Illinois' top point guards

Mr. Bell,

Developing a Point Guard is not easy to do, these days. The fans, power brokers on and off the court, as well as; the "instant sensation" appetite of today's media and the marketing/promotional/advertising interest of sports: shoe, apparel and equipment companies, don't have the patience.

This mind set has spilled over to the true- at least in the past- grass roots programs offered by the YMCA, CYO and the Boys Clubs. But, even these well intended venues have fallen prey to the street agents, shoe pushers and AAU coaches and their "bosses" who have turned most of them into pure "feeder systems" to the highest bidders.

To develop a point guard begins and ends with the coach, and his ability to develop a player's gifts and turn them into skills.

Coaches, of the past, once used the summer to develop a player's "individual skills" via drills on a daily basis. Our coaches- more like talent managers to me in most cases- don't take this position. Their focus is on winning, and to them the best way to win is to have the "biggest and best horses" as for King's Landon "Sonny" Cox was once quoted as saying.

You covet what you see everyday.

So, for the most part, the coaching that we see now is a representation of the coaching these younger coaches experienced as a player from coaches of the past, particularly in the coaches of the city.

It could be argued, I emphasis argued... that last crop of good point guard play from the Public League, one would have to go back to the Class of 1985: King's Tracy Dildy, Carver's Tim Hardaway and Crane's Anthony Manuel. Dildy's development as a point guard probably suffered being at King, because never developed a strong mid-range jumper to compliment his savvy ball-handling and leadership skills.

Again, it goes back to and ends with the philosophy of the coach and his individual developmental teaching skills.

At least, that's how I see it...

Curtis K. Jackson Sr.

Where is Juice Brown from Hillcrest? Also what about Fred Van Vleet from Rockford...kid is a monster. Be on the lookout for Tyler Ulis from Marian Catholic. Transferred in from Ohio and will be one of the top 5 players in Class of 2014. Bet on it.

Point guards are now dominating the NBA. It has become a small man's game. CPS has some really good ones right now. I like Keifer Sykes at Marshall. I love the 6'4" Tolliver from Farragut who showed great leadership at the point while leading Farragut to the CPS Holiday Showcase Title last week and earning MVP honors. I also like Tywan Pickney of Simeon, Marshall at Brooks, and Tieran Brown the point guard at Crane who can really shoot, pass, and go upstairs at 6'2".

CPS has a number of point guards currently in the NBA which shows they grow them well.

Derrick Rose - Simeon
Sherron Collins - Crane
Will Bynum - Crane
Luther Head - Manley
Stephon Hannah - Hyde Park (D-League)

Michael Orris from Crete-Monee is the real deal, he is a real leader, and he will lead his team tonight against Thornton in the Championship game of the McDipper Tournament at Rich South against Thornton at 7 p.m.!
When you lead your team to victory in consecutive nights against the likes of Leo and Hales, you deserve recognition!

I like this article on true point guards. The key word is passing. Leading your team to victory with athleticism is not the definition of true point guard success. Great floor vision, ball handling and passing is the key and the list fits.

Mr. Bell,

It was mentioned that there were a number of point guards in the NBA from Chicago. This is “kinda” true, however; I think we were speaking of high school point guards in Illinois. Besides, of the Chicago point guards mentioned; only one would be considered among the top 30 point guards in the NBA.

How many NBA teams are there?

But, back to theme of "Top Illinois Point Guards", a lot can be said, or not... when see that of the point guards mentioned, the classic- an expected- representation of city point guards missing from this list is disappointedly noticeable.

Curtis K. Jackson Sr.

First of all I respect everyone's opinion about point guards even though my opinion is different. I'm an old school fundamental purist too, who was taught to play the right way but the game has changed just as the times have. For example I think the 5 PG's I mentioned will go further than the 9 Taylor mentioned. That's just my opinion. Generally speaking I really do believe the perception of point guards has changed at all levels of basketball. I believe the pass-first expectation is gone. I think PG's have to run the team and organize the offense while distributing the ball, but in many cases they have also become the primary scorers. Point guards are expected to lead the team in assists but I look at NBA point guards Chris Paul, Steve Nash, Derrick Rose, Darren Williams, Rajon Rondon, Mike Westbrook, Barron Davis, Mike Bibby, Monta Ellis, Stephon Curry, John Wall, Augustine, Devin Harris, and Tyreke Evans. All these guys score as well as compile assists. It's just like bigs shooting the pick and pop now-a-days. It's not just low post- post ups any more for bigs. The game has changed. CPS is unique because I can't think of another city which has 5 point guards in the league. It's a credit to the pure talent that comes out of Chicago. All you purists do need to respectfully recognize that the game has changed and PG's and combo guards are now your most prolific scorers outside of Durant, Novitsky, Kobe, and Lebron. This is not an argument, it's just my opinion.

Jay Parker a four year starter for Thornton Township, played like a college point guard last night in the McDipper Championship at Rich South, his floor-leadership, was awesome, and his calmness, running the attack for Coach Jackson settled everyone down,to propel the Wildcats to victory and another McDipper Championship!
With Antonio Levy coming along at two guard, and Brian Greene (tournament MVP), playing like a man possessed, the Wildcats will be a team to be reckoned with, the rest of the season!

To put it plainly, I prefer and enjoy watching pure point guard play. It wins...

Some like the Hybrid point guards of today, and this is fine.

However, as much as I like Derrick Rose, if he and Isiah Thomas were at the same stages of their respective high school careers, and had equally the same talented supporting cast? I'd go all in with Thomas, Austin's Eddie Hughes or Manley's Roy Spearman, or CVS's Darren Brittmon, or Dunbar's Ronnie Lester, or Bremen's Shawn Watts, East St. Louis' Calvin Pfiffer, or Du Sable's Maurice Cheeks, etc.

That's just me...

Curtis K. Jackson Sr.

I understand, and agree that the old school point guards were definitely more team oriented and a lot less selfish. It was a whole diffferent mentality. This is an excellent list (above). Ronnie and Isaiah scored 20 while still dishing a bunch. I think Mo Cheeks waa the ultimate point guard (the glue). He set the table for some great ones and held the NBA assist record for a long time.

I Remember Michael Poole of Dunbar, James Jackson of Crane, and Rickey Green of Hirsch from the 70's. These were PG's who scored a lot but adjusted their games when they had to in order to win. All these guys would be very successful today. The NBA is influencing this new point guard philosophy as evidenced by the last 3 drafts.

