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Teachers union rips idea of arming teachers, asks how any "sane person" could suggest that

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SPRINGFIELD-The state's largest teachers union Tuesday ridiculed an idea floated by the head of an Illinois gun-rights group to allow educators to carry weapons to makes schools safer and perhaps prevent a Newtown massacre from happening here.

"It's ridiculous to think bringing guns into a school or classroom would somehow make that area safer," said Charlie McBarron, a spokesman for the Illinois Education Association. "It's hard to understand how a sane person could make that serious suggestion."

On Monday, the head of the Illinois State Rifle Association said he would favor legislation that would permit school boards to authorize principals, teachers and even custodial employees to carry weapons in the classroom if they underwent training.


Richard Pearson, the group's executive director, told the Chicago Sun-Times that all Illinois schools should have an armed security guard at a minimum and that arming school staff might have stopped the Connecticut shootings.

"Had there been a teacher who was armed, this wouldn't have happened," Pearson said.

But McBarron said it's vital to ensure that schools are secure, and that means no tolerance for drugs or guns of any kind.

"Schools are a safe place. Bringing weapons into school would make them less so," McBarron said. "To suggest otherwise is disingenuous."


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Um, schools are not a safe place. Don't bring a pencil to a gun fight.

It is time to take your head out of the sand. Schools, churches, college campuses, shopping malls, are all gun free zones and is the prime reason why they are the locations for these mass shootings. I guarantee you that there are teachers in every school in states that allow conceal carry that already have permits and would carry if they were allowed. To say schools are safe places and adding guns would make them unsafe is just plain naive. Tell them the school in CT is safe.

I completely agree with the ISRA. There should be a public safety tax on gun and ammunition purchases as well as fee increases for FOID cards to pay for all of the additional public safety precautions and mental health expenses we will need to implement to keep our kids safe as long as the Supreme Court keeps interpreting the 2nd Amendment to allow these types of school rampages. We also need to impose insurance requirements and a "standard of care" on all businesses doing business with the public to have expert armed safety personal on hand during business hours and to provide financial recourse in case you or your loved ones are injured by a gunman at a place of business. I hope the ISRA will lead the way in implementing these changes rather than fighting to allow nuts to use the 2nd amendment to massacre children.

They have police officers in some high schools, what is this fear about guns? I was in the Marine Corps, firearms training doesn't get much better than what we had, especially where safe handling is concerned, but from what I know of civilian training courses, you can training that is at the same level and be perfectly safe. If you keep a gun in a holster, the trigger cannot be actuated and it will not go off, that's all there is to it. When you de-holster and present your weapon, you keep your finger straight and off the trigger, you never let the muzzle point towards anything you don't intend to shoot, you always treat the gun as if it were loaded, very simple rules that will prevent dangerous accidents. People who haven't been around guns tend to be very fearful of them, which is understandable, but that fear oftentimes goes way too far. Even if those of you who would like to see all guns banned got your wish, how long do you think it would take before we actually had a gun-free society where no one could get their hands on them? It would take a long time. So even your greatest dream could not bring safety next year, or even next week, what do we do to protect our kids? There is only one way to assure that there is a clear defense and that is to allow teachers and staff to be armed, they must have training, but let them be armed.

Funny, Isreal arms their teachers and school shootings have come to a complete stop.192 shootings in Chicago in the month of November - a 49 percent increase from a year earlier - according to police records obtained by the Chicago Tribune. Thats how Chicagos strict gun laws are working for them!!! Look it up , November 2011 there were 129 shootings this November 192 it went up by 11%. Guns don't kill people, people kill people and taking guns from innocent people dosen't protect innocent people!!!Liberals like Chuck Schummer from New York, Biggest Anti Gun legislator ever. (HAS A CONCEALED CARRY). What makes him better then us? Mental Illness Control is what is really needed! Even Psychiatrists admit that mental illness is a "stigma" and the politicians refuse to address the issue ! The gun was just the means to carry out the act. Timothy Mcveigh used a bomb, the same day chinese dude stabbed 20 kids. That is the problem with the Left. They dont want to address the real issues. They use this as a rallying cry to a cause. I say their is too many abortions which kill hundreds of thousands of children each year. But I know it's a right that is giving by Law. You cant pick and choose which right is good and what right is bad. Liberal Ideas DO NOT WORK.

