Bills fans sound off about Dick Jauron during Sunday's dismal loss to the Browns.
We're only five weeks into the NFL season, but it's already time to speculate about which beleaguered coach will be the first to get axed. There are no less than four coaches who, based on early returns, might not make it to the finish line.
Let's start with the Bears' connection: Dick Jauron's loyalty to offensive coordinator John Shoop played a big part in his downfall in Chicago. Ironically, he has the opposite problem in Buffalo: Jauron jettisoned offensive coordinator Turk Schonert after the Bills struggled to score in the preseason, and Buffalo has been rendered totally impotent on offense. Rock bottom may have been reached last Sunday, an ugly 6-3 loss to the equally inept Cleveland Browns.
''He wants a 'Pop Warner' offense,'' Schonert fumed after his dismissal. ''He limited me in formations, and limited me in plays. He's been on my back all offseason.''
Redskins fans were calling for Jim Zorn's scalp after Washington's ineptitude in Week 3 helped the Detroit Lions snap a 19-game losing streak with a 19-14 upset. In Oakland, Tom Cable is in major trouble, the Raiders' 1-4 record made much worse by assault allegations coming from an assistant coach. And Wade Phillips is always in hot water in Dallas as long as Jerry Jones is the Cowboys owner and the Pokes aren't in first place.
Who do you think will be the first coach to go? Cast your vote in our poll and tell us below who you think should be the first fired (and if the Bears fail to make the playoffs, does Lovie Smith belong on the list?).
If the Bears call another squib kick and lose to Atlanta with 11 seconds left in the game on Sunday night, it'll be Lovie.
Norv Turner. Eric Mangini. Problem is, there aren't enough 30 year old's to go around. These turnkey ,glorified Subway owners are used to
having 16 year olds running the day to days. Why not Whopper Jr? He only costs a buck. Pretty cheap if you ask me.
This is a very tough choice but I'd go with Jauron to be fired first amongst the 'Dead Coach Walking' crew.
The Bills had some fairly high expectations going into this season (at least COMPETE for the playoffs) but have failed miserably. And for all that talk of Buffalo incorporating a 'hurry up' offense and signing TO they have been brutal on that side of the ball. He's a respected figure around the league and 'nice guy', and that has bought him some time in Buffalo, but I believe all his goodwill has been used up.
Second would be Zorn. He's similar to Jauron in the fact that he was supposed to be able invigorate the offense but instead the Skins' flat out can not score any points. Partly because of Jason Cambell being the east coast version of JaMarcus Russell (I love jabbing the Raiders any chance I get!) but mostly because of his inept play calling. He's making Ron Turner look like Bill Walsh. Plus, let's not forget that Snyder has an itchy trigger finger and will not hesitate to shake things up.
Third to go would be Wade Phillips. Too much money involved. New stadium, heavy payroll, Jerry Jones, Jerry Jones, and Jerry Jones. Did I mention that Jerry Jones is involved? You know secretly he wants to control all aspects of team. Be it owner, gm, coach, beer vendor, and parking attendant. He has never accepted losing and may just come down from the press box and fire Phillips right on the sideline if the Cowboys miss the playoffs.
The Man-Genius gets a reprieve as this being his inaugural season. Still, that is a bad Browns team and it took a Buffalo gift to win last week.
If an Oakland coach is fired in the woods, does it make a sound? I don’t think anyone besides a select few actually care what happens with the raiders since they’ve been invisible for so long, but Cable is definitely on the hot seat regardless. You can’t go punching your assistants and running Division 3 style offensive schemes and expect to keep your coaching job. Sprinkle in a strong-armed, yet highly erratic soon to be benched quarterback and there you will have a full recipe for disaster. I honestly don’t know if Al Davis is oblivious to what is actually happening there so it hard to tell when Cable gets fired. Whenever that does happen he’ll probably being in some other psychotic clown and they can start the cycle of bad football all over again.
