C'mon, this is a slam dunk, right? The Bulls can't afford not to pick Derrick Rose on Thursday.
It would immediately wash away - at least for a while - the sour taste from what was perceived to be an embarrassing coaching search.
The spotlight would shift from novice coach Vinny Del Negro to the arrival of Chicago's favorite son.
There is no solid argument against picking Rose. Del Negro even said he shot better than expected during his private workout.
The Bulls have needed a big point guard forever. Here he is. No baggage.
Pax talked today about how this pick won't necessarily be judged next season, but a few years down the road. He had to be talking about Rose. Beasley is expected to do some scoring right away, Rose also will have an impact but he's viewed more as someone the Bulls can build around.
This is easy. The coaching search has made some of us anxious.
If Vinny doesnt like the sound of boos or the taste of raw eggs he'd better take Rose! And I am not like some, I would take an established young star for Rose like D.Wade or Carmello. All I care is that we add the much needed stud, or the much needed point-guard. And Measley is neither of those! I trully believe that getting a point will draw a stud or vice-versa. And that will open things up in free agency. Even if Measley turns out to be like say...Kevin Garnett, you see what has to be added to get a championship out of that kind of player??? Even the great Tim Duncan has a ton of talent around him. The likes of Deron William, Baron Davis, and Chris Paul takes your garbage and transforms it unto a contender.
You take Rose, Jermaine Old-NEAL or Elton Brand in Free Agency and go for the Labron Sweepstakes in two years when their salaries come off the books! And you throw everything you got at Labron! Even allow him to wear No23! With Mikes permission of course!
Chicago is in for an unbelievable treat in Derrick Rose.
I live in Memphis and saw most of his games. His speed is blinding, and he has it all. Penny Hardaway played for Memphis, and there is no comparision. As good as Penny was, Rose is at a whole new level. It would be worth it to go to his games just to watch the passes he makes.
Actually Roman, I was anxious for the offseason to come along ever since the players quit on the season last year (the day Noah fought with Ben Wallace because of the laughing bench in the Orlando game after a loss, I knew the season was lost), topped off by the Skiles firing. Winning the draft lottery was just a blessing, but it's not the final solution. I was expecting big changes everywhere and all we've had so far is a slow, deliberate process in decision-making. What's sad is that we still haven't finalized the coaching staff! In my case, this draft will not shift my spotlight away from the coaching staff because I'm still waiting to hear about the so-called offensive and defensive assistant gurus that the Bulls are planning to unveil.
But this isn't a slam dunk for the Bulls on Rose. I know the Bulls are still pondering what to do with the roster after the draft because whether it's Rose or Beasley, either guy will cause a logjam at the guard and forward positions. I still contend that if the Bulls have totally given up on Tyrus Thomas, then Beasley will be the pick because you can't possibly have Thomas, Gooden, Beasley and Deng all on the same team and expect team chemistry improvement next season. If no team out there is interested in any of our current forwards and we have to keep them, then there's no point in drafting Beasley. With Rose, it would be easier to rebuild the team identity around him and it will be easier to package a trade offer for another position outside of a point guard or Center.
My best scenario for the Bulls: Draft Rose and then try to acquire one of the other lottery picks to complete the youth movement again by dangling any combination of Hinrich/Nocioni/Deng/Hughes/Gooden. COMMIT to the youth movement instead of trying to prove to fans that they can still contend next season. Play uptempo and stress "defense creates offense" and just play smart basketball. If I can see all that progressing along, I can live with 1 or 2 years of more losing on TV. Development development development. Del Negro and his assistants better prove that they can teach and communicate because that's the only way that the team will get any better. It's a simple formula: 1st time head coach + #1 draft pick = rebuilding.
Let's take a look at the recent "trend" towards point guards... Did you see that change the Celt's? Sure Utah and NO did well, but didn't their front lines really allow for the penetration and outside shooting that caused those teams to do so well? How about a great, and proven, Chicagoan: D-Wade; isn't he vasty superior to either of those two? Get him for the No.1 pick, and team him up with our young team, as the proven leader, THEN see where we go. To me this is just like getting KG.... a NO brainer. Now, of course, Pax can't think outside the box, pull the trigger etc. If the Bulls are going to get better, NOW, then getting D-Wade is the solid move.
the best choice is derrick rose.but is he the best for the bulls? we need a strong forward who has the ability to post-up and score inside. we need rebounding! we are very tight at the 1 & 2 and very suspect in the 4 spot, Beasley comes ready to play, keep Gooden trade tyrus and draft beasley. We need inside help and leadership come from within the person not the position they play! Last Dang didn't sign a contract offer, he would be great trade bait, lets mix this up. My dream team for the bulls would be,Beasley and gooden at the forward spots then tabo and hughes at the guard spots with noah at center.If boston can so can we.
Rose is an unbelievable talent in an league where the point guard position is starting to rise with great potential. But if im the Bulls im taking Michael Beasley, I watched this kid in College and he was in a league by himself, they cant stop him, cant contain him, how on earth can u pass up 30 points and 15 rebounds, with great size and athleticism, easy, u don't. Much success to Rose, but Beasley is what the bulls need.
we need a strong forward who has the ability to post-up and score inside. (lester)
this has to be a misprint....you think we need another FWD who can score? what about Louall,Gooden,Bozo the Potsmoker...
i mean...Othello Harrington was a fwd who could score in the post...
oh wait...how about we trade the pick for Micheal Sweetney? His low post drop step is SCARY!!!!