All of the above mentioned players are truly deserving of the recognition, however how can Ryan Boatright of East Aurora not be included on your list? He is by many opinions the best point guard in the state who just happens to score a ton for an EA team that is off to an 11-2 start this year! He averages about 32 points per game, 9 assists, 6 steals and 10 rebounds a game. He has had several triple doubles, and has dropped games of 63 vs Proviso West, 55 vs Saint Charles North,43 vs Peoria Central, 39 vs Bartlett, 38 vs South Elgin,and 35 vs Hales Franciscan. He can literally take over control of a game, and is considered the most explosive player in the state in the open court,with handles better than anyone! It seems like he gets biased by some people in the media because he has chosen to play at UCONN next year! Honestly, the Illini dropped the ball big time by not aggressively recruiting him! He is the front runner for player of the year at this point of the season! Bar none!

I did leave out the fact that Boatright can pass and create with the best of them. He did have a game high of 14 assists so far this season. There is nothing wrong with a good team having a scoring point guard in their lineup who leads his team on the court!

Mr. Curtiss Jackson,

You may just know what your talking about?

For you guys who want to know why the art of the point guard has gone away. Read the attached article, it appears the Don of AAU Ballers exploitation (John "Sonny" Vaccaro) is on his way back to Chicago under a new flagship, from China of all places.


Sonny Vaccaro spent decades running the summer basketball scene, almost always luring the nation's top prospects to his events regardless of affiliation. Nike. Adidas. Reebok. The company never mattered much. What Vaccaro proved time and again is that he could align with elite recruits and produce the best showcases as long as he was armed with large sums of money and boxes of apparel.

And now he's about to try to prove it again.

"I do think something is going to happen," Vaccaro told CBSSports.com. "I'm not sure what, but I think something is going to happen."

Though vague on specifics out of fear of "jinxing it," Vaccaro confirmed what multiple sources have told CBSSports.com in recent weeks -- that he's being pursued by four different companies, that he will meet with them after Labor Day, and that, if all goes well, Vaccaro will, after sitting out the past three summers, soon begin his quest to again dominate amateur basketball at the grassroots level.

Vaccaro declined to name the four companies that have approached him, but multiple sources said Li Ning -- the China-based giant whose NBA clients include Baron Davis, Evan Turner, and Shaquille O'Neal -- is a strong possibility to back Vaccaro as a way of countering Nike's ongoing and aggressive move into China. Either way, that's not what's important now. What's important now is that all signs point to Li Ning or somebody else providing the money and apparel necessary to make this happen, and that Vaccaro has a plan ready to be implemented.

The plan is this: Vaccaro will secure a deal, put the strength of his name behind the venture, then hire point men in various cities to disperse the money and apparel however they see fit all in the name of securing commitments from elite talents. Grassroots Basketball of America founder Gary Charles would headline things and be the guy in New York. Somebody else would handle Detroit. Somebody else would handle Chicago. Somebody else would handle Oakland. So on and so forth. And each of those guys would be armed with an undetermined amount of dollars and apparel to help sponsor summer teams and convince top prospects to attend what could be -- but won't necessarily be -- updated versions of Vaccaro's legendary Roundball Classic, ABCD Camp, and Big Time tournament in Las Vegas.

If you have to dump 50 pairs of shoes on a kid, do it.

If you have to hire a dad as a "consultant," do it.

Just get it done.

"That's my idea," Vaccaro acknowledged. "I will get x amount of dollars and x amount of equipment or whatever, disperse it to my people, then they'll disperse it to their people, and then things will happen. That's my plan. And if it happens, I think we'll be competitive right out of the gate."

The byproduct will be what's fun to watch.

"It's going to be like the wild wild west again," said one high-major Division I coach, and he's correct. There will be genuine (and technically legal) bidding wars for top prospects, but some actually see that as a good thing because it will by extension create more opportunities for players to travel the country, mostly because Vaccaro's presence will likely force Nike and adidas to spend more money than they've been spending during Vaccaro's absence.

"I do think Sonny returning will make Nike and adidas stand up again," Charles said. "Right now Nike and adidas can do whatever they want, just tell [summer coaches] to take it or leave it. If you don't like it, go somewhere else. Well, there's nowhere else to go. But with Sonny back in, people will have choices. It's always good to have choices, and Sonny keeps people on their toes."

Not to mention the edge of their seats.

"Sonny is the best at this," said longtime AAU coach Keith Easterwood, a strong candidate to be Vaccaro's point man in Memphis. "Nobody understands matchups like Sonny. He knows how to put LeBron James against Lenny Cooke, Tony Harris against Khalid El-Amin. He knows how to give people what they want to see, and that's what he's going to do."

Again, no deal is in place; Vaccaro stressed that a dozen times. Until he has a signed contract, nothing is certain. But during multiple interviews over the course of two days, Vaccaro consistently said he absolutely expects to sign a deal with somebody, and that he has every intention of getting back in and creating the kind of opportunities that have vanished in his absence. So, barring a breakdown in negotiations, get ready for a wild summer next year.

It appears occassional blogger, Curtiss Jackson, may understand the athletic shoe companies of America better than we think.

But, I would like to know what he thinks about all of this? Phil K, Darnell and Sammy should share their thoughts too?

Louie

Its sad, but; expected. Even worse, somebody is going to bite down on the bait.

I have strong indications that it will involve the parent or guardian of one the said highly-publicized young players in Chicago whom will emerge as the next "crew leader"

Just as there are a number of street corners to set up small drug spots in the city, the same goes for the shoe pushers from the stands of playgrounds and gyms.

Unfortunately, the people who have the tools to monitor and investigate matters like this, really don't want to because they need them. Its like a human ponzi scheme, only its kids- whom are in the dark- that are forced to act as false payments.

I know many won't like what I'm about to say, but if the NCAA, NJCAA, NHSAA, IHSA or members of the local media won't act meaningfully to stop or at least inform those in the dark of this drug trade (I mean), human trade.

Something has to be done by those charged with protecting these kids, while providing them a "safe" environment to learn, grow and participate in activities like basketball.

You have to wonder, what is it about coaches of color, that makes people like Vaccaro feel so confident that they can just come into major cities like Chicago via their "ethnic connects" and just open up shop to push shoes from China upon us.

