Bloody fight in Durkin Park - A matter of race?

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Chicago police put two dispatchers on leave while investigators try to figure out why it took almost a half hour to respond to a 911 call of an assault in progress at Durking Park in Scottsdale last weekend.

The clash between black kids and a group of white and Hispanic kids in the 8400 block of South Kolin sent nine people to hospitals, one boy was beaten into a coma. Neighborhood folks concerned about the slow response by police.

Columnist Mary Mitchell wrote today that this brawl may have been caused by the imaginary racial boundaries in neighborhoods that are friction points for this kind of violence, and always have been in Chicago.

What's your take on these invisible ines — certain streets, railroad tracks and highways — that divide neighborhood demographics by black, white and Hispanic?

Post your stories of how our still segregated city -- and these racial boundary lines -- affect your life?


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I tink that is a matter of race and the fact that the police dont already see that is crazy.Now someones child lays in a hospital bed in a coma.The police are the very people who are suppose to protect us not hurt us.This is not right and somebody should have to pay the price.I think both dispatchers should be fired.As far as my life,I have a seven yaer old child who cant understand why white kids at school wont play with him.Need i say anymore!!!!!

I tink that is a matter of race and the fact that the police dont already see that is crazy.Now someones child lays in a hospital bed in a coma.The police are the very people who are suppose to protect us not hurt us.This is not right and somebody should have to pay the price.I think both dispatchers should be fired.As far as my life,I have a seven yaer old child who cant understand why white kids at school wont play with him.Need i say anymore!!!!!

I grew up in the Scottsdale neighborhood and played in Durkin Park through high school. My mom worked for Richard Daley Senior, and retired under the current Mayor Daley. I now reside in San Diego, CA. My sister in-law was hit by that 15 year old lost soul who crashed into the crowd on Sat. night. My 7 year old niece and 14 year old nephew were nearly hit as they watched their loving mother be run over. Four of my six brothers and sisters work for the city, and are forced to live in the city of Chicago. This, from my view point seems unconstitutional, as I live in a safe suburb near many neighbors that work for the San Diego Police Department. Durkin Park is in a strong Catholic neighborhood. Most of those injured in this tragic incident are being raised by hard working parents, with strong Religious values. This is not about "racial boundaries." This is about young criminals who lack any morals, values or family structure, coming into a good family neighborhood and commiting horrific crimes; regardless of the color of their skin. If the city workers are going to be forced to live in the city, the police need to protect them better. The long term physical, emotional, and financial trauma to those affected needs to be considered when punishing these criminals.

I grew up in the Scottsdale neighborhood and played in Durkin Park through high school. My mom worked for Richard Daley Senior, and retired under the current Mayor Daley. I now reside in San Diego, CA. My sister in-law was hit by that 15 year old lost soul who crashed into the crowd on Sat. night. My 7 year old niece and 14 year old nephew were nearly hit as they watched their loving mother be run over. Four of my six brothers and sisters work for the city, and are forced to live in the city of Chicago. This, from my view point seems unconstitutional, as I live in a safe suburb near many neighbors that work for the San Diego Police Department. Durkin Park is in a strong Catholic neighborhood. Most of those injured in this tragic incident are being raised by hard working parents, with strong Religious values. This is not about "racial boundaries." This is about young criminals who lack any morals, values or family structure, coming into a good family neighborhood and commiting horrific crimes; regardless of the color of their skin. If the city workers are going to be forced to live in the city, the police need to protect them better. The long term physical, emotional, and financial trauma to those affected needs to be considered when punishing these criminals.

I grew up in the Scottsdale neighborhood and played in Durkin Park through high school. My mom worked for Richard Daley Senior, and retired under the current Mayor Daley. I now reside in San Diego, CA. My sister in-law was hit by that 15 year old lost soul who crashed into the crowd on Sat. night. My 7 year old niece and 14 year old nephew were nearly hit as they watched their loving mother be run over. Four of my six brothers and sisters work for the city, and are forced to live in the city of Chicago. This, from my view point seems unconstitutional, as I live in a safe suburb near many neighbors that work for the San Diego Police Department. Durkin Park is in a strong Catholic neighborhood. Most of those injured in this tragic incident are being raised by hard working parents, with strong Religious values. This is not about "racial boundaries." This is about young criminals who lack any morals, values or family structure, coming into a good family neighborhood and commiting horrific crimes; regardless of the color of their skin. If the city workers are going to be forced to live in the city, the police need to protect them better. The long term physical, emotional, and financial trauma to those affected needs to be considered when punishing these criminals.

