Gerald Henderson works out Monday for Charlotte, the consensus choice to take the former Duke guard with the No. 12 pick in Thursday's draft.
UPDATE: Bulls general manager Gar Forman met the media Monday, and although he deflected questions about whether he will move up in the draft with the standard "all options remain open" response, the Bulls reportedly have their eye on Duke guard Gerald Henderson if they can package their No. 16 and No. 26 picks and move up.
Henderson, a 6-5 junior who averaged 16.5 points per game last season, is described by HoopsHype.com as "an extremely athletic shooting guard with a very versatile all-around game. Much improved outside shooter with excellent mid-range game. Terrific defender, rebounder and passer -- really fills the stat-sheet. Has become much more aggressive and confident as a junior and emerged as his team's go-to guy. Smart and unselfish, but just an average ball-handler and shot-creator. Projects as a terrific role-player, but lacks a bit of size at his position."
Such a "terrific" player doesn't figure to fall to the Bulls at No. 16 -- in fact, of the 12 popular online mock drafts I surveyed, six of them have Henderson going to the Charlotte Bobcats with the No. 12 selection. A couple have Henderson going as high as No. 9 to the Toronto Raptors, while one -- RealGM.com -- has the Bulls staying put and still landing the Duke guard with the 16th pick. If the Bulls make a deal, a potential partner is New Jersey, which owns the No. 11 choice.
If the Bulls don't trade up and Henderson isn't available, they are expected to target a forward or center. To that end, they are hoping to work out four big men in the next couple of days: center B.J. Mullens of Ohio State and forwards DeJuan Blair of Pittsburgh, Earl Clark of Louisville and James Johnson of Wake Forest. Of the 12 mock drafts surveyed, four had the Bulls taking Mullen, three had them taking Blair and two tabbed Clark. The other three projected No. 16 picks were Johnson, point guard Ty Lawson of North Carolina and shooting guard Terence Williams of Louisville.
OK, what's your call? If you're Gar Forman (or -- more accurately -- John Paxson, who will continue to make the major decisions while newly anointed GM Forman relieves Pax of tiresome tasks such as meeting the media), do you trade up and go after Henderson? Do you try to move up for somebody else, or just stay where you are? Weigh in with your thoughts, either here or on Part 1 of this thread, and keep looking for updates as we count down the remaining days to the draft.
I HATE DUKE PLAYERS - too much drama with them. But I gave Duhon his props because he was a sound guard off the bench. All I am asking from Gar is to bring in someone - anyone that is the right size for his position (height and weight), an athlete (a person that can run and jump). I know you guys like to look at all this potential, but IMHO if he is not ready to play with - and help ROSE right now - we don't need him. That is why I said we need VETERANS. And that is the OTHER thing that the last 4 champions have in common. KEY VETERAN contributers. The thing I love about the NCAA tournament is that it brings out the heart in players. Coaches coach the little nuances, but it comes down to straight up ice cold shooting, streetball handles, musty-armpit rebounding/defense and pure athletic hustle and will. The team that has the MOST kind of those players usually wins. The NBA is filled with those kinds of players - so success in the NBA comes down to Exceptional Athletic Ability, HEART and NBA IQ. What usually stops one guy from dominating everyday is what's between the ears and in his heart. (And if he doesnt have a stupid coach holding him back)
My whole point is - these players are coming into the league young anyway because they don't stay 4 years, and then they have to learn the NBA. It takes a player 3 good solid years to acclimate himself to the NBA life. Its coming at you too fast - on the court and off the court stuff. To be very honest, unless your player is a freak athlete, he is not going to be able to help your team until after 3 years. THAT is the time to go and get any of these new players. These are the ONLY type of players that will be able to help a Derrick Rose. Derrick needs players that can keep up with him talent-wise and help him do the things he should be doing. Rose is a Haley's Commet talent and that is where you want to cultivate. We brought in an old guy on his way out of the league and a solid savvy veteran in Miller and Salmons. These are marginal vets in the NBA and LOOK at how much the helped the team is such a little time. Pax and Gar and DeNegro need to get their PRIORITIES straight. This is not rocket science at all. Teams with talented, solid NBA veterans can take in and develop a young talent because he will not be asked to do much except LEARN. A young player has to be around good veterans to LEARN. The Bulls benefited from Linsey Hunter and Brad Miller. We need a STAR and some more veterans to show the way on the court, and to teach the players we have. BASKETBALL IQ is a necessary ingredient of playoff and championship ball.