Brandon L is obviously in dreamland... Beasley averaged 26 pts and 12 boards, not 30 and 15! Geez, talk about exaggeration. And then he said Beasley with great size and athleticism... 6'7" is Luol Deng's height and in terms of athleticism, Derrick Rose measured much faster in speed & agility drills and much higher vertical jumping measurements than Beasley. ALL FACTS, no exaggeration. Man, some of you guys must really come prepared with better arguments if you want to challenge in this blog post!
And please, stop the the comparisons with building a championship contending team like the 2008 Boston Celtics already. The blueprint for their success wasn't because they figured out how to win without a true point guard, they simply SPENT MONEY and acquired star players in Garnett and Allen and bought experienced role players like PJ Brown and James Posey. They ignored the NBA salary cap and they ignored the luxury tax penalties. In other words, they BOUGHT A CHAMPIONSHIP, they didn't build a championship team from scratch in the hope of winning multiple Championships. They gave away their future to win 1 today. If some of you think that's the way to build a Championship team, that's fine, but the Bulls are not going to do this with their team ever, not while Reinsdorf is around.
I saw Deron Williams play from day one at Illinois, and Rose is better in most facets of the game than Deron was at that age. Actually, I didn't think Williams was going to be as good as he turned out, so Derricks' ceiling looks unlimited.
As a Chicago fan, I'm just grateful to have the initial pick in the first place. I'd love to see Rose QB the Bulls, but Beasley and a sharp free agent PG wouldn't quell my interest in the team.
I don't see Paxson blowing this one, being a guard himself, and hopefully the knuckleheads in Lake Forest watch enough games afterward to see how important it is to have a qualified leader who can actually get the ball to someone, and make everyone else around him play to the best of their abilities.
Boston Shmoston. I see Chicago sports on the upswing, and if our baseball teams are followed up by a good fall/winter showing, the skies the limit.
Unless you're Derrick Rose, of course.
How many power forwards have been dominate in college only to disappoint in the NBA? Remember Marcus Fizer? The Bulls have some scoring ability down low IF they have someone to get the ball there! Draft Rose trade some of the midgets for cash to hire a defensive coach and let's get it on!
People should vote with their eyes and not their heart. Beasley is the paick and anybody who's constantly watched basketball can see that. Don't tell me he's a character risk because of a couple high school pranks. If I had a dollar for everyone that committed a high school prank I'd be rich. Derrick rose is a good player but douglas roberts was clearly the best player until march madness on that team. John Paxson drafted tyrus thomas because he had a great post season. We see how that turned out. We've never been able to recover from losing elton brand. For the last three four years everyone on tv has said that the bulls are to gaurd heavy and won't be able to win a championship until they get a low post presents. Well this is our chance. We don't need derrick rose to sell tickets, this is not seattle. The bulls sell out whether they win or lose.
Rose/ Beasley, Beasley/ Rose...
Both should be exceptional NBA players. Beasley is probably the safer pick although I don't envision him dominating the pro game like he did in college at 6ft-8in. Rose, however, has the bigger upside assuming he is capable of developing a jumpshot to go with his exceptional speed and ballhandling ability. IMHO, the Bulls would be better suited with a quality point gaurd who can break down defenses singlehandedly. Chicago already has scoring 6-8 forwards in Nocioni and Deng, but, there isn't a gaurd on the roster who can consistently break down defenses while looking to pass and/ or score. Were it up to self, I would draft Rose then, put Heinrich, Hughes and either Noce or Luol on the trading block to try to acquire a decent post player who can shoot from 18 ft in a la Antonio McDyess, Rasheed Wallace, Elton Brand, Carlos Boozer or maybe even Jermaine O'Neal, assuming he can recover from his recent injuries. If only Reinsdorf would loosen the purse strings and go after a top-tier free-agent instead of targeting the less expensive and consequently, less effective middle to lower ecehlon available players, (see Wallace, Hughes, Gooden etc...), perhaps Chicago can once again become a team with an actual chance to win a championship! Wishful thinking, of course, but, one can always hope! LOL Either Rose or Beasley will look good in a Chicago uniform, but, I think Rose would fill a bigger need.
T.I.M.
Hey, they got Vinny from "Welcome Back, Kotter" to coach the team, so they really need to add Freddie "Boom Boom" Washington to the cast (Hey there, Mr. Kot-ter). Too bad Beasley looks more like Washington. Hinrich could handle the role of Horshack and Reinsdorf could be Mr. Kot-ter. And of course, Epstein would be played by none other than Joakim Noah.