Think about it, China...

There has to be something deeply seeded in our need to be considered "the man" that Vaccaro has identified in us as a people... like a weakness in our genetics...

In your blog, you mentioned Gary Charles, probably someone whom you could easily identify as a "Nicky Barnes"type basketball figure who is deeply established in Harlem, the Bronx and Queens as a leading "talent whisper" in New York City.

That's not to say we don't have these "types" here in Chicago.

This has sort of exploitation has occurred for many decades in music industry, the movies, the drug trade, etc. There is something very wrong with this.

Like my grandfather used to say, if it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck... well, you know the rest.

Curtis K. Jackson Sr.
Happy New Year!

Louie:

It's very Sad, but true. A good level of this exploitation is already happening. Vicarro could easily come in and accomplish what he wants as long as he has the funding to pass around. He's been here before and has long-time Chicago contacts who I won't mention. Shoe companies operate year round with coaches and other go-betweens to "push" shoes and entice handlers of student-athletes to send them where the money is flowing through handlers and bag men. It begins in the spring with AAU being funded by shoe dealers and continues through the summer and early fall. The worst thing about AAU is there are no rules, and most of the deals are conducted through street people. believe me, shoe dealers don't want to deal with professionals. The play on the "street" effect. The best players don't pay for travel or anything. I'm not talking about the suburban version of AAU. Atlanta, Florida, Indiana , and Vegas are the hot spots to view talent in the summer. This "support" with funding, gear and shoes continues throughout the school season for select teams. Word has it that one coach got a Van from a shoe dealer last summer. That's all I'll say for now but the exploitation benefits many in a financial way. It is much larger than we realize. Selling of kids is big business and shoe dealers fund much of it.

One thing that could address this is the NFHSAA. The National Federation Of High Schools Athletic Association could place restrictions and limitations on off season participation, travel, and funding being accepted from shoe companies and going directly to student-athletes and handlers. State associations and city sports administrators could enforce these rules and limitations as well as filter contact with shoe dealers during the interscholastic sport season. Unless the powers that be from local and national who govern high school sports come together, AAU and shoe companies will continue to do their thing. Vicarro would have a cakewalk to carry out his plan. There are no rules or restrictions for AAU, only age groups.

The problem is simple, but; to get people- specifically those with administrative influence- to actually "make a move", is even more of a problem.

It would take a community effort to really make a difference, because its the kids of the community whom are exploited in this equation.

So where are we?

Stuck, again... without meaningful actions nor equiped with an inspired solution to develop a governing body, powered by a uniform "focus" to monitor the benefactors of these supposed "grass roots operations" from all levels by members of the community,
school administrations,
parental, and the media.

Personally, it is becoming more and more apparent that something very drastic will have to occur to the detriment of a youngster, before someone with the power and influence intervenes.

In the meantime, people like Sonny Vaccaro continue to get richer with their "Savoy Records tactics", the next local Shoe Pusher continues to saturate the inner city talent hot spots with product, and the kids continue to feed their addictions for stardom via misguided affiliations.

Ahh, the American Dream...

Curtis K. Jackson Sr.

Louie, I wholeheartedly agree with both Sammy and Curtis on the matter. We've had this discussion before and I've said many times before that these (our) kids are being exploited by this game to levels never seen before. I was thinking about this very subject the other night and came to one very sad conclusion as to how and why these kids and their parents for that matter, can be so easily and taken advantage of. Simply put, it is the mixing of the two most diverse types of groups in this country, rich and poor. Any time the rich of this country want something from the poor, a slaughter of epic proportion is bound to take place. This is classic confrontation of the powerful versus the powerless. And we all know how this one turns out.

So many of these kids and their parents are poor, so to be courted by such wealthy means as the gym shoe companies makes for one the most abusive relationships we have witnessed to date. Sonny Vaccaro is not a very learned man but he is armed with two things that make him no match for the kids and the parents that he courts, money and a sales pitch that he can someday make them rich. Can you imagine what happens to poor and disenfranchized individuals who are flown to an AAU tournament held in Beaverton, Oregon and then they are taken to Nike or Adidas headquarters? To have never seen that type of wealth before is to say the least overwhelming and to be hit on by professional salesman for a kid's loyalty? GAME OVER!! To say that the kids and their parents are in way over their heads is an understatement. They don't stand a chance!!

So Curtis to answer your question as to why some individuals get involved in a game that is set up to mislead and exploit children? MONEY. There is too much money changing hands between AAU street agents, certain high schools, the NCAA and the gym shoe companies for the people that matter to care what happens to these children. And that's unfortunate, to say the least.

I enjoyed reading the insightful comments from all of you guys. My thing is searching for a solution, or a way to address the issue of shoe companies, street agents, bag men, and the Vaccaros of the world. Sammy touched on it, but how do we bring the purity back to recruiting? Fighting the money, the swag, and the shoe companies is a very difficult task.

First, I want Curtis, Darnell, Sammy and Phil K to join and serve as the team of leaders I recommend to pull this off. maybe I can help find a sponsor to fund you guys.

Here are my thoughts for a solution:

There needs to be a conference to implement controls which will address the issues we are discussing.
Parameters must be established to control AAU participation and travel just as there are contact limitations for high school coaches during the off season. Student-athletes have limitations too, but they are not enforced as it relates to monetary gifts and gear.
How do we get the National Federation involved to set the parameters nationally? We must also get the IHSA and the state associations from all major cities to the table. The CPS Sports Administration Director needs to attend as well as sport administrators from the high schools in Detroit, LA, Houston, New York, Atlanta, Miami, and Washington D.C. This is just the start. Believe me, the national and state associations are not involved and would like to address this issue, but it has to be a nationwide effort. You guys let me know when you are ready to meet on this. I will work on a sponsor for the site, the travel, and the hotels. Maybe we can call it the "Reclaiming Sports and Education Conference" Give me some feedback. Louie, see what you started!

To all, especially Carl:

I know that there have been some heated moments between several of the men who have brought personal, but insightful contributions to the table in regards to Sonny Vaccaro and his future true intent.

However, I must admit... I was really taken by the article that I attached to my previous post, because I remembered Curtiss stating that this would happen again and whom he said would be behind it.

Now, being from East St. Louis, I know what’s in Curtiss' thought process, and have heard him share his thoughts on this with several coaches and community leaders here about the cautionary approach before they allow this AAU thing get out of hand down here. So, I must admit I am a bit partial to his ideas, his passion about the issue and that he has never wavered from his feelings and beliefs.

