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Oprah tells CNN's Larry King she wants Barack Obama to run for president.


Oprah Winfrey is telling some fellow with a web site touting her for president to shut it down and focus on Sen. Barack Obama instead.

Winfrey talks about how Obama should run on Larry King tonight She gave the interview to tout the launch of her radio enterprise on XM. Obama tapes a show with Oprah on or about Oct. 3 to launch his new book. The show will run closer-or possibly on--the Oct. 17 launch date of his new book.

This home town nugget from Winfrey--who has a home on the Mag Mile in Chicago and in California-- ``I'm very much an Illinoisan.''

CNN’s Larry King Live
Interview with Oprah Winfrey & Friends
Monday, September 25, 2006

LARRY KING, CNN HOST: Good evening. Today is a historic day in American radio. The beginning of "Oprah and Friends," the channel made its debut on "XM Satellite Radio," on "XM" channel 156.

And to celebrate, Oprah and her friends join the CEO of "XM" in ringing today's opening bell for the NASDAQ stock market, and the market (INAUDIBLE). And so we welcome them all here.

Oprah herself, who launched that channel, along with her is her friend, Gayle King, popular TV personality, as well, editor-at-large of "O, The Oprah Magazine" and "O at Home."

Dr. Robin Smith, psychologist and best-selling author, her latest book is "Lies at the Altar: The Truth About Great Marriages."

Jean Chatzky is a journalist, financial coach, money expert, and her new book is "Make Money, Not Excuses." That book, by the way, comes out tomorrow.

Nate Berkus is the interior designer and style expert and has a complete line of home products in "Lemons and Things" stores.

Bob Greene, the famed exercise physiologist and fitness expert, best-selling author, his books include "Total Body Makeover."

Marianne Williamson, spiritual teacher, her best-selling books include "A Return to Grace."

And Dr. Mehmet Oz, noted cardiologist, professor, and vice chairman of surgery at Columbia, best-selling author, his books include "You, The Owner's Manual."

Also, a part of this is the noted poet, who is not part of the group tonight, Mia Angelo.


WINFREY: Well, why? I started out in radio, you know, we did, and I started out when I was 16 and I loved radio and then got called to do television. Actually, somebody heard me and then said, "Would you like to come do television?"

And I love radio, I love the intimacy of radio. And this all started out as an idea, somebody approaching me about putting the "Oprah Show" on radio. And that evolved into all of my friends, because, you know, for years, on the "Oprah Show," what I've been trying to do is uplift and entertain, give information, empower people.

These are all people who've been on my show, who do that, and so I now have all of these seven friends who got into the world.

L. KING: How did that lead to your own channel? (INAUDIBLE) have a channel.

WINFREY: I have a channel. It's channel 156, by the way, it is.

L. KING: I think I mentioned that, but if I didn't, go ahead.

WINFREY: So I got my own channel because I had so many friends. So we couldn't get them all on one show.

L. KING: So how does it work? They each do what?

WINFREY: Everybody has their own show.

L. KING: Every day?

WINFREY: Gayle is every day. Dr. Robin is every day. Marianne is once a week. You're three times a week, you're once a week.

L. KING: Lots of repeated?

WINFREY: Yes, and then it repeats, yes.

L. KING: And what do you do?

WINFREY: I am the "O" of "O."

L. KING: Are you on a lot?

WINFREY: No, no, no, I'm not on a lot at all. It's my friends who are on a lot. Gayle and I do a radio show called -- it's a variety radio show, where I might make phone calls and record it. And we're having problems with it because (INAUDIBLE) out because of the things that we said. But it is actually a phone conversation.

L. KING: How often do you talk?

WINFREY: So you'll be tuning in, huh, Larry?

L. KING: Like a lot of people. How often do you talk?

WINFREY: We talk every day, often several times a day.

G. KING: We've been friends a long time, you know.

L. KING: How did it start?

WINFREY: So it wouldn't be hard to have a conversation. What'll be hard is giving a conversation that we can share with other people.

G. KING: Yes.

WINFREY: That will be hard.

L. KING: How did that friendship start?

WINFREY: I was the anchor on, what was it, "WJZ-TV." I was the anchor.

L. KING: Baltimore.

WINFREY: In Baltimore. And she was a production assistant. There was a snowstorm and she couldn't get home. I said, "You can stay at my house." She said, "I don't have any clean underwear." I said, "I have clean underwear. I'll loan you mine and then you can keep it."

G. KING: And, Larry, you know what's so extraordinary about that.
In the newsroom, you know newsroom hierarchy, the anchor is here, the production assistant is here. So it's unheard of really for a news anchor to invite the production assistant to her home.

But we're of the same age, we like some of the same things. And so for her to extend herself in that way was extraordinary.

WINFREY: And at the time, I was 22, making $22,000.

G. KING: And I was 21, making 12. It still ain't changed.

L. KING: I don't know if you've heard what Mr. Graham said about you.

WINFREY: Oh, yes, I watched. I thought that was very nice.

L. KING: He was very kind. Are you angry at the rumors?


L. KING: I know you've denied it.

WINFREY: Well, of course, I denied it.

L. KING: Why did you even have to do that?

WINFREY: I didn't deny it. It's not true. I didn't just deny it.
It's not true.

L. KING: Why did you ever bring it up?

WINFREY: Because we were doing an interview with my magazine and that was the first question that came up.

G. KING: At first.

WINFREY: The first question. And, you know, if I'd have known that it was going to become this firestorm of rumors, I never would have said anything. So those were questions of Stedman Graham last Friday.

Should we have ever brought it up? I think the answer is no.

L. KING: That's what he said.

WINFREY: Because what he said, what you focus on expands. So if we'd never said anything about it, I think it would have been better.

L. KING: How did it harm you, if you at all?

WINFREY: Oh, I don't feel harmed at it. I don't feel harmed by it at all. What bothers me is there is this impression that we have to, quote, "clear our names" about something that, if it was true -- that's what's so troubling about it, Larry.

