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WASHINGTON--Rep. Luis Gutierrez (D-Ill.) is among the small group of members of Congress meeting with President Obama Thursday afternoon to discuss immigration reform. Don't get your hopes up if you are tracking the issue. The meeting is happening, Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel (D-Ill.) said Thursday morning at a Christian Science Monitor breakfast, because "the votes aren't there."

Rahm's management rule: When you have the votes, you don't need a meeting.

THE WHITE HOUSE
Office of the Press Secretary
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FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
June 25, 2009

BACKGROUND ON MEETING WITH MEMBERS OF CONGRESS TO DISCUSS IMMIGRATION REFORM:

The President and the Vice President will meet with a small group of Senate and House members from both sides of the aisle and both sides of the issue to discuss immigration reform in the State Dining Room at 2:00 PM today. The meeting is intended to launch a policy conversation by having an honest discussion about the issues and identifying areas of agreement and areas where we still have work to do, with the hope of beginning the debate in earnest later this year. There will be a pool spray at the bottom of the meeting.

Below is a list of expected attendees at today's meeting on immigration reform:

ADMINISTRATION OFFICIALS:
Secretary of Homeland Security Janet Napolitano
Secretary of Labor Hilda Solis
Deputy Attorney General David Ogden
Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel

MEMBERS OF CONGRESS:
Senator Richard Durbin
Senator John Cornyn
Senator Dianne Feinstein
Senator Lindsey Graham
Senator Jon Kyl
Senator Patrick Leahy
Senator Mel Martinez
Senator John McCain
Senator Robert Menendez
Senator Chuck Schumer
Senator Jeff Sessions
Senator Arlen Specter
Representative Xavier Becerra
Representative Howard Berman
Representative Anh Cao
Representative James Clyburn
Representative John Conyers
Representative Joe Crowley
Representative Lincoln Diaz Balart
Representative Gabrielle Giffords
Representative Luis Gutierrez
Representative Sheila Jackson Lee
Representative Zoe Lofgren
Representative Adam Putnam
Representative Silvestre Reyes
Representative Loretta Sanchez
Representative Heath Shuler
Representative Lamar Smith
Representative Nydia Velazquez
Representative Anthony Weiner

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40 Comments

No excuses this time around. Obama must follow up on his promise and deliver a comprehensive immigration reform. It is disgusting that in the XXI century millions of hard-working immigrants have no rights, as they contribute to our economy, pay taxes, and want a chance at the American dream!
No human being is illegal. Racism always loses, and the GOP is digging its own grave if it sabotages the reform once again. They are on the losing side of demographics on this one! Did you hear that, Senator Jeff Sessions of Alabama?

supporting the immigration reform

Please bring out of the shadow all the
hard working people.

I'm against any amnesty for these illegals in our country. They should all be deported, just as we would if we went to their country the illegal way. I know at 40 people without jobs and as I drive around my city, all I see and hear are illegals working. Disgusting, totally can not see why the should have any legal rights. Heck, we barely have any as our government takes away more and more of our rights and freedoms.

Please call and overwhelm the White House switchboards with a "no to amnesty" message today:

Main line 202-456-1414
Leg Affairs: 202-456-2230

You will encounter busy signals. You will also have to follow instructions to get to a recording device or a real person. But please be persistent and be counted.

Make one of these talking points:

I'm calling about the amnesty meeting at the White House today. I oppose giving work permits and citizenship to illegal foreign workers.

When the President meets with Members of Congress about immigration reform today, I hope they talk about suspending most immigration and foreign worker programs during the current jobs depression.

If you want to make a second point, choose from one of these:

14 million Americans are looking for a job and can't find one. Don't stab them in the back by giving work permits to 8 million illegal aliens.

The two top principles of immigration reform should be: (1) take away the job magnet for illegal immigration by making E-Verify mandatory for all employers, and (2) greatly reduce the number of green cards given out each year.

What the country needs more than anything is LESS IMMIGRATION.
------------------------------------------I called yesterday and got through after a few busy signals. Persistance paid off. Please everyone, make those calls. Shut down the White House switchboard just like we shut down the Senate one in 2007.

I support the inmigration reform, there are 12 million people that need it!!!!

Felipe seems to think the immigration issue is a Dem vs Rep wedge issue. Wrong. It's a right vs wrong issue that we in California are paying dearly for. Both parties are tax payers and we both have the $26 billion price tag to make right. Whereas not all of this shortfall is the fault of illegals, their knowledge of how to play the system to get free medical, food stamps, welfare, children's aid, unemployment and social security has bankrupted a state that was too generous, too caring, and too sympatico.

Felipe's final dig at anyone who is fed up with the FREE for them and more taxes for us as a racist or better yet-A REPUBLICAN-are the same tired, silly and stupid excuses that got us in this mess to begin with. Hey FELIPE, we no longer care if most of you are here for a shot at the American Dream, I'd rather do my own yardwork and pay $1 more for lettuce so that there is an American Dream left to pursue.

Just because there aren't any votes NOW doesn't necessarily mean that there won't be votes when an actual bill is debated. Frankly, it is about time that President Obama and Congress take action. For all those that scream, "deport them all," how do you propose on doing that? By the way, who will pay for all of these arrests + detentions + deportations? That's right, the taxpayer.

What we need is PRACTICAL reform. Let's crack down on employers that hire illegals, because after all, if there are no jobs, then immigrants won't come.

But, we also need something to do with the illegals already here. They won't come out of the shadows if we scream "deport!" They need some assurances that through a RIGOROUS process, they can become legal residents (not citizens). Keep those who can benefit at a minimum: 15-20 years in the U.S., paid taxes, KNOW ENGLISH, assimilate to our culture.