Eric Mangini should also be on that list, but he won't be the first to go. If the Bills lose again at home this weekend, Dick Jauron will be gone by next week, bank on it. He's a defensive coordinator at best. Tom Cable next in line. Norv Turner was a good mention by Stuck, but I don't see the Chargers letting him go in mid-season.
well, who should be fired is Cable...IF what he did is what they say he did...AND it's true the players are "secretly"...I found out... keeping in contact with Hanson with the lap top they lifted for him...that's a pretty good sign you lost your team....bummer...especially the way they finished last year..
Who will be fired is one of my childhood idols; Jim Zorn...guess he shoulda once again toted Senator/Congressman? Largent along with him... to Washington of all places....how fitting is that anyway?!?
Daniel Snyder is a rich, doesn't get it, fantasy football playing, chode...he should hire me
I wanted Grimm....'liked him didn't love him
'..but he woulda punched Jerry in the Face already...right after the Superbowl because of Rex probably....and I think Angelo knew this...and hired Lovie....All Huggin Dungy...."I stopped runnin TJ on purpose, buddy ole pal!?!".....Yeah, Grimm prolly of broke Jerry's jaw...I'm convinced of this...and with Singletary and Rivera and Leslie Frazier floating out there ...it's an even tougher pill to swallow...
maybe we should all play "what would Jim Finks do"
everyone knows I want Jerry and the Yes Men around in history lessons....and take Ted withya
I just wanna be the one throwin them the towels after their showers
lol,...ok.. we'll build a big wooden Ditka.....and we'll all climb in.....send it to the McCaskeys...and when they go to sleep...we'll jump out....and well...I don't know what to do after that;;;
does anybody got ALOT of money??...
The Big Wooden Ditka
Oh...and after Monday Night...I don't think we have ever had a WR that looked like Braylon Edwards...least not in my time...not for the entire game...bullying his way to havin a game...impressive
R.Davis has some of catches like that...but he doesn't play anymore
I'd like to see Earl Bennet make them...to answer that poll oabout the #1 WR...that was a pretty big duh, btw....Knox and Hester can't take #1 WR hits in a game...or block...or the automatic slant play a #1 should do
I just woke up..you caught me at a good time, I see
and Tom Cable's callin the plays?...Al was pooping that day? or cleaning out the fridge?
The Raiders need one and the Bills just fired a pretty good one
and btw...when you brought up John Schpoop...you ruined my day...thanks...like a stupid song stuck in my head thanks
Um, Norv Turner is approaching 60.
I think all of the above mentioned coaches should be jetisoned, posthaste, and in no particular order. None of them are worth even a fraction of the salaries they're being paid, and all of them are a drag on their respective teams.
Dick Jauron is pathetic. He's still living off the one good year he lucked into with the Bears, and has been an abject failure in every year other than 2001.
1999: 6-10
2000: 5-11
2002: 4-12
2003: 7-9
2005: 1-4 (finished off Mariucci's train wreck)
2006: 7-9
2007: 7-9
2008: 7-9
2009: 1-4
Where else on the face of this Earth can you stink up the joint as much as Dead Man Dick has for an entire decade, and still be employed? in nine of his seasons as a head coach, he's 45-77. And the guy keeps getting hired!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Mangini's entire team hates his guts, and he wasn't exactly loved in New York. The man has "issues", to say the least. Fining a player $1,701 for a bottle of water is a dandy way to endear yourself to the rest of the team.
Tom Cable? He's just another one of Al Davis' sick jokes on the rest of the NFL, and he'll soon be coaching the shirts against the skins in the California Correctional Football League.
Wade Phillips has no backbone, and is unlikely to develop one at this late juncture.
And Jim Zorn as a head coach with zero coaching experience, is almost as funny as Tom Cable.
I'll also go out on a limb here, and predict that Singletary won't last long if he doesn't keep winning. I say this because the man will absolutely implode if the losses begin to outnumber the victories. He's too high strung, and easily loses control of himself. In this respect I almost prefer Lovie's zombie routine.
Hahahahahahahahahahaha! It looks like Madden left me another note. He writes them on the paper towels that hang on the side of my fridge. (Pssssst ... if he only knew what I did with his stupid suggestions!)