Everyone involved in this incident made the wrong choices. If you have an angry mob standing outside you front door, do not try to reason with them. Get in the car and drive to the nearest police station.

"Shortly after that, a 15-year-old black teen who was visiting from Mississippi and was not involved in the fight was confronted by a group of white and Hispanic teens in the same park. The 15-year-old ran to a nearby home and called his sister, who told him to go to her SUV. The sister then went into the park and tried to talk to the group of whites and Hispanics."

"Pretty soon, a crowd of Hispanics and whites had gathered around the girl. The 15-year-old brother then drove the SUV into the crowd, apparently in a desperate attempt to protect his sister."

It's very interesting that you left these parts out Colleen. Maybe if these individuals hadn't assembled themselves into an imposing mob they wouldn't have been so easy to hit.

"This is not about "racial boundaries." This is about young criminals who lack any morals, values or family structure, coming into a good family neighborhood and commiting horrific crimes; regardless of the color of their skin."

Black parents work hard too. Black children have strong religious values too. You can stop with the coded language now, it's so 1940's.

If it is our wish to discuss trauma, then why don't we discuss the systematic program of harassment that has been targeted against Chicago's poor black residents ever since Chicago won the Olympic bid.

Black residents who are purely minding their own business are being stared down in the street, threatened by cars and being targeted with offensive gestures and noises. Why aren't the cops protecting these people? Why hasn't the news media reported this? They see what's happening.

I agree with the last comment above by the anonymous poster, its not that white families are being targeted by black kids with no values, the main problem is that Chicago has long been the most segregated city in the United States. The city of Chicago has caused this problem to occur and racial tensions will continue to plague our city. Its sad that black residents,white residents, adn hispanic residents all live in seperate neighborhoods in the city. In New York, Hispanics and blacks live among each other. In Chicago, Hispanics and blacks cant stand each other, and a black will not dare walk in communities like Humble Park or Little Village because of fear of Violence that will occur. The main problem is that the White community has long neglected African Americans and Hispanics in the City of Chicago. As we all know the minority races still has very little power in our city government, and racial tensions will continue to occur because the white community has pitted hatred among all races. One important thing to remember is that the minorities didn't start segregation, the white community started this horrific crime, and now they must lay in the bed that they made.

I still can not figure out why they keep saying the 15 year old driver that drove into the crowd was being chased and his sister was having problems everyone was to bust tenting to the neighborhood boy hurt on the ground. Thats why the people got hit by the car!! The boy turned the car lights off and drove into the crowd! Also now we hear that a when the few car loads of boys got out of their cars with bats and pipes in their hand a call was made to the police before the beating even happened. What is up with that. The police didn't think intent to kill with a weapon was not a stong enough concern for protection. The child that was in the coma may not ever have hearing in his ear and what about his future in football. Why didn't they charge any of the kids who committed the crimes. Wow now the government is telling all of us we can take a 3000lb weapon and use to for anything. Even if it is used to protect our self after committing a crime!!!!

"Maybe if these individuals hadn't assembled themselves into an imposing mob they wouldn't have been so easy to hit."

ARE YOU KIDDING ME? People standing around trying to help an unconscious boy does not make it okay for some kid to drive a car at them! Even if they weren't standing over the kid...NOBODY has a right to drive a car into a group of people!

I grew up in that neighborhood, and 7 years ago I was nearly hospitalized by racial attack. I think the world needs to realize that hate crimes can happen to ANYONE...they don't only apply to minorities...

First of all, I live in scottsdale. There is a mix of white, hispanic and black. The fact is Durkin Park has always been trouble. People in the neighborhood can not go and enjoy their own park, because mainly the blacks who do go there start trouble with the people who live in the area. I am not racists, but I feel that if you do not live in the area, yet love to go in soemone else's area to play basketball you should have the deciency to respect the park, neighborhood and the people. But they don't. Scottsdale is a quiet neighborhood and we want it kept that way, if you want trouble stay in your own neighborhood!

If the crowd of people had simply gathered around the boy to protect him, he would have been run over by the SUV when it was driven through the crowd. That didn't happen. The driver will be convicted and sentenced. He had nothing to do with the earlier fight. Not all blacks know each other.

It might be a hate crime?

If the white kids attacked the black kids, this would be on the front page as a racial attack.

We all know this to be true.

This is what we on the southwest side need to do:

1.I think the white liberal journalists in the news media should be stalked and killed. No big loss.They dont stand up for white peoples rights.