I think we need a reform NOW!!! Many of these immigrants came here to make a better life for themeselves and their families. Ok here is my point: When I go to pick my son up from school and look at the children who have one parent or both parents who are immigrants, it makes me want to cry thinking what if their parent or parents do not come to pick them up because they were deported. This is not right and these children do not deserve to lose a parent. I do understand that if they did not come here through the legal ways then it is not rught, but what are we doing to these children by taking their parent away? First, they are put into the system, medicaid, depression for the child, failing in school. I am heartfelt that we need to pass immigration reform now to help these people and give them a path and to prevent children from losing a parent. Besides they do the work that is lower paying and do pay as much into the economy if not more (think about it:Wal-Mart) and they do pay taxes but they also can never get any of their Social Security back ever if they are here illegaly.

A immigration reform can help in several ways, #1: if one of the requirements could be $3000 as a fine each immigrant the government could get from it, = usd$36,000,000,000 approximately ,TWO: the government will know who is here and who is a criminal and should not be here, 3: all those immigrants will pay taxes which will enforce the economy in a long term, I'm sure there are and could be more immigrants giving their lives fighting in the war, filing the love that everyone like us file for this country for the opportunity of improve, I'm one of those “that would like to give the live on the army,.

Now please don't forget how was 50 years ago where the people of color had not rights, 40 years ago the people was having problems because they were no free to express their sexual rights!, we are here cleaning your streets, bringing and cultivating the orange juice that you drink in the morning at a chip price, have you think that an American person would not like do that for $5 dollars at hour,that mean it could be a little more expensive , but we do it with love no matter what hot is the weather, all to offers a better future at our Childs….


Ivan, foreign nationals who violate US law, by entering our country without permission are committing illegal acts, that is what the correct, legal term, illegal alien refers to. Alien refers to foreign national, as well you know.

You want to infer that they have some right to work? In their own country, they do, not in the US. You and those like you want to ignore American citizen's right to work in their home country, because you don't respect the rights of the US citizenry. Perhaps that is why your own country is a cess pit, because crooks like you are incapable of wrapping your mind around the concept of law.

I'm a liberal democrat, I am against amnesty, I want illegal aliens and their children (who even if born in the US, have Mexican and Latin American citizenship) rounded up, and deported, and I want a double layer security fence constructed along our southern border. I have no symapthy for them, and I will not only vote against any democrat who votes for amnesty, I will campaign against them. The British people just served up a collective beating to their corrupt Labour party elected officials, the American people need to do the same thing, and boot all democrat politicians out of office. We can't let the Brits show us up, we need to stand up and show that we remember the principles our nation was founded upon.

if u have love in your hard litil big u help dos poor people god blass for all us

Jason R. Firstly, we spend billions each year subsidizing the so called cheaper foreign labor, illegal aliens. It would be cheaper in the long run to round them up, put them on a naval vessel and drop them off way down the Mexican coast, and in the ports of the other countries they come from. That is what President Eisenhower did. It would save us money in the long run, because they are a bleeding drain on our society. They can work hard for better lives in their own countries. Better lives they would have already had, were they more interested in stealing the jobs of American citizens, thinking they'd get rich by underbidding wages, and then scamming welfare, food stamps, free health care, free housing through section 8. All they have done is tried to take the easy way out.

We do not have the jobs to support illegals, our own citizens are living in tent cities because they have been discriminated against and denied employment.

What's more, illegals haven't made prices cheaper, perhaps you are in denial, but when our farmers used legal migrant labor, through visas, they had to pay a higher wage to the migrant workers, and benefits, yet our food prices were lower and stable. Nor did we have disgusting diseases like e-coli or salmonella contamination in our food. In '06 farmers fired the legal migrants, and hired illegals, because they wanted to pay less, and force taxpayers to subsidize their illegal workers. We've been taken for a ride.

So no more tolerance for the illegals, their free ride is over, and the elected officials that try and perpetuate this fraud, their days in office are numbered.

What's more, do you know what amnesty would actually achieve? To the illegals reading this, take notes.. once you were amnestied, you would no longer be attractive to the corrupt employers that hire you, as they'd have to pay you the first world wages that they didn't want to pay citizens. They'd hire new illegals to take your place. Get it? You're only working to help corrupt employers, the US Chamber of Commerce and Business Roundtable destroy wage standards, workplace conditions, food, product and drug safety laws, all the things that made the US a decent country. Your greed and avarice, made you decide to hurt American citizens, instead of thinking about actually working to enact the same reforms in your home countries, will mean that not only will you turn the US into the same pit you turned your own countries into, but you will be trapped in the same conditions that you thought you were escaping and there won't be any subsidies for you here any more.

53% of Hispanic women under the age of 20 either are pregnant or have a child already. In Mexico politicians don't campaign when big soccer tournaments are on because no one will pay attention. I don't want that culture here. Mexico is the end result of that culture. That's what you get when you behave that way: Mexico. Here in the U.S. we now have many little Mexicos with the same problems. We can very easily deport all 12 to 20 million illegal immigrants living here. These people will never assimilate and have no interest in assimilating for the most part. They are not like the Irish or the Italians who already had a well-developed culture. acThis is different. If they civilize a bit maybe in a hundred years or so we can try this again but not now.

We have close to 30,000,000 law-abiding tax paying U.S. citizens, desperately unemployed. We have 20,000,000 Criminal Illegal Aliens working.