Where's the flush lever on this damn thing? Every time I push the button, frozen yellow cubes fall out the door.
HEY!!! Who peed in my ice maker?
I'm feeling a bit constipated. Bring Cable in here. I want him to knock the crap out of me.
Yes, we know Turner is close to 60. That is why he is getting replaced
by Whopper Junior.Have you seen Whopper Junior in those commercials?
If the Whopper keeps providing the structure and discipline he(Jr.) needs, he will undoubtedly be a good value for only a buck. Cut off his sleeves and send him to the sidelines. Who else is there to hire?...soon we will see Nfl coaches who don't even have driver's licenses yet....just so they can 'relate' to today's players. I say who better than Whopper Junior?
It's one thing to have a coach who never played the game-now we are seeing the Son's of coaches who have never played the game(wrecks Ryan), hence the new phrase. "son of a coach". Let's go out there and give those sons' of coaches the whooping they deserve. Can you imagine
Tom cable's REAL conversation. "I will kill you, you son of a coach".
............................
......................where my money at coazatch?
If you go on talent factor vs. production, the top three bums are;
1) Jeff Fisher
2) Tom Cable
3) Dick Jauron
We all know Fishers' not goin' anywhere. Not after 1 bad season and umpteen fine ones.
Cables' stickin' around a bit, hot water and all. You think Davis is gonna be the first to let his coach go? Egothoughts say, NO WAY!
That leaves, the always OVERRATED, Dick Jauron. Whomever couldn't see through the smoke screen he pulled here deserves to have this BUM coaching for them.
Until the smoke clears, of course.
I predict Zorn makes it through the season. His offense has little at the skill positions, and he'll find a way to make due with a decent 'D' in a very tough division, and improve gradually. Snyders' the villain here.
Spagnuolo has done NOTHING to improve the Rams, but 5 games is just a little too early (8 and he's done).
Wade goes as Romo goes, and that damn roller coaster is one of the most unpredictable in all of sports. Still, the 'D' always seems to pull a rabbit out of their helmets.
But really, who cares!!!
Go Bears!!!
I'd say Jauron, Zorn, Phillips and Cables in that order. Does anyone else wonder what it will take for Jeff Fisher to be fired? I like him and only bring it up because with a lot of teams it comes down to what have you done for us lately. He's the longest tenured coach in the NFL. Sometimes it goes real fast. And I don't know what to take of your post Hitman. Do you want the Bears to succeed or do you want for the higher ups on down to fail so we can start dreaming of Cowher, Gruden or Shanahan? Those guys will never come here. Other teams have more money and more desperation to pay out contracts in line with what they deserve. We sell out games and attend those games more frequently than almost any team in the league. Winning in Chicago is only required for the Sox fans to show up. Everyone else can finish .500 and fans will see the future potential and show up. We've had worse seasons than the last three years and fans have still shown up at Soldiers field. Only when it gets really, really cold will we not show up for a game that has no playoff implications. They owners will keep taking the money and running with it or get some new hot shot(or maybe a mild shot)as the head coach instead of a seasoned head coach. Since Ditka we have gotten guys with no head coach experience to be the head coach and I don't see that stopping any time soon. We have a pattern and in this economy it definitely isn't changing.
William:
Even Ditka had no head coaching experience. He wasn't even a co-ordinator with the Cowboys when old man Hallas gave him the job. And I think he got him pretty cheap.
So you're absolutely right about the Bears not wanting to spend the money it would take to reel in a big time name like Cowher, Shanahan, or even Dungy should he decide to get back in the mix.
Not gonna happen.
When it comes to head coaches, the Bears will always be bottom feeders, hoping to strike gold with unproven assistants like Wannstedt, Jauron, and Smith.
They don't ask for much, and they don't cost you a helluva lot when you cut 'em loose.