Shawn I believe you were near the WTC because obviously one of those bricks hit you in the head. If Measley was so good, why is there even a controversy? The little guy is never in competition with the big guy unless the little guy is the better of the two. Bulls have taken the big guy in the last 3. Time to take the little guy. Blame it on Chris Paul, Blame it Deron Williams, or as Milli Vanilli once sang "Blame it on the RAIN"! But Vinny and Pax better pick Rose or come back with a stud! They mess this up and I will personally ask Edgar to not go to the UC! (thats all I can do because I caint afford a chitlin bucket to play with the bucket boys)
Two words for Rose: Super Star
Two words for Beasley: Marcus Fizer (2008 version)
Rose is not just the next face of the Bulls but the next face of the NBA. This kid just exudes specialness that you can see in his face and hear in his name. The basketball gods are obviously Bulls Fans... I am so stoked!!!
take rose. if this beasley is as good as advertised, trade with miami. let them have their choice of 2 of gordon, dang, or hinrich. maybe even an extra draft choice
Bulls haven't had a point guard since, well, since drafting hinrich number one and giving him max contract. Then gordon was supposed to play some point. So that's two right there. Why nod add a third, make a trifecta. Course, both kirk and ben have some shortcomings, that have become apparent. And Rose's free throw shooting and jumpshot will be exposed over time too. Just getting to the rim isn't going to cut it in NBA, not when you're 6'4", unless you like getting knocked down.
To me the best player in this draft is going to be Mayo. I wouldn't be suprised if the heat take him instead of beasley. If the bulls could trade down and still get mayo they'd be much closer to winning in the playoffs, than drafting just rose. But they'll go with the hometown hereo, sell some tickets and spend another 5 years rebuilding.
Tim...no way you are just now bringing up Marcus Fizer.....i think that was post #2 when the topic of Beasley was first brought up...
did i say post..i meant...blog area!!
Shawn I believe you were near the WTC because obviously one of those bricks hit you in the head.
If Measley was so good, why is there even a controversy?
KTMFLSS
Keith...
*Not to go without saying two of your funniest lines of 08 and they are back to back!!!!
OK....Davan is stoked...i am FLIPPIN STOKED>>>>>>>>>> ROSE OR BUST!!!!
also...we should have a seperate BLOG-AREA-THREAD-TYPE-POST-SPOT
where we try to come up with all the POTENTIAL HEADLINES THAT WILL TRY TO ENCORPERATE ROSE in them!?!!?
LIKE...
Im taking...
"A ROSE BY ANY OTHER NAME"
Shawn...here is a website for you bro...or should i say BROTHER?
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/019907.php
Culzie I'm not just bringing up Fizer now, I was one of those that brought it up way back when, I just wanted to reiterate it for those that missed it and seem obsessed with Measley (as keith has tagged him). You may also recall at that time I had mentioned that just hearing Beasley's name reminded me of the Mrs. Beasley doll my little sister dragged around with her everywhere til it fell apart and recently she saw one on e-bay and probably paid too much to get it just like someone will to get Michael Beasley.
BTW keith those might not be chitlin buckets, I have a couple buckets like that I use for fishin and they were flour buckets from a bakery.
Take Rose! I shot ball with his brother!
Roman responds: Was he any good?
I don't know where all this Marcus Fizer stuff is coming from. If you were truly watching basketball in 99-00, beasley looks nothing like fizer. Also get off this whole height thing. Charles Barkley was no more than 6'6 and we know how he turned out. Everybody or the Bulls had a bad season. I don't think it was just kirk hinrich. Ben, kirk, larry, ts are cool. Remember we made it to the playoffs with these gaurds that everybody continues to jump on. Our forwards are the problem. deng and noch are cool but tyrus, gray, noah, gooden suck. You can't squeeze 15 points betwwen the four of them. rose is cool but stop comparing him to williams and paul. Them guys were amazing in college. Rose didn't really start showing that much until march madness. People stop saying its a point gaurd league now because it's not. Boston and the lakers prove that. It's only five great pg's in the league and that's paul, williams, billups, parker, nash. thats it out of 32 teams and none of them were in the finals. This is still a fowards league. as far as bulls we're not in rebuilding mode. We've been one low post player alway of the last 4 years. Derrick rose is only 19, we want to win now not 4 years from now. rose said it hisself that beasley is the better player so that should go for something.
Once again Rose to Thomas could be better than Nash to Marion. I truly believe Thomas will have a breakout season. With that being said it will be important to clear cap space. My concern is can we jump back in the 1st round to nab either Mcgee or Jordan. Hinrich or Nocioni would be good. Gooden is on the last year of a deal, so depending on our record he will probably be gone by the trading deadline. That leaves Noah and Thomas to man the 4. If they really want to get crazy they can trade Deng to get back into the 1st round and grab either Green or Batum. Either you have to keep Gordon, because he is the only scorer on the roster. I really like I mean really think Jordan would be a great upside pick.