2.White people should use this incident to teach their kids to stick together and that the multiculturalism/diversity crap that they are taught in school is bullshit.

3.White kids should carry knives and/or guns. Why not? The other kids have them.

The most disturbing part of this story is that the black teens that put the boy in the coma still have not been charged even though they have been indentified in a lineup by more than one witness. Also enough of this 15 yr old being an innocent victim. What was a 15 yr old boy from Mississippi, doing walking about 50 blocks away from his guardians house, alone, @ 10:30 @ night anyway. Isn't it starnge that he just happened to be there by himself. Or maybe the real reason he was there was because he was left behind when the car full of the attackers left him behind as numerous witness can testify to. I hope someone gets to the bottom of this and finds out exactly who his guardians in chicago are, or better yet who are the related to, that has enough juice with the chicago police department for them to look the other way and not charge him with attempted murder of 7 people.
There's a bigger story here and hopefully someone can find the answers soon before more people get hurt or even worse.

I been around the Southwest Side a long time. I'm also white. T-Bone's words irk me. But so do the words of Anonymous and Karlton Knox. My cousins actually grew up around the corner from Durkin Park. Yeah, it was pretty white then. Recently, the neighborhood has changed skin. As St. Thomas Moore and St. Denis (both to the east) have turned black, it was only a matter of time before St. Bede turned into something other than Irish city workers. And that's fine. The houses in the neighborhood still look great. People work to keep up their property. They're small houses, but all that matters is they take care of them. And they - black, brown, Irish - do. But a lot of their kids suck. It's the kids who are destroying these neighborhoods, because they have no respect. They're completely fucking their parents.

I was at a stoplight today at 87th & Western. My window was open. Some kid leaned in and says "hey pop, how 'bout helpin' me outs?" He was wearing a Nike chain of some sort, a cotton white T, and had no identification as to who he was with. I told him no and he got pissed and walked away, but when he did, his stupid fucking chain swung like the arm of a clock and hit my 18 year old car. I yelled at him and he came back and LEANED IN MY WINDOW AGAIN (not invited, mind you). I said to him "little boss man, if you're going to ask people for money without rendering any kind of service, you probably shouldn't chip the paint off people's cars." He looks at me and says "who?" I say "you." "Hah?" "Your chain. Your chain swung, hit my car, probably chipped the paint off of it. I'm not sure, I haven't checked yet." He got all pissed and walked away. I called him an a-hole.

To me, it's not about race. Neighborhoods change tones. It's a fact of life. It's this entitlement bullsh%t where people act like they are owed something just because somebody wronged them. If I expected something every time somebody wronged me because of my skin color, I'd be a very dissappointed person (this goes for white people too). It's sad that Chicago is as segregated as it is, but at this point, there's enough blame to go around each and every lot. St. Bede had a chance to make it through. It's not often you see people from three groups - NO FOUR, IF YOU INCLUDE THE ARABS - living amongst one another with the same goal in mind. Unfortunately, these kids are really screwing things up.

How can the person that we call the mayor go on t.v. and say that the boy driving the car through the crowd of people is innocent? The Mayor is obviously trying to keep his votes for the next round of elections in a few years. I feel that he should take back the words he used and find some better language and not defend the criminals that committed these awful crimes. Some of the victims of this incident have parents that work for the city and i do not know how they could ever want to work for a man that clearly does not understand what an act of violence with intent means. I grew up in the durkin park neighborhood and just within the last year moved. I still go back their almost on a daily basis. I know the victims and their families and to think that our own mayor does not have the backs of the people that make his city work, disgusts me.

Hey Anonymous- oh I'm sorry, 9:26am anonymous. Were you there at Durkin Park that night. My family was. You're totally wrong on the facts; and even if you weren't, what your saying is that it is ok that someone drives a car into a group of people? "An imposing mob?" Are you totally jaded from living in the city too long, or just insane? I also am very aware that black children come from good homes too. I live amongst all "colors"- on my street even; AND my daughters best friend is black, and her dad is in the FBI. Oooh... Not very 1940s is it? - Get over your own personal predudices and "eye for an eye" beliefs and focus on THIS case. Then, maybe you can all heal and move on some day. -Oh...and not be so afraid to use your own name. Colleen

"One important thing to remember is that the minorities didn't start segregation, the white community started this horrific crime, and now they must lay in the bed that they made."

No person deserves to be beaten into a coma or run over.

"Get over your own personal predudices and "eye for an eye" beliefs and focus on THIS case."

I've been very careful to keep my judgments clear and focused, on each issue. There is more than one issue at work here.

