Sweet column: Hillary jabs Barack over his Iraq dig. Barack won't back down.

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PORTSMOUTH, N.H. -- Hillary Clinton's campaign jabbed chief 2008 White House rival Barack Obama on Tuesday, accusing him of misstating her position favoring a phased redeployment of U.S. troops in Iraq.


"We are not going to allow Sen. Clinton's positions to be misrepresented," said Clinton spokesman Howard Wolfson as the campaign produced a memo providing seven public statements or votes the New York senator has made in favor of phasing in plans to draw down troop levels.

The Obama campaign did not back down.
The Democratic primary campaign is starting early and heating up as Obama and Clinton seek to define themselves and quickly push back. Obama said at a Sunday press conference in Iowa that he will have his campaign "know" the records of his rivals "so we can compare and contrast."

At issue is Clinton's strong retort to a statement Obama made to reporters while he was campaigning on Monday in New Hampshire.

Iraq is the defining issue at this opening stage of the 2008 presidential campaign and Clinton has had to defend the vote she made authorizing the war. Five of the eight senators running for president are proposing measures to use the authority of Congress to curb President Bush's ability to send more soldiers to Iraq.

Obama was asked if there was a "substantial difference" between his current approach to Iraq and Clinton's current approach on Iraq.

"I think the difference is -- and now again, I don't want to speak for her or her bill -- my understanding is that she calls for a cap on troop levels but does not begin a phased redeployment," Obama said.

"And so that's a pretty substantial difference. I think there's consensus among most Democrats that we shouldn't put more troops in, but I think where the American people are at and what I think good strategy dictates is that we begin the process of redeploying our troops."


On Tuesday, the Clinton campaign aggressively came back with a memo headlined "Fact check: Hillary has long supported phased redeployment."
On Jan. 17, at a press conference in the Senate radio-TV gallery, Clinton said, "We should be beginning a phased redeployment of U.S. troops as a way to put pressure on the Iraqi government to take responsibility for its own security and future," she said.

Obama spokesman Bill Burton said, "Only Barack Obama opposed the war in Iraq from the start and only Barack Obama has legislation that would, by force of law, begin a redeployment by May 1, 2007, and have all combat forces out of Iraq by March 31, 2008."

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Wow! And it's so early.
There's a difference between what Hillary said which was "We should be beginning a phased..." and what she could have said, namely, "We should begin a phased..."
Obama's position includes specific dates which is far more definitive than Hillary's position.
Stay tuned.

Of all people, Hilary Clinton should know that talk without legislation is worthless. If it weren't every American would have health care.

-- SCAM

Obama is toast. If he thinks the vote he couldn't have cast anyway is going to get him into the Whitehouse, he has a huge surprise ahead of him. Check his voting record in the Senate. Check it carefully.

I find it very disappointing the Hillary Clinton is flip flopping or flat out lying to the American people about her intention and vote on authorizing the Iraq war. A war that has cost thousands of American lives and still climbing. In addition to the hundred of thousands of Iraqi lives. What's more disappointing is the press and media outlets. They have when without reporting the information thats been public, that I am about to reveal to you, so the American people can know the truth. After Clinton voted for the war authorization and her statements on the Senate floor, she met with a group called Code Pink in march of 2003. I believe this meeting to place weeks before the war began. Here is where she reveals what here true intentions of the war and why she voted for the war. The war that she now denies and tells the American people something different. Her comments reported by By JOHN DISTASO
Senior Political Reporter of www.UnionLeader.com, shows what we can expect from a Hillary Clinton's Presidency and Administrationn. Lies,deceit, and dishonest. You can view the full article at

www.ulweb1.unionleader.com/article.aspx?headline=Hillary%3a+I+didn%27t+vote+for+war&articleId=f188127c-d8a3-4c2e-b089-7a0dbf1c2880

