Should Rex start?

Throwing a TD pass on a second string defensive back on one of the worst teams in football does not warrant a return to a starting QB. I want the GROSS-MAN era to end!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Roman Modrowski... Why don't you just enjoy the win and the fact that there's some hope to the season. Typical douche.

Roman responds: Classy post there Jack.

The honest to goodness truth; As vanilla as our play calling is, it makes no difference who runs a three and out.

Yes i do think they should start Grossman. They never should have taken him out!Griese didnt do any better.Bears have NO run game.And defenses are playing the pass alot.Thats why Grossman didnt have anyone open,not to mention bears recievers dont come back to the ball!Listen they should have left Rex in all season and if he didnt get experiance or better,hes a free agent .THEN BEARS CAN GO AFTER DONAVAN McNABB or the kid from cleveland.

Cleary the Bears qb situation is beyond repair with the talent on hand. Yet, I do agree that Griese is a better qb than Grossman, however neither Grossman nor Griese is the answer to the qb position. At this point it would be best to allow Orton to start next week and beyond and assess his ability to be apart of this team next year even if its in a back-up capacity.

No Way!

I don't think Rex should have been taken out in the first place. Who was the last Bears QB that was allowed to learn the position? Cade??? Rex needs to learn how to not go after the deep ball every time and keep from looking at the receiver he wants to throw to the entire time.

Why ask the question when you have already answered it? I would like to see if Rex can get better. After about 100 starts, in 10 years and 4 different teams, we already know what Griese is. Rex is still kind of young and inexperienced. Griese is a smarter quarterback but when Rex is on Griese can't hold his jockstrap. Both have proven that they are turnover prone. Rex had 6 turnovers in 3 games and Griese had 12 in 5 games.

Griese or Grossman, that really isn't the problem right now. It's Cedric Benson and the Offensive Line. They both are making it difficult on the QB, whoever that's going to be. Without a descent running game and with sub-par pass protection, this offense isn't going to score a lot of points and will turn the ball over at times. There are only a couple of QBs in this league that could pull off a playoff run with this offense. Oh, and the play calling isn't all that good either. Why do we continue to throw a WR screen pass to Hester when it hasn't worked yet this year? And with the little playing time Garrett Wolfe sees, teams know that he is going to be doing some sort of run to the outside. If you are going to put him in, commit to the guy a little bit longer and call a few different running plays.

Oh, if both QBs are fumbling the snaps, could Kreutz be to blame?

you're correct Griese isn't a long term answer, he was merely supposed to be "Steve Fuller".

The problem is these aren't the Ditka mid 80's Bears.

He might be better than Rex now, that's still somewhat debateable.
We've seen enough "Bad Brian" this year to know it's not only a Rex-like disease.

They'd be best off having a real competition between Grossman and Orton.

Yes. From what I understand, the purpose of bringing in Griese was that he's an experienced veteran who, while lacking a deep ball, will not make mistakes. That strategy doesn't seem to be working and it won't work if the running game continues to struggle. Griese seems as turnover prone as Rex, but Rex has a deep threat and also has more potential. Rex averaged over 20 yards per completion -- Griese less than 10. No reason to go back to Griese at this point in the season. Let Rex finish out his contract. The real problem with the offense right now is the O-Line and the running game. The team seems to rally around Rex and the deep threat may actually open up the running game.

Does it really matter? If the guy was going to grew he would have grown already. I just can't get over the fact that he fumbled the snap right off the bat. He might as well have worn a sign that said" I'm still,Duh". Tear em' all down and start from scratch. I haven't forgotten how blase' Orton was turning out either. As his first season progressed he was getting worse as well. Maybe worse than Rex was getting. As a matter of fact throw him in there next and see how he fair with Ced being his RB. At least when Orton was winning he had Jones in there who helped him way more than Ced ever will. This team will never have a franchise QB because there are way more frogs than princes and who really wants to kiss the frog more than once. Not many guys can withstand the change in elements like we have here in this city. Of all the midwest QBs Farve was always the best because he was such a hick that not much bothered him like it would a lot of other guys. Orton is about as close to Farve in hicksville as any one of us can see. But him in there and after Rex and see what he's learned.

SUBTITLED: DOES ANYONE THINK GRIESE SHOULD STILL START?

Coming from someone who never hopped off the bandwagon (and when i say bandwagon, i mean the group of people who had enough sense to recognize, that a second year Headcasey QB with a GUN for an arm was our best LONG TERM option and what was in the OVERALL best direction for the team to head in.)

I think that they shoulda benched REX for a half and then started him the next game, but to just wholesale take him out was dumb. we probably woulda beat detroit maybe Minnesota too...at least one of them.

I hope he learned his lesson and got his fumblitis out of his system on that first snap and he has grown and matured and used his time off to regroup. I hope everyone has enough sense to BACK HIM until we have a better option.

Give it to Orton . He is the only QB they have

I do agree about not getting too excited about this win cause it was against a Raiders team that sucked. But Grossman played OK considering he hadn't played since week 3. I also say start him next week in Seattle to see if this was a fluke or if he really has learned from his mistakes. You have to wait and see.

This team is not a super bowl team anymore. Grossman is clearly the more talented of the two quarterbacks. The team rallied around him. The defense can't win the game for us right now, so managing the game is of no use. You can't afford to stack the box with Grossman behind center. The offense, if not particularly more effective, seemed to have a 'pop' in it when Grossman stepped in. The defense suddenly looked a lot better when their opponents were essentially forced to pass. This happened a lot last year, because our offense was explosive at times, combined with Hester and the defense getting turnovers at crucial moments and/or scoring. We need a ballsy offense to win games this year, plain and simple, and seeing how Griese, who did have his moments engineering comebacks that would have been unnecessary had the offense not been inept the whole game, has statistically been Grossman-like, without the arm and athleticism. Seriously, Griese throws like an old lady compared to Grossman. Grossman had one really bad pass thrown, and he threw it so hard that the defender didn't catch it.

I have actually been hoping for an injury to Griese, the Bears are fantastic when Grossman is playing well, unbeatable. Grossman is, mentally, in a perfect place for him. He doesn't have to worry about screwing up, which I think has affected him. Concentrating on not screwing up is a sure way to fail. Grossman's on the last year of his contract, and if he resurrects the Bears he is going to get paid by somebody.

This is not to say that I think Grossman is as good as Brett Favre, but look up Brett's statistics in his first few years as a starter. If Mr. Favre had been starting for a potential Super Bowl team with a dominant defense and a good running game, do you think he would have been tolerated while he was screwing up? Even when he was at his peak, he still was capable of doing something incredibly stupid, he just didn't have to most of the time because they had a great defense and running game, which allowed them to use play-action, which resulted in a lot of touchdowns. Well, Grossman is great doing play-action.

You have to worry about Berrian and Hester and basically all the pass-catchers when Grossman's in the game, because he can make all the throws.

In conclusion, we briefly looked like last year's Bear's with Grossman in the game. The energy level was up. Grossman's got swagger. That swagger was missing at the start of the season, and lest anyone forget, if it weren't for Berrian and others' fumble fingers, this season would be different, Grossman would have never been benched. Not to mention the fact that our pass protection and run blocking was terrible. The Bears don't suck because of Grossman, obviously, so let the guy with actual talent play and figure it out.