Oh I knew that Ditka was only the special teams coach in Dallas. I meant him too. Fans forget that we have never gotten an experienced head coach. If you go back to the 70s it gets a little hazy for me. But fans forget that we are a mom and pop organization when it comes to experienced hires. Including General Managers since Finks. So when they think that Smith is on the hot seat because 1st round picks aren't working out they don't see the truth. The only thing that would run Smith out of town is if he asked for more money or fans pulled out before the weather changes. The Bears get nothing from concessions so as long as a person bought the tickets they can care less if they showed up for the game. If we were ever a team that barely kept fans in the seats we would be more apt to making changes based on wins and losses. We're not there or even close. Smith isn't going unless he imploded drastically. And it coincide with a serious amount of losses coming at the same time as his contract being up. Then and only then would they make a change. He won't be back after his contract expires this time even if he went to the Super Bowl again. He's making the money and his coordinators aren't making anything that coordinators make in the NFL. He's being paid half the money, alone, that an experienced coach would want to pay his coordinators. He's making a 2/3 what a Cowher or Shanahan would demand. His entire coaching regime is making together what one experienced coordinator would want to make. Fans don't think about that stuff when they are pipe dreaming.
what are you two knuckleheads talking about? Lovie Smith is an excellent coach. Every Nfl team(except for the Dallas Clanboys and
greenbay skinheads)would line up to hire him. Not only is Dick Jauron
a good coach, but an excellent human being as well. He does more with
garbage than the sanitation department. What other results could
you expect with the Pittsburgh Pirates of the NFL???????
Dave Wannstedt....nothing good to say there. Who would possibly want to coach the non spending Bears? Both Cowher and Shanahan are nowhere
near the caliber of what Lovie Smith is now-ask Jay Cutler about shanahan.
f.y.i
One day, in the not too distant future, you will get your wish.
Lovie Smith will Return home to coach the Texans where Rex will be
his QB, and Cowher will fly down from the rafters to the Bears Sidelines-the job he has been waiting for.
Stuck, I never downed Smith as coach. I was asking Hitman if his post was going in that direction because he is no fan of the man. I've accepted him because I don't discount a coach because he hasn't won a Super Bowl. I'm not one of those guys who were talking about this being his put up or shut up year. I know it will take a lot to fire him. Starting 3-1 has shut up a lot of the negativity that popped up after the Green Bay Game and buzzed like a fly after the first pre-season game. Now they go out and get the guy a little of what he should've had all along and still people want to say it hasn't been good enough all the while. Looking at Benson making plays, running only, just shows that Smith didn't have the kind of back he needed to make his offense work. Like I said:I never see Cincy highlight pass plays with him in the backfield which says something about him being an all-around back. And now people are starting to see that we may have not ever had an offensive line because they see a QB they really care about not getting the time he needs to get better plays off.
"Like I said:I never see Cincy highlight pass plays with him in the backfield which says something about him being an all-around back. And now people are starting to see that we may have not ever had an offensive line because they see a QB they really care about not getting the time he needs to get better plays off."
Orton and Benson are both very good, and were good all along.
Orton is thriving because he's in the right offense, has a great line in front of him, and above average receivers to throw to. He's also not shackled by Turner's play calling.
Benson just started off on the wrong foot with the Bears, and was never able to right the ship. That's mostly on him, but he's doing better now, and I wish him nothing but good luck (as long as he isn't playing us).
My beef with Lovie and Angelo has to do with cutting Thomas Jones.
He practiced hard, played hurt, and laid it all out there on every single down. The year after they cut him he made the fricken Pro Bowl while Benson was spinning his wheels.
This is a coaching mistake of the highest order, and it showed me Lovie was afraid of bucking Angelo, who wanted his top draft pick to succeed. It isn't your job as a coach to play people based upon where they were chosen in the draft, as he did with Grossman, and Benson.
When you're a coach, the team loses respect for you if you don't put THE BEST players on the field, regardless of their contract status.
Lovie solved that problem by shipping Jones off to the Jets.