If it was true, we would so tell you, because even the --


WINFREY: There is nothing wrong, there's nothing wrong with it.
(INAUDIBLE) has known me for how long? A long time.

(UNKNOWN): A long time.

(UNKNOWN): Fourteen, 15 years.

(UNKNOWN): Yes, 15 years and every...

WINFREY: And anybody who is a true friend knows what we're talking about. There is no question in their mind about it. It's so stupid.
But I will never address it again. I knew you were going to bring it up, but I am never going to address it again, because I...


(UNKNOWN): What will you say if somebody asks you?

WINFREY: I'm never addressing it again, (INAUDIBLE) the LARRY KING SHOW, because I have said it and said it and said it. And so I think that the principal that what you focus on expands is true and the more attention you give to it, the more people talk about it.

And, apparently, people must think I'm a liar, because I've said it isn't true.

(UNKNOWN): Which would bother you even more?


WINFREY: And I don't think there's anything wrong with being gay and if I were, I would tell you.

L. KING: Why, Gayle, do you think that, in association, you've become a fuel of the tabloids?

G. KING: Well, Larry, I'm divorced. There's no one in my life.

L. KING: (INAUDIBLE) 80 million people.

WINFREY: I think it's because we're always together.

G. KING: We spend a lot of time together.

WINFREY: We spend a lot of time together.

L. KING: Like that road trip.

WINFREY: But you know we go different places.

G. KING: The road trip, that went well.

WINFREY: -- we're friends.

G. KING: Every woman out there who has a best friend, knows what we're talking about, they get it.

WINFREY: Exactly. If I was married I don't think we would ever have this, nobody would bring this up if I was married.

L. KING: Even 11 days in a car, it's not a (INAUDIBLE).

G. KING: I thought it was a great time, she feels differently about it, I had a ball.

WINFREY: It was not a great time for me.

L. KING: Who drove?

WINFREY: We both drove.

G. KING: We both drove.

WINFREY: We switched drivers.

L. KING: What kind of car?

G. KING: A Chevy Impala.

WINFREY: That was the whole point, it's the CBS in a Chevrolet, you remember that commercial, right?

L. KING: It was a hundred years ago.


L. KING: So you drove in one of those old Chevy's?

WINFREY: I drove (INAUDIBLE) no. But the new Chevy's got smaller.

G. KING: The old Chevy's used to be bigger, yeah.

L. KING: Did you do features along the way?

WINFREY: Yeah, we stopped and met people and things.

L. KING: Because it wouldn't have taken 11 days if you just drove.

WINFREY: Yeah. I heard Larry some people can drive across country in three days. I don't know how you do that. And we were going at a pretty good clip. Not that we were speeding, but a couple of times we hit 80. I'm an 80 mile driver, she drives like 100 because she doesn't like to have any cars in front of her.

G. KING: I don't know if it was 100.

L. KING: Why did you hate it?

WINFREY: Good question.

G. KING: Good question.

L. KING: That's why I asked. (INAUDIBLE) we haven't forgotten about you, Oprah said at the beginning by the way.

WINFREY: I said don't pay any attention to --

L. KING: Don't pay any attention to me.

WINFREY: Oprah's (INAUDIBLE) all my friends.

L. KING: That could be called in heaven, good luck.


WINFREY: First of all, I never estimated what it takes to drive and that you're in the car.

G. KING: How grueling it is.

WINFREY: It's grueling, that road is grueling. You can't take your eyes off the road, your driving is grueling.

G. KING: You have to pay attention.

WINFREY: A lot of bad hotels. I was thinking that much --

L. KING: Did you stay in like --

WINFREY: Bad hotels.

L. KING: You?

WINFREY: Yes, bad, smelly, moldy hotels, that's what I didn't like about it.

L. KING: Did you have a camera crew in the car?

WINFREY: Yes, four cameras in the car.

G. KING: And camera people behind us, with four cameras in the car, so you capture every single moment in the car.

L. KING: Did you eat in KFC's?

WINFREY: Yes, we ate at -

G. KING: Dairy Queen.

WINFREY: We ate a lot of bad foods, Dr. Oz, Bob Green. We ate a lot of bad foods because there's bad food on the road.

G. KING: Well because we stopped at convenience stores so you're getting pork rinds.

L. KING: Do you still find the same allure of radio that you had when you started?

WINFREY: The (INAUDIBLE) I love about radio, it's like talking to one person. It seems so intimate.

L. KING: And there's nothing uptight about it.

WINFREY: Nothing, it's just -- yes. When I listen to it, like the other day I was listening to Dr. Oz I thought he was just talking to me. Maya Angelou has a voice for radio, so I felt like --

L. KING: Theatre of the minds.


L. KING: That's what they call it, that you can make it anything you want.

WINFREY: Theatre of the mind my friends.

L. KING: Yes, you go on radio and say, here I am, sitting on the side of the mountain.


L. KING: We'll be right back with more of Oprah and Friends. We'll meet them all right after this.

WINFREY: Let's meet them all.


L. KING: We're back with the group and I'll mention the name and we'll go around and Oprah will tell us a little bit about each and how they got to be part of this offering which started today on 156, XM 156. Who is Dr. Robin Smith?

WINFREY: Dr. Robin Smith is a psychologist. She used to have patients before she came on my show. She came on my show and I loved her because she had, not just psychological advantage in terms of analyzation, analyzing people, but she also has such common sense. And she can answer any question, I don't care what the problem was, she has an answer for it.

L. KING: Why do you like doing it?

DR. ROBIN SMITH: Because it allows me to really show up for who I am and invite the caller to show up. I mean in a real way, in a way that's unencumbered and you know trapped by looks and what someone is
(INAUDIBLE) in terms of judgment.