Jim Miller 2001-2002 (Last Legit QB we've had befoe Rex)
Chris Chandler 2002-2003 (AKA Chystal Chandelier)
Henry Burris 2002 (NO COMMENT)
Kordell Stewart 2003 (ReTread)
Chad Hutchinson 2004 (Totally Dude')
Jonathan Quinn 2004 (talk about falling off the face of the planet)
Craig Krenzel 2004 (Currently employed as a NucleoNanoBioPhysoTechnologist)
Kyle Orton 2005 (Too Drinky)
Rex Grossman 2006 - 2007 (Rocky Start, but first full year managed to not screw it up enough to get to Superbowl).
Brian Griese Game 4,5,6, (Just aweful)

(Heres where my predictions were just a bit off, but still....did I call it or what?.....so...now what?? Orton?....ppllllleeease lets not do this to ourselves again). Until we trade for JeMarcus Russle or Brady Quinn or Draft a STUD....QB...we should stick with REX).

Kyle Orton7,8
Rex Grossman Game 9
Brian Griese Game 10
Kyle Orton Game 11-14
Rex Grossman Game 15
Kordell Stewart Game 16 all of Playoffs and -Superbowl Champ!

Posted by: Bculz | September 26, 2007 09:43 AM

Roman...be honest...you got that little tickle of excitement when Rexy came back in....WE ALL DID.

It was obvious the team was pumped.

Now lets use that Cannon and air it out to Hester and Berrian and utilze Olsen/Gilmore/Clark/Mushy more in the middle....

and ced finnally had a good game. I know everyone wants to pick on him and hate on his blocking without saying it was a good game, but it was a good game. Not Great.
but
He got the yards we needed.

oh...by the way.....how obvious was it that Griese clearly Mentally Checked out? He was dying to go down. No question he wont be healthy enough. Hes a 4 time loser. Bring in some Youth!

Haven't we been through enough with Rex to prove that he isn't the long term or even short term answer? Oakland is bad and we barely beat them. Having Grossman lead this win might be the worst thing for the Bears because now there is doubt as to weather they should continue to start him. We need to draft a starting RB and QB period.

c/mon Ms. Justice. Suck it up and make a post. Rex is our QB and Brian is dead to us. Let's not get too excited Bculz. We all know what's coming. Maybe not today, maybe not next Sunday, but Rex will by his OWN fault, screw something up. I know the play calling was awful...did you see on 3 consecutive 1st downs, A draw for a loss of 4, a dead duck,parralell to the line of scrimmage pass to hester for a loss of 3, and a run up the middle against a run blitz for a loss of 2.......all three drives no doubt were quick punts. How do you expect anyonne on your team to
be successful with calls like that?
It seems that Turner has gone out of his way to make BG look bad
since his heroics AND 381 yd passing game. Show me a Grossman who throws for 381 yards, and I show you one who plays for the packers....next year.YUCK.
Anywhoo..............GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO BEEEEEEEEEEAARRRRSSS!!!!!!!!

Bculz.....it's one thing to have so many posts.....but geez 3 in a row? That's how you are similar to Ron Turner. Predictable, and
still in Chicago....regardless..........Roman, it's always special
when we are on at the same time. Been checking into the hot stove league.

U cannot be serious. 50% passers should be in the unemployment line. Rex STINKS.

Here's a thought...maybe its the coaching? The team is terrible, yet they have more talent than other teams. How come the best offensive series this year was when the qb couldn't communicate with the sideline. How come the Bears stop tackling in practice and now they can't stop the run? See a pattern here? Lovie wanted all the credit last year. Now he gets all the blame.

Good points, Roman, and yeah, really classy post there, Jack, for nasty name calling in lieu of a solid argument. The Grossman claque is amazing. So what case will they make for him next week after he throws three picks in Seattle?

Roman, are you really serious? Start "Wrecks"? Based on what? Two good throws out of 14 bad ones, one of which happens to be a bomb to Berrian. On that one throw, "Wrecks" should start? You must be kidding? And some of you folks who think that "Wrecks" should start because he has a "cannon" and Griese doesn't. Please spare me. First of all "Wrecks" has a good arm but it's not a cannon. Second, if a great arm is all you need to be a great quarterback, somene tell me where Ryan Leaf is playing? Anyone remember the 98' draft when Leaf was supposedly the better pick than Peyton Manning because he had a stronger arm? Bobby Douglas, who by the way was a better quarterback than 'Wrecks" could throw a ball 80 yards and run like Vince Young. Was he a great quarterback? Let's face facts. It doesn't matter who the quarterback is when you have a bad head coach like Lovie, a terrible offensive coordinator like Turner and a waste of space moron like Lovie's best pal, Babich. If you don't believe Lovie is a bad coach ask yourself why he would allow anyone to call Cedric Benson's number 29 times? Lovie doesn't coach anyone to be any better than they were when they arrived on the team, he doesn't teach anyone to be better or develop into a better player and he can't make changes to improve during the course of the season, at half-time or with player personnel decisions. Which player has improve in Lovie's so called systems? "Wrecks"? NO!!!!!!!!!! And don't give me that he is inexperienced crap. Who is more inexperienced Tony Romo or "Wrecks"? Who would you rather have starting for the Bears? Did he make Cedric Benson better? Adam Archuleta? Danieal Manning? Berrian? ANYONE on the Team? Did Lovie do anything to inspire anyone to play better or harder. NO NO NO and NO!!!!! The only way the Bears are ever a legitimate contender again is when they get a real coach!!!!!!! Steve Mariucci where are you? Bill Cowher, please come to Chicago, they'll worship you here!!!!! Anyone would be an improvement!!!!! Lastly, if you don't think Lovie is the issue and that bad coaching doesn't destroy a Team, look at Notre Dame and see how Charlie Weis has done because of his bad coaching. Notre Dame loses to Navy and Air Force which between them have maybe 5 players who could make Notre Dame's roster. It's all about the coaching in South Bend as well!!

Rex had 6 turnovers in 3 games. Peyton just had 6 in one game. Yes, Rex sucks and has horrible games. Get over it - I want him under center. Speaking of centers, what is it with Olin - passing a ball thru Griese's legs one game, then this game fumbled snaps for both Griese and Rex. No one has the cojones to criticize him but, seriously, what is going on with his snaps? Is he above criticism?

Rex is a 'Pure Passer', when he is on..no one, and I mean no one
is better than him. The problem is that he is not on consistently-and by that I mean GAMES at a time. That is the problem. There is a big difference between a Grossman ball and a Griese ball. We are just tired of his lack of progress here. No doubt he will perform much better somewhere else. That's what is killing me. He just can't be successful here. Ed...no body else wanted Bobby Douglass, just about EVERY team in the league wants Rex. I know the Packer's fans are licking their chops. AND A BIG SHOUT OUT TO MY HOME TOWN..OAKLAWN!!!! Been stuck here a while now...can't imagine how bad the traffic at 95th and Cicero is these days. It's pretty calm up here....except I hit another damn deer.

I Love Rex Grossman! You know why?! Because he doesn't throw three yard passes on 3rd and 15! There is a reason Griese has played with like 5 teams. He is a bum! Who I'm really sick of is Olin Kreutz! Every Bears Quarterback has fumbled the snap this season yet nobody blames him! He is the MOST overrated Offensive Lineman EVER!

This season is lost and should be used to determine who should be on the team next year. Clearly the offseason needs to be spent finding a starting quarterback, a running back who can challenge Benson and they need to start working on that geriatric o-line.

I don't know about you guys, but my television gets the Packers games just fine.

Roman responds: So you saw the game they lost to the Bears?