In 1986, our government gave Amnesty to 3,000,000 Illegal Aliens. We were promised then, it would never happen again. Well, here we are, with 20,000,000 Illegal Aliens demanding, we better bend to their will. When you reward bad criminal behavior, you get more bad criminal behavior. It never stops. Just look to Mexico. Their corrupt government looked the other way and let the Mexican Drug Cartel do whatever they wanted, now they have control. They even have control of all the drug trafficking, throughout 230 of our U.S. cities. Thanks to the acceptance of law breakers.

The Criminal Illegals have brought that lawless culture here. The first thing they do is break our laws and are still breaking our laws. What do you do? You glorify their crimes, against the law-abiding U.S. citizens. You are supporting criminals. How can you be proud of such an immoral criminal act?

We were promised, that they would start to Deport every illegal alien, after the 1986 Amnesty. Well, obviously they have not enforced any of our laws for the past 23 years, if we have 20,000,000 Illegal Aliens here.

U.S. citizens have been doing everything by the book, obeying our laws, for the past 23 years. What have 20,000,000 Illegal Aliens been doing? Pouring into our country, illegally. Working, illegally, with fraudulent or stolen documents. They are driving, illegally, without insurance. They have killed thousands of our citizens. A Houston police officer, was just murdered today by 4 Illegal Aliens. What do they get for all of their immoral criminal activity? A free pass, by our U.S. government.

The hatred and bigotry is towards law-abiding U.S. citizens.

This is the worst immoral criminal act, ever committed by our U.S. government officials, against the citizens of this once great country.

Once the 20,000,000 Criminal Illegal Aliens are made legal, they are all instantly eligible for welfare, food stamps, wic and all other freebies, paid by law-abiding U.S. citizens. Then, they get to apply for citizenship for all their family members they have in their homelands. Just say each Criminal Illegal has 3 family members. What is 3 times 20,000,000 Illegals? 60,000,000 very poor people in our country, over night.

California is bankrupt. Our nation is close to bankruptcy. We cannot even take care of our own. Our people have no where to run to better their lives. Our country is being turned into a third world country, right before our eyes.

Nothing, but severe civil unrest will come from this. Continue. Continue, with your slow destruction of this once great country.


This is not about race, it is not about civil rights, it is not about being empathetic or unempathetic to those less fortunate. This is about being a legal citizen, or being here legally within our borders. Those who have cheated American's immigration policy are here illegally and illegal is just that, illegal. One says, there is no such thing as an illegal person. Not true, and not true in every country on this earth.

This country has been invaded. It's obvious and I cannot imagine anyone who does not see the invasion every day. I can't imagine anyone who has not been touched by the illegals influence on our social programs and America overall. In many ways in addition to our terrible economic condition, we are a divided nation over the subject of illegal immigration. We see citizenship being given to those who would steal into our country in the night to deliver their children for the sole purpose of taking from the American citizens for self serving purposes.

As left wing journalists provide sob stories galore, I feel they are very prepared for their objectives in this country. They have LaRaza, legislators in our congress who, because of no other reason than race politics, support illegal activity. They have free legal, free health services, their children have free education free lunches at school, medicare for their children, section 8 housing and lets not forget our President still refuses, regardless of the need for jobs for Americican citizens to envoke E-Verify.

From my perspective, if I were not very patriotic to my country, I might be tempted to give up my citizenship just to get on this illegals bandwagon of freebies. For what? As the left wing media as a slobbering love affair with Obama, the same goes for the slobbering love affair that unions and corporations have for the cheap labor illegals agree to. Thus the slobbering love affair that our congress has for race politics.

No to any type of amnesty. When I hear "We cannot deport 12 million (don't we wish it were only 12 million?) illegals. Well my response is that if America cannot rid itself of 12 million criminals, I guess those who would invade armed and to do harm are likely listening and just doing the math. We look weak and inadeqate that we cannot control agriculture and service oriented people who are here illegally so I guess it is now known that we would not be able to defend ourselves against those who would do us harm.

No no no no. Obama is pushing his luck with voters if he feels the slobbering love affair he has enjoyed with the media, regardless of his ineffective policies, and his popularity honeymoon with voters will continue if he continues with his plans to give this country away. No to Obama importing his next wave of impoverish voters so he can "spread the wealth around." No No No.

Pres. obama, you said,

"We are a nation of laws and a nation of immigrants..."

Then ENFORCE THE LAWS, obama!

The American people DO NOT want AMNESTY for 20 million ILLEGAL ALIENS!!!

Send these 20 million ILLEGAL ALIENS back to their own country where they belong and let them apply to come here LEGALLY like the millions of others who are waiting to come here LEGALLY. Then they will be welcomed with open arms.

ENFORCE THE LAW! NO AMNESTY! I repeat. ENFORCE THE LAW! NO AMNESTY! Must I say it again? OK. ENFORCE THE LAW! NO AMNESTY!

Then there is they are all God,s children argument.

Isn't everyone God,s children? If so, then guess the open borders crowd are saying everyone and anyone has the right to Invade this Nation, waving their flags, demand their rights, while feasting at the trough of public welfare and Kill, Rape and Rob thousands of American citizens each year! There are 100,s of millions probably billions from India, China, Africa, etc. that would like to immigrate to the USA. If it ok for Latinos to pour across our borders then unless the open borders crowd are racist it should be ok for any and all of the world people no matter their Education, Religion, Race, Criminal convictions, Diseases, or Terrorist ties to invade this nation & be rewarded with American citizenship!

There's the "the U.S. stole the southwest" argument.