"White people should use this incident to teach their kids to stick together and that the multiculturalism/diversity crap that they are taught in school is bullshit."

Au contraire, without multi-culturalism/diversity the little white boys wouldn't have had their hispanic friends to back them up.

"what your saying is that it is ok that someone drives a car into a group of people?"

I said that this child will be convicted and sentenced for his crime. There is no need to argue criminal intent.

"use your own name"

You could figure out who I am in less than a minute if you wanted to. I'm not going to make it easy for you. I've met enough people like t-bone both online and in person to know better than to share too much.

"The Mayor is obviously trying to keep his votes for the next round of elections in a few years."

If memory serves me, Mr. Daley just won re-election earlier this year; which means he would be the least likely to pander to voters, having a full four years to win them back.

"Were you there at Durkin Park that night. My family was."

I don't have to be everywhere at once. Due to the joys of reading comprehension, I can learn from many different sources from all over the globe.

You haven't been to every country on Earth and met each person. You haven't traveled outside of the Earth's atmosphere. How do you know that these things exist?

The points is that when people like Colleen print lies and partial
information in the news media, that action has physical consequences in the real world. I've seen it first hand. People should take responsibility for what they put out. If you don't want to print the whole story, just don't print anything.

"1.I think the white liberal journalists in the news media should be stalked and killed. No big loss.They dont stand up for white peoples rights."

And the conservative news media; what do they stand up for? Border security? No. Efficient government? No. States' rights? Hell no.

"If the white kids attacked the black kids, this would be on the front page as a racial attack."

Being on the front page or being called a racial attack will not add years in sentencing. You should only whine about things that are important. Theoretically a daily newspaper would produce 365 front pages per year, most of them featuring Paris Hilton.


I'm very upset about the fact that a crime was committed and people are trying to cover it up with racial issues. First of all, I'm 100% African American and so is my son, we are a part of the St.Bede parrish and have been for over 5 years. Speaking from my experience here at Scottsdale area we have never been discriminated against because of our skin color, if anything we have been welcomed by everyone since day one. I have always taught my son to judge people by their character not their skin color. I grew to believe alot of parents did the same thing seeing his best friends are white and hispanic. I often think back to the day everything happen and my son was suppose to go to the victory celebration for the Scottsdale All-star team after winning the championship with Worth (normally, this is what we do celebrate with any scottsdale teams after winning in another area), now I don't care what the race of the child was if my son was brutally attack or hit by a car by someone I would want that person to be charged to fullest and believe me so would all of you. So, please stop making it a racial issue because it's not it is about right and wrong. My question being to anyone who knows so much and feel as though this boy driving a car into a crowd was innocent(thank God my black son was not in the crowd because I would not be so nice) who's house was the kid going to? Why did his sister drop him off at the park in the first place? Something just don't make sense, now we have a young boy beaten badly, a mother having surgery on her shoulder and people walking around on crutches and the people responsible for this walking around free. IT'S NOT RIGHT...if you did the crime do the time. I am a stong beliver in karma so believe me what goes around comes around.

At the meeting this young lady stood up and said the community need activities for the kids, I must comment because I'm running all the time because of organized sports for the kids in this community. Durkin Park is a family not just a park, as anywhere or anybody if you're intentions are in the right place you will fit right in. Kids first. I fit in and so did my son. Never felt like an outsider because I'm not I'm with family of all different kinds so once again, PLEASE STOP SCREAMING RACE it's insulting in this siutation.
Mrs. Jackson/CJ's mom

LIKE TO BE ACCEPTED INTO BLOGS NEED TO SPEAK, DURKIN PARK.

THIS ANONYMOUS GUY IS SADISTIC,YOU NEED MEDS OR YOU GET THE HELL OUT OF THE 1940'S CODE TALKER

whats up right and wrong? whats burning you so, i want you to talk to!

iam a retired chicago police officer,from the district durkin park is in. my sister-in-law was one of the injured. i have friends,the police, who have personal knowledge of what happened,in the police station,they were told by some, not all,of the bosses,that it would be a good idea not to talk about,or give any statements. WHY NOT...if this had been white on black,it would have been a "HATE CRIME" and someone would have been charged.the two black detectives, states attorneys and bosses would have been compelled to charge someone with more than traffic citations,and released to his grandma and wisked off to mississippi, does anyone really think this kid will be back for court.. the veh. that left him there was seen several times,driving around the park, maybe looking for a loner to beat.
this hole incident needs to be looked at again,but by who...