I stress that I have enjoyed watching from afar all of you all’s post, and, I'm kinda hopeful Curtiss would step back in "the game" as a coach of a AAU-like program to show not only how its done, but; that he is a damn good coach.

Many of you don't know this, and I checked this story out before I thought to bring it up, but Curtiss provided a way for a kid named Kevin Thornton to attend the University of Arizona basketball camp back in the summer of 1994. This same kid led an independent team of players to a runner-up position at what was one of the top team university basketball camps in the nation. Curtiss coached that squad.

I remember, because this same kid transferred from South Shore to Carver in 1994 and eventually became the starting point guard on a team that placed 2nd in the Public League championship that year. He actually led the city or state in assist, I believe, playing along side Morgan Park's coach Irvin.

I know Curtiss has had his moments, good and bad, depending on whom you talk to. But, what I can tell you is that this guy knows more about the make up of grass roots basketball from a national standpoint than he lets on, and I enjoyed listening to him speak last year at Washington University in St. Louis.

Curtiss, or shall I say "Black Pearl", you got something to say, I just hope you really say it in a way that helps brings about change in a positive way to the fundamental structure of true grass roots basketball.

Louie
Keep it going guys!

Carl, Darnell, Curtis, Sammy, Louis and the rest,

I am all in favor of any organization to monitor and prevent the exploitation of the children of America.

If this organization is to be effective, the most important people in the equation must be the parents/guardians of the children themselves. Most to all parents/guardians care about their kids. Due to circumstances (whether right or wrong reasons), when such kids, athletic or not, are taken advantage of, most of the time the parents are the people who could stop said exploitation.

This organization must figure out some way to support parent action once possible 'exploitable children' are identified as being targeted by the Vacarros and their street agents.

If this is for real, I am all in, let me know of any furhter progress in establishing this gruop.

Since this topic is not really Taylor Bell's topic, maybe someone should re-establish this conversation onto another blog (with Mr. Bell invited, of course). If anyone has another blog, please share it.

First, thanks to Lou, for kind words. Secondly, I think the idea of formulating an truthful "guardian entity" should start with a mission statement.

You see, its one thing to want to try to provide a safe haven for the game or the players (youngsters) most likely to get exploited.

On the other hand, if the mission of such a group, review body wants to make sure that their motivation is pure and meaningful in spirit, I would suggest that we would be careful of the "type" of sponsorship this entity would receive.

For example, I would propose a sponsorship/partnership with a person, group or business that truly embodies the same intent, values and mandate that the groups "mission statement" puts forth and shows in its behavior.

So, accepting or using sponsorship from a athletic apparel company may not be the best way to go, but; developing a relationship with a organization or academic institution that actually monitors and studies such a subject, maybe the one of the best ways to go.

It would have to not only have the appearance of a neutral body, but it should smell the same from every drip of sweat of their work, each and every time.

Believe me, everybody who benefits from the very exploitation this entity would engage, including the shoe companies and its posse, will be watching and waiting for the perfect opportunity to discredit the entire idea.

Great idea...

Curtis K. Jackson Sr.

I think for the most part you people are missing the point. Such as the person that mentioned Boatright..come on! Outstanding player but pure point guard he is not. Boatright probably passes only when he is quadrupled teamed which may happen 9 times a game which leads to his 9 assists.

The point that Taylor is trying to make and the point that is to be made is simple..

A true point guard will look to pass FIRST..plain and simple. IF you look at Deron WIlliams one of the best players in the game today and best PG's when he brings the ball up the court he runs the set and PASSES. Deron doesn't come up the court jacking 3's or trying to cross over defenders for space

A true point guard will look to pass first yet will score when needed. When they are needed to take over the game not vice versa. Thus Boatright shouldn't really be called a PG. He is a tweener because in college that isn't going to fly. If Boatright goes to UConn in the Big East putting up those gaudy numbers I will be highly surprised!

Taylor is right the true points have gone the way of the wind. Id prefer a point that averages 10 points and 9 assists a game than a point that averages 30 and 9 to me that is alarming and a red flag. But of course players such as Rose, Williams, Paul are the exception.

A true pg such as Kidd or Nash doesn't score a lot but gets everyone else involved

Just curious, I know this is getting away from the subject of "Illinois top point guards", but; the grass roots game has influenced the thought process of how the point guard plays today, this includes coaches, players and fans.

However, I did notice a missing contributor to the conversation, once it changed to the idea of the need for a "governing body" to hold those who push shoes and the AAU game forward.

Or, was it just me. This validates my point on the idea of the powerful "reach" the AAU and shoe pushers have on all: coaches, players, administrators,etc.

Curtis K. Jackson Sr.

First, I want to compliment all of the gentlemen involved here for coming together on an issue which will make things better for kids. I'm really proud of Phil K because he has been the meanest. Thanks to Carl for steering the conversation in the direction of a solution to the problem. Aces to Louis who started this idea, and compliments to Curtis, and Darnell also.

I have to mention the fact that this
(AAU/recruiting/shoe companies)issue was discussed at the last "Sports Is Education" Conference sponsored and hosted by Loyola University.

Both, IHSA Director Marty Hickman and CPS Sports Director Calvin Davis were present. Both were open to being a part of a task force which would investigate along with the NFHS to adjust participation rules. they would focus on limiting shoe companies contact with student athletes. They would also limit participation in spring and summer travel for student-athletes, while monitoring the shoe company's donations to schools and to individuals. Limitations would be enforced on travel, gifts, and contact with student athletes.

So now we have two potential hosts for the Chicago conference who can draw the sport administrators from the large inner cities from around the country and their state associations. (Philly, LA, New York, Houston, D.C, Detroit, and Miami)Hickman and Davis can also get the NFHS officials (National Federation of High Schools)to attend. We would still need Taylor, Curtis, Darnell, and Phil K to consider serving as presenters on the agenda, or as panelists at the conference.

Now we just need Taylor to email C. Davis and Marty Hickman and ask them to host. I'm sure Carl will provide the educational sponsors to secure the venue and cover other costs for the two-day event.

Inside Scoop:
The late Dr. Larry Hawkins was a mentor to C. Davis, and met with him monthly. I heard from my most reliable sources that this (AAU/Shoes/Recruiting)is was one of the toughest topics they pondered about how to address.