Check this out... so I was doing a little NBA Draft research in the last 20 years this morning and it appears that this year's Draft is shaping up to be amazingly similar to the 1994 NBA Draft where Milwaukee selected Glenn Robinson #1 and Dallas drafted Jason Kidd at #2. Now how's that for comparison with Michael Beasley and Derrick Rose?? For the newer generation of basketball fans out there who don’t remember Glenn Robinson, he was even more dominant than Beasley in College (Robinson single-handedly took Purdue to the Final Four while Beasley's team lost in the 1st round) and he was also essentially a scoring machine with rebounding skills. Plus, I still think that the talent level and matchups in the NCAA back in the 90’s was not as watered down like today which makes Robinson’s feats at the College level even more impressive than Beasley. They both play the same type of game, although I think Beasley plays a bit of a more physical game and is a better overall rebounder than Robinson was, but it's a close comparison. And then Derrick Rose's abilities compare very much to Jason Kidd, but Rose is more athletic and more explosive attacking the basket while Kidd is the better pure passer. Unfortunately, comparisons aside, both Kidd and Robinson have never won an NBA Championship. Robinson is no longer in the NBA and Kidd is still going on strong and is a member of the 2008 men’s basketball Olympic team stacked with NBA stars. People and even the media experts still want to say that the NBA is “star-driven” league today (isn’t that the case for ALL pro sports?), but you still have to collect those stars on 1 team. 1 star player can’t do it alone. But that's why it's still all about team play and the best fit over individual skills, unless you want to just "buy" a Championship team like the Celtics did by acquiring 2 all-star talents in Garnett and Ray Allen, which by contrast, are TWO bonafide all-star acquisitions done in 1 year more than Reinsdorf has done in 23 years for the Bulls! Remember, the Bulls are not going to "buy" a roster full of stars, you're just gonna have to hope that they draft a future NBA star/s and get them to gel together and then add a couple of bargain priced experienced role players from the outside to become a Championship contender because that's the path I see them going with our beloved Bulls team. Ah well, just food for thought here…
Roman responds: Great post Edgar. I am old enough to remember Robinson. In fact, I covered him all through high school at Gary Roosevelt. He singlehandedly led his team to the state title, including a thrilling win over Alan Henderson's Indianapolis team. During one sequence, Glenn blocked Henderson's shot three consecutive times.
He was the best high school player I ever saw until I covered Quentin Richardson and Whitney Young.
Really good post. The comparisons are fair. I may get this in the paper.
Sure, Beasley may give you 27 & 12 on a nightly basis, but he will give up 26 & 11 on the other end. Rose is th pick.
Look at the NCAAs. K-State got blown out by Wisconsin, and Beasley wasn't even the best player on his own team in that game. He is a stat monster, sure, but not a winner.
Beasley is Marcus Fizer with less tattoos (and Fizer at least took his team somewhere in the tourney).
yeah...all the Chris Kristoffersons dancing thru my head can't be wrong....Pick The Rose, Jerry...you can smell the intangibles on Rose ..only 19, he's already in full bloom...even to people who don't have a nose for that sorta thing...like Bette Midler's...Knows it wreaks like Rose in Chicago..
Yeah...A "Shoot Yourself in the Headlines" competition about cheesy Derrick Rose diatribes might be nice..
Ya wanna freak his family members out...ya can take the time to smell the Rose's before draft day..
Shawn...the problem with you and the rest of the conspiricy theorists is.....from one mouth you call Bush both Gomer Pile and Dr. Evil....which is it?
Ah, that's right Roman, you're an Indy native and a Purdue grad, right? Yes, Glenn Robinson was almost a legend in Indiana basketball. That quick release jumper of his was extraordinary. I thought he'd be a solid NBA all-star for many years, but it just never happened (I believe knee injuries derailed his NBA career for the most part). His monster College stats also made the very same draft buzz and draft debate that Beasley supporters are having now and I don't blame them.
Growing up in Chicago, I watched a lot of great high school public league basketball stars in person back in the day and Q. Richardson was up there for sure (he had serious hops and was a great rebounder in both high school and in College), but you could tell he was too undersized to flourish in the NBA and sure enough, he's now just a three point NBA shooter today when healthy. You just never know about certain young basketball prodigies. I had the luxury to catch a couple of old Farragut games with Kevin Garnett and Ronnie Fields and at the time, that was the best high school talent I've seen in person. Before that tandem, it was Marcus Liberty and Nick Anderson who I've met and had practices with down at U of I. Unfortunately, Fields had that car accident and Liberty became a head case wreck in College, while Nick Anderson had a somewhat decent NBA career who helped deny Jordan a 7th NBA title if anyone remembers that Jordan comeback playoff series against Orlando. ;)
Bottom line, you just never know and that's why the NBA GM's get paid the big bucks. However, based on my experiences growing up with this sport and following the sport religiously from high school ball up to the pros for over 30 years of my life, I'd gamble with Rose's unlimited potential and team play in the long run over short term success with Beasley's abilities today. People are underestimating the height measurements. That's a big deal and a proven fact when you talk to the pro and college scouts.
Which leads me to Bighank's comments earlier... it's funny that you mention that Beasley does not look like Marcus Fizer in College, but then in the very next sentence, you bring up Charles Barkley and his success in the NBA as an undersized forward, yet Beasley also doesn't have Barkley's body and build as well! Barkley was a freak of nature and a true once-in-a-decade type of basketball talent who was an exception to the normal standards of most NBA forwards. He's just not a very good comparison with Beasley, guys.
Keith LSS, just read your last post... hahaha, pretty funny. You don't have to worry, I'm not renewing my season tickets this season, and that includes me and my 3 other basketball buddies. No turning back regardless of the draft pick and whatever trades and asst. coaches they come up with. I am not spending any more money at the UC on Bulls games until Reinsdorf sells the team or officially sticks his nose out of Bulls operations similar to what Michael McCaskey did with the Bears. I'll travel to Milwaukee to watch NBA games live instead. Your favorite coach is there, Keith.. Scott Skiles!