FBI

This beating was not about race. Some gang members (which just happen to be black) attacked Richie Valdez and beat him in to a coma. The 15-year-old was left behind by the thugs. He was no innocent and was chased in to a house because he was part of the mob that attacked Richie. He "called his sister" and asked for more "GDs" to return. What do you think that means? Maybe the kids that supposedly chased him used a racial epithet, but are you surprised given the circumstances? Their friend was beaten in to a coma. His sister was not in the middle of a crowd. He was kicked out of the house he ran to because he called for reinforcments. He got into his sisters vehicle, turned off the lights and drove in to a crowd of people standing on Kolin Ave. with the fire department trying to attend to Richie. He didn't hit the brakes, he was speeding in the opposite direction of his sister in to the crowd. Does that sound like an innocent person? Elias was right, he tried to kill those people. Including the people that initially took him in and then had to kick him out. We don't want drug dealers, homeless, child molestors and/or gang members in our neighborhood. The heck with that mess. This is a nice neighborhood of all ethnicities and we all have the same story--we called and the police didn't respond no matter our color, etc.

This is my last comment; and I too will move on toward toward healing with my family. However, as a graduate of St. Bede, and an out of state sister and daughter of my family still living in Scottsdale, I want to pose a challenge to all Chicagoans. I challenge you to use this and other events to demand new leaders, and a cap on political terms. Mayor Daley has been in office for 30 some years. Now THAT is insane. There are term limits in all major and minor cities for a reason. In many ways, Chicago is not living in the 21st century. It's the same old politics, corruption, and acceptance by the people; because "oh well...that 's the way it's always been." I hear that from my family all of the time. All major change in America happened under assertive and true leadership. It's wrong to continue any other way. People can't grow without choice. In Chicago, you are FORCED to live in the city if you work for the city; not to mention the intimidation at the poles as a city worker during elections. The control and lack of choice is like an abusive relationship; leading to spite and resentment from the residents. The above blogs are evident of this. Inspirational writer and psychologist Wayne Dyer wrote "every obstacle on this planet is either an oppotunity to grow and think differently, or an excuse to believe that we're stuck." You're not STUCK in the old ways of Chicago. Demand change for the better now. Lastly, thank you to CJ's mom for your words. I'm proud that you're living in my old parish. Looks like we know the same wonderful mom that was hit by that car too. She, by the way, is greatful to be alive and is charishing every moment as she heals.

amen to all , no people are allowed in our neighborhood if you want trouble. peace rally for all.

I wasn't at Durkin Park! Don't have a kid in a coma! But as a cop I've had to deal with black gangs, white gangs, and hispanic gangs, and racist. They all have one thing in common. Stupidity!! And they make up a small percentage of each race. They need help, need their butts whipped, all the above. But so do we all! The stereotypes, the judgements, protecting bad a** kids, all wrong!! Who has ever went to church and heard the pastor condemn people for using sterotypes, probably never. How often do we assume a child molester is a white male? Black people always do! If someone is robbed, white folks think is was black man! But we except these things all the time. We are all racist. We are all stupid. And if you aren't doing anything about it personally, your oppinion doesn't matter.

to 'Anonymous | July 20, 2007 09:26 AM' you stated that
" 'Shortly after that, a 15-year-old black teen who was visiting from Mississippi and was not involved in the fight was confronted by a group of white and Hispanic teens in the same park. The 15-year-old ran to a nearby home and called his sister, who told him to go to her SUV. The sister then went into the park and tried to talk to the group of whites and Hispanics.'

'Pretty soon, a crowd of Hispanics and whites had gathered around the girl. The 15-year-old brother then drove the SUV into the crowd, apparently in a desperate attempt to protect his sister.'

It's very interesting that you left these parts out Colleen.
Maybe if these individuals hadn't assembled themselves into an imposing mob they wouldn't have been so easy to hit. "

i strongly disagree with you. none of that is correct. of course colleen would leave those parts out because THEY ARE NOT TRUE!! that 15 year old WAS involved in the fight. when all the GD's ran back to their cars to leave he was left behing.he came to the park with them to beat up Richie. his sister never went to the park to talk to the kids. she was standing on the corner nearly a block away talking with the people who's house her younger brother was previously at. while she was talking with this women the 15 year old jumped in his sister's car (which is not an SUV) proceeded to turn the car, on turn off the lights and drive down the block at a high speed and vier the car off the road to deliberatly hit the crowd that had formed around richie. he was not trying to protect his sister his sister was nearly a block away standing on the corner talking with this women.

i bit of advise...
try not to run your mouth off when you don't have all the correct information.