Okay Taylor, I know you know both guys. Will you call/email them (Hickman and Davis)and ask if they would consider being the hosts for the Nationwide Chicago Sports Conference to address these ills in our sports programs that impact kids, schools and families?
Let me know because Phil K is itching to do it.

Great topic and excellent thoughts guys!!!!

Fundamentally, it appears that the venue for dialogue proposed is a good start for sharing ideas. So, to be clear... I don't want to be mis understood, I think it is a good idea.

However, here are my concerns...

First, I have been part of and/ or have attended many such venues before. However, after the emotional testimonies have past, and; the promises have been spewed. Many times, more so than not actually; generally what happens next is a document(s) or report is authored by someone with a fancy title whom thinks that they are only capable of delivering this message(after artful packaging) to the big wigs at the NCAA, Nike, Adidas, etc.

Now, again... I think this is a good idea. And, not meaning to be selfish here, but; my most effective way to bring about change on issues like this is via direct communication to the people most negatively affected by the economical interest of the major shoe companies and grass roots operatives.

Educating the parents, to me... Is the first step towards ending the "offering" of our kids to men and women whom are believed to be acting in their child's best interest, but turn out to be act for "self" and a company agenda.

But, once the parents are educated about the "game within the game", the parent or guardian learn that it is really all up to them to act in the best interest of their child regardless, whether, or not; they ever played or coached.

So, though I find all of the ideas truly admirable, and stated in good faith... I would have to know a whole lot more about thie three W's of this proposal. I would absolutely need to know what "exactly" will the leaders of this venue intend to accomplish after listening to testimonies and the gathering of information, as well as; their plans to follow through with a message being delivered and heard- with the proof shown in "change".

I hope that I am being clear, and; that it is understood that my post is not meant to be difficult. But, honestly... I understand this subject thoroughly, and I have heard it all and seen it all when it comes to this subject matter. So, if its "solid", meaning it has teeth, stands without wavering, I'm in.

But, first I would need to hear and know much, much more...

Curtis K. Jackson Sr.

In response to Joseph; with all due respect the game has rapidly changed and of course Boatright will not put up those numbers at UCONN. There he may shift back to a more traditional distributor role and sometime scorer, however he does what he needs to do to help his teammates win games, and if that means he is a scoring point guard; so be it! Some of the above players mentioned by Taylor are averaging in the high teens and low 20's and shoot the ball when open. Yes, you are right it usually takes 2-3 guys defending him to shut him down!

To: Joseph

If you know your history of EA basketball, you'll understand the following...

Boatright, is this year's version of past EA star Melvin Harden, they mirror each other in talent and approach to the point guard position.

Curtis K. Jackson Sr.

Troy: the game has evolved yes, Boatright a point guard..NO! Boatright at this point in College would be considered a tweener. He has 2 guard skills in a point guards body. That doesnt translate very well to the next level both college and NBA. THere are exceptions however I think that Boatright puts up gaudy numbers because in Highschool he has no string and is allowed to do whatever he feels. Well see how that translates to a top 10 college program.

You like stats consider that Derrick rose In his final high school game, scored 2 points, pulled down 7 rebounds and totaled 8 assists. But his team won the state championship

At this point in his highschool career Boatright is no where near as talented as Derrick Rose at the same point in his career. Its not always about scoring points but as a point guard making the players around you better. Jereme Richmond(non pg just an example) did it. Boatright is not doing it

CUrtis K Jackson: I'm not familiar with EA history and Im not sure what point you are making with that reference

Joseph, Have you seen EA play at all this year? Disagree, when you say that he isn't making his teammates better. They have another guard Latrell'Snoop" Visor who is a low to mid D1 player averaging about 20 a game with athletic skills, and John Williams, Dominique Johnson, and Tom Okapal have emerged
Derek Rose is a pretty tough comparison, but have you seen him play yet this year?

Haven t seen them play this year. But I caught the team on TV last year and SNoop was a player with or without Boatright. I know talent and the kid SNoop can play. I dont think thats a product of Boatright

But anytime a kid is putting up 40 point games after 40 point games and is labeled a point guard..Im not buying like your selling me cheap gold.

You stil miss the point( no pun intended)

A pg is floor leader who is SUPPOSED to be a leader that will get the other players involved. Not take the ball up the court look for an opening and shoot every time

I say it comes down to the coach. Whoever EA's coach is, probably so scared of Boatright hes doesn't want to disgruntle the 17 year old so hes on a long leash

Is EA a legit contender to go down state?

Pure HS PG's
AHmad Starks
Mike SPrings

Not pure
Ryan Boatright
Chasson Randle

EA is capable of making a deep run, however it won't be easy with Benet awaiting them or Glenbard East. They should come in as the no 3 seed at the EA Sectional. They are extremely athletic and quick with no size (1 player above 6'04", but can play above the rim, and they can go about 10 deep!

This list is not a very good one, Anthony Beane, bless his heart, should know way be ahead of Donovine Stewart, and D'Lando Carter from Danville HS, who is Big 12 Conference PreSeason Player of the Year, killed the kid last year where Beane had 8 points and Carter had 21 points and an alley-oop dunk on Beane, Beane is only a junior and Carter and Steward are seniors, dont get me wrong, I love Beane because he goes hard and I think his high school system does not use him right, he can play, but not better than those two.

I read a lot of the comments here and was impressed with the thoroughness of the analysis given by several members. I just want to agree with you all. Putting a lot of emphasis on the abuses and also commenting the nature of true point guards. I would like to say I agree with the idea of informing parents of the abuses,it only makes sense that those responsible for their lives be given the dynamics they are up against when protecting their child. National coalitions would take a lot of coordinated efforts,not impossible,but this could be addressed more immediately through the parents. Also,true point guard could have a variety of different reasons for their play within their respected teams. Some may have different roles,but it's the adjustment when they play with different teams that determines their abilities. Just boils down to plain old decision making abilities. Just saying give the kids time to develop,... respectfully.

Consider this...

I am a product of the Chicago Public League, so... though many may "wonder" about this - given my less than bias approach to defending the CPL no matter what, I am proud of the legacy the CPL has in its contribution to the NCAA, NBA and the World -Wide basketball community as a whole.

However, this contribution has been negatively affected by the influence of the "power brokers" off the court.