L. KING: Do you miss patient to patient relationships?

SMITH: I still see a few people who I've seen for years, but no, not really. And then I did that for a long time, so to be honest. The other thing I just want to throw in if I can is when you were talking about the issue of friendship with Gayle and Oprah. I mean one of the things that the Dr. Robin Show on Oprah and Friends, XM 156 is going to talk about, the issue of their friendship being misunderstood is really an indictment Larry on our country. Because we don't understand what genuine connection is, we have no clue about what real friendship and about what real intimacy is. So when we see it, we don't recognize it, and so we start labeling it and mislabeling it, because when I don't understand you, instead of being curious and maybe even thinking I like what they have, I get jealous and I become critical. And so part of my show is to help us awaken.

L. KING: So the problem is us?

SMITH: Very much so, very much so.

WINFREY: Yes, and the reason I want to say too is because for years I've done shows where people along with their best friends and the best friends slept with their husband or the best friend -- And I never understood that kind of friendship. I said well, that must not be, that's not the kind of friendship we have.


WINFREY: It's not the kind of best friend that can sleep with your husband.

L. KING: Jean Chatzky, who is she Oprah?

WINFREY: Well Jean is our financial expert. We did a series this past year called "The Debt Diet" where we tried to put millions of people on a financial diet, to look at their lives because this country is as you know in debt. And so many people live their lives trying to keep up with everybody else. And Jean was so fantastic on that show helping those people that we became fast friends because her common sense, no nonsense approach to financial difficulties is exactly what I think the country needs.

L. KING: Why are finances so hard, why do most of us fail economics?

JEAN CHATZKY: Because you're talking to somebody who got a C in economics in college. The problem is that we don't have anywhere real to talk about these things. We grow up in homes where nobody talks to us about money. We'll talk about sex, we'll talk about everything else under the sun, but we won't talk about money because we're embarrassed and ashamed, we feel bad, we feel that we're not doing as well as we should.

WINFREY: The parents never tell their kids about money because they want them to think -- you know they always said we don't have enough money, but they never say how much money we really do have.

G. KING: I still don't know what my father made. I remember asking my mother how much does my father make and she said we don't talk about that. Which is (INAUDIBLE).

CHATZKY: Right. She may not have even known.

G. KING: I do think she knew because she was doing the checkbook, but she said that's a rude question to ask somebody and you should never ask anybody how much they make.

CHATZKY: Well, and it's not a rude question any more. Because what we're going to do on my show on XM 156, we can all say that and then we'll set it up.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I'm not going to say it.

CHATZKY: We're going to give people a place where they can say hey, I'm worried about my money. I don't understand it, there are no stupid questions, we'll give them the answers, we'll bring in fabulous guests that people call in. And maybe people that come to terms with owning their money.

L. KING: As we go around and meet everybody, and then we'll have wide open discussions here.

Nate Berkus. How did he come to you?

WINFREY: He is that cutie pie (INAUDIBLE). He came -- where did
you come from? You've been with us four years now.


WINFREY: (INAUDIBLE). So let me just think here. You've (ph) been on the show one time.

NATE BERKUS: One time. And it was a small space makeover.

WINFREY: OK. So 400 (ph) square feet.


WINFREY: You decorated somebody's apartment that was 400 square feet. I've never seen anything like it.

L. KING: Because most of American knows him from the tragedy of losing his friend in the tsunami.

WINFREY: In that terrible tsunami. But he'd been with us already a couple years when that happened.

BERKUS: Yes. Yes, that's true. That's true.

WINFREY: And then Nate was caught in the tsunami, you know, our whole team was kind of, "get him out."

BERKUS: The first call I made was call the TV producers.


WINFREY: CNN. You could have gone on CNN. Call (INAUDIBLE) at CNN.

L. KING: Why -- how does interior design work on the radio?

BERKUS: You know, I'd say, yes, it's funny because I actually heard that (INAUDIBLE) thought it wouldn't be that great of an idea, is that right?

WINFREY: Yes, I did.

BERKUS: OK. So -- which is a really great thing going into a new radio show, to (INAUDIBLE).



L. KING: All this group against you (INAUDIBLE).


BERKUS: (INAUDIBLE) Face some challenges.

WINFREY: I'm thinking, you know, how the hell is he going to do decorating on radio, that's what I said.

BERKUS: Well, somebody said, how is it a visual. So it's a fantastic question. But I think the truth is, is that, you know, really design, in general, isn't just about picking pretty things and living with expensive things and things like that. It's about knowing yourself well enough to know what decisions that you should make. What colors make you happy? What makes you feel peaceful? When they do (INAUDIBLE).

But what really like, who are you? Where do you come from? Where's your heritage from? What parts of yourself do you want to honor through how you're living. And so when you get to know yourself, then you create an interior that is actually a reflection of you and who you aspire to be.

L. KING: Most people don't know that no matter what their income, they can use an interior designer.

BERKUS: Absolutely.

L. KING: But you're (INAUDIBLE). You get the (INAUDIBLE) from the furniture people. You don't really charge the person, right?

BERKUS: Well, I don't want to go into my whole fee schedule on your show. But, no, we do charge a fee for interior design.


L. KING: I thought they make it from the -- when they buy the furniture.


BERKUS: It changes where the (INAUDIBLE).

WINFREY: We do the shopping (ph) some.


WINFREY: Oh, yes. Yes. And I'm one of the parents (ph) who get
(INAUDIBLE) pass this on.

L. KING: OK, I'll buy (ph) that.

WINFREY: No. No, no, no, no, no. We (INAUDIBLE) hefty decorating bills (INAUDIBLE).

L. KING: No, she said it was a turnkey, good luck.


BERKUS: Yes. And see you later.


WINFREY: Give me your wallet.

