Clearing The Air On Haynes And Fenger

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By Roy & Harv Schmidt

When we came across a recent internet report calling Fenger "the best team in the Chicago Public League that no one knows about," stating that they will give Whitney Young a run for their money because they will be adding Michael Haynes and several other transfers to their roster and saying "you heard it here first" we nearly lost our breakfast at the time. Why? Because we have every reason to believe that it won't happen.

First of all, contrary to how it is being portrayed, none of the information concerning what is happening basketball-wise at Fenger is breaking news. We have been well-aware since the middle of the summer that there is a new basketball coach at Fenger and that he is trying to stack his roster with as many talented transfers as possible in order to be competitive.

Secondly, those in the know will immediately realize that none of this should come as any surprise. That is because everyone knows the track record of Fenger's new coach. He is the same coach that ultimately resigned at Julian and had to forfeit a majority of his team's victories as a result of not meeting appropriate eligibility standards as deemed necessary by the Chicago Public League. And now it appears as though he is trying to build a team at Fenger in exactly the same manner that he did while at Julian. We can assure everyone that Public League administrators are well aware of this. More on that later.

But first let's examine the situation involving 6'6 class of 2009 prospect Michael Haynes, who the new Fenger coach believes is going to be his prized player this season. Haynes left Washington High School this past spring before the school year was complete. Once that happened, immediate speculation arose as to where Haynes might end up. At first, it was believed that Haynes might transfer to Hillcrest and that is actually where he wanted to go. However, it was later learned that if he did attend Hillcrest, in all likelihood he would not be ruled eligible.

Then during the summer rumors started surfacing that Haynes would transfer to Blair Academy, a prep school in New Jersey. This was because he had developed a close relationship with Tony Bergeron, who many believed was the leading candidate to become the new head coach at Blair Academy at the time. When Bergeron decided to not take the job, arrangements fell through.

The point here is that ever since Haynes left Washington for all practical purposes he has become a "free agent" in the world of high school basketball and there is no question that the new Fenger coach knows this. Now for the part that gets us to no end. The argument that is being raised as to why Haynes should be eligible at Fenger is that because there were a number of race riots at Washington last year that their students would be able to leave and transfer to any other school of their choice.

Before we go any further, let us point out that we are not saying that there wasn't racial tension (or that there no longer is) at Washington. Nevertheless, this might be the most ludicrous line of defense that we have ever heard in order to get a basketball player eligible. First of all, if the riots really were that bad, then why didn't administrators simply shut down the school altogether? Secondly, what kind of precedent would be set if any student in the Chicago Public League (most notably basketball players) were allowed to pack up their bags and transfer to any school of their choosing any time something similar to this were to happen? What it would create is utter chaos and the transfer situation with respect to high school basketball would be even more out of control than it already is. That is why we have every reason to believe that this argument will not hold up when it comes time for Public League administrators to rule on Haynes' eligibility at Fenger.

In addition to Haynes, the new coach at Fenger is also trying to import two players from Africa to play at the south side school, a situation that is virtually identical to what he tried to do at Julian, which as we indicated earlier ultimately led to his resignation. Again, we can guarantee that Public League administrators are well-aware of everything surrounding this situation, as they have thoroughly done their homework. That is why we have it from extremely reliable authorities that when the time comes, it is a virtual given that the Chicago Public League will rule Haynes, the two African imports and anyone else trying to transfer to Fenger ineligible. When that happens, remember where you heard it first!

Additional Note
... Another unfortunate circumstance was the one involving 6'5 class of 2011 prospect Jacob Williams, who was expelled from St. Patrick for an incident involving another student's IPod. Contrary to what has been reported elsewhere, this incident WAS NOT a misunderstanding, which in essence is why Williams is no longer at St. Patrick. He is now at Bartlett High School, is already attending classes there and in all likelihood will be ruled eligible to play basketball. Not only that, but we are willing to bet that Williams will be staying at Bartlett because if he were to leave upon the completion of this school year and then go back to St. Patrick (assuming they would let him back) he would not be eligible to play basketball there next season.