Well, the land in dispute was "owned" by Spain for a couple of centuries. Then by Mexico for about 25 years. During these periods, there weren't more than a few thousand Spaniards or Mexicans in the entire territory. It's been owned by the U.S. for about 160 years now, much longer than Mexico's reign. And the U.S. has actually done something with the land, made it habitable for tens of millions. The difference between American and Mexican "twin cities" straddling the border is like night and day, yet the land is obviously the same. It's not the dirt that's important, it's the people. Put another way, if culture didn't matter, Mexico and Central America would be paradise.

There's the "lettuce" argument

We'll be paying $50/head if we don't have illegal aliens working in the fields. As Phil Martin, ag economist at UC Davis shows, the field labor cost in a $1 head of lettuce is about 6 cents. Triple those wages and Americans will do the jobs. (They're not career positions. They're seasonal jobs for young people, starting in the world of work. I have did similarly menial jobs.) And you'll be paying 10% more for lettuce and other produce. Do you spend $1,000/year on produce? OK, you'll pay $100 more.

The lettuce argument also parallels that for the retention of slavery.

Immigrant Argument!

There's the "everyone's an immigrant except for the 'Native Americans'" argument. Well, the American Indians didn't sprout from the land, they came across the Bering land bridge from Asia. So if the criterion is "You're an immigrant if you had an ancestor who immigrated here," then American Indians are immigrants, too.

In that case, "immigrant" is no longer a useful word, since Everyone's an immigrant.

Illegal pay taxes Argument!

There's the "illegal aliens pay tons of taxes" argument. Sure, they all pay real estate taxes (in rent) and sales taxes (most states). Those working on the books (typically using stolen Social Security numbers) pay FICA and, perhaps, income taxes. But they're mostly ill-educated and low-skilled and pay very low taxes connected to their working -- in fact, most claim the Earned Income Tax Credit, i.e. negative income tax! If a family with both parents working has two kids in school, that's at least $15k/year just for schooling, way more than the taxes on, say, $35k/year aggregate income.

Robert Rector at the Heritage Foundation has done the systematic accounting on all this. A typical household headed by a low-skilled illegal alien is a net drain of about $20k/year for the rest of us, year after year. (Low-skilled Americans are a similar burden, but they're part of the national family, not gate crashers from other societies.)

Illegal Bad..Amnesty good Argument!

There's the "illegal immigration is bad, but make them citizens and problem solved" argument. Nope. If that were the case, legalizing (i.e. amnestying) the illegal aliens would solve the problem. But they'd still be (on average) low-skilled workers whose burden on the rest of us would continue. In fact, once legal they'd be able to access more public benefits programs, so their cost to the rest of us would actually rise substantially. In addition to bringing in their relatives under chain immigration in a never ending chain! In short, all of the problems of mass illegal immigration are shared & increased by mass amnestying them.

Then there is the straw man Argument this Nation cannot afford to deport 12 million people!

Never noting if our Politicians had abide by our Constitution and enforced our Laws there would not be 12 millions to deport. Even worse, there is not 12 million but between 20 and 30 million but the government prefers to lie and down play the number! ( Same as the 1986 Amnesty was more than double the government estimate, so will this one be) At any rate deportation would save billions in the long run over what they will cost this Nation in welfare in the coming years. Every person with less that a high school education cost a average of 55 thousand over their life time, so apply that times the 12 million plus all their relatives & their relatives in a never ending chain & deportation would be a great bargain and save billions if not trillions in the coming years! But deportations is not necessary, just close our borders and enforcing our Laws with E-Verify. Fine companies, imprison executives and cut out the welfare they will self deport. No jobs, No Welfare equals no Illegal Aliens!

The flood of immigrants drives wages and living conditions in our central cities toward those of the Third World & has already destroyed Calif..

This tidal wave imposes sprawl, gridlock, pollution, and environmental damage on our metropolitan areas & Nation.

Immigrant families needing services overwhelm our schools, taxpayer-funded health care facilities, and other public agencies.

Those requiring services don’t assimilate and, instead, expect to be served in their native languages.

American civic culture frays as each ethnic group establishes its own grievance lobby and pushes for preferences.

Communicable diseases such as tuberculosis (new, drug-resistant strains) return & New diseases like Mexican Swine flu break out!

Shortages of water and other resources loom, especially in immigration-blitzed Southwest.

Most that come across our open borders come from countries where, Crime, Corruption, Poverty, Misery, Anti-education, and hate for Americans has existed for centuries and is normal. Should anyone be surprised they bring those same family values across the border with them?

Our Politicians keep telling us our Immigration laws are broken and we need an comprehensive solution, which are code words for Amnesty, our Immigration Laws are not broken, they just have not been enforced, what is broken is our Political system when we elect Corrupt/Pandering/Lawless politicians that puts Party, Lobbyist, & Self interest ahead of the Constitution of USA and the Rule of Law!

Our government fails the most basic and primary task & duty of government, to protect this Nation and its Citizens from invasion and enforce its laws.

They refuse to abide by our Constitution, refuse to enforce our Immigration Laws and refuse to honor their Oath of Office!

Our Government, past & present, Republican & Democrat, have allowed the invasion of 20 to 30 million criminals and uneducated peons which is the largest invasion of any Nation, at any time, by any means & in direct violation of Article IV, Section IV of our Constitution.

This refusal to abide by our Constitution or enforce our Immigration Laws should be classified as Treason of the most foul kind, & as grounds for impeachment & trials for Treason!