BERKUS: Your wallet. But, you know what, that's actually what I love about being on the radio and what I've loved about being on the Oprah Winfrey Show for the last four years is that I know have access to people who wouldn't typically have access to a designer that's doing all these projects. And it's great because it's not - it's not based on money. It's, you know, anyone can take a weekend and paid their walls if they want to.

WINFREY: He's one of the nicest designers I know. And you know there are many snoody -- there are a lot of snoody designers. And up-tight, snoody designers who want to impose their taste on you.

L. KING: You don't want that color, do you?

WINFREY: No, wait (ph), you want color?

L. KING: All right. Let's take a break. We'll come back. Meet the other members and then everybody tunes in. Tunes in for the
(INAUDIBLE) 156 on XM. Don't go away.

WINFREY: Yes. Thanks.

Yes, you're all around the world. So you can go to XM Radio anywhere.

L. KING: I listen to XM Radio.


L. KING: A reminder that the great poetess -- poetess?


L. KING: Poet. I thought poet was male.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No, it's just poet.

L. KING: Okay. Maya Angelou is also part of this scene; she'll be heard once a week. And before we meet our next three members of the panel, an e-mail for Oprah from Judy in Princeton, New Jersey.

"Oprah, I'm looking forward to your radio shows. Are there any topics you will not discuss?"

WINFREY: We discuss everything. Between the seven of us, there's nothing that's off limits.

L. KING: Okay.

WINFREY: Not one thing.

L. KING: Our next panelist here tonight, and part of your group, is Bob Greene.


L. KING: Oh, Bob.

WINFREY: Bobby, my brother. Bob's started being my trainer in 1990 --


L. KING: How'd you find him?

WINFREY: I was -- this is terribly (INAUDIBLE), but I was 237 pounds -- yes, I was.

G. KING: You were heavyweight champion.

WINFREY: Yeah, I weighed more than the heavyweight champion.
I'd gone to the Emmys. I couldn't even get out of my chair; I was so embarassed to win. I was hoping that Donahue was going to win, because I didn't want to get out of my chair. And I left there and I went to a spa to try to -- one more time to try to start that weight loss thing. And I ran into Bob Greene.

And Bob Greene really changed my life. I would have to say he's had an enormous influence on my life because he started asking me the questions -- he said to me, Why are you fat?

G. KING: That bluntly, too.


L. KING: No one ever had said --


WINFREY: Nobody said that. And I -- thank you, Gayle.


WINFREY: And I was thinking, well, I'd say, I just love potato chips, I just love to eat food. And then he just kept saying, But that is not the real reason; what is the real reason?

And he asked me another question: When was the last time you were happy?

G. KING: Yeah.

WINFREY: And I had to -- at that time, I couldn't even remember. I said -- this was in 1992 -- I said, when I was doing "The Color Purple,"
which was 1985. So he said, You haven't really been happy in seven years?

GREENE: Then there's the cause, too, so it took you a while to --


L. KING: What do we mean by `exercise physiologist?'

GREENE: That means I have an advanced degree in studying how the body processes food and how it reacts to exercise.

WINFREY: It means he just didn't go out and get a little trainer's license.


L. KING: So it's more than just, Get on the treadmill and do this a hundred times.

GREENE: Yeah, because most people, when they want to drop weight, for example, concentrate on eating, and usually eating in a temporary way. And once you learn -- most people that struggle with this issue -- it's a lot deeper. There's an emotional component, there's a resistance to exercise. And you need to combine and understand the person's emotions behind it.

L. KING: Was Oprah easy to work with? Honest, now.

GREENE: I would say, yes, but after the first week, we had our challenges -- and I'll never forget this because intersting enough, as an adult, at 33, was when I met her I didn't own a TV. So it was very interesting to go into the mountains of Colorado --


GREENE: -- and she meets someone that's maybe -- very few people that don't -- have never seen her on TV. Maybe I saw a commercial in passing at some point, but -- so I think that was really to my advantage.

And then I went back to Chicago to work with her and I remember the first day, we worked out hard in the morning and then we would come back, and that was to get in more exercise, just to see how her day went and how to kind of recap how it went.

WINFREY: (INAUDIBLE) was present. He'd tell me the truth better than anybody else in my life, he was just right there. So one time I was late, I was late and he said, "My time is just as important as your time and you're not going to waste my time. So if you're not here on time, I won't be here either."

GREENE: Actually, we were in my car, on our way, and it was after five days and she was progressively later each of the evening sessions.
And, you know, I know she has a busy life, but still it's about respecting.

That is the problem. It's procrastinating and not honoring yourself. And I said, "You know, you're really not honoring yourself and you're disrespecting my time." And I'm watching her face, because we had just...

WINFREY: We just met.

GREENE: ... met and the jaw dropped and I could tell not a lot of people talked her that way. And I'm thinking, "Oh, my bags are packed, I'm ready to ship out really quick." And she said, "I am so sorry and it'll never happen again," and it really didn't.

WINFREY: And it didn't.

L. KING: Marianne Williamson, I think we all know.

WINFREY: We all know.

L. KING: How did she hook up with you?

WINFREY: I mean, what happened is I had read Marianne Williamson's book in 1992, called "Return to Love." I didn't have a book club nor an idea of a book club. I loved that book so much.

I went out and bought a 1,000 copies of the book and...

L. KING: As we all do.

WINFREY: I ordered a 1,000 copies just so that I could share that book with all my friends and share that book with everybody I knew. And I couldn't even believe that she would actually come on the show and talk about it.

And the very first time she came on the show and talked about it, she became a friend afterwards. Everybody knows I struggle with weight and there was a time in my life when I was so down and desperate for answers, I called up Marianne and asked her, "Can you tell me, why do you think I can't end this struggle?"

And she wrote me a letter and in that letter she said, "Our deepest fear is not that we're inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we're powerful beyond measure."

WILLIAMSON: It's not our darkness that frightens us, it's our light that most frightens us and you asked who are you to be, on top of all the other talents, fabulous and gorgeous, too, and brilliant.