Stu, you conveniently missed 2 words after you quoted “terrific” in regards to Gerald Henderson. Role player. And that’s where I don’t agree with WASTING a first round pick just to move up 4 or 5 spots in a relatively unknown draft. You only move 2 first round picks to move up in the top 5, not at #11 or #12. That’s just being cheap again. You always look for potential STARTERS in the first round of any draft, not role players. Henderson is a nice athletic role player with a nice set of all-around skills, but he’s not great at any one area. I watched him a lot at Duke and I like him, but only if he slips to that #16 slot and if absolutely nothing else better is available. Even then though, I still have reservations about taking him over a 7-footer with skills and a high ceiling. I know people are down about this draft and say that it is top heavy and nothing else after #5, but this is where the basketball GM’s and/or the personnel braintrusts earn their paychecks. Besides, people ALWAYS say that the NBA Draft is weak almost every year. Last year, it was supposedly just Rose and Beasley and then you had guys like Russell Westbrook and Brook Lopez who surprised people. NBA teams that rely so much on salary cap flexibility and restrictions like the Bulls apparently do will only be able to build their team via the draft. If GarPax can pull off a blockbuster package trade involving a veteran star player, then my hats off to them, but chances are slim that any trade will happen on draft day with the Bulls so I’d rather just concentrate on prospects who may ultimately help this team in the long run. Again, the problem with the Bulls is that they are still carrying too many bad contracts on the team like Luol Deng, Jerome James, Tim Thomas, Tyrus Thomas… those 4 guys alone easily take up almost half of the entire team’s payroll and guess what, NONE of those 4 barely even played in the Celtics playoff series a couple months ago. What a waste. And Vinny gets applauded for shortening his lineup rotation to 7 players in that Celtics playoff series? Come on now. No bench, no Championship! Build through the draft for now and find potential starters to grow ALONG with Derrick Rose, slowly weed out the remaining “original core” and establish a team identity once and for all, and then creatively create some cap space to bid on the 2010 f.a’s. – that should be the Bulls’ plan.
Keith, OF COURSE the Bulls need a veteran star player to compliment Rose, but they're NOT going to get that in this offseason because they don't have the cap flexibility with expiring contracts that doesn't happen until next year. So for now, this is the way to go with the draft or they pull off a blockbuster trade. Your "win now" mentality is getting the best of you this season. They have to continue to build for the future.
EDGAR - Now that's sound thinking. And anybody the Bulls pick in this draft is going to be nothing more than a project. I would take a chance on someone like Ty Lawson because he will be able to contribute right away. But James and Tim Thomas are coming off the books soon. I can live with Deng and Tyrus if they perform, which I think they will. I would move Deng right after he returns to form. He has hit his ceiling and - is a Duke Player. Tyrus Thomas's game is getting better. His IQ is all that he needs to work on and that comes with good coaching, a system, and playing time. (yall see what the great scott skiles did) It takes time, but how do you give up on a player that has done nothing but get better every year and can jump like a Kangeroo? I only trade Thomas for a bonefide low-post starter like Nene or you getz the dial tone. NOW THATS a project I can believe in.
You have your priorities straight! Its about ROSE and the playoffs. But this is what I believe strongly. If the Bulls don't make a significant push this year - NO 2010 free agent is going to seriously consider us. RIGHT NOW - Labron is hurting badly, and you better believe Cleveland is going to fix it fast or LaBron is gone. LaBron KNOWS he is the best in the game and hated to watch Kobe celebrating. Why would you come to Chicago? Its not warm, fans are smart and demanding, media is starving for DIRT, not a story but DIRT, no Coach, no other star, and the franchise is cheaper than a new-born baby bird! And your reward is to play in the shadow of the G.O.A.T. - aka Michael Jeffrey Jordan the LIVING LEGEND, complete with statue. Nothing you do will ever compare to that brightness. The only way anyone ever takes us serious is if we stack the team with a cast to get the job done. Somebody like a ressurected Iverson could give another star one phone call and get him to come to Chicago and join forces. Thats what even Gar and Money cannot do. Iverson could score a TON of points for the Bulls and teamed with Rose draw the kind of talent to take us all the way. With Noah and Thomas, all it would take is one other guy. The league is watered down until a bonefide Superstar comes along to take it. LaBron is the heir aparent. Kobe NEVER took the reigns.