Not only have they allowed the invasion, they force American tax payers to pay Billions on Billions of dollars to provide Welfare, Prison cells, Educate the invaders numerous children, and free medical care, at the same time the invading horde break numerous laws and massive document fraud, & are destroying our schools, hospitals, communities, culture and standard of living while Robbing, Raping, Killing & Assaulting American Citizens at an rate the terrorist can only dream about.

Recent statements in Mexico from both President Obama and Secretary of State Hillary something needs to be done. "Our inability to prevent weapons from being illegally smuggled across the border to arm these criminals causes the deaths of police officers, soldiers, and civilians," she said.

But no mention, concern or care that their refusal to stop the Massive Invasion of Illegal Aliens pouring across our borders or enforce our immigration laws that causes an estimated 25 Americans deaths per day and 10,s of thousands victims of Assault, Robberies, Rapes, Identify thief, and other assorted crimes committed by the invading horde of Illegal Aliens from Mexico on American citizens each year!

It is a telling indictment & shows their Empathy & Compassion of our Politicians & their priorities when they express 100,s of time more concern over three Terrorist being water broader than the havoc & crimes of Illegal Aliens against American Citizens!

Most of our Politicians in Wash. DC are wading knee deep in innocent American blood and suffering because they put Self Interest ahead of the interest of American Citizens & the future of this Nation!

The Welfare vote for the Democrats to further their Socialist Agenda and the Slave Labor for their Pay Masters in the Chamber of Commerce & Business for the Republicans is more important to our Corrupt power mad Politicians than the lives and safety of Americans citizens!

The Citizens of this Nation have not sacrificed with blood, sweat & tears for over 200 years & obeyed the Laws of the land, paid the taxes, and fought the wars & built this Nation to see Corrupt politicians turn this Nation into the United States of Mexico without a shot being fired, to serve their demented, nefarious goals and lust for power!

California the Golden state, American future, is fast becoming the poster child for an bankrupt third world State!

An unholy alliance of Socialist Democrat politicians, Unions, and Illegal Aliens supporters are feasting at the trough of tax payers paid benefits while taxing & regulating business and the tax paying public into poverty.

The pandering of Left Wing Democrat Politicians to their constituency of Illegal Aliens, open border supporters, and unions are driving business and citizens to other states & countries, while leaving the parasites & welfare leeches in an increasing bankrupt, crime ridden, dysfunctional state!

For years California has ignored economics 101 and imported poverty, Criminals and uneducated Peons from Mexico, which increased Medical, Welfare, Crime, Prison, etc. & adding a estimated 16 billion per year to Calif. State expense to provide for the invading horde of Illegal Aliens while exporting business and educated tax payers.

Like all Socialist & Marxist States the results have been a astronomical increase in social welfare, schooling, prison cost etc. and a lowing of Living standards, Education standards, Tax receipts & finally Bankruptcy.

Failure to abide by our Constitution against invasion & enforce our Immigration laws and constraints on wages and benefits for public employees will result in turning the Golden State into MexiCalif and the end of the California dream!

The policies of Obama and Wash. DC Democrats are intent on following Calif. policies and are resulting in the same creeping socialist process across American.

Amnesty & Citizenship as a reward for their invasion of the USA, will result in the rest of the USA turned into a Spanish speaking third world cesspool, modeled on Mexico and follow California into a polluted, over populated, Spanish speaking third world Nation of Crime, Corruption, Poverty, Cruelly & Misery!

This will result in a population depending on Welfare and the Democrat party, thus assuring the lock on power for the Socialist Democrat party of the United States of Mexico!

these folk should go where they came from and develop there own society. what's wrong with that?

Every American, green card and working visa holder has a decision to make in the coming months? You can turn away and leave the rest of us to fight over the illegal immigration battle, or you can do your share? Simply put if you don't mind the continuous AMNESTIES, that as a taxpayers the Status Quo in Washington keep taking your money for, thus supporting the Illegal alien occupancy of our nation. Or you can draw that line in the sand and say enough is enough! This simply means you as a voter can instruct your representative to do your bidding? Not the opposite way? If millions of us contact these politicians they would not be to keen, pushing for this AMNESTY. Specifically knowing that Robert Rector of the Heritage Foundation, an astute and well known analyst has conceived that this AMNESTY, would cost taxpayers 2.6 trillion dollars to implement on enactment.

The person in the street who investigates the government statistics, think tank facts and a whole serious of data not corrupted by the open border, free traders and other delusional organizations. We all must come to realize that we have been programmed by our government to believe everything they print or say? Just like the 11 million number, which has probably doubled in the last seven years. They really have no conception of the number remaining here? Rational individual, should make his own mind-up of what to do? We can do absolutely nothing and let the unscrupulous leaders in Congress, tread us into the mud and leave us to scrap over this illegal alien crisis. Sen. Charles Schumer, D-N.Y., the chairman of the Senate Judiciary subcommittee on immigration, has already using his influence to deny American workers jobs, by trying to slay E-Verify as Sen. Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi--ALL PRO ILLEGAL ALIEN REPRESENTATIVES.

No! its not perfect, but it is being continuously modified? NO! its not without mistakes, because that why you go to the Social Security office to straighten things out. Every immigration law that comes the publics way is annulled, because the majority of lawmakers are in this together. Paying just lip service to their own constituents and offering only unimportant distractions that don't effect the voters wallet. Of all issues that resonate illegal immigration must be considered to be the master, because it effects our very future. Perhaps even more than the money forcibly extracted to pay for the illegal alien welfare is OVERPOPULATION. Your voice is needed in Washington, to seal the border, cut off all support and jobs to every illegal immigrant who violated the rule of law, by crossing into a sovereign AMERICA

E-Verify should be the demand to every politician, that as a permanent addition to all enforcement. Not one employee should be exempt from a full examination of their legal status who exists on a payroll. It's no doubt in my mind hundreds of thousands, perhaps many millions have remained hidden within the employer rolls of any business, taking existing jobs of many Americans? Perhaps Washington is so apprehensive that for years they have remained intentionally ignorant of how many illegal foreign workers have taken US worker jobs from janitor, warehouse manager, engineer to computer programmer?