Grossman made his return in fine fashion....fumble snap,sack at least he learn to eat dirt this time....You can bet Mr. Griese miss a week,so there will be no QB dispute.
If you can`t be good be lucky.
We needed a win in the worst way and Rex came in and did what needed
to be done.
So Crown his butt.
Wed. press conference "Rex is our Quarterback"!
Welcome back Rex.

T-Rex rules ! ! I don't care who is behind center, if you don't "Protect Your QB/RB" you will be ineffective. T-Rex is a gunslinger! ! ! He isn't afraid to "Go For IT" ! ! That is an intangible you need at QB/LEADER to make it to the Super Bowl ! Wait a minute Been There Done That ! !
Lovie has started to work on the underlying problem "Offensive Line", which is OFFENSIVE & INEFFECTIVE !
Marriotti never played any sports, don't listen to him. He reminds me of a spoiled Brat who when he doesn't get his way holds his breath or lays ont he floor kicking & screaming until mommy gives in ! !

Griese mentally checked out? To me, fumbling your first snap after a 7 week hiatus is a mental breakdown. The Bears need a good sports psychologist! And how bad must Kyle Orton be in practice? His name is virtually never in the mix. I think Griese is physically checked out - you know, old guys take a long time to heal. The real controversy should be between Rex and Orton. And none of these guys is our long-term answer by a long shot. Hey, Derek Anderson in a free agent after this season......just a thought.

Roman responds: Griese fumbled a snap, too. I'm now putting fumbled snaps on Kreutz.

re: Dave Parks' summation.......ditto!!!!!

So let Lovie run to the next highest bidder (if ANYBODY still wants him and his press-conference tape loops after this season)- every owner craves a brown-nosing company man. Jerry Angelo? An ego-maniacal waste of space and gristle living off a short-term lucky streak of several decent defensive draft choices and a couple of decent trades...he can drive Lovie's limo out of town. Thanks to these two, the Super Bowl window has been bricked up another 20 years. Have a great day y'all!

A win is a win and I'm grateful for a road V. I am trying to see some progress in the running game. I don't think that the Bears will ever build a passing attack before establishing the run. Does anyone see progress here? It doesn't seem like we're getting any closer - there are very few running lanes being opened and ced isn't breaking ANY tackles. Until there is some kind of running threat established, does it really matter who is qb?

Ron Turner's play calling is just too predictable. It was when he spent time with the Bears before. He makes it easy for teams to prepare for the Bears. Dennis Green refered to that when he said we know who they are and we let them off of the hook. Cedric Benson is a joke, I rather see Peterson or Pope as the primary running back. Pope looked good in the preseason. Lovie Smith in my opinion is the worst coach ever signed by the Chicago Bears.

Yes, we have 2 wins with each quarterback. As was expected Griese is obviously not the answer....BIG SUPRISE. Rex makes some awful decisions, but give him another shot, maybe its the spark we need. It's not like we are sitting here at 8-1....Brian lost games and threw A LOT of interceptions.

Yes - Brian did throw for massive yards. Rex has thrown great games too. So what? As many are posting here, the QB position is #5 on the problem priorty list:
1) O-Line sucks
2) CBen sucks (more disappointing than winning the Tri-fecta at the Belmont Stakes and then learning you won 11 dollars)
3) Playcalling is the worst
4) Receivers not running the correct routes and too many drops
5) QB problem

This point is: Whether you start Brian or Rex makes no difference. Until these other issues are addressed, my Beloved Bears will continue to play poorly.

For the love of Sid Luckman, let this Rex-periment end. If Griese is good to go, you have to play him. Rex still has happy feet and NO pocket presence. Rex is a bad teammate, he pouts, he doesn't look at game photos like Favre, and he has no relationship with the other two QB's. If Griese falters and the Bears playoff hopes are gone (very soon), then they need to play the forgotten man in Orton to see if he MIGHT be the SAVIOR. I know this. The savior doesn't wear No. 8 on his jersey.

"One game winning pass does not a quarterback make". Keep Rex on the bench. Consistency makes a good quarterback. Griese can keep the Bears in the game much better than Rex can. He has more poise and can read the coverage better. Rex gets rattled when he gets a good rush at him, and that's when "Bad Rex" shows up. I say if Griese is healthy, you stay with him. Rex can always come in should he get injured again.

Wow, Dave Parks. Thank you for the uninformed dissertation. Unfortunately the facts are not straight. You see, many players have improved under Lovie Smith and his coaching staff. Lance Briggs came from the third round and has become a star. Peanut Tillman may be one of the best corners and causes more fumbles than any other CB in the League. Who was Hunter Hillenmeyer before Smith got here? See, you must look at the TEAM. Not just the players you love to hate on. You say you are a bears fan? You probably were not happy yesterday that we got an important win because it made you look foolish to everybody that you whine to about how bad Lovie, Rex, Cedric, Jerry, Bernard and Manning are. I am pretty sure earlier this year all of them helped you eat chips and dip into February. In fact even if they won you would have whined. I have an idea. Look into your own career. If your bosses fired people for consistent mediocrity, judging by your posts, you would be unemployed before Rex. Get a dose of perspective.

Seriously, stop with all this "Wrecks" crap. His name is "Rex." What are you in the 4th grade? Oh wait, now I sound like Mariotti too.

Yes! I was so glad Griese couldn't continue, I was thinking, the coaches are not gonna make the change, then bop! Brian showed us who he is. He's had more injuries than playoff games. Rex already knows how to get knocked out of games, don't coach him up there.

Then these posters say NO to Rex because we beat a bad Oakland team. We were about to LOSE to a bad Oakland team beforehand. The posters and their double standards are funny. Rex can have a 3 pick game and STILL not play as badly a Griese this season, who has the better record now stat people(I digress). Griese showed his arm limitations on the one pass to Berrian where he hung him to dry. Spaghetti arm man.

WRD, did you notice Griese fumbled his first snap from center, too? I wonder if it is Kreutz that is the problem. REX, do your thing, and please drop them bombs to Hester(never had a playmaker like that in CHI), Berrian, Olson(finish the route), MOOOOSSSSEEEE, and D. Clark. Let's do this.

Start Orton? Why? To see off target passes hit people in the leg, or the yard marker. As I said before, Rex may not be the best qb in the league, but he is the best on the team. Roman, what has Griese really done outside of the one drive against Philly? They both are average, why not have the one with the bigger GUN.

TWO bigger questions?

Where is Brian Urlacher(Lach would not have let McCown outrun him on any drive.)

Can someone tell our running back coach, that he needs to do his job to get paid. Benson can't even follow the hole now.

29 carries, 76 yards for an average of 2.2 per carry with the longest run of 9 yards doesn't exactly open up the passing game does it? and if the O-line can't open up a hole to allow more than 2.2 yards per/carry what makes anyone think they can give any QB enough time to pass consistantly? and when the play calling is so predictable my 6 yr old grand-nephew knows what's coming maybe it's time to hire a Playstation geek as offensive co-ordinator. at least there might be some innovative plays called instead of Ist down run up the middle for somewhere between -2 to +2 yds, second down incompleted pass, third down WR screen for -3 yds, Punt and hope the defense gives you great field position like maybe 1st and goal.

The Quartback controversity was all media driven. Grossman is a good QB, but he is the type of QB who has to take chances. Sometimes it does turn out bad but the potential is there. It's impossible to play free and easy with everyone critizing every move. How would you like someone looking over your shoulder all day, "telling you every thing you do is wrong". "You have no talent." Impossible position to be in... Just let him play.... I really believe by benching him, it cost the Bears 2 games....