Clinton enacted an assault weapons ban from 1994-2004, here's the results:
11/15/95 - Lynville, Tn School shooting
2/2/96 - Moses Lake, Wa School shooting
2/19/97 - Bethel, Ak School shooting
10/1/97 - Pearl, Ms School shooting
12/1/97 - West Paducah, Ky School shooting
4/24/98 - Edinboro, Pa School shooting
5/21/98 - Springfield, Or School shooting
4/20/99 - Columbine, Co School shooting
5/20/99 - Conyers, Ga School shooting
11/2/99 - Honolulu, Hi Office Shooting
12/26/00 - Wakefield, Ma Office Shooting
3/5/01 - Santee, Ca School Shooting
3/22/01 El Cajon, Ca School Shooting
1/16/02 Grundy, Va College Shooting
4/14/03 New Orleans, La School Shooting

Criminals are looking for the easiest targets. Movie Theaters, Malls and Schools with the title of "No Gun Zones' are easy pickings, they know there will be no resistance to whatever they want to do. "IF" that term would have never been used, and ADVERTISED that no guns would be allowed in those areas, they criminals would most likely not have risked it.

Armed Off-Duty and/or retired Police Officers have been used effectively in the past, I would assume a properly trained staff member could be just as effective. Remember the ending may have been much different at Sandy Hook Elementary School had an armed officer or staff member been on the scene when the shooting started, vs having to wait for the officers to show up after the crime has been committed. That's their normal routine, and why concealed carry is necessary for self protection.

CNN News Timeline states that from the first call to 911 until the Police arrived was 20 minutes. 20 MINUTES? That's a crime in itself, we're lucky more children weren't lost.

Mr. McBarron needs to wake up! What does he think should be done to protect our Kurds? What about war veterans that need jobs? Let them guard our schools.

"It's ridiculous to think bringing guns into a school or classroom would somehow make that area safer," said Charlie McBarron, a spokesman for the Illinois Education Association.

It's worked in Israel for decades. But you're right, Charlie - IL teachers are nowhere near as smart as Israeli teachers. After all, they're union.

Of course they don't want guns in the classroom. They want to keep them outside on the streets, and continue to blame violence and poverty on their lack of ability to teach the students they claim to care so much about. Maybe if we had better schools and educators....

People who think the "POLICE" can do a sufficient job of protecting our children in school, need to check the data at CNN regarding the timeline of what happened. From the time the first 911 call came in, reporting a shooting, until the first police arrived on scene, iwas 20 MINUTES! The type of gun or even if it needed a gun with that much time makes no difference. That is unacceptable in my opinion. There needs to be swifter response when children are involved.

McBarron is the one who's disingenuous. Until the social problem created by the current social liberals has been turned around, a trained, armed security officer should be in certain schools. Particularly the ones in the blighted neighborhoods of Chicago.

"Schools are a safe place. Bringing weapons into school would make them less so," McBarron said.

"It's hard to understand how a sane person could make that statement."

Its already being done in the great State of Texas! Texas gets it right! Illinois has been on the wrong side of the 8 ball all along!

HELLO,
AFTER BEING INVOLVED IN LAW ENFORCEMENT FOR 30 YEARS, I FEEL IT GIVES ME THE EXPERTISE TO COMMENT ON THIS ISSUE. IT'S QUITE OBVIOUS THAT MR. McBARRON HAS A LIBERAL MINDSET AS WELL AS LEADING A VERY SHELTERED LIFE, ALWAYS BEING PROTECTED BY SOMEONE/SOMETHING. AS
FAR AS MAKING THE COMMENTS HE MADE THEY ARE BASELESS. WHO, IF ANYONE COULD (OR WOULD) HE PROTECT IN A SIMILAR SITUATION ?
I TOTALY AGREE THAT THE SITUATION IN NEWTON WAS A VERY SADDENING EVENT AND NEVER SHOULD HAVE HAPPENED. I ALSO FEEL THE MEDIA SHOULD NOT SENSATIONALIZE SUCH EVENTS, AS THEY PLANT SIMILAR SEEDS IN THE SICK MINDS OF INDIVIDUALS OF THE SAME MIND SET.
I SINCERELY FEEL THAT MR.PEARSON'S VIEW IS ONE THAT SHOULD BE SERIOUSLY CONSIDERED. HAD A FEW OF THE SCHOOL EMPLOYEES HAD A FIREARM, WERE ADEQUITLY TRAINED IN THEIR SAFETY AND USE (POLICE TRAINING), AND THE "FIGHT" INSTEAD OF "FLIGHT" ATTITUDE, SEVERAL......AND I DO MEAN SEVERAL LIVES COULD HAVE BEEN SAVED !
I HAVE A VERY CLOSE FRIEND WHOSE SON WAS TEACHING AT NORTHERN IILLINOIS UUNIVERSITY, WORKING ON HIS DOCTORATE DEGREE. THIS WAS IN 2008 WHEN THE SHOOTING OCCURED ON CAMPUS........ HE WAS SHOT ! ! ! BEING FAMILIAR AND PROFICIENT WITH FIREARMS HE SAID IF HE HAD BEEN ARMED (IN ILL. "RIGHT") HE FELT HE WOULD HAVE BEEN ABLE TO SAVE THE LIVES OF SOME OF THE HOMICIDE VICTIMS....... BELIEVE IT OR NOT.