I am sorry, but if you don't think this is a matter or race, you have lost your mind. I know a few people from the southside and what some of their siblings and friends have said about blacks and hispanics is absolutely appaling and disgusting. I can't even believe this article didn't have some sort of front page presence. I am sorry again, but because some unlucky rich schmuck took a baseball to the head, doesn't mean he should be on the front page. If what I am hearing is correct, they attempted to "curb" the child but failed as he pulled his away a head only to have his jaw smashed.

I am sorry again, but it is no lie when you say the whites protec the whites in the southside. There is, with out a doubt in my head, that these "white" kids responsible for the fight probably had parents that work as area police officers, and maybe even an aunt or uncle on the dispatcher side.

I was not there, I don't live there, I live in Pilsen. However, I HEARD from someone about these events, and apparently it looks like what he said was true.

Anonymous | August 1, 2007 04:43 PM
first of all...
"I am sorry, but if you don't think this is a matter or race, you have lost your mind."
you are correct it is not a matter of race it is a matter of kids that are not from this neighborhood came in and attacked the kids that are from this neighborhood. the kids that came into this neighborhood are infact a gang. they came to the neighborhood to take control of durkin park. durkin park has no gang that 'owns' it so they came in to try and take it.
second of all...
"I am sorry again, but because some unlucky rich schmuck took a baseball to the head, doesn't mean he should be on the front page."
This kid that was in a coma was not just unlucky they purposely picked him out. the gang picked to beat him up. they planned it. you don't bring bats and pipes up to a park and pick someone out to beat up. no they already knew that they wanted him. why only a few people know.
third of all...
"I am sorry again, but it is no lie when you say the whites protect the whites in the southside."
in this case that is untrue. the area where this incident took place is a VERY bi-racial community. i have lived here all my life. maybe back in the 60's yes this was a racist community but not anymore. the kids in this community go to school together,play sports together and work together.'In durkin we are not just friends we are FAMILY'. this is true no matter what color you happen to be. look at our sports teams they are ever color, look at our schools they are every different color. this is not race. i will say it again it is about a gang wanting to take over durkin park.
and last but not least...
"There is, with out a doubt in my head, that these "white" kids responsible for the fight probably had parents that work as area police officers, and maybe even an aunt or uncle on the dispatcher side"
the 'white' kids were not responsible for this fight the gang was and no matter how people try to put it. the gang came into out community to try and take over durkin park and that is it. yes i am sure that some of the kids that were injured have parents that are police officers or people that work for the city of some sort. but the city workers have to live in the city no matter what your job is if you are a police officer, fire fighter, or work for streets and sanitation. they have to live in the city. and the scottsdale neighborhood is a very good place to live and raise a family if you have to live in the city. it is right off the city border of 87th and cicero. you have to live in the city. scottsdale is one of the good places to live in the city if you have a family. so it doesn't matter if the kids that were injured have parents that are police officers. that is actually a good thing that some of the kids injured have parents that are cops. because the first cop that was on the scene, was not a dispatched cop. his son was at the park when the fight happened and he called his father, the cop, and told him to get up to durkin park because there was a fight. if it was not for this kid calling his father and his father getting there first there probably would have been more injured peeople.

yo, anonymous stay out of it ,if you were not here on that nite. #2 you dont even live here. honestly,you cant be that stupid,to get in on a conversation and go on hearsay.


The fact of the matter is that in Durkin Park and Scottsdale..The Whites and the Hispanics are united as one!!
The few Black residents in the area who do right and are family oriented--who have the same morals, ethics etc, are also welcome.
The Whites and Hispanics and decent Blacks are ALL are sick and tired of the bull-shit spewing from alot of Black people and how most of there neighborhoods are un-welcome for decent law abiding Chicagoans...that is shameful! They ONLY have themselves to blame!

Absolutely! The White and Hispanic neighbors, go to each others bbq's, have block parties etc..the way the neighborhood has always been dating back to the 60's! Now the addition of a few black families in the area, have been greeted, mostly, with respect...as long as they respect us, and above all--have strong FAMILY values that are taught to there children...it isn't BRAIN surgery folks! It's common Christian decency..

The problem is that in St. Thomas More parish and more recently in St. Denis---the neighborhoods have NOT gotten better with the addition of now, a large percentage of blacks.(Over 65-70 % or more)

In MOST black neighborhoods in Chicago---they are crime ridden, drug ridden enclaves--where family values are almost non-existent... No father in the house! Less than a decade or more ago---thriving, beautiful--family oriented Chicago neighborhoods......
YES! they have ONLY THEMSELVES to look at and the more they deny the TRUTH...They will only continue to wallow in the most negative way in society, continue to fall deeper in despair and igorance... where most other ethnic groups will continue to thrive in Chicago and America!