Don't anybody tell you that illegal immigrants are good for the economy? For businesses who harbor the cheap labor and make huge profits a guaranteed--YES! But certainly not for the US taxpayer, who supports the illegal worker? Summoning up the tax situation the Heritage foundation after complex analysis for 2004, conveys "that for low-skill immigrant households paid only $10,573 in taxes. Thus, low-skill immigrant households received nearly three dollars in immediate benefits and services for each dollar in taxes paid. The federal government operates over 60 means-tested aid programs. The largest of these are Medicaid; the Earned Income Tax Credit (EITC); food stamps; Supplemental Security Income (SSI); Section 8 housing; public housing; Temporary Assistance to Needy Families (TANF); the school lunch and breakfast programs; the WIC (Women, Infants, and Children) nutrition program; and the Social Services Block Grant (SSBG).

Many means-tested programs, such as SSI and the EITC, provide cash to recipients. Others, such as public housing or SSBG, pay for ser­vices that are provided to recipients." Another fallacy is that illegal immigrants cannot apply for any federal benefits, but even those programs have been abused with fraudulent documents.

Then their is the classic illegal female who slips past the undermanned border patrols, pregnant with child under the current misguided law, becomes an instant burden on the US taxpayer. Quoted as, " Illegal immigrant households do contain some 3 million children who were born inside the U.S. to illegal immigrant parents. These children are U.S. citizens and are eligible for, and do receive, means-tested welfare of every category." Assuming all Americans, even liberals and so called progressives want to know more, they should venture to the non-profit organization The Heritage Foundation under the headline, "
The Fiscal Cost of Low-Skill Immigrants to the U.S. Taxpayer by Robert E. Rector and Christine Kim Verify the extraction tool from the workplace of foreign labor and the 8th Amnesty is enacted against the peoples wishes, the next irreversible ultimate problem is OVERPOPULATION. Another headline that must interest the avid reader from the same source AMNESTY WILL COST US TAXPAYERS $2.6 TRILLION DOLLARS. The only outcome of this massive AMNESTY would be irreversible OVERPOPULATION. Steve Reiss, points a disturbing fact, not disclosed by our government. If the current immigration bill being debated by congress passes it will be the 8th AMNESTY in 21 years. NUMBERSUSA has answers.

MAYBE THE ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT INVASION DOESN'T GET YOU ON THE PHONE. BUT A FUTURE OF OVERPOPULATION SHOULD?

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If all the billions of poor people in the world are Gods
children then why doesn't God take care of them.
Does god enjoy having 800 million malnourished people in the world and 10 million starve to death every year.
What kind of a father is this God?

How to end immigration to the U.S
Just increase the number of legal immigrants from 2 million
to 25 million a year and in about 30 years the U.S population will be over a billion and the health care
system will be bankrupt from third world immigrants using
the "free" health care system and nobody will want to immigrate to the U.S.

One claim of pro illegal is that immigrants in the past
have invented many things and made major scientific discoveries. Those immigrant were mainly europeans.
If you research the history of science, mathmatics, and invention for the last 2 to 3 thousand years most all
advance came from white people . Cars, trains, airplanes,
steam engines, gas engines, jet engines, refrigeration,
vacuum tubes, transistors, radio, television, computers,
sewing machines, internet......most anything you can think was invented by europeans/americans or europeans.
Thomas Edison had 1093 patents. All inventions by mexicans
aren't one tenth of that. Edisons company General Electric
has also produced over 50000 patents.

Anyone who entered the country illegally has no right to expect a path to citizenship. Even if millions can not be found and deported, they have no right to expect legalization or a path to citizenship. Any hardships they are suffering is their own responsibility.

Legalizing millions is unfair to those who follow the law, and subjects us all to huge future social and environmental costs.

So any comprehensive immigration change should uphold current laws to stop illegal entry and not reward illegal entrants.

Everyone deserves to have a better life and just like Ivan says No human being is illegal. Racism always loses. I pray everyday that Obama is able to help all these families in need, including mine because I am American and DH is from another country and we have 3 wonderful children that was born here, so why is it ok to take him away from us just because he came here illigally. Who cares if the people enter Illigally, they are still human and deserve to make a better life for themselfs and their families. People are saying all the time that immigrants take away the jobs, but its not their fault that they are so hard working.

Americans are picked secound to work in America .We are out of work and they are working .Another country is harvesting of our America finacial network farm .while Americans are forced to suffer while the system ties our hands from its not them its the system .The American systems favors the greedy

I think the immigration issue is thus: On the door, it says, 'give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses', so forth, and so on. That was in the way-back, when the United States was still kind of just a sparkle in people's eyes. The American Dream.

Well, fast-forward to 2009, through 2.875 world wars, world population boom, and all kinds of crazy politics. These days, it's starting to get kind of Lebensraum-y out there, people definitely subscribing to the IGMFY school of thought, philosophy, and business, oh, and we're in a big recession that they say has bottomed out, but still seems to be taking on water at a pretty good clip, globally. There's almost 7 billion people walking around out there. A lot of them don't have a whole lot, and they see the United States as the perennial solution to their problems, the perpetual money machine that will Make It All better, the benevolent power from Upon High with seemingly unlimited resources. Keyword, there, seemingly. Truth of the matter is, the reason that the unemployment rate is climbing is because we're out of a lot of things, and in a lot of hot water, financially. And, the future doesn't look so bright and shiny, at the moment.