Even if she made a mistake in voting for the war, she does not have enough respect, dignity, courage, to come clean to the very people who have been supporting her. The American People! I know this is not what I want in a leader? Is this what we want in a President or should a I say Representive of the United States to the world? I feel betrayed as do 2/3 of the nation does when it comes to Iraq. And when it& ;nbs p;come to Hillary Clinton denial and flip flopping to the American people. She stated that she followed the issues on Iraq more than a decade prior to her vote... A DECADE AGO!!! And she still got it wrong when it came to Iraq. Or should I say when it came to thousands American lives that is now lost and bog down in the middle of another country civil war. She stated " I ended up voting for the resolution after carefully reviewing the information and intelingence I had available, talking with peoples opinions I trusted, trying to discount political and other factors, that I didn't believe in any way should be apart of this decision" After she stated it was not her preference to go to war, on a war she voted for, she was than challenge by the group spokes women for Code Pink. She went on the defensive and contradicteded and/or lied about it wasn't her preference, and thats when she began to really show she is misleading. she began by stating, " wit h res pect to whos responsibility it is to disarm Saddam Heissan, I... I just do not believe given the attitudes of many people in the world community today, there would be a willingness to take on very difficult problems, if it was not for the United Sates. And I am talking about specifically what had to be done in Bosnia and Kosavo. Where my husband could not get a security council resolution to save the Kosavain albanian from ethnic cleansing. And we did it alone as the United States! We had to do it alone! It would have been far preferable if the Russian and other had agree to do it through the United Nations. They would not! I'm happy that we did act. So, I see it some what differently, so forgive for my experience and perspective." and then she change the subject to economic policys from the Bush Administration. Then she had the very group that was opposing her decision on Iraq, support her by clapping for her as she attacked bush. Sound familiar right ! Its what she does to day to day as she go around the country campaigning. She only gains support from attacking bush and then the American people get distracted from the truth. This is her tatic she uses tp get people to support her... it goes back to people supporting the less of two evils. thats why she diverts the attention on Bush. This is the only thing that drives heecampaign and distracts the people from the truth about her. She asked the group to forgive her for her experiencene and perspective, the same experience and perspective that have us still in Iraq 4 years later. And she goes around the country campaigningn heavily on her EXPERIENCE and PERSPECTIVES!!! And we suppose to vote for her because she's experience. I think not! If this is what we get for he experience, she can keep it. Give me somebody who is not expierenced or is heavly influince by Washington politics. Give me somebody that is for the people and by the people. This is what the constuition that we vow to defend states.
So heres the real truth. If she wasn't in favor of the war why didnt she have the courage to stand up and vote against it? If she wanted to give the inspectors a chance, that she now proclaims that she wanted to do, why was she on the defensive in justifying the Clinton administration policy of going it alone in Kosavo and Bosnia? This is from her very own words... She sighted that her husband couldn'tnt get support from the United Nations. But then she lies and mislead us stating it was a vote to support weapons inspectors in 2003! What she said in 2003was, it was to DISARM SADDAM HIESSAN!!! Guess what American she was wrong!!! There was no weapons of mass destruction. But I'll tell you what there was, an opportunityty to destablize the whole region, send our sons and daughters to war, an enforce the will of the fat Washington bureaucrats on the wo rld. Fa t, as they get fatter off the wealth and now blood of the American people. She blames President Bush! Now let me say i am no republican. I am ndemocratat, and I am definetly not a supporter of Bush policys. I am a American! I'll tell you why she blames President Bush now to the American people because, it an opportunity for her to run from her responsibly on the war, and to lie her warmongering way back into the White House in 08. After she clearly stated in the meeting in 2003 defending her war vote, that she followed the issue more than a decade. This was prior to Bush Administration! Shes been saying it was the misleading Bush administration on intelligence, that she now blames for the war and her voting for it??? While in the same breath she saids she take responsibiltyty for it, and we stand up and applaude her. My God!!! If she wins and we give her the Presidents may God help us all... No I'll tell you why she voted for the war from her very own words, " I ended up voting for the resolution after carefully reviewing the information and inteligencece I had available, talking with peoples opinion I trusted, trying to discount political and other factors" Do you think the peoples opinions she had trusted, that help influenced her decision, and vote for the war, was the Bush Administration. don'tnt think so! But she will tells you this is Bush War. Lies! Lies! Lies! No this is also Hillary war! Let me say it again, she said, After carefully reviewing the information and intelligences. She didnt say after consulting with Bush. Remind you this is the same intelligentigents that Bush based his decision on, And look where that got us American. If she gets the Democratic nomination the republicans will tear her apart on the issues and the truth. She no different than Bush. For the exception as a leader Bush always stand by his convictions. Can say that for Hi llary.&n bsp;And I am tired of the rhetoric and the lack of truth from our elected leaders... Hillary said, it was people opinions she trusted, the same peoples opinion she will be trusting if she becomes President. The fact of the matter is Clinton is dishonest when it comes to the most important issue facing this Nation. The war. Heres my point if she cannt be honest about the war, what about future wars. What about health care, education, and the other issues she speaks about. Hillary Clinton dances around the issues to hid the truth, but as you can see I am a good dancer. Because I know the truth. And I hope and pray the American people realize the truth. The only one that seems to have had it write was Barack Obama. He has been honest when it comes to his past. I think we can say he would be honest when it comes to his future and the future if this nation. WHO WILL YOU VOTE FOR!!! I WILL BE VOTING FOR BARACK OBAMA!!! Hes honest, a ma n of intellec t, and integrity. but thats a story for another time. I didnt intend to write a essay tonight, but i had to speak out! What happened to our democracy America? The same democracy that made way for all Americans to vote. Including black Americans, and Americans form other race and ethnicitys, and women!!! The same democracy that allows a women to run for President, leading the Democracy or should I say Democratic Party. Do we want her even if she lies, mislead and misrepresent the American people... misrepresents the America to the world. One last thing... This is the democracy that gave us freedom of the press. It saddens me that this is the same press and media that have been bias and have allow the truth tp gp unheard. Now is the time! Now is the time to tell the truth! And now is the time to regain of Democracy! Now is the time to take back our county! Take it back by standing up, reporting, and telling the truth. I provide a link to the clip that exposes the truth about Hillary Clinton and the Truth!!! See link below
www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYATbsu2cP8