We in Scottsdale--Durkin Park are getting along just fine--thank you! The overwhelming majority of the new black families are fed up with the thugs and feel the same way---THAT is exactly why they moved there families here to grow with all the ethnic groups of the area! A neighbor two doors down the only black family on our block--is embarrassed, disgusted and appalled by the unruly behavior of the young blacks recently in Durkin Park.
Message: We're ALL here to stay and grow together!

hi all of you; well some shit happened again in the hood... stevenson park this time...a couple of the kids sitting in the park minden their own , get GUNS PUT IN THEIR FACES, BY 3 hoodlums AND WERE ROBBED...no one got hurt thank god...im so sick of this shit... this neighborhood turned into THE WEST SIDE in one WEEKEND...NOW FOR ANYONE WHO IS GOING TO TAKE THAT THE WRONG WAY....LET ME WALK ON EGGSHELLS,AND EXPLAIN A LITTLE FURTHER,,,,WEST SIDE-HIGH CRIME RATE...A FACT...SHOOTINGS AND DEATHS ALL THE TIME...ANOTHER FACT...GANGBANGERS GALORE; THATS A FACT..IT IS THE NORM OVER THERE... NOW LETS LOOK AT DURKIN PARK...QUIET ALL THESE YEARS...THIS IS A FACT....I USED TO FALL ASLEEP WITH MY DOOR WIDE OPEN ...THAT IS THE TRUTH...ONE SAT. NITE 7-14-07 A JUVENILLE RUNS INTENTIONALLY IN TO A CROWD OF PEOPLE,HURTS SO MANY...THAT IS A FACT...1 KID GETS BEAT INTO A COMMA,FROM A BUNCH PUNKS CARRYING WEAPONS ...THATS A FACT...KIDS GOT GUNS PUT IN THEIR FACES,THATS A FACT JACK..KIDS HAVE BEEN VIOLATED,STOLE FROM, THATS A FACT....PARENTS HAVE BEEN VIOLATED...THAT IS FACT...NOW HERE COME THESE MORONS AND WANT TO MAKE IT A RACIAL ISSUE..THIS IS A FACT..I PERSONALLY CAN NOT HELP, THAT THESE PERPS WERE ALL MINORITIES..THEY CHOSE TO PREY ON ALL OF OUR KIDS,AND I MEAN ANYONE WHO LIVES IN THE DURKIN PARK AREA.....HOW DARE ANYONE COME HERE AND HURT ANY OF THE PEOPLE...HOW DARE MS. MARY MITCHELL ,AND KONKOL START THIS SHIT IN THE PAPER...THESE REPORTERS ARE NOT HELPING US THEIR HURTING US ,JUST LIKE THE PERPS...ALL WHO LIVED HERE FOR MANY YEARS,CAN NOT BELIEVE WHAT IS GOING ON , IT IS - NOT THE NORM!!!!!!! OUR KIDS SUMMER HAS BEEN WRECKED BECAUSE OF THESE SCUMBAGS,THE PARENTS SUMMER HAS BEEN WRECKED,AS WE HAVE TO MONITOR EVERY MOVE OUR KIDS MAKE...WE NEVER HAD TO WORRY ,IT NEVER BECAME SO DANGEROUS...NEVER.... SO WHEN WE HEAR THE BRIGHT LIGHT ,[MM]TALK ABOUT IMAGINARY LINES, ILL TELL YOU ABOUT IMAGINARY LINES...THERE NOT IMAGINARY....CRIME RATES ARE HIGHER IN CERTAIN PARTS OF THE CITY AND SUBURBS,YOU KNOW WHEN YOU ROLL INTO THEM, NO-ONE FEELS SAFE....DICK DALEY NEEDS TO MAKE ALL OF OUR STREETS SAFER...HOW DARE HE EVEN THINK THAT THE CITYS KIDS ARE SAFE...HE THINKS THAT GUNS ARE THE PROBLEM....NO, I SAY GIVE EVERYONE A GUN , MAYBE ASSHOLES WOULD THINK TWICE BEFORE THEY VIOLATE OTHERS....GET MORE COPS,GET MORE ORDER...I DONT KNOW HOW THIS MAN CAN STAND DAY IN, AND DAY OUT LOOKING LIKE A JACKSS...QUIT WASTING THE CITY'S TAXPAYERS $ AND ACTUALLY DO SOMETHING THAT WORKS....CAN HE ACTUALLY BE THAT DUMB..YES,I GUESS HE CAN.. SO AS FAR AS A TIPPING POINT?YES WE HAVE REACHED ONE... AS FAR AS IMAGINARY LINES, I WOULD LOVE FOR MARY MITCHELL TO WALK ALONE OUTSIDE,AT NITE; SAY IN THE ENGELWOOD COMMUNITY, AND SEE IF SHE FEELS SAFE...I JUST SEEN A BLACK WOMAN SAY," CRIME HAPPENS ALL THE TIME IN ENGELWOOD, WE ALSO NEED TO BE PROTECTED, WE WANT OUR PEPPER SPRAY...WHY IS ONLY NORTH SIDE WOMEN GETTING THE PEPPER SPRAY..."WHAT HAPPENED THE NEXT DAY , ENGELWOOD GOT THEIR PEPPERSPRAY...NOW THAT I THINK ABOUT IT...THERE ARE NO LINES - THE WHOLE CITY IS UNSAFE.....I WONDER HOW THE CHILD IN ENGELWOOD IS DOING AFTER THEY WITNESSED THEIR MOTHER BEING ASSAULTED...MY HEART GOES OUT TO EVERYONE THAT IS LIVING IN THIS HELL HOLE..HAVE TO WONDER IF THE PEOPLE IN ORLAND PARK HAVE PROBLEMS LIKE CHICAGO ....I WONDER IF SAY HOMETOWN HAS PROBLEMS LIKE THIS....NO THEY DONT ... AND IF ANYONE IS THINKING,GET THE HELL OUT IF YOU DONT FEEL SAFE, IM ALREADY THERE...