I'll the only person in the midwest who've been hearing cries for a low post presents on the bulls for the last four years. Derrick rose better me the next isiah thomas or im going to crush the bulls for years to come. He can't shoot jumpers, three pointers, or free throws. Everybody has been just picking on beasley for no reason, just trying to find things. saying he's derrick coleman or gleen robinson is disrespectful. He single handedly dominated kansas twice, going off on them for 25 and 6 and then 39 and 11. rose only averaged 4 assist all year in the weakest conference in america. douglas roberts clearly was the best player on that team all year. even in the 4 march madness games roberts had 22,24,25,28 so don't be acting like rose did it all by himself. Beasley carried kansas state all year. rose was on a team thats been good for the last 3 or 4 years. I'm through trying to fight this fight by myself. Beasley can score from everywhere, how ever you want it. The world is blinded by potential. two years ago they said tyrus thomas had potential. Forget that beasley has GAME and that's what you need to be successful in this league.
Edgar...love the post#1...for sure paperworthy....still a bit too wordy for my tired old snap shot mind....but...worth the read.
I actually thought Glenn Robinson was going to be the NEXT MAGIC JOHNSON..and...i tried to convince my parents that Buying Season Tickets to the Bucks woulda been a better investment than Oil Futures....
ok..i get a few wrong every now and then...but he was THAT GOOD IN COLLEGE!!!
Q wasnt as good as Klienschmidt!!!
Yes, in the late 80s at Hubbard, I have played with all the b-ball members. Reggie has good lateral movement, a pretty quick first step, and a decent to good 16-20 ft jumper. His defense was ok, but he was pretty tall and lean and could make blocks by his height. If Derrick is really 6'2", they are both the same size, although from the bio Derrick looks a little bigger.
Reggie was a good player, and a leaper. He had a quick release, but not as accurate when playing to his maximum ability. I liked his game, hope Derrick's is as good as if not better than Reggie's. Derrick does look quicker, and a lot more athletic.
I usually reserve headbutting to the zany, and this one takes the cake. Culzie, that payote out there must be of the same grade they used in "Young Guns".
Q wasn't as good as Kleinschmidt!!!
You either played against Tom and were amazed by his hustle, therefore clouding judgement, or you're just rambling and have no clue.
I watched PLENTY of both Kleinschmidt (seeing as I graduated from GT, I at least knew how to spell his name) and Q, and Richardson was, BY FAR, the better talent. Not even close.
I understand you're open to opinion, but there may be at least a dozen names who can be compared to Q and, sorry Ram faithful, but Tommy wasn't one of them. He wasn't even the best to come out of Gordon (Leartha Scott).
Anyway, this one hit home and you need to let me know what you saw of Kleinschmidt, and didn't see of Richardson.
Aww, poor bighank... your "everybody is against me" complex is beginning to show in your posts. Once again, you're coming in too late in the discussions. Most of the bloggers here already recognize that Beasley is a TOP NOTCH talent. No one said he will be a bust. He'll be a very good NBA player, perhaps even a perennial all-star as you and many claim. Heck, I wouldn't even be surprised if the Bulls pull a fast one and draft Beasley over Rose instead and I wouldn't be all that upset. A little disappointed maybe, but I'm not going to get bent out of shape about it like you are with the Rose vs. Beasley comparisons. Geez bighank, easy on the Beasley support. Most of us are not saying that he'll be a terrible NBA player. The majority simply feel that Rose is the better fit with the team roster we already have... emphasis on TEAM and leadership traits!
bculz, who are you, my English teacher? Too wordy? No, Jay Mariotti is wordy. I'm just typing up the blog posts as I think, that's all. And by the way, Tom Kleinschmidt went to my old high school (Gordon Tech). I was class of '88 and I believe he was class of '90 or '91. That kid was great in high school from freshman level onto varsity and was a good College player his days at DePaul, but no way was he as good as Q. Richardson in high school and College ball (also at DePaul). Q and his Whitney Young team was already getting national pub. Even Roman can attest to that...
Guns....now I know your the one smokin'the peyote...cause...David Booth was the best pure player to ever come out of DePaul...
I saw him single handidly beat Alonzo Mourning and Dekimbe Mutumbo...when they were at Gtown.
I saw Q and I saw Klienschmiff..that was his name on the street..
Tommy...had more Hustle and determination than Q and was pound for pound, the best second chance points producer the game has ever saw. Schmiff was the Tyler Hansborough of his day.
ummm...different era....when Tommy and I played...there were more 7 footers in the Chicago H.S. hoops scene than in the NBA....
Q played against people like Jordan Kardos.....and other little players. Q dominated a HS and college scene that was void of any real players. To wit....McPherson was even better than Q in my opinion.
Alright, so I'm not even concerned about this #1 pick any longer. Hands down, Rose will be selected. Forget the speculation and Beasley comparisons, Rose will be a Bull whether bighank tells all of us how blind we are or whether some of you like it or not. Rose's agents are Arn Tellum and BJ Armstrong, both with strong ties to Reinsdorf and the Bulls organization. That pretty much sums it up already.