Roman responds: Huh? Let him play? So fans shouldn't boo when he really stinks and the media should always write that he's doing a good job? Please. He's an NFL quarterback, being under the microscope comes with the job.

Grossman has the tools to be the MAN. This offense hasn't succeeded with the dink and doink passes of Griese. It was VERY obvious the team backs Rex, because when he came in, they were happier than school girls at recess. He is an inexperienced QB who will not shake the jitters if he aint playing!! I still believe Rex can be the long-term answer if he can just get the jitterbugs out of his head, which cause him to make bad decisions. The only way to do that is to take the bull by the horns. it certainly seems like he wants it, and so does the rest of the team. YES start REX bench Brian. It can't get any worse than it is now. If they make the playoffs, they'll just get eliminated anyway, so it's not like there's a chance at getting back to the Superbowl. But we'll have a clearer perception of the QB situation then for long-term...and that's a huge positive.

Hey Pete, you are a bad fan. Hoping Griese couldn't continue? You are not smart enough to be a real fan. You are just another brain-dead Rex apologist. Griese isn't the long term answer I know, but this season is lost. Orton derserves to show how much he has improved and is the future.

Excuse me Pete, that should have been directed to Chuck. He's brain-dead, not you!

I think we need to start a winner. We need to start Orton. He has the poise and good looks to lead this team to the promiseland.

Every team that we beat, including last year there was always a but. We beat the Seahawks when Rex played awesome, BUUUTTT they didn't have Shaun Alexander. Then we beat Arizona on Monday night but they are a bad team. Then we beat N.Y. Jets in NY but we didn't have a good game against another bad team. Even though I believe we shut them out. Then St. Louis. BUT they have a bad defense. Then Seattle in the playoffs with Shaun Alexander. But we almost lost in the end and had to go to OT. I guess you must assume that this is not the NFL. It is a league where Chicago should field a team and consistently dominate all 31 other teams every season and breeze to a NFL title. You probably think that Philly is a class organization with all of their 0 super bowl wins. Newsflash. Oakland is an NFL team. So is Seattle next week. If the Cowboys lose in the playoffs, they will be out of it as well. Not all teams are equal but in the NFL, any team can win a game. Just ask New Orleans after losing to a winless Rams team. I can hear it now. BUT....

How about enjoying victories instead of being so neurotic? Let's back our guys instead of biting their heads off for everything.

Grossman made some throws, give him some credit, let him play he played and they won. Griese can heal up in the mean time. Griese looked pedestrian against the same team. If throwing that bomb was so easy why didn't we do it all day. The defense was fantastic, let's hope they bring it against the Seahawks.

everyone looks at the Bears Qb everyone should be looking the pathetic play calling by the non offense coordinator Ron Turner.My big case in point which still makes my skin crawl ,in the Super Bowl last year after we run the opening kick then stop Indy our 1st play from scrimmage we run a running play instead of trying to demoralize Indy with a long pass .So don't look at the QBs look at the predictable Ron Turner.

I sometimes wonder if others were watching the same game I saw yesterday. After Rex threw that awesome pass, it was like things started to mesh once again. The Defense was on their game and we saw a team that was excited once again not dejected. Griese may have been a smart quarterback but he has made too many mistakes for his "supposed" skill and the number of years he's been playing. He's not the quarterback to lead this team to the playoffs and he's not the quarterback to inspire passion in the fans or the team. Rex is the answer. And no, the season isn't over. Why can't Chicago fans stand behind their team for once instead of moaning and groaning over a lost season when it's only half done? Go Bears!!!!! Go Rex!!!!! REX IS OUR QUARTERBACK!!!!!1

Like any business, high risk = high reward ... and i like the Bears playing that way instead of the low risk = low reward scenario. Go Rex! What about Brian Griese was really BETTER than Rex? Nothing.

Note: Peyton Manning had 6 interceptions yesterday, and no one is calling for him to be replaced.

Roman responds: The Manning point is moot. His body of work makes him one of the best QBs ever. To whom are you comparing him to? Rex? God I hope not.

I think that the bears have no qb. they might as well give it up this seaqson, because both of these guys have come in a made a good comeback. Like griese vs the eagles and now rex vs oakland. Fact is that neither one of these teams are that hot this seson anyway. So i think they should put in orton and see if they could use his ability for next season even if its for a backup. And in the offseason they need to go after a qb and a rb, because benson cant run the ball so the passing game could open up.

Rex will probably start next week if Griese can't go, and against a Seattle team whose strength is not the blitz, I'm O.K. with it. When we move into the schedule a little further, I guarantee the blitzes will come at an unproportional rate. With our offensive line playing as poorly as it is right now, the 'Hot Footed Rex' is not the answer. Actually, it's a pick your poison answer for us. Neither is really mobile and;

Griese- Hasn't the arm strength to give us the home run ball, which would save our butt probably every third game.

Rex- Can't weather the storm of the pocket collapsing and either gets hot feet way too early or makes a VERY POOR decision.

Brian gets my vote for the mere fact he is the lesser of the two evils, take it for what it is.

For the 1,345,729th time, I say Ron Turners' the key. Oakland played eight in the box better than 75% of the time. How often do you run into a brick wall before you figure it's easier to go over it? There's a reason why we're the only team in the league with no points on our opening drive, and shotgun formation, a post year 2000 script, and some total concentration by a well prepared PROFESSIONAL group of players and coaches is the open door.

We're committed to the run with an 'O' line that can't move furniture on wheels. We refuse to go shotgun while this same line gets pushed back faster than a doctors appointment. We're not playing to our strengths, or in this case, away from our weaknesses.

First down, ball on our own forty, and both splits do a fly while everyone else blocks. TOUCHDOWN!

Just one of hundreds of safe, situational and productive scenarios for an offensive coordinator, and Turner found four out of his total repertoire. Granted, Muhammad cost us a TD after a well called play at the five with a bonehead block in the back, but for the most part, Turner is NOT CREATIVE, SITUATIONAL, OR PRODUCTIVE enough to warrant my vote as a professional coordinator for todays' game.

I'm sorry but I don't cross a body a water with a boat that has a few leaks. I'm flyin' over it?

See you at the other side Mr. Turner, if and when you finally get there.

Amazing how many new posters Rex brings out of the woodwork...

Stuck...I havent posted in 3 days, and you jump all over my shizzle for a 3peatpost? Here..let me explain...I read the thread, then I get an idea to post, and I scroll down and post. Then I scroll back up and continue reading...and then get another idea. Its not rocket Science...would you prefer I just open a word document and type all my thoughts into ONELONGRAMBLINGPARAGRAPH?

Most telling Stat...
"Rex had 6 turnovers in 3 games and Griese had 12 in 5 games."

Look...nobody is saying Rex is Manning, but he has some game and is young and still coachable. Kruetz could seriously be the problem. He is undersized, unorthadoxed, and bull headed. Although...the last thing I want the Bears to do is spend our next 3 seasons Drafting O-linemen, like we did during the Marc Columbo Period.

This season is far from OVER, I looked ahead at the Schedule and we are capable of winning out.

LEts do this thing!!!

Roman responds: The problem wasn't drafting Columbo, it was letting him go. He's starting now for the best team in the NFC.

Was I dreaming, or did we actually run a successful Screen pass play in the end of the 2nd Quarter?