Think about...

There has been a consistent decline in the number of "college ready, battle tested" players to represent the CPL since 1985 forward... Sure you can name a few top-rated players, but; the overall impact has diminished in its influence on major college rosters, consistently.

If you back-peddle from the above-mentioned date, it wouldn't matter if you were all-state, or; all-city, you were almost certain destined to play Division I basketball.

Today, "we" put such an emphasis on: player rankings, athleticism, being marketable, what club coach a kid plays for during the summer, or; what sponsorship affiliation a kid has on the meat market - sorry - summer circuit, its really a sad commentary to the leadership of those charged with teaching and protecting our kids.

More brain fodder...

Last week, a proposal was offered or made to bring those concerned with the current state of high school basketball together- in short - to the table to discuss the pros (keeping an opened mind here) and cons to the influence of the "grass roots basketball phenomenon". However, something was missing... the inclusion of those on the grass roots level whom need to be educated the most...

The parents and kids!

Hopefully, I was not the only one who noticed?

Curtis K. Jackson Sr.

Curtis, in my mind, what we are speaking of and I'm sure you agree is a social problem. And unfortunately it is way larger than the institution of basketball at any level. We talk about the game and how it has been hijacked by the shoe companies and their partners/beneficiaries. My issue is not necessarily how corrupt the game has become but how exploitable our children are, and why. This dilemma I believe starts and ends at home. The only individuals who have any shot at remotely changing this trend are the parents. We have to define what is in our children's best interest and manage that outcome. We have to monitor and oversee who gets involved with our kids and more importantly why.

This, to me, is not about panels or committees. This is about us being responsible where we need to be and doing for kids what they cannot do for themselves; provide them with proper guidance and direction.

Darnell,

I think we are in the same ball park, however; it really gets to me when someone with the official capacity to do something that is truly in the best interest of the parents and the kids... chooses to sit back like the three monkeys that hear no, speak no, see no and then turn around talking task forces and hearings.

Look, it is what it is...

Notice, these guys and gals love to talk the "company line" but refuse to act because they don't want to be seen as hurting the select few that eat, while most of the others starve. Its more than just an "if you have proof, you tell us and we'll act".

No...

If your a administrative sports within a high school sports program in Chicago, if you don't know what's going on a grassroots level in basketball, its because you choose not to know or choose to act like you don't know. The fact is, the "bulk deal" is what's at play here, with most of it going to a select few.

Think about it, take away the weak transfer rules, take away the shoe deals, the AAU/Club ball summer coaching gigs, take away the national high school sponsored travel/ tournament "special" school plans, and the selective school enrollment side deals and guess what you have left?

An more equal playing field.

Curtis K. Jackson Sr.

With all due respect to all who've expressed their thoughts here, I have to get this off my chest to clarify what I've stated previously about addressing the ills of AAU and basketball marketing of players via shoe dealers and street agents. We can all continue to express our opinions about basketball here on this blog until we're blue in the face, but it won't change anything. Regardless of who disagrees with the format of a national conference to address these issues, you have to understand the feasibility of key people coming to the table to bring about change. People with power.

Yes, parents should be invited and thoroughly informed as well. Grass roots individuals and others should be present also. As much as some hate them, there are those with status who must lead this effort across the country to change things due the following reasons:

The NFHS can make rules to limit participation and gifts to student-athletes so they must be involved; The state associations can enforce these rules in the off season so they have to be involved; and the sports administrations can sanction coaches, and create regulations for shoe companies, so they must be involved. All of these groups must be committed to having active roles

As efficiently as Lou, Curtis, Darnell, and Phil K can discuss these issues, you guys cannot make the rules, or sanction the coaches and restrict the shoe companies. The NFHS and the school sports administrators can. With all of the stories certain ones of you tell about your knowledge and experiences, let's face it, you don't have the status or the power to effectively address these issues right now. All you guys have are your opinions. Please don't take this the wrong way, but this is a fact.

Marty Hickman and Calvin Davis can impact these problems, and they do have the status that matches their counterparts in similar positions around the country. Don't think they don't know what's going on with AAU, shoe companies, and grassroots basketball, they do. That's why they would have to be the hosts that lead this effort if it's held in Chicago. No one should be left out. parents should be invited along with grass roots affiliates, but please understand, the people who make policy as much as they may be hated or envied, must lead this nationwide effort. It cannot be you guys because you don't have the power or the status. You do have your opinions which I must say are good ones.

You guys cannot lead it but you could be involved as presenters or panelists. There can be no egos involved. These are the hard facts. If a conference is to be had here in Chicago with national administrators who make policy, the people in those areas will have to be in the to make sure it is effective. I had to say this, and I hope you guys are not offended, but if you internalize what I've said here you know it's the truth.

Otherwise you guys can just keep expressing your opinions here to Taylor and the other blogheads and nothing will ever change.

Sammy, I get it. I am under no delusion that my opinion matters to anyone outside of household. Which is why, if you noticed, I never spoke to speaking on any panels or leading any discussions about changing this institution of youth sports. My focus is always on the people most responsible to our kids, their custodial parents.

I don't think anything is going to change regarding this matter, in fact, I believe it'll get worse as we move forward. There is too much money changing hands at too many levels and too many individuals willing to, literally, sell uneducated kids to the highest bidder.

That's my take on the issue. I'm not offended at all, in fact, I agree with you on all points. The only thing I can assure is that my son won't fall victim to this unfortunate condition.

To all:

But, first... Darnell, I hear "you".

Now, I would like to apologize. I often answer at least several hundred e-mails, blogs, and many other media related opportunities for many different reasons. And, often... admittedly, I don't take the time to do the spell check and other neat things I should, so... I'll take some time to say this...

I have spoken ed to Mr. Bell about a number of issues regarding my position on the influence of sports related businesses upon amateur sports: particularly, high school basketball - in this case- in Chicago.

Personally, just do not have any faith in the approach by CPS sports officials to many issues. But, its their approach to the increasingly negative affect upon high school basketball by shoe companies, that bothers me the most.

That's just me, and anyone that wants to take a "shot" at this position is more than welcome to

In writing, "The Shoe Pusher", from a fictional standpoint, I want to open the eyes of parents and guardians of our kids to the who, what, when, where and why as to how the game has changed, and; to how "those" that were trusted to protect the legacy of the game and the kids who play it - got played themselves, and continuously in some cases today.