WINFREY: So she writes me this in the letter and years later I hear this piece that she's written to me is on the Internet and everybody is saying that it's Nelson Mandela's speech from his inauguration.

And I'm like, "That is not Nelson Mandela's speech. I have got the letter that she wrote to me." And so for a long time, on the Internet and throughout the world, people equated that piece about our deepest fear, thinking it was Nelson Mandela, but it was really Marianne Williamson.

L. KING: Do you ever doubt your faith?

WILLIAMSON: No, I don't doubt my God. I doubt my faith in God sometimes, but I never doubt God.

L. KING: Like you see a tsunami, you don't doubt it?

WILLIAMSON: Well, I believe that everybody who passed from the tsunami or anything else is still safe in the hands of God. I don't believe, in essence, in death itself. And I don't believe God made the tsunami happen. You know, terrible things happen.

I don't believe that the natural order works that way and I think probably I ought to talk to Nate personally about this, but I've talked to enough people who had gone through tragedies, you know.

When we are outside a tragedy, we tend to have this conversation, it's like, "How could God let this happen?" But, often, when you talk to people whose lives were most directly affected, they get more of a sense, a natural sense, that there's more of a mystery here.


WILLIAMSON: I think that was true for 9/11, also. The whole country goes into a very, you know, (INAUDIBLE) and anger scene, but the people whose lives were most affected became transcendent.

There's a line in the bible, "What man intends for evil, God intends for good." So the idea isn't just -- it's not just something bad happened, but what, through something that happens inside us that causes something bad to happen.

WINFREY: And I'm sure (INAUDIBLE) Katrina. You would get a lot of the same, also.

WILLIAMSON: Of course.


WILLIAMSON: It changes their lives. So that's really what it's about.

L. KING: And how, Oprah, did Dr. Oz come into the picture?

WINFREY: I saw Dr. Oz on the "Discovery Channel" and I thought he was the cutest heart surgeon I had ever seen. I thought he was so cute and so knowledgeable. I asked him to come on my show.

I used to always say if ever I needed a doctor, that's the doctor I'd want, because of his bedside manner. You know, he's the director of cardiology at Columbia.

L. KING: One of his partners did surgery on me. Wayne Isom is the director at New York Presbyterian.

OZ: He absolutely is.

L. KING: And he knows...


WINFREY: He knows everything about the body. We did a whole show on my show where we talked about things, bowels and things. He's just so knowledgeable about the body and I think he's going to offer incredible information for people to not merely know about their bodies, but to take care of them in a better way.

L. KING: Why'd you choose cardiology?

OZ: Actually, I'm a surgeon. So I'm a heart surgeon, which is sort of a nice field, because you get to learn how the body works. But if you like using your hands, it's a good place to play, inside the heart, you know.

But one of the things I was thinking about the radio show, though, is that we spend a lot of our time as doctors talking in this kind of a format, but one-on-one. And one day it sort of this you, sort of the epiphany, that it's not look that way.

You've got to get the message out broadly. And I would argue that we have the best educated population ever in the history of mankind about our bodies, but we don't know that knowledge.

L. KING: So what's the good then?

OZ: Well, the good -- but there's a solution, I think. There's no good to having knowledge without action, without understanding, but I think we can teach understanding. But it's not going to happen with sound bytes, it's not going to happen with headline news.

We need to sit down with people in the comfort of their own home, where their car is, in a more intimate setting. You know, when you're a family, you sit around, and we're sort of family, we're friends and we're family, too, you don't talk about things you agree about. You talk about things that are problems.

So I want to find out, you know -- I have to make my number unlisted at home, because they keep calling me for advice.


L. KING: We'll come back and then everybody chimes in. We'll be right back. Big day for "Oprah and Friends."


L. KING: "Oprah and Friends" is now on channel 156 on "XM Radio,"
debuted today. We've got the whole panel here, except for Mia Angelo.

Dr. Smith, what's the biggest psychological problem most people face?

SMITH: Fear. Fear, no question. Fear, which translates into self-hatred or the hatred of others. So I either act out on myself or I act out on you.

And why do I do that? Because I don't feel good enough. I'm afraid that I'm not enough.

WINFREY: But don't you think, Robin, those people don't even know that they're afraid? Because I remember asking this guy who was saying that on the show once, and he goes, I'm not afraid of nothing.

SMITH: Oh right. Well, you know what? And people who tell me they're not afraid of anything, I'm afraid of them, and the reason I say that is because they're so unconscious, they're so asleep that their fear lives in them and how they act out because they're afraid. That's what competition is about, that there's not enough room for all of us at the table, not enough food at the table for all of us, so I'm scared.

L. KING: Gayle, what do you fear the most?

G. KING: I knew it was going to be what do I fear the most. I don't know, Larry. I'm trying to think of something that I'm really afraid of that's really significant other than heights. You know, I know you mean something really philosophical, but I don't have anything like that in my life right now.

WINFREY: I have a deep fear. I have a deep fear of not fulfilling my potential on earth.

L. KING: You're kidding.


L. KING: You don't think that you've fulfilled ...

WINFREY: No, I definitely do not think I've fulfilled it.

L. KING: So you're a failure?

WINFREY: I'm not a failure, but I don't feel like that I have used my life to the highest good. I feel like the television show is the foundation for doing other things in the world, and that, you know once
-- I'm 52, and something happens to you around 50, I think, when you realize you don't have as much time left as you had had, and so my fear is not using what I have to the greatest and highest order.

L. KING: How, Dr. Oz, do you deal with patients' fear? Do they teach that in medical school?

OZ: You learn a lot from your parents, actually. But you do have mentors, so we speak a lot about fear. Anybody who is not scared going into heart surgery needs a psychiatrist.