I'm already intrigued about some sleepers that may slip to Round 2 or maybe the Bulls can move up in the first round by trading one of our extra guards and the 2nd round pick if there's another big man prospect who might slip. I do like Soldier Boy's Nicolas Batum kid (I would HATE to see the Spurs take that late first round steal - they have a knack for drafting international players successfully), and I also like the 2 kids from Cal, Ryan Anderson and DaVon Hardin, and DeAndre Jordan, Alexis Ajinca, and the other Lopez brother. If there's a way to get these big men prospects/projects, the Bulls must be bold and think BIG and not just settle on this lucky #1 pick. Unfortunately, being as deliberate and conservative as they've proven over the last year and a half, I am expecting a yawner from the Bulls after the Rose selection. Sure hope they prove me wrong tonight.... Come on Pax, show some guts and act like a GM with his job on the line!!!
Edgar you are on point about Glen Robinson of course! Came out of college a champion! And was on his way in the league until he ran into RON-piehead-ARTEST!!! Ron slammed that lil puppy right out of the league!!
Big Hank is tripping if he doesnt think Derrick Coleman didnt have a great career. Measley WISHES he could have that career! DC was an allstar. And Tyrus Thomas can get up higher than this little joker!
Culzie, Tommy wasn't Schmidt! I don't even remember his career! Ended up doing Karate in Japan or something!! Q was the real deal coming out of Whitney Young and at Depaul: Richardson arrived at DePaul University after leading Whitney Young High School to the state AA boys Basketball title in 1998. He averaged 17.9 points per game, and 10.2 rebounds per game in his two seasons at DePaul. He became the only player in school history to have 1,000+ points, 500+ rebounds, and 100+ three-point field goals. As a freshman, he was elected both the Conference USA Player of the Year, and Freshman of the Year. Richardson declared for the NBA Draft after his sophomore year with DePaul in 2000.
Sometimes a link is worth a thousand words:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?id=3452587
Kudos to Edgar! I wish that just one-quarter of the posts in ANY blog I encounter (including non-sports!) were like that of Edgar's. I'm not even much of a basketball fan--it's a distant fourth of the "four majors" for me--and still his thoughtful, well-reasoned, and research-driven analyses captivates me. Edgar, do you follow any other sports in like manner? I'd love to see more of your posts!
If you guys think that guess guys on this current roster going to listen to a 19 year old. if yall want leadership paxson better go get a vet. I don't understand how a guy can be the #1 pick in the draft and he wasn't the #1 player on his team. Douglas roberts was the best player on that team. Yall picking with your hearts and not your IQ's. I'll take production over potential any day.
Naturally several fans are excited about “bringing Rose back home to Chicago” and having their very own Williams/Paul. Although Rose has a huge upside and will likely be a very good pro, I don’t see him on that same level. It has been said that Rose’s poor assist numbers are due to the Dribble-Drive Motion offense and Memphis’ relatively poor perimeter shooters. There is almost certainly some truth to that. However, whereas some have described Rose as a “Jason Kidd with a jump shot” I would argue Rose has nowhere near the floor vision of a Kidd (or Paul or Williams) and although his physical skills are obviously impressive, he’s not a great jump shooter either. Despite some of Rose’s limitations, the Bulls would clearly be a better team with him on the roster. Beasley’s talents are incredible. He’s a fantastic rebounder, and an unbelievably versatile scorer. The Bulls’ roster has been criticized for lacking a back to the basket scorer. Not only could Beasley fill that need but he could do that while still providing a better jumper than Rose (while still having enough quickness and ball-handling ability to likely be able to drive off most guys that would be guarding him).There are obviously question marks with Beasley, such as his potential tweener size, questionable shot selection, and possible ambivalence towards playing defense. However, Beasley’s skill set would fit in perfectly with the other young post players, Joakim Noah and Tyrus Thomas, the Bulls currently have on the roster as he can provide something different.
There you go Culz, all over again. I'm tellin' you, that 'SHROOM' is distorting your cranium.
I said, 'He (Kleinschmidt) wasn't even the best to come out of Gordon'.
Never, nowhere, not no how, did I ever say anything about who was the best pure player to come out of De Paul???
Besides, I'm beginning to see the blinders you have on and your 'ERA' seems to be the only consideration for your train of thought.
David Booth?
O.K.????????????????
bighank80 sez: "The Bulls’ roster has been criticized for lacking a back to the basket scorer. Not only could Beasley fill that need but he could do that"
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Beasley is at least 20 pounds of solid muscle away from being a "back to the basket" player in this league.
He won't be pushing around a bunch of 19 and 20 year olds in the NBA. (see: Tyson Chandler's first few years)
Speed kills, and Rose has plenty of it.
You can't teach "speed" ... a player either has it, or he doesn't. IMHO speed translates into success earlier then the ability to post up the kind of 170 to 190 pound string beans that Beasley backed into the paint during his brief stint in college.
My idea of a "personal workout" for a prospective draftee would be to put him out there with the best defensive players in the league, and see how he does. Just the mental picture of Beasley going one on one against a guy who couldn't even score like Dennis Rodman, has me rolling on the floor.