In "this" city, "corporate outsiders" were allowed to come in - via the protection of men from the inner city - to use our schools, coaches and the kids to legitimize their brand and increase bite of the inner city pie.

I'll never forget, when I worked for the Chicago Defender in '91-'92; I met the legendary Merrie Dee at a University of Chicago sports dedication to Dr. Martin Luther King, during which the tennis great Arthur Ashe was a speaker.

She said: "You know, I wanted to build something that would help kids, not provide a means for people to use them".

Mr. Bell knows what I'm speaking of...

You see, I am concerned about the parents and kids. I could care less about the those "playing" game off the court. Having a title and power means nothing if its not being used to empower others.

There's an old saying, that's appropriate here..."If you don't know, you don't know".

So, everyone has their own way to help, pitch in, testify, share, mingle, negotiate, or; whatever way you choose to describe your contribution to "changing" how things are done...

My only hope is that whatever is done, is actually done "meaningfully".

Curtis K. Jackson Sr.

First, we are all entitled to our civil opinion. I have faith in CPS and my opinion is they're doing a phenomenal job in the Sports Administration Office. That's because I know the magnitude of what their charge is. Most don't, so it's easy to judge them when you have no idea of the sheer volume of their responsibility.

Next, all of us know AAU and shoe companies does not involve only CPS athletes, so let's give CPS a break. It's in every city and suburb, and kids all across the country are involved. CPS is just one of the big markets due to the talent pool. I don't believe a book is going to change how many parents operate. Often times parents are the ones who benefit from the perks.

If parents seek to read the rules, guidelines, and procedures of the NCAA Clearinghouse, that is available and is annually provided to schools by CPS who partners with the NCAA office. Parents, coaches, athletic directors, and school counselors are routinely educated and advised by the CPS sports office. Did you know that ACT tutoring is offered through the sports office? There is so much more I can tell you, but just know, there's a whole lot of information the individuals blogging here could not know.

I stick to what I said previously, It's the powers that be who can make change because they can make policy which coaches and athletes will have to abide by in the off season during AAU.

Nobody, but Nobody blogging here can do it like the administrators could nationally. Not a book, and not individuals who constantly profess to have knowledge and promote themselves but represent no one. It's the people who make and enforce the rules who can have a big impact. AAU has no rules or limitations right now and it's not under the federation. It operates independently with support from shoe companies.

I feel being critical is fine but we need solutions. I think my solution through the administrators and policy makers is as good as any discussed here. This is just my honest opinion.

I think, at least I thought, I was making my point as to how the influence of the "grassroots basketball business" has negatively affected the development of point guards in Illinois.

Now, the conversation shifted more so to influence of sports companies and their influence on true grassroots basketball.

In the spirit of this conversation, "I" made points as to how the lack of a spirited meaninful effort to intervene in the abuses of the above-mentioned: shoe companies, Club ball, and other business entities in combination have taken "our" game, coaches and players down a road withoutl lights for them to see where their headed.

From that, my "personal" position of where the CPS sports administration fits in to all of this was put forth.
I can assure anyone reading this blog, there is absolutely nothing that can be said by "anyone" - not even Mr. Bell - that would influence me to feel otherwise. These feelings don't come from ego or deep-seeded opinions.

Unfortunately, my stance comes from a "true" understanding of how this "game within the game" works, and; titles, power, and the ability to assemble other comparable "powerful titans" into a room to talk means nothing to me.

I can assure you it certainly means nothing to the those with "real" power.

I wish you well with your efforts, and I'm hopful something will actually come from this, however; I doubt it.

Just an opinion, not an personal attack.

Curtis K. Jackson Sr.

To All:

As a final thought for the record I want all to understand my recent posts were designed only to provide a solution to the issues presented by Louis. The AAU/Shoe issues he presented were related to all we've discussed here. My thoughts were designed to illustrate my idea of a solution which would come from the top interscholastic sports officials. Of course I don't expect all to agree, but it was a positive plan. I would be nice to see other proposed solutions.

I just wanted to go in a different direction from the negative thoughts, self opromotion, and criticisms we always have posted here. As always, armchair critics are missing a great deal of key inside information which helps understanding.

As a person who has a relationship with the insiders, I know old perceptions are "not reality" as it relates to outside thoughts about issues within CPS Sports and high school sports around the U.S. It actually felt good to "propose a solution" instead of always venting and criticizing on this blog. My intentions are not to try to change anyone's thinking, but to express my own thoughts and opinions respectfully and clearly. "No one" blogging here has all the answers. Some of us have a few answers.

Just my humble opinion.

To All:

Its funny, but, now when you talk about high school basketball these days, its almost impossible to do so without discussing the influence of the "outsiders" upon the game, coaches and players.

As I communicated with Mr. Bell yesterday, a prime example of the influence was showcased during the DeMatha/St. Anthony's game that was televised on ESPN.

But, more so; in person - off the court - in the stands.

To deal with the negative affects of the shoe companies, club ball operatives, summer travel circuit, and; soon to return, revamped versions of the modern day slave auctions i.e. "exposure" camps - powered by the marketing, promotional and advertising types from shoe, sports drink and equipment companies.

We have to think in terms equal to how an doctor treats a child's infected finger. You could treat the infection, with the least amount of pain, by applying a topical solution and bandage it up.

Or, you can guide the child through dealing with the temporary pain of opening up the infected area, draining and cleaning it out, bandage it up, and; treat it with the internal medication of antibiotics.

The later, to me is the best way to clean out the "infected" game of basketball, on the grassroots level.

First, you start by bringing in people with well-imformed and "impartial scholastic" ties to teach and inform the officials and directors of youth basketball programs at the YMCA, Boys Club, Park District and Church League, as well as; the parents and players on the grammar school level of the activities of the operatives that represent the shoe company and club ball officials and coaches.

Secondly, you would then have to sit down with the referees of CPS. (for example) and other grammar and high school leagues.

Why?

Because, if you look at the historical origins of the influences of shoe companies with "under-the-table" access to our schools, coaches and players, it started with an initial "contact" made by men trusted to be "neutral players", but; who also had the most access to review and have contact with the most talented teams, coaches and players.

To me, this should be a priority before we spend hundreds of thousands of dollars to cover travel, hotel rooms, personal expense perdieums, car rentals, laundry and cleaners expenses, hotel ballrooms, security, food and beverage, entertainment, etc. for sports administrators from other cities and states to come hear and "talk".