Mr. McBarron is certainly NOT speaking for the entire membership of the IEA! I'll be taking this up with my local leadership soon, but anyway....

As a teacher, I do see students that are disruptive to classes and exhibit violent tendencies. Often, when these are pointed out to admin. we are told that they must be allowed in the classroom and we are to respect their "differences". Never mind that they are causing distractions to other students and are, at times, making their peers nervous and concerned.

I'm the IEA and I support discretely arming teachers that volunteer for such duty as they do in some districts in Texas (with good results). I think that if Mr. McBarron were to survey the actual membership of the IEA he might be surprised that he is not speaking for the majority.

Lanza shot his way into Sandy Hook and the "armed guard" would have been dead in the first assault. if you don't know the State of Illinois is laying off teachers so who will pay for the security costs. It is insane to make the schools look like prisons--next thing we know the gun nuts will want rabid guard dogs.

the issue is weapons made for the sole purpose of rapid fire killing fields. Most deer don't take 11 bullets like the bodies of those 6 and 7 year olds.

Arming teachers( (even if trained and "discrete")) creates a problem of security in the school itself to insure that some child does not use or find the teacher's gun.

The goal is to create a safe learning environment, not a military-like one.

Sadly, we must have this debate every time a tragedy occurs; the gun control crowd reflexively regurgitate and reiterate their not only ineffective, but maddeningly counter-productive "solution", which is to disarm the "good guys". The proof, if anything more than common sense is needed, was demonstrated in Pearl, Mississippi several years ago. The loss of life in that situation would have been far greater were it not for a teacher in that school, running to his car, retrieving his handgun, and returning to confront and stop the killer before he could continue what would have remained an unchallenged killing spree. Virtually all of the media meticulously scrubbed any mention of a firearm being used to quickly end what most certainly would have been a far worse tragedy, vaguely stating that the killer was simply stopped or apprehended by the teacher.

I, for one, am fed up with, and sickened by these fools who seek to put guns and gun owners on the defensive, when in reality, it is precisely the criminally misguided policies that they espouse that allows the deadliness of a madman's actions to be compounded exponentially by eliminating the possibility of any defense.

The longer we continue to entertain the utopian delusions of these foolhardy miscreants instead of adopting serious policies that provide real defense for the defenseless, we will have learned nothing from these senseless tragedies.

Sadly, we must have this debate every time a tragedy occurs; the gun control crowd reflexively regurgitate and reiterate their not only ineffective, but maddeningly counter-productive "solution", which is to disarm the "good guys". The proof, if anything more than common sense is needed, was demonstrated in Pearl, Mississippi several years ago. The loss of life in that situation would have been far greater were it not for a teacher in that school, running to his car, retrieving his handgun, and returning to confront and stop the killer before he could continue what would have remained an unchallenged killing spree. Virtually all of the media meticulously scrubbed any mention of a firearm being used to quickly end what most certainly would have been a far worse tragedy, vaguely stating that the killer was simply stopped or apprehended by the teacher.

I, for one, am fed up with, and sickened by these fools who seek to put guns and gun owners on the defensive, when in reality, it is precisely the criminally misguided policies that they espouse that allows the deadliness of a madman's actions to be compounded exponentially by eliminating the possibility of any defense.

The longer we continue to entertain the utopian delusions of these foolhardy miscreants instead of adopting serious policies that provide real defense for the defenseless, we will have learned nothing from these senseless tragedies.

11000 deaths by gunfire annually and the ISRA position is more gunfire? Make us like Texas? Okay, so explain to me why we need automatic weapons and "supersized" magazines among the civilian population?

I agree with your comments. The time has come to start keeping each other safe.

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After completing the training course, school will give you a security guard license application form which is of great importance.

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