Benson was next, which only made Lovie look even more clueless, and compounded the mistake, which in the end, cost them another high draft pick with Forte. `
I'm sorry but I am not giving any coach in the NFL blame for shipping productive players off to accommodate a high draft pick. It's not his place to sit a player who was drafted higher over a free agent who was signed as a stop gap. Looking at the fact that we drafted Rex when we could've had a better QB that year just goes to show that the people responsible for drafting players are not doing their due dilligence. Look at who we got that year with the two first round picks we had : Michael Haynes and Rex Grossman. Just recently Angelo says that it all go thru the QB. You think? What took so long? So he trade two first to get Cutler who is about the 30th highest paid player on this team. No brainer right? You think Smith didn't know that already? You honestly think that he was serious when he kept repeating that ____is our QB? It's more like: it's who we have to live with so why cry about it. There is really no head coach in the NFL running his team. Every single one who did isn't a coach any longer. If they weren't just figure heads why is it that every team had a question mark somewhere? Why is every team in need of something? Every coach would want the best at every position and every year a team has to make do with whatever they have. The only coach in the NFL who has carte blanche over his team is Belichick. Everyone else has to wring his hand and wait for his boss to get him what he needs. Or maybe they can go to a guy's farm and beg him to play QB for him. And then maybe he would wait another 2 months before the guy drags his butt into the last day of training camp. Sounds like a real boss to me. Who better win right now or else? the coach who did that. No Super Bowl, no next year. Look at guys who won early but can't win right now. Do you think Fisher wanted to part with Hayesworth? He had to go with the flow. Should fans turn on Fisher because he didn't tell his owner to keep him? Better yet: maybe he should have MADE his higher ups keep his best defensive player. You would expect that he has to live with the business decisions that are made FOR him and HIS team. He's the coach but it's harder to get those wins when someone else is making the decisions for you. Hitman says that Sparano is not a yes man in Miami. Yeah, I'm sure with Parcells as his G.M. Sparano is running the show. Why didn't I think of that. "Sit down Tuna, I got this". That sounds realistic. "You better get me a real QB and not a noodle arm who got dumped by our rivals and can't stay healthy". More realistic? Or just going with the flow?
"Every coach would want the best at every position and every year a team has to make do with whatever they have. The only coach in the NFL who has carte blanche over his team is Belichick. Everyone else has to wring his hand and wait for his boss to get him what he needs."
You miss my point.
I didn't suggest that it was Lovie's job to get what the team needed. He already had it with Jones and Orton. All he had to do was sit Grossman and Benson, but he kept trotting them out there in place of their betters.
Other coaches sit top draft picks all the time, and go with the players they feel give the team the best chance to win on Sunday. Matt Leinart, Vince Young, Brady Quinn ... All top picks who don't play because they suck. Top pick Leinart was replaced by an aging, stop-gap back-up QB picked up off the scrap heap in free agency.
Lovie would have stuck with Leinart.
He may not be in charge of player personel, but he's damned sure in charge of who plays on Sunday. Rex and Ced didn't play because they deserved to. They played because of where they were drafted; period.
On draft day teams roll the dice, praying for 7's and 11's, but you don't keep rolling the dice every Sunday just because the boss put them on the table. Sooner or later ... it's snake eyes.
Villano obviously gets it...but I'm still going to taunt him
Even if Jerry and the Yes Men were a Do Wop group...and I love me some Do Wop........I would hate them
I made mention of Tony Sparano not being Parcell's lap dog....This was Last Year I said this....and look at how good Miami is getting
I didn't miss your point, Mark. This is me. You know I'm going to give you the round about answer. My answer was that Smith is going to trot out whoever Angelo wants him to trot out there. It didn't behoove him to play Rex and Ced over Jones and Orton, it's his boss' desire to play HIS guys. Call Smith a bum for doing what his boss wanted him to do. I don't have eye witness accounts of what Angelo wants but I have a feeling that HIS guys get put ahead of the class all the time. Dusty always has a starting position no matter how many times he's never finished a season. Mark Anderson got put ahead of Alex Brown because Anderson and the 2nd round pick Bazuin were supposed to replace him. Angelo guys. Yeah, it does roll snake eyes after a while. Like I said: look at Jeff Fisher having to deal with an 0-5 team after he lost his best defensive player. Those QB that you mentioned did sit down after failing but they had better back ups than we ever had. Except for the Browns. And their coach is going crazy and may not last the year. Every other week he's telling the media that he isn't trading this guy or that guy. You can sit Leinart if you have a Warner. Or sit Young if you at least have a Kerry Collins. But Young's big contract did hurt his team and made them unable to pay someone else better money who deserved it. Say,like a Albert Hayesworth. I'm sure that Young being with the Titans is not half of Fisher's fault.
