Looking at the "talent" that Bruce Weber is compiling at Illinois, Richmond would be foolish not to look somewhere else if he cares about winning.

GO HOOSIERS!

It's starting to become apparent that Bruce Weber isn't the man for the job. Self left him with a stacked roster and he hasn't been able to keep the cupboard full. I do think Self is a cheater, and Bruce wouldn't stoop to that level, but still, we need someone that can keep that state's talent home.

Ryan, he cares about going pro after 1 year....

Weber's the man at coaching....

Weber will do an incredible job with the receruits he has and given even a few players the level of Richmond he will be a final four contender. The "stacked" team he had only had one top 50 player. Weber made those guys into NBA talent.

Is there any chance that Iman Shumpert will be a junior at Illinois when Jereme Richmond is a freshman at Illinois?

I read on the InterNet that Shumpter had eliminated Illinois from his list of schools but now I can't find the article.

The roster was stacked, whether the rankings indicated it was or not. It would still be stacked if Self was still at Illinois. Would have had Collins, Wright, etc.

That said, is this poster saying Self is a cheater at Kansas, but wasn't at Illinois, or both? Self doesn't cheat. I'm tired of the paranoia that my bretheren have. There is always a conspiracy.

Self recruits and Weber coaches. The idea that Bill is as good a good as Bruce is ridiculous. Had he had the 2005 team there would have been no Final 4. He has had more talent at Kansas than any team [except 89] has ever had at Illinois at what does he have to show for it. An Elite 8, 2 super chokes, and conference titles that involve beating the likes of Colorado, Nebraska, and Iowa State twice a year. WOW! Even if he recruited stars to Illinois he never would have won anything. The fact of the matter is that Weber isn't a great recruiter and Chicago kids are some of the dumbest in the country, with no loyalty and no idea of what will get them to the NBA.

Good Point BJA!!!! I THINK IT IS A SHAME THAT CHICAGO KIDS ARE GOING OUT OF OF THE HOME STATE. HOWEVER, IF WEBER JUST DECIDES TO RECRUIT JUST OUT OF STATE OR DOWNSTATE KIDS, THAN THE PUBLIC, PRIVATE, SUBURBAN AND CATHOLIC SCHOOL LEAGUES WOULD BE UP IN ARMS.

Whoever the person is that posts comments under the name Ball has written the perfect comment. He couldn't be more direct and fair while being rude but right. Thanks Ball, you summed it up perfectly. I'd rather watch an above average group of players play better in Weber's system than a bunch of super talented players play decent for Self's system.

Illini fans are ridiculous. Loyalty? How many CPS students are at U of I? You constantly harp on loyalty like the CPS is the Developmental league for U of I. Have you ever thought that maybe the best thing for these kids that come from rough neighborhoods w/ people that want to use them around every corner, would be to get a little distance between them and their hometown? Or in the case of the real good players - Derrick Rose, for instance - go to a system where they'll be able to sharpen their skills and be NBA ready a little faster. And will someone please explain why Bill Self is a "cheater." Like always, it just sounds like 'sour grapes' from the state's whiniest fan base.