At the age of 43, Rodman would still eat him alive ... provided he could stay out of jail long enough to do so.
Hersey Carl and George Mikan were probaly the best two to come out of Depaul...
Hesey woulda averaged 50pts a game if they woulda had a 3pt line back then...they said he was deadly...and made the all depAUL TEAM....starting shooting gaurd...
what?
Hey according to Villano, the Bulls will win the title because we just drafted Carl Lewis.
If the only quality that D Rose has is that he is fast then we should have drafted Mike Conley Jr last year.
D Rose's stat line 5 assists, 3 rebounds and 7 points per game= 2009 Draft Lottery.
PJP:
If just one other guy on this team learns how to play in the paint, and under the basket, I believe Rose will have at least 8 or 9 assists per game. This is the time that Tyrus needs to step up.
PJP...the dude won 36 games last year??? Thats a flipping NCAA all time record!!!
What kind of cough medicine are you cooking up???
Good points Villano, Beasley is not ready to be a back to the basket player yet. He's no Barkley either, his game is not power, it's finesse. If Douglass-Roberts was the best player on the team, why did Memphis lose? Because Douglass-Roberts does not have the talent of Rose.
Bighank80, CD-Roberts is a good player, and a nice shooter, but he is not the athlete of Rose. In the NBA, even Hinrich will beat his, stuff he's one dimensional, a lot like Gordon IMHO, Beasley will score his. But as I comment all the time, if I put 30, and you put up 32 on me, guess what. I lose by 2. Jamal Crawford didn't get it, BG doesn't get it, Pau Gasol doesn't get it(or a championship winner ring for that matter.) a lot of our 'scorers' in the NBA don't get it. The Suns don't get it. Dallas didn't get it.
Our last 20 Champions all won championships because of D in the NBA...Detroit(Bad Boys, Bulls, Rockets(Hakeem), Bulls, Spurs, Lakers(Shaq and Kobe), Spurs, Detroit, Spurs, Miami, Spurs, BC. Beasley does not play that kind of D. Our new PG does play lock down D, and I will roll with that over a scorer anyday.
You see, bighank? I told you that everyone isn't against you in the Beasley fan club. PJP must also be a fan. It's the classic case of fans falling in love with stat lines and underestimating intangibles and potential. Guys, the Bulls are REBUILDING, period. Of course they're not going to admit it because that's a PR decision, but all the recent moves they have been doing, including the Derrick Rose selection, is geared for long term, not next season. Save the speculation on Beasley over Rose for another discussion 3 years from now and then we'll see who will get the last laugh. For me, I like team basketball so I'd rather see growth from a team collectively rather than 1 or 2 guys on a team hogging up stats and losing in 1st round playoffs every year (ahem, Carmelo Anthony and Allen Iverson), but hey, if that's what some of you like from an NBA team to entertain yourselves, more power to you...
Can Rose Defend?
Villano and bculz, you people just said that we need an inside scorer and rebounder. I find it astonishing to me that not one person has yet to respond to my question who on the Bulls commands a double team? Beasley as I said would have been our best inside scorer,rebounder and would have commanded a double team.
Also good luck in a half court game when our so called magically athletes can and not run and jump out of the building. Also D rose was not reponsible for everyone of those 36 wins which by the way what conference was Memphis in ?
Yeah, Culz, he's a pretty good defender...in fact, if he was defending the last shot, it mighta been an air ball. He uses his speed and jumping ability to distract players and alter shots, he's gonna be a nice defender.
I agree we need an inside presence, but I want one on the offensive and defensive ends.
You have to Double team Gooden!
Derrick Rose= Jay Williams
Jay Williams on Awesome Pills!!!!
Bculz, What pills are you taking. Drew Gooden demands a double team and Derrick Rose I am sure of. Why are Bulls fans getting their hopes up on a guy who averaged less then 5 assists a game and who choked in the final 5 minutes in the NCAA title game. I am happy for Rose that he is from Chicago but in no way does a guy shoots barely 70% from the Free Throw line and barely 40% from the field to me considered a Messiah.
To Bculz and the rest of the D Rose lovers. Jay Williams stats during his Freshman year at Duke 14.5 avg,6.5 assists and 4.2 rebounds.
Derrick Rose 14.9 points per game, 4.5 assists and 4.7 rebounds per game. Looks pretty even to me.
During Jay Williams first 2 years at Duke, there were not very many point guards in America that were better then him. Also he schooled AI and the rest of guards on the 2000 Olympic Team in a Pre Olympic game.
Like I said temper the D Rose excitment but to me he is a good player but not a Messiah like a Magic or even Stockton. I hope for the Bulls that he enjoys a fruitful career.
PJP...you leave out the most important stat....Jwilliams also racked up 1 motorcycle and almost DIED!!!! Before he ever saw an NBA floor.
WHAT ON EARTH IS YOUR POINT?
They had the same stats in College...great. Those stats are awesome. You couldnt get those stats on Apple IIE's Jordan vs. Bird circa 1986.
Maybe in your demented logic, Jay Wills woulda been bad accident or no accident, but from what i remember, he was lucky to even still walk after that spill.