Between the 1970 and 2000 census, Chicago has lost 1 million Whites and have gained about 500,000 Mestizos / Hispanics (our Black population remained stable) many of which are here illegal aliens (or are Anchor Babies).

Whites have ceded many of their Southwest and Northwest Side neighborhoods and the transition has been relatively orderly (i.e. free of racial violence).

Demographic statistics indicate Hispanics will continue to grow their population but they will now be competing with Blacks to expand their neighborhoods (unless there is a Detroit like collapse and the remaining Whites flee the city like they have the Chicago Public School system where less than 8% of students are White) and I expect Chicago to undergo the same tensions between Blacks and "Latinos" which occur in Los Angeles and other areas.

Blacks are tired of losing jobs and seeing their wages drop due to the continued influx of illegal aliens. It is time for Black Politicians and Community Leaders to think long and hard about whether Chicago and Cook County should remain a "Sanctuary City" or whether we should stand up as a community and preserve our jobs, homes and schools for OUR FELLOW LEGAL AMERICANS.

These trends go beyond this relatively minor racial skirmish but it is time to think about the long term future of Chicago before it is too late.

Anyone who thinks this is not a racial issue is clearly uninformed and talking blindly. I was not only a witness of this scene, but a victim hit by the car. The group was crowded around the ambulance of our freind who had been beaten into a coma, not around any insignificant girl. A group of us were simply in a large group of people when 4 cars full of gang members and got out yielding bats and pipes. They had left when at the first sign of the sirens and only one returned to get his revenge by use of his vehicle. Recently, 4-12 Catholic-schooled Caucasian boys have been charged for hate crimes by defending themselves against the raging gang members coming at them with weapons. The truth portrayed by the media and investigators of this incident are so far from it, I can only describe it as ludacris.

if some of you seemed to think this a racial issue.
i wouldn't take you seriously at all.
one.
because, first and foremost,this city is divided anyways based on class.
sencondly , i'd really like to question what the hell the parents of ALL of the teenagers out there.
there's really no way in hell, i'd let my 16 year walk the streets after 10:00, from anyone's house in this city period.
thirdly, where were the cops???
if it took them to respond to the call no less then 2 minutes , then why did it take them an hour to get there.
i live in logan square. granted that there are more children than are of actual parent anywhere in this city.
this can not possibly just be blamed on the teenagers..
c'mon now, seriously.
how bout they all sit down at a town hall meeting and talk to these parents.
have a neighborhood counsel, if you think it's racial.
for godsake, the leonard clark beating was racial.
but this neighborhood hatered..
it sounds like they CHOOSE not live with each other.
i aree with the last comment.

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Mark Konkol covers city neighborhoods for the Chicago Sun-Times. You can e-mail him or call (312) 321-2146.

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