Keith, when NBA teams have to manipulate their rosters around a restricted salary cap structure, then it CAN BE rocket science. It's not as easy as you make it out to be and it also doesn't help when Reinsdorf and co. have already publicly stated that they would NEVER touch Luxury Tax territory. That is why most of my basketball posts center around prospect and draft evaluation for this Bulls team. There are still too many bad contracts on this team that the Bulls can't just snap their fingers and get rid of them. This is NOT the NFL, Keith. Just trying to get you to understand...
I like Sam Young from Pitt only because he seems to be NBA ready, plus he could be insurance for Luol Deng since he can never stay healthy but I do believe that they could use another big guard. I think that people are sleeping on Jodie Meeks, he could be a steal in the draft.
I think they need to get a versatile SG/SF and a backup PF that can bang and rebound
I like Blair(if his knees are ok) and even Hansborough can come in and help right away, not a huge fan but he will be like a Kevin Love/Luis Scola type that will play hard, rebound and score a bit. pretty much a frontcourt role player.
As far as guards...I don't like Meeks, too slow and one-dimensional. I like the UNC guards, Terrance Williams(altho he may be another Thabo, ie. a guy who does everything pretty good except for score). Henderson would be ok, I think he can be decent, no Allstar but we just need 12/14 pts and defense from our SG.
Earl Clark and James Johnson are also intriguing prospects.
I would draft either Williams or Clark from Louisville. This draft is weak and really your drafting a player that can be solid now but probably will end up being packaged in a trade when the bulls decide to pull the trigger.
I agree with Mick Swagger on James Johnson.
He does look like he can be a very good PF in the league but it looks like he will be a top 10 pick and they are going to have to trade up to get him.
Clark seems a bit slow and if you are going to play with Rose you had better be able to get up the floor in a hurry.
They have to consider that no matter who they draft here.
Can he fit in with our cornerstone?
Not just another guard but any big man that plays with this team cannot be lead footed. I believe that is why Arron Gray became the forgotten man.
What does anyone think about Jordan Hill?
Swagger, good posts and I like your thinking. Of course I disagree a little bit on Mullens, but I understand the concern by many and that he's a big risk. I know Mullens struggled at Ohio St., but from what I've read and from some of the basketball alumni that I've talked to at OSU, many people down there felt it was Coach That Matta who held Mullens back from doing more. Plus, I just feel that skilled big men are too rare to pass up at a #16 slot and the Bulls should have the proper personnel (experience from Brad Milelr and a high energy personality in Noah should help this kid) and assistant coaches to develop one.
I'm with you on Blair also. I like him A LOT, but those knees are a huge question mark. Definitely a great comparison to Paul Milsap and if anyone watched Blair play with U of Pitt the last 2 College seasons, he's an extremely talented and tough bruiser down low with basketball smarts. Drafting Blair and Sam Young at #26 would not disappoint me at all, but I'd definitely clear his knees on a physical with no doubt whatsoever.
Tyler Hansbrough - hmmm, I don't know. I've seen him play many times and I liked his game also and he's a 4-year College guy so he won't exactly hurt a team that drafts him, but man, did he really get taken to school by Blake Griffin in the NCAA tournament a couple months ago. I guess if Blair, Mullens and Henderson are gone by #16, then I'm fine with Hansbrough as a trading piece.
James Johnson - too much like Luol Deng and Tim Thomas and we already have too much money invested at that position. the bulls shouldnt be looking to draft small forwards at all unless they can magically trade those 2 guys.
Earl Clark - see James Johnson above. He's projected to go early anyway and I certainly wouldn't trade 2 first round picks to draft him.