I will be mailing this to all the major news outlets, political website, and blogs I can. I choose you to be the first to recieve this because I respect the Union and Labor in this country. The same Union and Labor that help transformed this great nation. I like Clinton, especially love Bill, but the stakes in this election couldn't be higher and couldn't be more important. thank you for your time. And may God continue to bless America. The lord knows we are going to need it. Especially if American remains blind... blind to the truth and remains asleep, and Hillary Clinton is elected. THE WEBSITE FOR REFERENCE TO HILLARYS MEETING IS Link Respectfully,AnthonyIndependent Voter for the Awakening America


Please send this to all your friends and all those whose believe in standing up for the truth. Who also believe in standing up to Lie!!! Which means standing up to Hillary Clinton and telling her NO MORE LIE!!!

Join me to show Barack Obama our support at

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I would think you would be well advised to check out Obama's voting record in the senate before you keeping bowing down and kissig his feet.

The "check his senate record above" statement is utterly ridiculous. Any smart American knows that Republicans throw nonsense into bills so that Democrats will not approve them. Or vice versa. READ the bills in full...then decide why or why not he voted for or against bills. His motives will be clear enough. And completely resonable. Go BARACK!!

I truly belive concerning this war that it was not good for us to step in for one it was started for the wrong reason. After 9-11 we should have us all are resources if finding the people responcible for the attacts,but are goverment sought to go after a man who clearly had nothing to do with it and to me that was nothing but dictatorship type move. For it was really never what the people wanted.So now the country is faced with the problem of bringing are troops home witch are at a drastic rate when they should not have been over thier in the first place and culprits are running are around free laughing at America and I hate to say stupidity or is just are goverments and its leader

My problem with Hillary (at the moment) is she seems to be unwilling to admit to a mistake. True, Bush manipulated the evidence but the Congress believed him.

Hillary is a true leader, Bambi Obambi cant take the heat, he is the is showing his "Not ready for prime time!" Hey lets start a fight with the PM of Austrailia! , Americans hate France dummy, start a fight with France's PM to score points. Hillary will bury this Howard Dean without the scream wannabe easily buy April! Obambi is so outclassed by Hillary!

I say go Obama! You said.. "...this is a damb war.." before the start of the war and also said that America was making a big mistake by directing it's focus from fighting the real terrorist to fighting an established system which would drain alot of our funds and lose alot more of our young men and women...how true you were Sir! GO OBAMA. We stand by your side.

When I read of Obama and Hillary stampeding to claim "phased redeployment", I'm reminded of the movie A Christmas Story and Ralphie's brother, Randy. "It's mine, it's mine"

I am not really sure if there would ever be a US president who wouldn't support war. The ammunition lobby is too strong, the majority of the population is too gullible, so attacking some foreign country is never a big deal!