Starting Rex isn't a bad idea, think about it.
Griese make the same turnovers, cant run, and dont give you a down the field game, so why not start Rex. For every good pass Griese makes he make a bad interception, if not now when? We do not need a bandage we ne a QB. All season long everyone blaming Rex, now Griese is doing the same things and all of a sudden its the line or the recievers or the backs i'll tell you who it is, it's Ron Turner run him out of town and get a well rounded play caller then mabye we can put some points on the board.

Ok, so Kreutz needs the psychoanalysis. Mental blocks are a very real issue for many athletes. In any case, is there any team that has had more fumbled snaps in the last 2 years than the Bears? Maybe I'm wrong here, I've never played football, but snapping the football should be fundamental, basic stuff, right? And if they have a problem with it, then being the highly paid professional football players that they are, they should be able to correct it. Speaking as a former athlete, I know that how you practice is how you play. Olin Kreutz should be doing nothing in practice except snapping the football. To whom is another story.

BTW Culzie, you've been trumped by Ron Rewers. My new favorite word is "controversity."

Yes. Absolutely. Without a doubt. Start Rex Grossman. I felt extremelly happy and proud for Rex. Well done #8. Perhaps his benching will eventually be looked upon as the career changing moment for him and that he'll be a different QB, a better QB...the QB that got him drafted in the first round and was present last season until the pressure cooker got to him. The Bears need his swagger, they need his arm, they need his upside....Welcome back Rexy, this Bear fan missed ya.

LOL.

Yes, Manning had 6 interceptions yesterday, but if you actually watched the game, you saw a living legend for all intensive purposes nealry will his team to a victory despite the multiple injuries and pics.

Comparing Manning to Grossman is like comparing the 85 Bears to a pop warner league team.

Try comparing Grossman to someone he is close to, like Steve DeBerg or Doug Flutie.

Why do fans and the Marriotti's of the world still insist that Greise is a "lesser of two evils" or still the "best option" or the guy who has the most poise to "lead a charge"? Have they not seen Griese play? Have they not watched him average more than 2 turnovers a game and kill ourselves by losing both Detroit games? What has he done to garner a free pass? We are out of playoff contention (basically) because of Brian Griese. Brian Griese has never taken a team to the playoffs....Rex Grossman has played in a Super Bowl...so how on earth does this give Griese any amount of credibility to "lead a charge"? Griese had his shot, and he is what he is.....Grossman has the youth, the upside, the arm, the faith of his team and the swagger....let him ride out the season, perhaps this is a re-birth of sorts for him and we are in for something special. What do we have to lose?

Roman responds: If I hear one more person talk about some kind of Grossman "swagger" .... What swagger? The guy often looks like a deer in headlights.

Rex should be the guy. This is his last season under contract, Orton is under contract through next season, and Griese has proven that he is not the answer. Rex should start so we can see if he is worth resigning before we let him go and he becomes a star somewhere else.

RexandCed are a joke.....Yeah, start 'em both....every game...sign 'em to extensions....I haven't seen the Bears blacked out since I was a kid....but that oughta do it

Do you see the looks on the faces of Bradshaw, Howie, and JJ when Grossman and Benson are brought up...ever listen to what they say?

Hall of Famers share my opinion....

How come I never see a RexandCed homer in real life?...only hiding behind their computers?....

I know, you tried public...they laughed...you ran home

as it should be

LOL, Roman! Rex looks like a deer in headlights because of his freaky eyebrows. They have too high an arch. That was so last year. Ask any waxing professional, and she'll tell you - he should go for more of a medium arch. He should just ask for the Tom Brady look, he'll be fine. I say, get the boy some normal looking eyebrows, his play will undoubtedly improve. Gotta start somewhere. Medium arches = no fumbled snaps! I've never fumbled a snap before - see it works!

REX WARS!

Episode IV....

A Glimmer of Hope!

OUR PROBLEMS ARE MORE THAN WHO IS GETTING THE SNAPS (OR NOT GETTING). WHY DO WE STILL CONTINUE TO RUN UP THE MIDDLE WHEN THERE ARE NO HOLES CREATED TO DO SO? AND HAS ANYONE HEARD OF A REVERSE? THERE WERE A COUPLE OF TIMES THAT WOULD'VE GIVEN US SOME YARDS. OUR OFFENSE IS PREDICTABLE, LACKLUSTER, AND DESPERATELY NEED SOMEONE WHO CAN LEAD AND EXECUTE. WHO HE IS- I DON'T SERIOUSLY KNOW. I DON''T TRUST ANY OF THEM. BUT I LOVE MY BEARS AND WILL CHEER WHOEVER IT IS.

Heavens !!! One could conjecture that you struck a topic of interest, Roman. I wondered how many comments I read before I just scrolled down to the end. In any case, I have maintained all along that the Bears should have stuck with Rex. I also said that Berrian was the reason he got benched, Now ironically Berrian might be the reason he gets reinstated. One wonders at times if coaches and managers really know what they're doing. But yes, Rex should start again. He has the arm and potential to be a long-term answer if he just controlled the "stupid decision" aspect. In the unlikely event that he gets over that hump the rest of this season, one could look at next year with a degree of optimism.

One year ago we were talking MVP Rex. Then the guy leads us to a SuperBowl. Local media slags him so much, National media picks up on it. Fans pick up on it. Rex picks up on it. Maybe Rex isn't great with the media and lets the "stories" mess with his confidence too much. But the guy did lead us to the promised land. I'm surprised Rex even wanted to play anymore in this Bandwagon-Jumping City.

It's okay Bears fans....we'll run him out of the city and he'll come back and torch us

Roman responds: Maybe the fans saw all the turnovers and lack of production early this season. Ya think?

If there is any way to trade Cedric Ben (so slow) son,The Bears need to do it. He is definitely not the entertainer!!

My grandmother could run better than him. It is embarrasing, to say the least.

Angelo needs to rethink his choice of running backs.

Rex did not lead the Bears into the Superbowl last year. They got there in spite of him so what makes anyone thnk that he can magically save the season. The playoffs are out of reach and he is not the future so why waste time with him? Play Orton and evaluate him for next year.
Another stupid mistake that is only going to affect next season.
Wrecks is not inexperienced or young or any of that crap that all his followers want us to believe HE IS THE QB THAT EVERY DEFENSIVE COORDINATOR WANTS TO GO AGAINST: SLOW, CANT ELUDE RUSH, SHORT, SOFT, SMALL HANDS, INCONSISTENT AND HAS ONLY ONE WEAPON AT HIS DISPOSAL-THE LONG BALL. DROP THE SAFETIES IN DEEP COVERAGE AND BLITZ UP THE MIDDLE-HAVENT THEY LEARNED ANYTHING? ARE THEY THAT STUPID? THEYRE KILLING ME!!!

I agree that some of the dropped snap blame has to fall on Kreutz.

That was a great pass to Berrian. No denying that. However, Greise has similar long passes in the 4th quarter. The Devon Hester bomb was equally impressive.

Greise is old and injured. Grossman will be back on the field in Seattle. If he can dig deep and find some of his early season charm from last season, and the defense can continue to force fumbles the Bears aren't dead yet.

Detroit lost yesterday to Arizona. They are extremly inconsistent looking like Super Bowl contenders one week, then the Lions of old in others. 6-3 now. Prediction - they finish 9-7. The Pack are out of reach as all they need to secure the division is a 3-4 finish to go 11-5.

I think the magic number for the NFC Wild Card will be 10-6. So that means a 6-1 record down the stretch. Tough but not impossible against a fairly eash schedule. The only plus 500 teams are the Pack (who we already beat) and the Giants. Definetly beatable at Soldier Field.