Keith I share your disdain for Duke players I guess mainly because I'm a Tar Heel fan and having said that as much as I like Ty Lawson the Bulls don't need another SHORT guard and as effective as Tyler Hansbrough was at UNC I don't see him as an NBA star, he has all the grace of a ruptured elephant.
Edgar is right on. you don't trade 2 picks to move up four slots. At this juncture I have no preference other than for the Bulls to get the best player or players they can by whatever method works out best in the long haul.
Edgar - What can I say but thanks for that advice. Your opinion is definitely more informed than mine. I'm just dreaming and speaking as a fan. Hey, I hope all this salary cap stuff is not an excuse.
But I know this much for sure - if the Bulls are going to try and build through the draft, they might as well just trade Derrick Rose for some draft picks because he is going to FAIL here for YEARS. Boston and LA didn't move until their stars told them - I AM NO LONGER GOING TO CARRY THIS LOSING FRANCHISE and its miserable draft picks. Kobe and Pierce GOT their much-needed help, and Labron is going to have to do it that way also. Building through the draft is futile. Rose is going to figure that out - and that my friend is NOT Rocket Science.
Edgar you just killed my hoops buzz man.
I like Jordan Hill, but he's projected to go anywhere from #3 to #7 so I never really considered him and I don't believe he was ever invited by the Bulls for a private workout because of that fact. Great size, good NBA body and a high energy guy, but most mock drafts don't have him lasting past the Wizards at #5. And don't think they'd take Hinrich plus #16 & #26 for their #5 either... ;-)
Mick Swagger knows nothing Jodie Meeks got the third best 3/4 court sprint at the draft combine in Chicago out of 50 players, and it was a better score than Ty Lawson.
set up team to be in best position to grab 2 top free agents in 2010. trade picks for moving up in draft, for veteran player/s who can help now (big muscle/power player up front, we need someone who can physically intimidate) or that have expiring contracts. it is time to make a move, not to worry about this imaginary future of success that we keep getting sold.
Well Keith, sorry to kill the hype for you, but all is not that lost. SOMETHING WILL HAPPEN in July when free agency period begins and you can bet that either Hinrich will be packaged in a trade and Ben Gordon re-signed with the Bulls or Ben Gordon prices himself out of the bidding war, Hinrich stays a Bull and the Bulls will try to find a combo guard in free agency to compensate for BG's loss. It's just that don't expect a big name signing this season, try to be patient for next year. It's not like the Bulls will flop this upcoming season, just don't kill yourself expecting a Championship run is all I'm saying. I'm just being realistic so that I don't set myself up for a big disappointment again next season. Another playoff run, sure, but they'll come up short again and perhaps that will be good enough to entice one or two of those free agent bonanzas in 2010 to sign with the Bulls. In the meantime, however, the beat must go on with the NBA Draft and they have to do what they can to draft for the future. Let the kids grow along with Rose and develop some needed chemistry. You always have to have a backup plan.
Gar Forman's take on this year’s draft?
"We feel pretty optimistic that if we do stay at 16, we can get a good, productive player, a guy that can play a role for us. And we feel that way at 26, also. We think there will be some intriguing players there".
That sounds great Gar! I sure am "intrigued"
You can never have too many watered down role players on one team.
I will be sure to tune in to see what lovely role players you pick up.
Tim - Love those Tarheels!!! Now that is an NBA farm system. And you are right about Tyler, but Lawson is going to be a good player off the bench that can help immediately. If you are going to lose Kirk or Ben, we need to replace that. I don't like his size either, but I know he can handle the BALL and someone is going to have to do that on the second unit. Mr. Lawson is a baller. I am a real stickler for size, but sometimes you have to look past that. You take a small player if he is SPECIAL and able to make his deficiencies an asset. This guy can handle the rock and score. He is a champion and a giant killer. If you are going to roll the dice - let it be on a TREMENDOUS talent or a big guy like that tall joker from Ohio State. But at least Lawson will be able to give Rose a decent rest on the bench and find Noah and Thomas in the post. And he will be able to do that immediately.