Your no contest for me kid....you might want to just join the fan club and hand over the mic to someone else!
pvi, how do you know Derrick Rose will be good? Already he is hurt. He is on the right team for sure with all those prima donas. Hand you the mic? No way. Just temper the rush and wait until the season starts.
Everybody on this board ripped on Beasley and compared him to Robinson. PVI and the rest of you if you think the NBA is all hip hop and run and gun then go watch Air One. Like I said before all this running and gunning does not win championships and it will certainly not win the USA a Gold Medal.
I have a right to compare Rose to Jay Williams because the stats are the same. Also did I say Jay Williams was terrible? Jay Williams came to the Bulls when Tim Floyd was running the show. Enough said!
PJP, I'll say this to you like I've been saying to Bighank in the last couple of weeks: NO ONE is calling Rose the next messiah (PJP is the only blogger to even type the word "messiah") of basketball and NO ONE is ripping Beasley as a basketball player! Both guys have shared enough praises and hype about their games to make even me nauseous and I voted for Rose to be drafted by the Bulls, but no one in their right mind is even saying that Rose will be as good or better than LeBron or Kobe. Rose is simply the better fit for this particular Bulls team than Beasley, that was the consensus by the majority of fans and NBA analysts. Man, it gets annoying when some fans start generalizing and interpret in their own words that "everyone" said this or "everyone" said that. No one called Rose a "messiah"! Get over it already. And the Beasley comparison to Glenn Robinson was based solely on their respective College stats for the sake of argument, nothing else.
The better question for PJP is not if Derrick Rose will be any good or if USA Basketball will not win the gold. The better question is if Derrick Rose is a better NBA player than expected or if USA wins the Olympic gold medal, will PJP even come back on the blogs and admit he was wrong or will he come up with excuses? I know when I'm wrong about an opinion on a sports topic, I'll be glad to eat some crow and give credit to wherever its due, but I've seen lots of big talkers all over the boards who've been wrong many times and never hear from them again. For Rose, it'll take a couple of years before we settle this debate, but we'll see what happens in a couple of months if USA Basketball wins the Gold or not....
PVI and the rest of you if you think the NBA is all hip hop and run and gun then go watch Air One. (said from behind register at quickie mart).
PJP...I totally have PV1's back too...he is always right, totally spot on & never misses a beat, reminds me of someone I know....cant think of it right now, but anyways...Edgar too...lately. Hitman...i think he agrees too, but he could also be referring to his last bikeride to Ace Hardware where he had to drop a check off to turn his AC back on. Its 50/50 at this point...
but all I am saying is....you make no sense bro!!!
Culzie, Tommy wasn't Schmidt! I don't even remember his career! Ended up doing Karate in Japan or something!! Q was the real deal coming out of Whitney Young and at Depaul: Richardson arrived at DePaul University after leading Whitney Young High School to the state AA boys Basketball title in 1998. He averaged 17.9 points per game, and 10.2 rebounds per game in his two seasons at DePaul. He became the only player in school history to have 1,000+ points, 500+ rebounds, and 100+ three-point field goals. As a freshman, he was elected both the Conference USA Player of the Year, and Freshman of the Year. Richardson declared for the NBA Draft after his sophomore year with DePaul in 2000.
Posted by: Keith Lifetime Southsider | June 26, 2008 10:32 AM
KEITH w/>>>ALL THESE FACTS....I MUST BE RUBBING OFF!!!!!!
Bculz, never get personal because you do not know what I do for a living. I have been there and seen that so drop it. By the way bculz or whatever your name is,when froggie wants to jump then jump. Otherwise get lost.
By the way what neighborhood are you from? I am from the South Suburbs and I have a 3,000sq ft home so smoke on that.
PJP What did I do that was personal? i was just playig on Hitmans Punjab comment?? i have no idea what you do, im sure your a doctor or an IT guy.....dont take it so hard. We are all jokers in here, and well get used to it bro!
But when you say something, you open yourself up to criticism. I also dont know if Hitman actually rides his bike to pay his electric bills, but you dont see him crying about it!!!
and...let me know if you want to sell your house, ill hook you up with a good agent!
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I grew up in Highland Park and my backyard was the fence for Ravinia festival. I had classical music blarring while I was leading the neighborhood kids on commando gorilla style ninja raids into open garages whilst training for the Bloodsport KUM'TE' I also headed up the local chapter of the N.Shore Pool Hoppers clubs!!!
PJP, we are not all about run and gun, in your face, 360-basketball slam dunkin, watermelon eating....sorry. We are lovers of B-ball, I still play with the younguns, old timers can't hang anymore. I love fundamental basketball, the 12-18 footer, squaring up, drop step, boxing out, setting picks, all that good stuff.
But what I have learned from these youngsters is:
They can shoot, smallest to largest. They travel when dribbling, they can jump, and they use their bodies to create contact yet still finish. Primadonnas and call a lot of fouls, don't acknowledge when they foul you, and defense is an option.
There still are fundamentally sound players anyway, and those players do all the good stuff I like...but times have changed, and the high flyers, the superior athletes have learned to play b-ball, and that's good for the game.
Chuck...we are all not Watermellon eating slam dunkers, but maybe we SHOULD BE!!!!!
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