Look at Bush, after 3000+ US soldiers and 600,000+ Iraqis dead, he wants to bomb Iran! With exactly the same kind of accusation that he threw on Saddam! Some morons never learn, do they?

Democrats have to think very carefully who is best suited to beat the Republican nominee for President. Republicans have a weak field for the 2008 presidency and if democrats can put forth a strong and inspiring candidate like Barack Obama I forsee a strong win for the presidency. If you put Hillary Clinton , very polarizing and not inspirational not to mention repulbicans hate her, I forsee the electorate not being responsive to her. Thus losing the White House. To those of you who are nervious about his inexperience remember that Congress ultimately sets policy. The president gives guidence. I think Barack Obama and even Bill Richardson can get us back on the world stage in a postive way faster than any other candidate can, on both sides of the table democrat or republican.

Obama's pre-war speech speak volumes for itself. Below is the speech.
Barack Obama's Iraq Speech
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Iraq Speech
by Barack Obama

Delivered on 26 October 2002.

Good afternoon. Let me begin by saying that although this has been billed as an anti-war rally, I stand before you as someone who is not opposed to war in all circumstances.
The Civil War was one of the bloodiest in history, and yet it was only through the crucible of the sword, the sacrifice of multitudes, that we could begin to perfect this union, and drive the scourge of slavery from our soil.
I don’t oppose all wars.
My grandfather signed up for a war the day after Pearl Harbor was bombed, fought in Patton’s army. He saw the dead and dying across the fields of Europe; he heard the stories of fellow troops who first entered Auschwitz and Treblinka. He fought in the name of a larger freedom, part of that arsenal of democracy that triumphed over evil, and he did not fight in vain.
I don’t oppose all wars.
After September 11th, after witnessing the carnage and destruction, the dust and the tears, I supported this Administration’s pledge to hunt down and root out those who would slaughter innocents in the name of intolerance, and I would willingly take up arms myself to prevent such tragedy from happening again.
I don’t oppose all wars. And I know that in this crowd today, there is no shortage of patriots, or of patriotism. What I am opposed to is a dumb war. What I am opposed to is a rash war. What I am opposed to is the cynical attempt by Richard Perle and Paul Wolfowitz and other arm-chair, weekend warriors in this Administration to shove their own ideological agendas down our throats, irrespective of the costs in lives lost and in hardships borne.
What I am opposed to is the attempt by political hacks like Karl Rove to distract us from a rise in the uninsured, a rise in the poverty rate, a drop in the median income – to distract us from corporate scandals and a stock market that has just gone through the worst month since the Great Depression.
That’s what I’m opposed to. A dumb war. A rash war. A war based not on reason but on passion, not on principle but on politics.
Now let me be clear – I suffer no illusions about Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal man. A ruthless man. A man who butchers his own people to secure his own power. He has repeatedly defied UN resolutions, thwarted UN inspection teams, developed chemical and biological weapons, and coveted nuclear capacity.
He’s a bad guy. The world, and the Iraqi people, would be better off without him.
But I also know that Saddam poses no imminent and direct threat to the United States, or to his neighbors, that the Iraqi economy is in shambles, that the Iraqi military a fraction of its former strength, and that in concert with the international community he can be contained until, in the way of all petty dictators, he falls away into the dustbin of history.
I know that even a successful war against Iraq will require a US occupation of undetermined length, at undetermined cost, with undetermined consequences. I know that an invasion of Iraq without a clear rationale and without strong international support will only fan the flames of the Middle East, and encourage the worst, rather than best, impulses of the Arab world, and strengthen the recruitment arm of al-Qaeda.
I am not opposed to all wars. I’m opposed to dumb wars.
So for those of us who seek a more just and secure world for our children, let us send a clear message to the president today. You want a fight, President Bush? Let’s finish the fight with Bin Laden and al-Qaeda, through effective, coordinated intelligence, and a shutting down of the financial networks that support terrorism, and a homeland security program that involves more than color-coded warnings.
You want a fight, President Bush? Let’s fight to make sure that the UN inspectors can do their work, and that we vigorously enforce a non-proliferation treaty, and that former enemies and current allies like Russia safeguard and ultimately eliminate their stores of nuclear material, and that nations like Pakistan and India never use the terrible weapons already in their possession, and that the arms merchants in our own country stop feeding the countless wars that rage across the globe.
You want a fight, President Bush? Let’s fight to make sure our so-called allies in the Middle East, the Saudis and the Egyptians, stop oppressing their own people, and suppressing dissent, and tolerating corruption and inequality, and mismanaging their economies so that their youth grow up without education, without prospects, without hope, the ready recruits of terrorist cells.
You want a fight, President Bush? Let’s fight to wean ourselves off Middle East oil, through an energy policy that doesn’t simply serve the interests of Exxon and Mobil.
Those are the battles that we need to fight. Those are the battles that we willingly join. The battles against ignorance and intolerance. Corruption and greed. Poverty and despair.
The consequences of war are dire, the sacrifices immeasurable. We may have occasion in our lifetime to once again rise up in defense of our freedom, and pay the wages of war. But we ought not – we will not – travel down that hellish path blindly. Nor should we allow those who would march off and pay the ultimate sacrifice, who would prove the full measure of devotion with their blood, to make such an awful sacrifice in vain.
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Funny thing about all this...