OZ: And there are folks that haven't woken up to the reality, but illness is a great growth opportunity. There's a lot of things that you can do as you overcome a problem in your life, and I always liken it to climbing a mountain. If you're enter it with fear, or any other athletic endeavor, you're not going to try, but there's usually a message there. There's something deeper than you can connect to, and you can learn a lot about yourself and people in your life.


WINFREY (?): I remember asking this question. What does it feel like to come down to "Grey's Anatomy." What did it feel like to have the heart in your hand?

OZ (?): Well, the heart is sacred. I mean, there's a reason why the poets speak about our hearts. It's like the back of a boa constrictor. It's this powerful muscle that's quivering. The heart doesn't empty blood like a balloon emptying water. It's like a towel would be wrung of water. That's how it empties the blood. So this boa constrictor is twisting and twisting, and here you are in there, and you've got to find someway or taming that beast. And you can't overpower it. You can't beat it up. You have to caress it and soften it.

L. KING: And the patient, all his life, whenever I see Dr. Isen (ph), I have an attachment to him.


L. KING: He had my heart, and I constantly feel it. I constantly feel it.


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He held your heart, yes.


L. KING: Do you fear in finance maybe?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Huge, because fear is what stops us from starting, and if you can't start -- you know, finance is one of those strange worlds in which there are no right answers. I think that's why we, as women, have so much trouble with it. We like to know the right answer before we approach any question, but with money, with things like investments, you know, something may be good enough. Nothing will ever be perfect, and so that fear ...

WINFREY: If you've ever lost a lot of money in investments, and some people have.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And so many people have.



WINFREY: I'm going to keep mine in a shoebox underneath my bed.


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And it's a shoebox you know.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It's a shoebox you know, but it's shoebox that inflation taxes it (ph), and you have to get your stuff into this game.

L. KING: I've got to take a break. When we come back, we'll ask Marianne about fear in faith. Just thought of that one.


L. KING: Nate, is there any fear in interior design?



L. KING: We'll be right back with more. Don't forge the fear channel.


L. KING: Don't go away.


L. KING: We're back with the panel.

I don't know how we hooked on fear, but, Nate, what's your feeling on how it's going to come out? Will the client laugh?

BERKUS: There's so much fear involved in design. I mean, people would stand paralyzed in front of a sofa and refuse to make a single decision, because they're afraid.

WINFREY: I'm laughing, that is so true.

BERKUS: And, legitimately, they're afraid of wasting their money, their hard-earned money. They're afraid that it's not going to come out looking like, you know, a makeover on the "Oprah Winfrey Show."

WINFREY: You don't want to feel like you don't have any taste.
(INAUDIBLE) can make you feel so badly about...


BERKUS: But that often goes back into the whole idea of designing for yourself and creating an environment that speaks to you and who you want to be, because people are afraid to not have what other people have.

They're afraid to not have red walls if their neighbor has red walls, because they think that's what the magazine stated or whatever it is. So it's absolutely fear-based.

WINFREY: Because you can't change it. I had chocolate walls down the hallway and then I realized Bob Greene said to me, "Change the chocolate hallway. We feel like we're going through a dungeon every time."

(UNKNOWN): I honestly liked the chocolate.

GREENE: No, I didn't like it. Every time I went through it, to get her to jog off...


WINFREY: But the thing is I already did it. It's the money. I don't want to spend anymore money.

(UNKNOWN): She said the same thing to me about a couch that I had paid a lot of money for, but once it came, I didn't like it. She goes, "But you don't like it, but it cost so much money." I can't just throw it out. But I ended up doing it, because it was so annoying walking past it.


L. KING: What's the name of this show? Dark chocolate is healthier.

Bob, the biggest fear, is it exercise?

GREENE: Well, it's about changing your life. What I help people do is change their life and, obviously, fear change is the number one thing. And what you really need to do is you can also use fear.

Oprah said something really important, where her fear is not living up to her potential. So you have to introduce that to someone and that has to counteract the fact that their fear of changing the way their life is today.

WINFREY: Because most people who lose significant amounts of weight end up having to change something significant in their life and a lot of times it mean getting rid of their husband, getting out of a bad relationship.

GREENE: It all boils down to a significant change.

L. KING: Change is the biggest fear.


L. KING: We'll be right back with more. Don't go away.


L. KING: I hate to bring up myself. My biggest fear is fear of dying.

Is that common, Marianne?

WILLIAMSON: Well, not only is it common, but I think the biggest fear that people are feeling these days goes way beyond any of these personal issues.

We're afraid of a nuke, we're afraid of terrorism, we're afraid of what's happening in this country, we're afraid of what's happening in this world, and there's a big silence in the popular dialogue these days.

So I think, you know, if you could call the '80s or the '90s the new decade, I think this is the "we" decade. I think our biggest problems are problems that we share.

So when we talk about spiritual solutions, it's not just a matter of looking deep and rethinking our own lives. We have to look deep and rethink our country's lives, the state of the species, the globe, and I think that's the problem.

It's not only where there's the deepest fear, but it's also where there's the deepest opportunity. And I think it's interesting, because so many people over the last few years have, on shows like "Oprah" and (INAUDIBLE), talked about the principals that enable us to make our lives better.

And now I think the pulse of the moment is if these principals of how I might rethink who I am and who I am in the world and how I'm showing up and presenting myself and behaving, as it applies to an individual, and these kinds of ideas uplift an individual life, now we need to apply that to our country and we need to apply that to the world.

It's not just your soul that matters. It's the soul of the country that matters.

WINFREY: And other countries.

WILLIAMSON: Absolutely, because going into this is how you exist in relation to other people. And for our nation, it's how do you relate to other people and how do you other people feel about you when you talk to them or relate to them.

So to me, it's a national fear that's really what people are thinking.

WINFREY: They do have it and nobody talks about it. Nobody talks about it but you.


L. KING: (INAUDIBLE) a brilliant, great lawyer, a friend of mine.
I asked him once if he was optimistic or pessimistic and he said, "Of course, I'm pessimistic. I'm intelligent."