But gotta take it one game at a time - 2 more losses and its over

Sorry Jon, I didn't see that I wrote a dissertation (LOL!) or mis-stated any facts, just asked a question that should bother non-knee jerk Grossman defenders at this point. (Chip and dip?! No, I don't partake of that either. Sweeping imputations galore, here!) Again, what will be the argument for Grossman when Bad Rex inevitably returns? I know that Griese is not the long-term answer and has his bad side too. It would also be nice for Grossman defenders to please stop with the crap about us being "bad fans" who mention uncongenial facts about their idol. Talk about red herrings...

I went back and read the rest of the comments.Actually I think Manning threw seven interceptions, not six, the last to end the game.Madden commented about snaps from centers to quarterbacks and said even Pop Warner teams can do it, and to blow it is simply inexcusable. So how can professionals manage to screw up so many of them? I've seen Manning, Favre, and everyone except maybe Montana fumble snaps at one time or another, but like Madden, I don't think it's excusable. Missed snap counts, hands in wrong position, pulling back without a good grip on the ball, etc. should simply not happen on the pro level. It almost never happens on the amateur level.

I think Rex should start. In training camp he was practicing with Olsen at tight end and Hester at wide receiver. Now for some reason the plays for them are not being called. Also Benson is terrible. No speed, no vision, suspect pass blocking. So how is Rex going to succeed if they are not doing in the game what they did at Summer Practice. They looked like a offensive juggernaut in practice and thats because they played Olsen and Hester in more situations. Now without them how was he supposed to make plays. Olsen got hurt and never got a chance with Rex and Hester is not getting good play calls. Memo to Bears start Hester at running back. He has vision, speed, and he may surprise and actually knows how to pass block.

I can't believe people actually want REX GROSSMAN. It would be hilarious were it not so tragic.

I don't like many of the other options, but if I have to choose between someone who stays cool under pressure and some wild gunslinger who can only cannon the ball down the field, I'll take the cool head, thanks. I can't wait for Rex to be gone and take all his whiner fans with him.

Wow if any of you guys here would ever compare Rex to Peyton Manning you obviously don't know football. Rex may have done a comeback but it was against the RAIDERS! At least when Griese did his comeback it wasn't against a JV team. Honestly a qb should never lose a job because of injury and all of you who are clamoring for Rex to start, will be the ones complaining when he throws for picks in a game. I wonder where the Manning comparisons will be then?

I dont understand the continuous hatred for Rex. He came in and did significantly more than expected off the bench yesterday. Brian Girese is a bum. If he is so good why has he been with seemingly ten teams. You and Marriotti defend him as though he has accomplished something in his carrer. The po-bowl year he had was almost given to him. Terrel Davis, Shannon Sharpe, Rod Smith Ed Maccafrey and that Denver line, Rex could have gone to a pro-bowl with that team too i could argue. Griese has never even set himself up to compete for a confrence championship. Rex has won one already. Everyone is so gun-ho on shipping Rex out of town they dont even realize he is the best QB we have seen in Chicago in ages and probably will be the best we see for some time. He finnaly got a entire year to play and took us to the Super Bowl. Rex was benched this year for poor performance and i had no problem with that, he was playing horribly. But that was the first time Rex has had the oppourtunity to be benched in his short carrer. I think it was good him and now he has a better hold on things. If he continues to play we will get that wild card. Give him another shot before he goes else where and becomes the next Favre.

The problem is Rex celebrates a touchdown pass or whenever he runs out of the pocket for a first down like a kid celebrating his first Christmas. He burned a second-rate DB on a third-rate team for a TD. So could have Johnny Unitas, and he's been dead for five years.

Brandon, bculz, and other assorted ...:

Griese took the esteemed and venerable franchise known as the Denver Broncos to the playoffs in 2000 and was a ProBowler that year.

Stand 20 yards away from Brian Griese and have him throw some footballs at you, Bculz. Your forehead would look like a map of the constellations. Maybe you could try blocking the ball from hitting you in the face or just getting the hell out of there. One more thing, glue sniffing is bad for you.

Bottom line so that we can proceed to a new topic:

Rex Grossman isn't a hair on Brian Griese's ass.

Grossman should start. Greise is not any better. Greise also has turnovers. Grossman has turnovers but has a bigger arm.

Despite his erratic games, I think Rex has more potential and should start, especially since most everyone agrees that Griese isn't the long term solution anyway. The games are more exciting with Rex, but risky at the same time. However, I think the biggest reason to start Rex is that the team seems to have more confidence with him and how they react to his success. Just look at Kreutz's comments - not heard anything like this about Griese.

'We all know what Rex is and when he gets hot, he can get going. He can light it up. He's got a hell of an arm, and if he gets momentum, he's a scary quarterback.'

I think we should start Rex and if it's a "bad Rex" day, bring in Griese in relief.

Rex should start NOW since Griese is hurt. Only because he is in a contract year. This move officially signifies a white-flag - indicating complete surrender and officially communicating that the season is over. Culzie - um sorry to announce that, but its true. I am going on record stating the Bears will not win another game this year - with Rex at QB. That is how bad he is and what happened when Brian Griese went out of the game.

I am proud of Lovie for giving the vets a chance to go to the playoffs by starting Griese. We gave it a shot and it didnt work out. The season is over - nothing left to do but evaluate. Bears are in the rebuilding phase whether they like it or not. We need to get a good look at Grossman and get ready for next year. Angelo has a LOT of work in the draft and offseason. Bears have no business keeping Griese or Rex - or Orton if they think he does not have starter potential. We need QBs, RBs and Offensive linemen. That is the only reason I endorse bringing Benson back for next year but he must be demoted to equal ground with any back we bring in. I predict Lovie and Ron will be dismissed after next season. I hope not, but Lovie is set up like Ty Willingham and he is going to get the axe. Ron is just too conservative. He will probably get fired half way through next year's miserable season.

I was at the game yesterday! Here's my thought Griese couldn't do anything all day against the same secondary that grossman lite up. Look past the Berrian bomb and you still see the 32 yard pass to moose. Most importantly I see Grossman take several sacks without creating a turnover. Including a throw away that was a major step forward for Grossman. I don't think anyone on this roster is a long term answer. Orton? sure he won 10 games as a rookie but personally I think we should give the defense those victories or at least thomas jones.

Sign Grossman to a 1 year extension give him a chance to improve this season and man the ship next season while we groom a young player into our system. Aaron rodgers from GB could be a possibility, Derek Anderson (I don't care what the cost sign that guy if possible), but definitely NOT McNabb! We need to groom a long-term option and we can't afford to put a young draft pick in the game next year. That's what signing Grossman can help prevent. Worst case scenario we improve Grossman's value and try to get a sign and trade out of it and create some value in return for the bears longer term. As has been pointed out we have plenty of other holes to focus on!

Christmas wish... Please don't sign WRECKS HEXMAN to a new contract.

If it will shut up Bculz and all of the other "gross-lings" who are honking about the Rex-ster, then I say start Grossman.

If he can "lead" us to a couple more wins. Well, hurrah, I guess.

Hell, let's tear up his contract right now and extend him.

In fact, let's extend the contracts of Turner, Lovie, Angelo and everyone else in the Bears inner circle. We should re-sign all of the offensive lineman and extend their contracts. While we're at it, let's extend Archuleta's contract.

I mean why not. Everyone else in the NFL coddles their underperformers.

Oh, uhh, everyone except the Patriots, the Colts, the Steelers, the Cowboys. But heck, we don't want to be like THOSE teams.