Boy, I'm sure with you on Gar also, Phil. Gar was sure trained very well for his new position as I could have also sworn that Pax and Krause used those very same lines every time they held a press conference about the Bulls Drafts. Its funny because I don't see how any fan can take Gar seriously anyway. John Paxson is basically still the head of the basketball operations, likely meaning he (along with Reinsdorf) still will make the final decisions and poor old Gar Forman will come out to explain them. Good luck to Gar, but most of us still know who the real brains of this operation really are. Round 1 to Paxson this year for pulling off the Miller/Salmons trade, but let's see what you can do for an encore this offseason. (hint: For one, get Marcus Camby's expiring contract from the Clippers! The Clippers can be had with their logjam of big men on roster)
**ALERT** See what I mean....veterans/proven players. Chicago is talking about kids and projects.
Read below:
Milwaukee sent swingman Richard Jefferson(notes) to San Antonio on Tuesday for Bruce Bowen(notes), Kurt Thomas(notes) and Fabricio Oberto(notes), taking three aging bench players with expiring contracts to unload Jefferson and the $29.2 million owed in the final two years of his contract.
Milwaukee then dealt Oberto to the Pistons for forward Amir Johnson(notes). The trades give the Bucks more financial flexibility, the Spurs a proven scorer and the Pistons a veteran big man at a lower cost than Johnson.
Jefferson, 29, averaged 19.6 points in his one season with the Bucks. The trade gave both sides what they were after: Milwaukee needed to cut its payroll, and the Spurs needed and a young and healthy offensive threat after a long distinction as the NBA’s oldest team.
Now um really mad:( Dont tell me what you can do with picks. TRADE em. Wizards are smart!
MINNEAPOLIS (AP)—The Minnesota Timberwolves are set to have one busy draft day.
The Timberwolves agreed to trade guards Randy Foye(notes) and Mike Miller(notes) to the Washington Wizards for the fifth overall draft pick and three players, leaving Minnesota with four first-round choices and plenty of ammunition to do even more wheeling and dealing.
Two NBA officials with knowledge of the deal confirmed that the trade had been agreed upon Tuesday night. They spoke on condition of anonymity because the deal had not been completed.
The deal would give Minnesota the fifth and sixth overall selections in Thursday’s NBA draft, as well as forwards Etan Thomas(notes), Darius Songaila(notes) and Oleksiy Pecherov(notes).
So basically what you're saying Keith is that the bulls would have taken a giant step towards a Championship with Richard Jefferson or Mike Miller & Randy Foye. In other words, you'd rather get these guys NOW and commit to their long term contracts as opposed to trying to manage your cap space TODAY to give themselves a chance to bid on the more stellar 2010 class. Come on, look at the details of those trades... outside of Derrick Rose, who on our Bulls team would the Spurs have been interested in over Richard Jefferson? Luol Deng? - um, no. Tim Thomas + Jerome James? - uh, no. Kirk Hinrich? - uh, not with Ginobili and Parker already on the team and even then, no over Jefferson. Tyrus Thomas? - no, not at this time.
And then the Minnesota and Washington trade involved a 5th overall pick, not a #16 or a #24.
That's why I keep saying that the Bulls are basically handcuffed. And you SPECIFICALLY said a SUPERSTAR PROVEN VETERAN. Jefferson is a decent stat guy, but he's not a superstar. Has he even been an all-star? I don't think so. Foye and Miller don't even put them in that criteria that is lacking on the Bulls to get them to the next level.
Too many people talking about players that aren't gonna be there! We have no ammo for trade so let's live with who we're gonna get at 16 and 26. seeing as we're only eight deep right now, we could pick up two guys who might stick 4 the year.
The List for 16 and 26;
BJ Mullens
Terrence Williams
Ty Lawson
Sam Young
Wayne Ellington
Tyler Hansbrough
Blair should be gone. Rebounding machines don't last long, regardless of whether defensive matchups are gonna be a prob, and most everybody else mentioned will either not be there or don't fit our needs.
Good group, but surely not a draft to get excited about.
You are right Edgar.
That really did sound like Gar was towing the company line there while Paxson pulls the strings. It looks like he will be the whipping boy figure to buffer Paxson from the type of criticism that he received last season. Did it not look like he was ready to crack at one point back in February?