Isn't that the usual case? Shouldn't we be? Isn't it logical to be pessimistic?

WILLIAMSON: Well, I think if you're not -- if you're asleep. But if you're awake, there's no way you'd be pessimistic, because you would see all of the potential in yourself and in others.

And how could we sit in this circle right now, this sacred, holy room, where there are people who are talking about money and minds and holding hearts in our hands, and be pessimistic? I mean, how could I do that?

L. KING: There's a (INAUDIBLE) bond somewhere.

WILLIAMSON: There's a thought that says that a soul would rather die than to live its life as someone else. And I think that part of what we're talking about is how can people live the lives, their best life, not my life for them or their life for me, but helping Robin be who she was born to be and Gayle and Oprah and Larry.

WINFREY: And if you do become your self, you have your full whole self, has more compassion for other people.

L. KING: I've got to take a time out, and back with our panel.

WINFREY: Oh, let's go over to Anderson Cooper's show. (INAUDIBLE) didn't want to do this show tonight. Let's just keep talking.

L. KING: (Inaudible.) We'll be right back. Don't go away.


L. KING: Brief time left -- Marianne wanted to add something.

WILLIAMSON: When you said, if you're logical, you would be pessimistic about the world today. But the early abolishionists would not have thought it was logical to think they could get rid of slavery.
The woman suffragettes would not have thought it was logical to think they could uplift women. I don't think history is moved by people who are pessimistic. I think history is moved by people who have faith in something unseen. And it is something understand and you claim something, whether it's logical or not to think it can happen. You claim it as possibility and if it's based on something good and true, it's like you have cosmic companionship.

L. KING: We have an e-mail for Oprah -- final e-mail -- from Bobby Joe --


L. KING: -- from Bobby Joe in Leesburg -- where else -- in Leesburg.

"If you had to retire tomorrow, and had to choose your successor, who would it be and why?


L. KING: Remembering Oprah.


WINFREY: What I would really hope for my friends is that they all could develop into their own entities, and maybe that's televisions shows -- they all have their own radio shows. And if I were to do a successor today for the Oprah Winfrey Show, it would be these friends.

L. KING: And any comment on this movement to make you president?

WINFREY: Is there a movement?

L. KING: This guy's got a movement.

WINFREY: I don't know if that's a movement or not.

L. KING: He's got a website --

WINFREY: You know what I would say to him, I would say, take your energy and put it in Barack Obama. That's what I would say.

L. KING: Is that your favorite?

WINFREY: That would be my favorite guy. I'm going to -- I tried to call this guy, Mr. Mann, the other day.


WINFREY: In Kansas City, because my attorneys had sent him a letter, and they should not have sent that letter. You know --


WINFREY: You know how attorneys are, they just love --


WINFREY: And I didn't appreciate that my attorneys did that.

L. KING: Are you still an Illinoisan?


L. KING: So even though you have a home in California --

WINFREY: Yes, I'm very much an Illinoisan --

L. KING: Senator Obama is your senator.

WINFREY: He is my senator.

L. KING: And your choice.

WINFREY: And my choice. And I'm hoping he would run for president.

L. KING: Thank you all very much.

WINFREY: Open forum.

L. KING: We thank them all for being with us, ANDERSON COOPER 360 is next. Good night.



Krongard joined the CIA in 1998 as counsel to CIA Director George Tenet. He was promoted to CIA Executive Director by President Bush in March of this year. BT was acquired by Deutsche Bank in 1999. The combined firm is the single largest bank in Europe. And, as we shall see, Deutsche Bank played several key roles in events connected to the September 11 attacks.

Before looking further into these relationships it is necessary to look at the insider trading information that is being ignored by Reuters, The New York Times and other mass media. It is well documented that the CIA has long monitored such trades – in real time – as potential warnings of terrorist attacks and other economic moves contrary to U.S. interests. Previous stories in FTW have specifically highlighted the use of Promis software to monitor such trades.

It is necessary to understand only two key financial terms to understand the significance of these trades, “selling short��? and “put options��?.

“Selling Short��? is the borrowing of stock, selling it at current market prices, but not being required to actually produce the stock for some time. If the stock falls precipitously after the short contract is entered, the seller can then fulfill the contract by buying the stock after the price has fallen and complete the contract at the pre-crash price. These contracts often have a window of as long as four months.

“Put Options,��? are contracts giving the buyer the option to sell stocks at a later date. Purchased at nominal prices of, for example, $1.00 per share, they are sold in blocks of 100 shares. If exercised, they give the holder the option of selling selected stocks at a future date at a price set when the contract is issued. Thus, for an investment of $10,000 it might be possible to tie up 10,000 shares of United or American Airlines at $100 per share, and the seller of the option is then obligated to buy them if the option is executed. If the stock has fallen to $50 when the contract matures, the holder of the option can purchase the shares for $50 and immediately sell them for $100 – regardless of where the market then stands. A call option is the reverse of a put option, which is, in effect, a derivatives bet that the stock price will go up.

A September 21 story by the Israeli Herzliyya International Policy Institute for Counterterrorism, entitled “Black Tuesday: The World’s Largest Insider Trading Scam?��? documented the following trades connected to the September 11 attacks:

- Between September 6 and 7, the Chicago Board Options Exchange saw purchases of 4,744 put options on United Airlines, but only 396 call options… Assuming that 4,000 of the options were bought by people with advance knowledge of the imminent attacks, these “insiders��? would have profited by almost $5 million.

- On September 10, 4,516 put options on American Airlines were bought on the Chicago exchange, compared to only 748 calls. Again, there was no news at that point to justify this imbalance;… Again, assuming that 4,000 of these options trades represent “insiders,��? they would represent a gain of about $4 million.

- [The levels of put options purchased above were more than six times higher than normal.]