Among other things, the United States is now supposed to play global police force, The Mother Of All Nanny-states, and remain the shining city on the hill and all that jazz. Everyone wants to hold trade with our country, which now averages the same amount of household debt per capita that we used to average in wages. Companies and corporations are jumping ship to get away from the tax burden that's been stacked up, others just going out of business, banks failing, in other words, the Big Game has gone bust, and they're probably going to find a lot more Bernie Madoffs. So, immigration? I think we'll see exodus. Mexico will probably finish that border fence for us. And, would that be so bad, Mexicans working in Mexico, to fix Mexico's problems, Americans working in the United States, to fix American problems? I don't think so, because we've skipped pretty far along the yellow brick road to globanizationals, hand-in-hand with big-time speculators who really don't think about consequences very hard, and the end result has been kind of deleterious for all involved. And, of course, wouldn't you know it, the federal government is supposed to fix all 'bads' now, cover all bets and bases, and even supply cookies. Kinda makes you wonder who's minding the store, there, and what they might have been smoking, because you'd have to be pretty stoned to trade away your states'/countrys' economic stability and sustainability for a cut-rate job on your lawn, policy-wise.

I think we're in for a decade of hard times, maybe longer. I think some people are going to have to sober up, straighten up, and get used to taking care of things themselves again, something that may be utterly foreign in some circles, but no big adjustment for others. We've got culture wars, class wars, business wars, and other hobbies that are due to be retired, and folks are going to have to ponder the future more carefully, because this century promises to have even more bad news in store, and that's the kind of stuff that's best handled by people with both feet on the ground and a well-developed concept of what it'll take to make it to the end of it without some kind of major catastrophe annulling a lot of people's future plans, hopes, and even dreams. So, get a dollar cup of black coffee, no cream or sugar, and start reading...

When are illegals going to get the message that most Americans don’t want them here? Their arrogance and sense of entitlement staggers the imagination. As constituents, we want our representatives to confront the illegal immigration issue firmly and swiftly. No more free ride for illegals. End birthright citizenship, end mandatory free K-12 education for illegals, require E-Verify, implement 287(g) across all local police departments, end all public services and benefits and stop the abuse of emergency room services. EMTALA was never designed to give illegals free health care. The hospital’s only obligation by law is to stabilize the patient in an emergency situation. They should not be operating as free clinics and general practitioners!

We also shouldn’t be wasting our court’s time with ridiculous immigration hearings at the taxpayers expense. If you cannot furnish proof that you are here legally, you should be be on the first bus, boat or plane back to your own country.

Our ancestors came here when it wasn't "their" land. They integrated and contributed positively. Their sons and daughters somewhere along the way forgot the story of being new and different, the hardships of adapting and also working hard to make ends meet. We, their descendants, are here only by chance and good fortune. We cannot judge others' desire to seek a better life, especially since we're here as a result of that same drive. Let's also remember that the reasons many people immigrate to this country are closely tied to damaging foreign policies that have made huge gaps between rich and poor. These gaps exist unjustly here in our own country too, but poverty in other countries is nothing compared to what we have here. And until you have experienced that level of poverty, how can you judge someone else seeking to escape it? How can you criminalize someone for seeking a better life? At the end of the day, that's what we are all talking about: how can I make my own life better? That's what every hard working immigrant is asking, and that's what all those opposed to their entrance are also asking. It's a false illusion, however, that in making space (which exists) for 12 million undocumented people, we are somehow curtailing US citizens' opportunities. There is no proven correlation between immigrants in a community and job losses. What WILL help our economy, though, is people who can shop and work freely and, quite simply, live their lives, without fear. We know that the economic crisis has a lot to do with psychology. When a whole segment of a country's population lives in fear, is targeted and discriminated against, the repercussions can only be negative all around. But with confidence comes a greater desire to work, go to school, improve oneself, consume and produce, all things that would boost the economy. Immigrants are part and parcel of America. They always have been, and they always will be. When current laws are not in line with the realities of a globalized world (wherein corporations, industries, information and money cross borders with little restriction), then we need to change the laws. We are lucky to live in a democracy where we can actually have a say in changing laws. Most importantly, JUST BECAUSE IT'S LAW DOESN'T MEAN IT'S RIGHT. Examples of this are countless throughout history. I'm encouraged, too, that history has tended toward rectifying injustices. Whether now, or (hopefully not!) later, we will do right by all the people who come here seeking a better life.

Immigration issue is something negative/possitve-the simple solution for that problem is.
1. Those who are anit-immigration reform are literally helping illegal alien not to pay taxe's. stay in the shadow, not to report crime as :-murder/burglary/accident/robbery/kidnapping/extortion/childabuse/terror. which are happening frequently to citizens of america. some people I'd been through the above inncident. cops know better who saved there life. never underestimate the crime. If you are your partner/ brother/sister/mom/fathrer comes across above tragedy are become a victim then you will definetly support illegal alien right to become legal & support the community
2. Some politicians says immigration laws are broken Its a reality and truth. because whole latin community/asians/europeons etc. comming here from the crossing border/over staying. and becomes illegal. At first the border & law enforcement failed to take an action Its is tooooo late to know. Its immpossible to arrest/deport every one, nobody has a time this is america the only solution left is legalization of all illegal aliens collecting big fines that's only answer.
3. some conservative people say illegal are stealing jobs Its a myth.
being a graduate do you willing to work in farmhouse/meat packing plant/construction/housekeeping/gas station for ever Don't fool yourself.
I don't wanna hurt any ones feeling, Its reality that america needs to fix this problem as early as possible.