I would clean my house first, before inviting company to come over.

If nothing else, it could be a part of a "meaningful" start to cleaning up a growing mess collecting under the rug.

Curtis K. Jackson Sr.

Boy,

You guys can really get into an issue. All points made are valid. I won't tear anyone's comments down. One question would be who will make the people listen and accept change? They have to have someone to answer to. If people are benefitting they will need to be mandated to change. That takes authority. Believe me they won't do it voluntarily.

The other point is to involve neutral parties to educate parents and community groups while training officials and all others to end the corruption. Who will lead this? Without teeth it will never happen, because again, those benefitting will not change. This includes some parents, coaches, and the very directors of the leagues mentioned.

This is a major issue that engulfs America. There is no simple answer to it. It's nice that those of you commenting want to address it. Even the experts would be challenged to fix it. It's basically about the money that's changing hands. The swag is a small piece, but the coveted shoe deal looms for the top stars and the marketing sways all in the age group including fans. This business is the livelyhood of many, and reaches all the way into the professional ranks. I don't expect the answer to be discovered here on Taylor's blog. It's been a good dialogue though.

Taylor, one of the better point guards in the Chicagoland area plays at Glenbard East high school, Zack Miller. He will attend Northern Illinois in the fall to further his education and play basketball. He does what you need a point guard to do; handle the ball flawlessly, make good decisions with the ball; put the ball in the hands of his team mates where they can score easily and efficiently as he is an outstanding passer. He can shoot the ball well and defend. He is the proverbial "coach on the floor". He makes his team and teammates better.

To: Sammy,

I have been watching high school basketball in this state for more than 30 years. But, I have to tell you that Simeon's Robert Smith and Morgan Park's Nick Irvin let probably one of the least respected high school sports columnist play them like a fiddle.

Bennie Lewis, for E. St. Louis Lincoln and ESL Sr. coach was as, if not more successful than both of former coaches Simeon's Bob Hambrick and King's Sonny Cox. But, none of these three would have allowed a bushy-tailed rabbit of a reporter like the Chicago Sun-Times' Micheal O'Brien play them like he did Smith and Irvin.

If I were a CPS graduate, I would be completely embarrassed by what these two ignorant guys did to disrespect themselves, the CPS and their schools.

Louie
PS. Forget pg's find new coaches.

Wow Louie, Obrien is one the the least respected prep writers? Well, I guess he did walk into a great job without paying any dues, and he really hasn't been around long enough to know the landscape and the history of CPS and Illinois basketball. I see your point.
Regarding your comment, I spoke to someone about it and they felt both guys were just trying to hype up the upcoming Saturday night showdown game by talking a little friendly trash, though they are truly fierce rivals. City Champ vs State Champ with the conference title on the line as well as possibly the number one seed in the city playoffs. If Blackshear is healthy it will be exciting. if he's not Simeon will romp.

Louie, I would agree that CPS coaches in general need to be educated on how to use the media to highlight their student-athletes, themselves, and the sports program in a positive light. They definitely can't compare to Bennie Lewis, and Sonny "Quotes" Cox. Experience and success trumps youthful success.

this is wrong forgot about boatright

Finally, you have said something I can actually 100 percent agree with you on, well... 99 percent (gotta keep you on your toes, joking).

Louie

Are you and Lemming on vacation? When are you coming back?

Some of you want quotes, this is basketball, not quote me this and that, these coaches don't have to give quotes, they are traveling all over the country, and you guys want quotes, well quote this, these schools play each other tomorrow, and that is a quote!
You don't have to give quotes when you have a player being recruited by Duke and every division one school school in the hemisphere, your play is your quote!
Besides, you guys didn't like Sonny when he was coaching any how, so quote on that!

One of the best point guards in Chicagoland is playing post because of his height. Kory Brown at Elgin High School is a point guard naturally. He makes everyone on his team better. Kory is the best ball distributor on the team. If you're open, he finds you. His basketball IQ is indisputable. You can't get him to play selfish! Don't overlook this talented kid!

Dear Mr. Bell I respect your opinion but the game has passed you by. We all know that Flannigan is a Mullins supporter. By far Tracy Abrams is the best point guard in the state. You cannot judge by how they play in their highschool system because coaches use kids for their system. Obviously you have some connections to Mullins because you have his kids rated high(Drummon doesnt even play in the state?) and you brought up (Mullins) kid playing in Europe(? If you ask the players how they rank each other the list will be very different. Mullins showcased Sobolewski all summmer, but when the game was on the line, Mullins had the ball in Abrams hand,Not Sobolewski,not Randle. This list is Abrams,Sykes,Tolliver,Powell,Randle,Sobolewski,C.J.Jones,.
The rest of the young men you mention would be exposed if they played in the Chicago.

There is a junior-point/shooting guard from Bradley Bourbanai who can shoot and pass better than most of the point guards listed. He played AAU ball for Illinois Orange Crush with Thornton's Jay Parker. His name is Myles Clark. He is under the radar because of the type of system Coach Renchton runs. Look for him to have a big 2011 AAU summer and giantic senior year at Bradley.

Hey Yourseason, where is Taylor Bell? Is he not part of your site anymore? I keep looking for his columns and this appears to be the most recent and it's three months old.

Taylor, I hope you are healthy and off writing a book about Illinois high school sports on a beach somewhere.

After all of your comments, you still fail to acknowlege Fred VanVleet of Rockford Auburn. Well just check him out in the Supersectional against Glenbard East. I am sure you will see that not all good point guards are from the Chicago area. This state is full of ballers, but this guy is a monster.

You will not find much better true points than Van Fleet.

Keep your eyes on Myles Clark, a soon to be senior point guard from Bradley.

I truly love this acticle and topic. Truth is if you want a great point guard your going to have to take a flight to newyork. Chicago produces all out ballers. We may give you a point guard every 5 to 6 years but we give you a all out baller every day of the week. Honestly all you have to do is take a 2 or a 3 and turn him into a pointguard at the next level. Most of them are in pointguard bodies anyway.Chicago basketball has gotten smaller in size. The pointguards are to small for the next level. So take one of these 6foot2345 whatever guardforwards and do what you gotta do they have the whole package. MarcWinters aka ChinyWest Hit me up if you wanna talk hoops (901)550-2209.

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