That kind of statement has been dragged out over and over again and it just sounds so uninspiring. Just letting the whole thing come to you as you settle for what ever the draft regurgitates into your lap.
That may sound like a good idea to Pax but it is so lethargic and bland and timid…. Yuk!
Like a sink full of cold greasy dishwater.
Remember him saying that he was not even watching the lottery selection and he found out that they had the first pick from his kid?
Then he acted like he could not stand the pressure of having to take the number one pick and it seemed like he just wanted it to be over with.
What the hell was that all about?
Why not treat the draft as an opportunity instead of a dreadful chore that has to be done?
Getting that number one pick last year was a miracle and I would hate to think of the Bulls future if that ball had not bounced the their way.
They were given a gift and they don’t know what to do with it.
Maybe Paxson has settled for being a role player as the G.M. just like he did as a player.
Not a star, not the go to guy, not the leader… just a bit player who hits some and misses some and is happy with that.
Middle of the road.
Middle of the pack.
Edgar - I am realistic and reasonable. I think with both picks the Bulls could have brokered a deal for a PROVEN player. Not a star or superstar. All um saying is that the Bulls could have gotten a nice post veteran like Etan Thomas, or a defensive guard like Raja Bell for those picks. A deal could have been made for a proven player. All um saying is get a guy who knows the league and doesn't have to be taught and pampered who can come off the bench and help when Noah or Salmons gets in foul trouble. Not somebody who is going to get in the game and make things worse. A GUY that can help us in a first or second round matchup in the playoffs. Vinny didn't even have confidence in Thomas and he was in his 2nd year. And Thomas is 10 times the player of anyone in the draft.
I think the Bulls would be smarter trading those picks for 10 scratch-off lotto tickets.
Alright Keith, so in a nutshell, you'd rather the Bulls spend or trade whatever limited free agency money they have in THIS OFFSEASON for a Raja Bell and Etan Thomas over the 2 first round draft picks. Etan Thomas and his overpaid $60 million contract is 10 times the player over a DeJuan Blair or Tyler Hansbrough. Gotcha. Wow. And let me just clarify one last time... when you say PROVEN NBA player, you mean an NBA player with Championship experience or just an established NBA professional? Last I remember, Raja Bell or Etan Thomas don't have rings so I'm guessing the latter. Alright man, that's your opinion then. Whew, thank goodness you're not the Bulls' GM is all I gotta say... ;-) LOL
Edgar, I know this much, Raja Bell and Etan Thomas are VETS that know how to get down and dirty. Either is worth two measely draft picks. I know Etan is not making 60mil. If he is, there is someone else we could have gotten. All I know is that you use the draft for prospecting, but just like Poker, when you have the kind of cards we have - you throw them back to the dealer. And I know that some good players are in the draft, but its like finding a needle in a haystack. I'd rather conceed that and take a good solid body from another team and let them roll the dice. Now go back up there and look at what Minnesota did: They got draft picks, but they also got: forwards Etan Thomas(notes), Darius Songaila(notes) and Oleksiy Pecherov(notes). Those are solid vets that will help them NOW. And the Wizards picked up some nice pieces also for their measely draft picks. You just cannot believe that you will find the Willy Wonka Ticket in the draft.
Ok Keith, now we're talking here... you were right, not exactly $50 million (i meant to type 50, not 60) for Etan Thomas, but he signed a 6-year $46 million contract with the Wizards last year before he was moved to the Wolves. 2008 averages: 3.1 ppg, 2.1 rebs/gm. and .7 blks/gm. 2007 averages: 6.1 ppg, 5.8 rebs/gm, 1.4 blks/gm. Yep, championship level role player there and worth the money? I don't think so. I'd rather roll the dice on the draft and manage the cap space to TRY for the 2010 free agents. Just my opinion, but I understand where you're coming from, Keith. I really do.
Edgar - the truth is we are both huge Bulls fans. I am passionate and trully deep down hope the Bulls select the next big thing with one of those picks. That's the truth. I just want improvement. It really wont matter either way. I am a bird in the hand kind of guy and really want the Bulls to think about ROSE. I strongly think Rondo benefits from playing with veterans. Instead if him having to direct rookies, the vets get to direct him and that makes a world of difference. It protects him from being keyed on and it causes him to develop defensively as well as offensively. Vets made a huge impact on the Bulls last year.