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I have always wondered what's the fuss about Michael Haynes? I have always thought he is very overrated by all of you scouting services. He is a 6'5 post player with no perimeter skills. He MIGHT be able to be successful on the Division III level at best. And I know you are talking about Loren Jackson. If I was any player I would not go anywhere near Fenger as long as he is coach. As for Jacob Williams where are his parents? They should discipline him by making him sit out a portion of this season at Bartlett. Instead they let him keep playing basketball and not learn right from wrong. Stealing is bad period and I hope somehow he learns his lesson. But I am not convinced because it seems like the parents are using him as a tool to ride his coattails hoping he becomes an NBA player. Once again where are his parents? The same for Michael Haynes?

Roy & Harv Respond:


Tim,

Yes! Someone who gets it with respect to both Williams and Haynes. It really isn't that difficult to understand, is it?

As for Haynes' ranking, we do believe he is better than a D3 player, but we can assure you that he is not overrated by us.

Why all the animosity towards young Daniel Poneman and his writings?

If we didn't know better Roy and Harv we might think you old guys are feeling the heat caused by the youngster Poneman.

What gives?

Roy & Harv Respond:

There is no animosity toward Daniel. However, we expect him and anybody else to get their facts straight before they publish a story of this nature. If they don't they will be the ones "feeling the heat" as you say, not us. When it doesn't happen we will set the record straight every single time because having been in the scouting business for 25 years we believe people deserve accurate and honest information. Others don't hesitate to call us out when they think we are wrong--happens to us on almost a weekly basis. Doesn't matter to us because we know that we are accurate 99.9 percent of the time (nobody is perfect). And we are going to be right on this one. As for calling us old, we are 46 and 44 years old respectively and we plan on being around for quite a while.

I think Haynes is a beast down low. Unfortunetly he is undersized for the next level and really hasn't developed the Perimeter skills to be a HIGH PROFILE RECRUIT. However, I do think he will make a D1 Program very happy, because of his strength, toughness, and athletic abilities. He is way better than a Division III player. (PS. RIDICULOUS COMMENT)

Jacob Williams situation is a whole different thing. Stupid move on his part. He got caught and got expelled. How do you know that the parents are not punishing him in other ways. Basketball is a key tool on him going to college. So, I don't blame the parents for letting him play, Im sure they are handling his punishment in other ways.

Kids make mistakes and learn from it. Stupid mistake to make though.

Loren Jackson on the other hand... Would trust him at all!!!!!

First off, the post by user "poneman" above is not me.
Second off, thank you to "Tim from Evanston"
Third off, the aforementioned article began with statement in the first paragraph: "This could very well just be a rumor, though my sources are pretty solid. I will get more on the story in the coming days." hmmm.
Roy and Harv, i have always had respect for both of you and your scouting abilities, and for your honesty, but in this case you have over stepped your boundaries. When it gets to a point where i am trying to inform the public of something, that i stated as a rumor to start off with, and you all are turning it into a website war, its just silly. I have a usually have a lot of respect for your reports, but this is just silly.
Finally, this article didnt even dispute anything i wrote in my report. Haynes IS at Fenger and two africans ARE transferring to fenger. It is not my job to act as an eligibily officer, i just report what i see and those guys are enrolled at Fenger.
Feel free to delete any part of this post, but i want my voice to be heard because i feel i was atacked unfairly for no reason.

Roy & Harv Respond:


Daniel,


First of all, we are not going to delete your comments because we have always been (and always will be) fair people. We do believe that in most instances exchanges such as this are better served privately through private e-mail or phone, but since you chose to initiate the communication in this way, we are going to make an exception.

In all due respect Daniel, how did we overstep our boundaries? All we are doing with respect to what you wrote is questioning the accuracy of your sources. You say your source is reliable--we say that he isn't. We could go on and on, but all it amounts to is a pissing match, which we never had any intention of engaging in, so in that respect you are right when you say that it is silly.

Daniel, here is the issue. You say that you never specifically stated that Haynes and the others would be eligible at Fenger, but you ASSUMED it based on the information you got from your source. It is then implied when you say that Fenger will be the "best Public League Team that no one knows about", that "they will give Whitney Young a run for their money" and that "you heard it here first." Well, how will Fenger be at the same competitive level as Whitney Young or any of the other Public League powers unless all of these players are ruled eligible? The answer is they won't. The entire premise of your article is based on this notion that Fenger is going to be a Public League power because they have all of these new transfers who will be playing basketball there. And what exactly did everyone hear first from you? As we mentioned in our blog, several people in the know were well-aware of the Fenger situation as early as this past July--they knew that there was a new coach and that Haynes was at Fenger.