While we play musical chairs with mediocre quarterbacks and crow about beating a pathetically awful 2-6 team, the good teams find ways to overcome huge deficits (e.g., Steelers comeback against Browns) and just get better.

The gap widens. When will we notice?

Dr. Mary Pat, your diagnosis of Griese is inaccurate. Having an accurate arm means nothing if you can't get it there in a hurry. Have you ever seen Griese through a deep out? Probably not....because he has a weak arm and can't get the ball there quick enough! Griese is a has been! On a different note - Rex is obviously the favorite of his teammates. That counts a lot in a team sport.

Ah, another quarterback controversy in Chicago. My take on the situation: never should have benched Grossman. When Grossman has the time to throw---and has a running back such as Thomas Jones in the backfield (as in someone who could recognize and pick up a blitz), he is an excellent quarterback. If Berrian wouldn't have dropped a pass against the Cowboys---right in his hands---Rex might still be the starter. Same as the other receivers---instead of complaining, run the entire route and catch the ball!
It's good Rex is back. Hope he stays!

I guess Grossman should start, but it doesn't matter because this team is going nowhere. Yesterday's game was a battle between two of the worst teams in the league. I am actually more pessimistic about the Bears after their win yesterday.

For all the talk about those fumbled snaps, I couldn't help but think about the fact they happened on each of the respective Q.B.s first tries of the game. I think a particular Pro-Bowl center was either too jacked-up at the start of play for each guy (much like a quarterback overthrowing receivers at the start of games because the adrenaline has peaked) or he's just loosing something so basic it's taking a fumble to wake his butt up. Either way, it looks very much like the culprit may be a certain #57. Happens when you're having trouble blocking people nowadays.

So because Griese made the pro bowl 7 years ago, this makes him a better QB?

Griese blew both Detroit games, and did nothign for 3+ quarters against Minnesota.

Those are must win games.

Why not play Rex. Hes done more at QB for the franchise than anyone since McMahon. So he has bad games. Accept it.

Yea Manning had a 6Int game and almost brought his team back.

Grossman had 4 vs Arizona, and Minnesota last year. And we won.

Rex had a bad game vs Miami that cost us the game. He had a bad game vs the Cowboys(which was a route after half our Defense went down with Injuries anyway).

Its not comparing Rex to manning, its showing that Yes, QB's have bad games. And the Good QB's dont always overcome their 6Ints. But rex's 'BAD GAMES' haven't cost us as much as the Media plays it up.
If Rex weekly threw 5 Picks and we lost each game, then yes, hes bad. But since that hasn't happened....

When Grossman came in the game everyone at 710 (a rowdy Bears bar in SD) started hootin' and hollerin'. Everyone was excited to have Rex back out there, including myself. Then he fumbled the first snap, and everyone started laughing. Then again, Greise fumbled the first snap of the game. Bottom line for me is that Rex should not have been pulled before having the opportunity to play a divisional game in the first place. He lost to SD on the road in a tough game in which his team made many mistakes, and to the Cowboys on the road who are looking like the class of the NFC. The media (Mariotti kill yourself) forced the hand of Angelo and Smith who should have never buckled under the external pressure. Rex looked good not fumbling when sacked, and winning the game on the ole deep ball to Berrian. Keep Rex in there. Although, I was excited about taking the money we have set aside for Rex and giving it to Lance. If Rex gets us to the playoffs, then things get really confusing.

I'e watched the Bears since 1933 and I learned that no one player will make a team a winner unless he is the final piece to t a well stocked puzzle.They never won with Butkus,Sayers,two of the greatest,but no winners.Why are we crucifying our quarterbacks when the line can't block for 4 seconds or open holes for our running backs who can't be as bad as their statistics,or receivers who can't get open catch a ball if it does not stick to them.I sit in a lounge chair in Texas watching the Bears by sattlelite, it is third down and eight in comes Adrian Petersen,I turn to my son and say here comes a pass to Petersen and bring in the punter.If I can call it do the coaches think the defenses can't.Need I say more.

Hey Bear fans we should be thinking about the future not only the present situation. Right now we do have a chance (slim chance) to make the playoffs, but if we stick with Griese then what do we do with Grossman? Do we start drafting a new QB or have Grossman as a backup for Griese. I think we should take a risk and go with Grossman for the rest of the season so we know what to do for the next year. If he's terrible then back to the draft we go. If there are some good Rex bad Rex moments that we think we can work with lets sign him. I think that the Bears gave up on him to early and listened to the stupid Mariotti's of the world. It's gonna take some time for Rex the guy missed alot of time due to injury. Sticking with Griese leads us only to one road, drafting a QB again when we should be thinking about drafting another RB. At least with Grossman there is a chance for the future.

Which reminds me that we should have not let go of Thomas Jones without Benson proving himself first. I think he's a bust, oh and Turner shouldn't have a job (Terrible).

Let Grossman play. Dump Turner. It's the same old story: He comes in with his high powered offense and with everything working right, his offense works. Then, the league figures him out and stops him cold. He can't adjust when things change.

Turner couldn't handle Harbaugh. Granted, Harbaugh couldn't throw a timing pass or hit anybody in stride, but with Marchibroda he took the Colts to the Conference Final. (The only time I saw Harbaugh throw a bomb for a touchdown was when the two defenders were so intent on killing the receiver when the ball finally arrived, that they ran into each other and knocked each other out of the play.)

Clint Clack:

"The media forced the hand of Angelo and Smith who should have never buckled under the external pressure."

They had to give the fans what they "wanted" so that when Griese failed the fans would know enough to shut their mouths and accept
Grossman as their QB.

Was it just me, or did this entire Bears team come alive as soon as Rex got into the lineup? When Griese got injured early in the game and Rex was brought in, I remember seeing the Raiders team getting all fired up. I was thinking, "what is this Oakland team getting all excited about"? It was like a frat boy laughing maniacly after knocking over someone's mail box with a baseball bat; a juvenile affair. They put down one bad QB and brought out the team leader.

As soon as Grossman tossed his first long one to Berrian I was cheering before the ball left his hands. Just by looking at his posture and the trajectory of the ball, you could tell that it was going to be completed. I saw Grossman make two touchdowns, with zero turnovers and zero interceptions.

What can I say about Hester? He sholdn't have been allowed to return kicks after that first quarter. He should not feel as if it's his responsibility to score all of our points on offense, the QB is supposed to do that. I hope Lovie doesn't make that mistake again.

Some cold, cold, hard facts:

1) Look at Rex's multiple-interception games last year. Anyone that thinks Grossman won the Arizona game last year obviously has been living under a rock and hasn't heard of a little guy named Devin Hester (although I truly think Brian Urlacher won it with his two billion tackles and that forced fumble).

2) Rex has flashes of greatness, a general state of medicrity, and consistent demonstrations of complete ineptitude.

3) Griese deserves to start for the Bears more than Rex. He's not as flashy as Rex, he's just as injury-prone and interception-prone, but he reads defenses better, has better poise in the pocket, and is less-likely to completely disappear on you in crunch time.

The bears did not make it to the superbowl prior to last year with any current player.

I don't think you can say they went there 'in spite of Grossman', since without him they hadn't been in over 20 years

Rex didn't have Hester and Olson during his first three games, Griese did! The Bears opponents as of this post have the highest winning percentage combined of any NFL opponent schedule to date. What is Griese's playoff record compared to Rex's?