Edgar its not personal - we just have different philosophies. Of course you are the resident expert. The only cap I understand sits on my head. But it has a Bull Logo on the Front :)
GO BULLS TONIGHT!!!! JUST IMPROVE!!! Pleeeeeease!
Keith is way off base. We need vets but good vets that are useful and aren't being overpaid. Etan Thomas sucks. Mike Miller and Foye are both good but not difference makers.
Many of the teams that are making trades(Orlando, San Antonio) are already contenders so they can make little tweaks here and there. We are nowhere near that point. Trading for marginal players simply because they are veterans isn't a good idea.
WE need to make a big change so instead of wasting money on scrubs, let's pick up some cheap depth in the draft and get a couple stars in 2010. I don't see any other way to build a champion here.
McSwagger - I agree with most of your posts and HOPE for all our sakes that I am wrong. I believe the Bulls are going to do just as you and Edgar have recommended, and they are going to get up to the table at free agency time - and hear - sorry Chicago, I am not interested and decided to stay with the team I am on. I trully don't have confidence in any other player moving except Bosh. And when he makes his choice - it will be to a team that only needs HIM as the only missing piece to win it all.
How is it that everyone seems to forget about the other 30ish teams when coming up with all these ideas?
1-it isn't like the Bulls are the Clippers so be thankful for that
2-it isn't as if Bulls management is completely inept and that only bad decisions on who to draft and who to buy have put them where they are--other teams are working at getting the same things and sometimes have more money, better pitches or just have locations that players would rather go to
3-take a look at the players the Bulls have let go--how many are still in the league (quite a few)--sometimes it is a system or set of priorities that results in players failing at one stop and then thriving at another
No team dominates regularly in the modern era--even multiple Championship teams usually have one dominant year, but then have to scrimp and scrape to win again--even teams with outrageous salary (Knicks) and loaded with superstars (Celtics) don't get it done--how much better were they than the Bulls?
Sit back and enjoy what we have now--and remember the Tim Floyd and post MJ days--be thankful 1 day in 7 for having an entertaining team--even if they make you want to alternately pull your hair out, kick your TV or throw up on the other days.
Glen you are right! I certainly am happy those days are behind us. I will be there with the Bulls regardless. But this blog is the place where hopes and dreams live. Where you can be a GM, Coach and Fan. And definitely where you discuss "what could have been". Bulls were done until they got that lottery pick last year. And after that - "life" was injected into the team, fans and city. And with that one pick, the sky is the limit. How can you ask us to not dream?
Exactly Glen. Listen to Keith here, he nailed it about the FCP blog. Besides, if you're asking us diehards to just sit back and enjoy what we have now from an entertaining team and that's it, then it's almost like you're accepting mediocrity. Sorry, that's just not going to cut it with the Bulls. I don't want to just be satisfied with a 41-41 record and a 7-game first round exit from the Playoffs, albeit an entertaining first round. The moment you're just satisfied with just mediocrity, then that's where they (Reinsdorf) get you hooked... and laughing to the bank. Think about it, I just read the other day that good old Reinsdorf might become an investing partner to the Phoenix Coyotes of the NHL. And this guy has the audacity to tell the media and Bulls fans that they won't touch the Luxury Tax territory when making personnel moves? It's amazing how much this guy has some fans brainwashed into giving him so much undeserved credit as an NBA owner.
Who do i want the bulls to draft well as you know we got James Johnson and Tai Gibson Not to happy well the Bulls should try to get Joe Smith again because you know he could get points if he wants to hes getting older but just give him one more year we lost Ben Gordon so what we need is a productive shooting guard like A.I. hes a free agent as you know who will get him to early to know but as i know and other people we have a clue and write a comment if u know one of the wrost teams he wants to go to we should also try to get WADe next year thow because imange how good the bulls will be and when he doesnt want to be a bull anymore we could trade him for 3 productive people so dont lose hope bulls fans remember this a true bulls fan never gives up on them