In this issue, the people ***for*** the illegal aliens and amnesty with carry forward to citizenship number, are among others, the Mexican Government, La Raza who recieves heavy support from the Ford Foundation, Ford Motor who wants open borders, all of the other Hispanic Lobby Groups, these foundations,
http://bonner.wordpress.com/la-raza-supporters/, most if not all, the leadership of Congress, the Immigrant Lawyer of America, the United States Chamber of Commerce (not the American Chamber by the way) two cabinet members, and most of big business.

Since 1987 the American People have been polled hundreds of times.. and you can read some of those polls online, and they have asked the Federal Government to
1. Deport the illegal aliens
2. Turn the immigration rate way down.

The people against the illegal alines and the 2.6 trillion dollar amnesty are the American People, and the American Foreign Legion.

I don't give a hoot what business wants, the American People had better win!

The Government is the Government of the People of the United States. NOBODY can obligate this government to anything the people don't want. I admit they are doing exactly that left and right, but if this President wants the people of this country, he better do exactly what the people of this country has asked the country to do since 1987:

1. Deport the illegal aliens.

2. Turn the immigration rate way down.

Our government fails the most basic and primary task & duty of government, to protect this Nation and its Citizens from invasion and enforce its laws.

They refuse to abide by our Constitution, refuse to enforce our Immigration Laws and refuse to honor their Oath of Office!

Our Government, past & present, Republican & Democrat, have allowed the invasion of 20 to 30 million criminals and uneducated peons which is the largest invasion of any Nation, at any time, by any means & in direct violation of Article IV, Section IV of our Constitution.

This refusal to abide by our Constitution or enforce our Immigration Laws should be classified as Treason of the most foul kind, & as grounds for impeachment & trials for Treason!

Not only have they allowed the invasion, they force American tax payers to pay Billions on Billions of dollars to provide Welfare, Prison cells, Educate the invaders numerous children, and free medical care, at the same time the invading horde break numerous laws and massive document fraud, & are destroying our schools, hospitals, communities, culture and standard of living while Robbing, Raping, Killing & Assaulting American Citizens at an rate the terrorist can only dream about.

Recent statements in Mexico from both President Obama and Secretary of State Hillary something needs to be done. "Our inability to prevent weapons from being illegally smuggled across the border to arm these criminals causes the deaths of police officers, soldiers, and civilians," she said.

But no mention, concern or care that their refusal to stop the Massive Invasion of Illegal Aliens pouring across our borders or enforce our immigration laws that causes an estimated 25 Americans deaths per day and 10,s of thousands victims of Assault, Robberies, Rapes, Identify thief, and other assorted crimes committed by the invading horde of Illegal Aliens from Mexico on American citizens each year!

It is a telling indictment & shows their Empathy & Compassion of our Politicians & their priorities when they express more concern over Mexicans mostly connected to the Drug trade than the murders, havoc & crimes of Illegal Aliens against American Citizens!

Most of our Politicians in Wash. DC are wading knee deep in innocent American blood and suffering because they put Self Interest ahead of the interest of American Citizens & the future of this Nation!

The Welfare vote for the Democrats to further their Socialist Agenda and the Slave Labor for their Pay Masters in the Chamber of Commerce & Business for the Republicans is more important to our Corrupt power mad Politicians than the lives and safety of Americans citizens!

The Citizens of this Nation have not sacrificed with blood, sweat & tears for over 200 years & obeyed the Laws of the land, paid the taxes, and fought the wars & built this Nation to see Corrupt politicians turn this Nation into the United States of Mexico without a shot being fired, to serve their demented, nefarious goals and lust for power!

We will do all we can to stop any type of amnesty or pathway to citizenship. People want to come our nation, fine. Follow the rules like all of the legal immigrants do and get in line. visit www.alipac.us Americans for Legal Immigration PAC (ALIPAC)

I wonder what the native americans have to say about all these guys against illegal immigrants, most probably, they would want these same people to make themselves scarce from the USA which rightfully belongs to the native americans.

PLEASE READ MY PLEA:

My husband has been ban from entering the USA for 10 years. He entered without inspection when he was 14 yrs old. He is now currently in Mexico. I am an American Citizen. This is not right. This is not fair. My husband and I are law abiding tax paying individuals. We have 3 children. Adriana 14, Gabriel 9, and Miguel 5. Why should my children be apart from their father? Something needs to be done. Can you imagine your 5 yr old asking where his father is? (On a daily basis)Can you imagine the trama this is causing my children? You can't, because it has not happened to you. And for those who say "I another country we are illegal also", it's not true. We as Americans can go to any part of the world. We need immigration reform NOW!! I want my husband back!! My children want their father back!!! PLEASE.

to everybody who is against the inmigration reform;
THE IMMIGRANTS AREN'T ALIENS, THE OWNERS OF THIS COUNTRY ARE THE INDIANS, THE FIRST AMERICANS... THE IMMIGRANTS HELP THE ECONOMY, PAY TAXES AND MAKE THE US THIS WONDERFUL COUNTRY AS WE KNOW NOW... I LOVE US, LOVE THE AMERICAN PEOPLE AND I WANT STAY HERE,
IMMIGRATION REFORM NOW

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