- No similar trading in other airlines occurred on the Chicago exchange in the days immediately preceding Black Tuesday.

- Morgan Stanley Dean Witter & Co., which occupied 22 floors of the World Trade Center, saw 2,157 of its October $45 put options bought in the three trading days before Black Tuesday; this compares to an average of 27 contracts per day before September 6. Morgan Stanley’s share price fell from $48.90 to $42.50 in the aftermath of the attacks. Assuming that 2,000 of these options contracts were bought based upon knowledge of the approaching attacks, their purchasers could have profited by at least $1.2 million. Merrill Lynch & Co., with headquarters near the Twin Towers, saw 12,215 October $45 put options bought in the four trading days before the attacks; the previous average volume in those shares had been 252 contracts per day [a 1200% increase!]. When trading resumed, Merrill’s shares fell from $46.88 to $41.50; assuming that 11,000 option contracts were bought by “insiders,��? their profit would have been about $5.5 million.

- European regulators are examining trades in Germany’s Munich Re, Switzerland’s Swiss Re, and AXA of France, all major reinsurers with exposure to the Black Tuesday disaster. [FTW Note: AXA also owns more than 25% of American Airlines stock making the attacks a “double whammy��? for them.]

On September 29, 2001 – in a vital story that has gone unnoticed by the major media – the San Francisco Chronicle reported, “Investors have yet to collect more than $2.5 million in profits they made trading options in the stock of United Airlines before the Sept. 11, terrorist attacks, according to a source familiar with the trades and market data.
“The uncollected money raises suspicions that the investors – whose identities and nationalities have not been made public – had advance knowledge of the strikes.��? They don’t dare show up now. The suspension of trading for four days after the attacks made it impossible to cash-out quickly and claim the prize before investigators started looking.

“… October series options for UAL Corp. were purchased in highly unusual volumes three trading days before the terrorist attacks for a total outlay of $2,070; investors bought the option contracts, each representing 100 shares, for 90 cents each. [This represents 230,000 shares]. Those options are now selling at more than $12 each. There are still 2,313 so-called “put��? options outstanding [valued at $2.77 million and representing 231,300 shares] according to the Options Clearinghouse Corp.��?

“…The source familiar with the United trades identified Deutsche Bank Alex. Brown, the American investment banking arm of German giant Deutsche Bank, as the investment bank used to purchase at least some of these options…��? This was the operation managed by Krongard until as recently as 1998.

As reported in other news stories, Deutsche Bank was also the hub of insider trading activity connected to Munich Re. just before the attacks.


Understanding the interrelationships between CIA and the banking and brokerage world is critical to grasping the already frightening implications of the above revelations. Let’s look at the history of CIA, Wall Street and the big banks by looking at some of the key players in CIA’s history.

Clark Clifford – The National Security Act of 1947 was written by Clark Clifford, a Democratic Party powerhouse, former Secretary of Defense, and one-time advisor to President Harry Truman. In the 1980s, as Chairman of First American Bancshares, Clifford was instrumental in getting the corrupt CIA drug bank BCCI a license to operate on American shores. His profession: Wall Street lawyer and banker.

John Foster and Allen Dulles – These two brothers “designed��? the CIA for Clifford. Both were active in intelligence operations during WW II. Allen Dulles was the U.S. Ambassador to Switzerland where he met frequently with Nazi leaders and looked after U.S. investments in Germany. John Foster went on to become Secretary of State under Dwight Eisenhower and Allen went on to serve as CIA Director under Eisenhower and was later fired by JFK. Their professions: partners in the most powerful - to this day - Wall Street law firm of Sullivan, Cromwell.

Bill Casey – Ronald Reagan’s CIA Director and OSS veteran who served as chief wrangler during the Iran-Contra years was, under President Richard Nixon, Chairman of the Securities and Exchange Commission. His profession: Wall Street lawyer and stockbroker.

David Doherty - The current Vice President of the New York Stock Exchange for enforcement is the retired General Counsel of the Central Intelligence Agency.

George Herbert Walker Bush – President from 1989 to January 1993, also served as CIA Director for 13 months from 1976-7. He is now a paid consultant to the Carlyle Group, the 11th largest defense contractor in the nation, which also shares joint investments with the bin Laden family.

A.B. “Buzzy��? Krongard – The current Executive Director of the Central Intelligence Agency is the former Chairman of the investment bank A.B. Brown and former Vice Chairman of Banker’s Trust.

John Deutch - This retired CIA Director from the Clinton Administration currently sits on the board at Citigroup, the nation’s second largest bank, which has been repeatedly and overtly involved in the documented laundering of drug money. This includes Citigroup’s 2001 purchase of a Mexican bank known to launder drug money, Banamex.

Nora Slatkin – This retired CIA Executive Director also sits on Citibank’s board.

Maurice “Hank��? Greenburg – The CEO of AIG insurance, manager of the third largest capital investment pool in the world, was floated as a possible CIA Director in 1995. FTW exposed Greenberg’s and AIG’s long connection to CIA drug trafficking and covert operations in a two-part series that was interrupted just prior to the attacks of September 11. AIG’s stock has bounced back remarkably well since the attacks. To read that story, please go to

One wonders how much damning evidence is necessary to respond to what is now irrefutable proof that CIA knew about the attacks and did not stop them. Whatever our government is doing, whatever the CIA is doing, it is clearly NOT in the interests of the American people, especially those who died on September 11.

[© COPYRIGHT, 2001, Michael C. Ruppert and FTW Publications, All Rights Reserved. – May be reprinted or distributed for non-profit purposes only.]

what about Clinton insider's how convientiently forgotten. Lynn where do these people come from? Go back under the rock you came from.

I hail from Obama's ancestral home, Kenya. He came over here a couple of months ago and I agree with Oprah; he sure should run. He's got guts, he's got looks, he's got books - so he's got what it takes to be America's next president!

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