WRD is the correct one here. One would be very naive to believe that a head coach is in charge of who starts/plays in the Pro's. Thus, the evolution of the 'system'. It can be controlled how they play, but not who they play/start. With a system a coach can technically control how a player performs. That is why Rex was a square peg in a round hole. Lovie kept his 'round hole system',thus controlled the performance (incidentally Rex is now in a 'square hole' system..where he belongs.). Eventually the coach will get the players he needs for his 'system'. These players are very rarely the best at their position(Kyle Orton, Matt Ryan,Tom Brady), however,through repetition and execution, they can 'fool' us into thinking that they are better than the talent they actually possess....IF they are in the right system. Cedric????? I think he just laid off the weed. No system really, in his situation. Getting released...woke him up....and the ganja was gone......for a little while anyway.
I know you mentioned it last year, Hitman. But you reiterated it just last month so it was brought up. The phins were worst off before their last game. I think they were good last year, got off to a bad start and won their last game at home in rare fashion with an offense that is questioned as a gimmick. Of course it is. Like the Run and Shoot and that offense that we had with Crowton. Once the NFL get used to something complex it goes away. I've seen nothing of Sparano to say that he is an equal to Parcells. I see him cheering about as much as the cheer-leaders. The only thing he does better than other coaches is not contain himself. And I'm not sure that is always a plus. He got his guy at QB but who else really wanted him. Even the Bears if they didn't have Cutler would've passed on a QB who would not be a QB in their system. Everyone knew he was going to Miami. No one blocked it like they do sometimes. It's not like he was the number one pick. He fell in the only place he could. I can only judge coaches on wins/losses. I can't say if they are just going along with who they are getting. I don't see any of them equal to their G.M.. So there is a little Yes men in them all.
I thought Woodhead was gonna play for the Jets? Am I missing something?
"These players are very rarely the best at their position(Kyle Orton, Matt Ryan,Tom Brady)"
stuck - you're in a solid 1st position for the football retarded with that comment. Brady - still top 3 QB in league and 1st ballot HoF; Ryan simply the best young QB in the NFL.
who would you prefer jamarcus russell?
well done
The Bears will not make the playoffs this season, instead they will hire Illinois native Mike Shanahan as their next Head Coach.
anonymous(typical coward) says:
"stuck - you're in a solid 1st position for the football retarded with that comment. Brady - still top 3 QB in league and 1st ballot HoF; Ryan simply the best young QB in the NFL."
You're probably the same moron who was screaming for Derek Anderson
a while back when he was a free agent.....my complete quote.....
" These players are very rarely the best at their position(Kyle Orton, Matt Ryan,Tom Brady), however,through repetition and execution, they can 'fool' us into thinking that they are better than the talent they actually possess....IF they are in the right system."
...if you are going to quote me, then quote the whole thing dumba$$. Tom Brady is no different from Todd Collins. Just a piece of garbage out of Michigan. Brady has benefitted, much like Kyle Orton has benefitted. A system that suits less talented qb's. He is not desirable,because of his limited skills. You just admitted that you have been fooled.
Yeah stuck, the guy breaks the single season touchdown record, and runs the table at 16 / 0 because he sucks.
I think you're the one who's fooled.
Or perhaps, you're just a plain old fool.
I love how someone with a handle of "stuckinwisconsin" thinks they are big and bad by posting with that name and then call out anyone who posts anonymously.
Stuck - why not use your real name? I did post your relevant quote and you look as stupid now as you did then. Well done...
BTW - are you wearing you Akili Smith jersey today?