We aren't attacking you unfairly. If anything, we are trying to help you, because we know that you have tremendous potential to succeed. You are knowledgable, well-connected and we appreciate your passion and enthusiasm for the game.

Again, all we were doing is reporting the facts regarding this situation, and we believe that we have them and that they are accurate. We are extremely confident that when the time comes we will be right regarding the eligibility issue surrounding all of these players, as we have it from very good authority. But that is not what is important. What is important is that all of us continue to provide our readers and subscribers with accurate, honest and unbiased information. We know that we will keep doing that and are confident that you will as well. If you decide in the future that you want to publicly address something we wrote that you believe is inaccurate, then so be it.

Now that we have given you your forum here and offered our response, we do need to tell you that this is the last comment that we will allow on our blog on this subject. We encourage everyone to continue to post comments addressing the Fenger issue as a whole, but any future comment which is geared toward a "Schmidts vs. Daniel Poneman" angle will be deleted.

Daniel, if you wish to address this with us further, we believe that you have our private e-mail and our phone numbers.

Just how good of a coach/mentor is Loren Jackson?
Despite all his shenanigans and efforts to lure prep school caliber players to Julian and BTMA, in the end, virtually none of the several dozen players who played for him have done more than simply fill the lower end of a low-D-I roster or disappear completely into obscurity.
Maybe the only exceptions are Koshwal and Brackins, and the jury is still out on all the rest.
Thijin Moses, as highly rated as he was, has been a bust, Xavier Crawford, Michael Glover, Dildy, Jackson, Kiewel, even Manual Cass and Marcus Relphorde were all at BTMA, and have withered in obscurity ever since....or have been unable to qualify.
Even Koshwal still struggles to score at times and Brackins needed to develop at an east coast prep school.
Just on the numbers alone, you'd have to deem Loren Jackson's effort a dismal failure.
Virtually every decent CPL school has sent more players to D-I than all those squads that Loren Jackson had, and remember, Jackson started with hand-picked players who seemed destined for stardom and then flopped under Jackson's tutiledge.

Here is a summary someone has done on the nearly 40 kids who were at Boys to Men at some time between 2006 and 2008 when Jackson ran the place and coached there.

http://bradleyfans.com/vb/showthread.php?t=4410

Roy & Harv Respond:


Both Jelani Poston at UIC and Jeremiah Kelly at DePaul could end up making contributions for their respective teams. Time will tell.

We see that that plenty of Bradley fans are starting to offer their comments on this blog. Hopefully we will start seeing the administrators of the BradleyFans site referencing material from both our blog and our web site more often, as they seem to have their favorites.

I KNOW SOME OF YOU THINK THAT IF THE BALL PLAYER
DOESN'T BECOME MORE SUCCESSFUL WHEN THEY LEAVE THEIR
HIGH SCHOOL COACH OR PREP SCHOOL COACH, BUT THE REALITY
IS, IT IS NOT ON THE COACH, IT IS MORE ON THE PLAYER
AND HIS FAMILY SITUATION, THIS IS WHY SOME COACHES DON'T TRY AND HELP WITH RECRUITING FOR THEIR PLAYERS,
IF THE YOUNGSTER DOESN'T MAKE IT ON THE NEXT LEVEL, IT'S THE COACHES FAULT, IF THE YOUNGSTER FLUNKS OUT ON
THE NEXT LEVEL, IT'S THE COACHES FAULT, SIMPLY NOT TRUE, IT'S THE PLAYERS FAULT, UNFORTUNATELY EVERYONE
WHO GOES TO COLLEGE DOESN'T RECEIVE A DEGREE OR PLAYS
IN THE NBA, THE PLAYER MUST TAKE A HARD LOOK IN THE
MIRROR AND DECIDE TO BE LIKE A DEE BROWN OR A PERSON
WHO ENDS UP IN THE PRISON OR IS NEVER HEARD FROM AGAIN!
TO ALL PLAYERS, FIND A COLLEGE WHERE YOU WILL BE ABLE
TO PLAY AND ACHIEVE AT THE SAME TIME!
JUST MY HUMBLE OPINION, IT ISN'T THE COACHES FAULT IF
YOU DON'T DO THE RIGHT THING IN COLLEGE, IT'S YOURS!

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