... Republicans are sitting back and having a less heated primary. Not to mention...

... less attention drawn to them.

So as these TWO slug it out for supremacy, Gulianni and McCain sit back and are in position to have a lot of cannon material for later on.

The Clinton campaign is doomed. The fun thing is, some of her supporters are already starting to realize it.

They allege that "Hillary has long supported phased redeployment" Really - with a quote from JANUARY!?!? How telling.

Hillaristi: Help me out here. No one I know that supports Sen. Clinton has said in simple, non-Senate-ese, non-pre-tested language WHY she is running. Why vote for her? Where's the simple rationale? Not Quite As Bad On Iraq As The Republicans? Knows How To Craft A Healthcare Plan Certain Not To Pass? Not As Likely As Bill To Fool Around With Interns?

Sen. Obama has made it crystal clear why he's running. His candidacy's theme is easy to understand. All I know from listening to Sen. Clinton is that she has:

No charisma.
No authenticity.
No leadership.
No rationale.
Always and only her own self-interest at heart.
Loads of friends in DC and the MSM.

People take their Presidential choices very personally. At some point you have to win over some actual voters. They don't all have to love you but they do have to like you enough to trust you with their vote. This is why Dean (who I went to war for) lost, also why Kerry lost, and why Obama will win.

As for actually BEING President, these same appealing qualities that Obama has and Hillary does not - and that her supporters want to dismiss as shallow or unimportant ARE the kinds of things that are important in the interpersonal relationships with other world leaders. Authenticity matters, and no one is better at sniffing it out in a major political leader than other major political leaders. That the PM of Australia already knows it - and feels he should therefore take a shot at it - underscores this.

Check the cell phone logs of her mid-level staffers recently? They're calling friends in the Obama campaign angling for a parachute. Barack is for real, and he's for real on Iraq, both the press and the voters are realizing it, and these things are driving Clinton staffers bonkers right about now.

Bambi "Not ready for primetime" Obama , lets start a fight with one of our biggest allies, the PM of Austrailia. Think about why will he lose because he is a bad leader being exposed as so. The free ride is over, he is done. GO HILLARY!

Even though Obama gave specific dates, that information is still erroneous. He has not definitive, outlined approach to phase out the troops. Clinton, which I am leanding to support, acknowledge that the war is in need of change and making proposals. That is all we can do, campaign and push on our proposals until you get into the white house to make it reality. Obama is trying to make reality without pushing a good proposal and surely without the power of the white house.

SUPPORT CLINTON- FORGET OBAMA!

To All Clueless Dems and Hillary groupies;

The peace movement and the anti-war folks (who, I can tell you, dislike and distrust the Democrats as much as they do Republicans) will not buy Hillary's lame and cynical attempt to reverse her course on the war in Iraq. No matter what Hillary says or does from now until November 2008, she has that albatross/ Iraq vote hanging around her neck. And, almost as bad, Hillary voted for the Patriot Act. As I understand it, Hillary supported the war through re-election campaign for the Senate...

In one of her first appearances in New Hampshire, Clinton tried to ignore the Iraq issue entirely and started her speech with the "health care tango" dance.

Then there is all of Clinton's baggage from Bill Clinton's presidency:

"Draft-dodger husband", "sexual predator husband"

"I did not have sex with that woman." Husband

MONICA REPRISE!!!

Vince Foster suicide

The Rose Law Firm billing records

ETc....

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