When the IDIOTS that pile more on Rex than any other QB in the league (as confirmed by those same 'talking heads')do not use the same criteria to opine other QB's, it just shows what many of the smarter posters already know; Marriotti is an IDIOT, Rosenpuke still wets the bed, and Morrisey still hates his mom! As for the rest of the national media, start comparing apples to apples. Compare how Rex has done as the starter to others at their same point in their careers as Rex is NOW, not at where they are as established starters!

Fair enough? IF you do, you'll see that Rex does have tremendous potential to be the Bears long term QB!

Go Rex, stick it to all of the moronic media and SHOVE IT BACK IN THEIR FACES when they try to interview you, hopefully live on national TV!!!!

REX has RETURNED! I predict Chargers Vs Bears in the Superbowl. Here is why: CHARGERS beat INDY last night their winning streak begins and will now carry them through the playoffs and they will surprise everybody when they beat the Patriots in the AFC title game. The Bears already beat Green Bay and The Packers are not going to sweep the rest of their games. REX is back and The Bears once again have the fire they had going into the Superbowl last year. Rex had plenty of time on the bench and now he is ready to use the familiar phrase "F'it I'm goin' deep!" The Bears are ready to win it all this year. No doubt next weeks game is a big one. Rex is going to light it up and the coaches are going to be scratching their heads wonder why they didn't let Rex start against Detroit!

And what is all this crap about people not being Bears fans? "You Griese/Grossman supporters aren't real Bears fans because your stupid." Please. Regardless of who is at QB, this team would be better if we had some semblance of a running game. At least the receivers are starting to hold onto the ball (well except Clark who dropped that Grossman pass in the second half). Turner insists on running half the time with a back that is averaging under 3 yards. Well if the QB completes half of his passes for 10 yards and Benson runs on first down for minimal gain, then it's going to be a punting situation half the time. Run, Incomplete Pass, Run, Punt. We're the only team in the NFL that hasn't had a gain of more than 16 yards on the ground. That can't happen. If Adrian Peterson can't run, then use him like Brian Westbrook. Make him a receiver out of the backfield. It may not work, but why not try it. Benson isn't working now.

I love this blog!!!! I am, and have been a Rex fan. He is certainly better than half the starting QBs right now, with a better upside, if only Mariotti would just go down with a shoulder injury!!! I think the problem all along has been the play calling, Lovie, do it yourself or someone other than Turner! Benson is a bust, and if Jones was still around, who would be starting? Don't throw any more outs and definitely read the riot act to the receivers, they have been a problem. Rex, if Turner call an out, throw it away or to the back or to the tight end over the middle, it's the receivers..... If we want to be real, can Griese take us far in the playoofs? The answer is NO. So start Rex and hope for the best. Lovie, this is Rex's year, PERIOD, so let him show us what he's got and get done with it. I can live with the results and so can most of the Bears fans. I can't wait to hear what Mariotti says on TV today....

Rex is my guy! I have always liked Grossman and I will continue to stand by him.

Excuse me Pete, that should have been directed to Chuck. He's brain-dead, not you!

Posted by: So. IL Bruno | November 12, 2007 09:21 AM

You moron, I didn't say he should be hurt, I said he should not be able to go. A coach can bench you and you are not hurt. I don't want anyone to get hurt out there, but...., forget it, you are too stupid to figure that out.

Roman responds: Maybe the fans saw all the turnovers and lack of production early this season. Ya think?

Posted by: Brandon Kassnapski | November 12, 2007 11:29 AM

We also saw Griese's production and his turnovers, too these past 5 games, a whole lotta turnovers for a man who is supposed to be an accurate passer. If we are gonna get the bad, at least let us get the good too.

Bculz, right on the money.

My favorite idea today is the posters who say on one hand, Rex is a bad teammate. Then, when he tries to cheer his team up after someone is injured, and keep their spirits up, he is a glory hog and selfish. Boy can't win for losing.

Big dan, is 12 picks in 5 games your idea of staying cool?

Dr. Mary, Griese couldn't burn the same 2nd rate DB on....

One last thing, someone said compare Rex to Steve Deberg and Doug Flutie. Who do you compare Griese too? That's right, any NFL QB in the last 10 years that has never played in a playoff game!!!!

Darryl M, about your "cold hard facts"

1. Grossman's performance in Arizona is played out. Everyone can cite Grossman's meltdowns and highlights. And in a handful of games, can already do the same with Griese. Saying Grossman didn't win that game doesn't say much on whether he should start against Seattle or not. And this isn't really a fact, it was more of an aside.

2. That's not a fact, that's an opinion.

3. That's not a fact, that's an opinion.

Let Grossman start. Have patience. Take a deep breath. You're right, he's not Peyton Manning. And he won't be. But you can't give a kid just over one full season and say "He's done." He's done well, he's done bad. And he's got more of a future than Griese--whether it's on the Bears or following Brett Favre in Green Bay.

And that's my opinion.

My sources tell me that the Bears might bring Henry Burris back into the fold in the offseason.

Chuck, Wrecks called. He needs you Pete, Bill Lockwood, Jaws and Jim Miller do talk him up as much as possible to win over this clueless coaching staff. Please call your boy Wrecks at 1-900-LIL-HANDS

Roman responds: Maybe the fans saw all the turnovers and lack of production early this season. Ya think?

Yeah I think. But I won't blame the Bears poor start on one guy. Just like I won't blame the Bulls poor start on one guy. They all looked terrible at the start of the season. Berrian had TWO huge drops against the Cowboys that could have changed the outcome of that game and we all know the Bears run game sucks.

Why does Berrian get a pass this year?

I know....because the media is infatuated with the "Good Rex, Bad Rex" storyline. It sells. It's funny. Haha.

The guy took us to a Super Bowl. In spite of him? Yeah okay...whatever

How many QBs have done that for the Bear?

"The media forced the hand of Angelo and Smith who should have never buckled under the external pressure."

They had to give the fans what they "wanted" so that when Griese failed the fans would know enough to shut their mouths and accept
Grossman as their QB. "

This is a great post! Although they didn't give the fans what they wanted. They gave the media what they wanted. I've felt this way from the day they dumped Griese in our laps.

It's not Grossman folks. The team was sloppy from the very beginning. A little too cocky comin ginto this year? Yup. And the media loves to fault Grossman

Roman responds: You guys really think the media dictate what teams do? Amazing.

My sister went to Controversity and got her Minor in Drama!

The bears QB situation is like a multiple choice test. The first answer we tried was A(Rex Grossman); wrong answer. Second try was B(Brian Griese), probably not the right answer. Explain to me why i should Option A again, dont we already know that's the wrong answer. Start Brien Griese, if thats not the short term answer try option C(Kyle Orton). Two decent throws in a 2 qtrs of football, hasnt changed the question or the answer to our QB problems.

Are you guys retarded? i don't understand what is wrong with you morons! One win against possibly the worst team in the NFL and that idiot Wrecks is back? What a bunch of (bleep)!
The season is over, anybody with any football sense knows this so why waste a pefect situation to evaluate a QB like Orton by playing that waste of space!
You MIKE in particular...you must be the biggest dumbass in here...wrecks has not done enough to damage the Bears? Since the Arizona game last year when Green showed the NFL what a preender Wrecks was, he has continually played worse!
Don't give me crap about being young or inexperienced...other QBs have gotten better and this waste gets worse. Dumb(bleep)s!
Roman responds: Thank you for the self-censoring.

Brandon Koposkippi:

"They gave the media what they wanted."

Are you kidding? The fans were screaming for Griese to replace Grossman and for Lovie to be a "good boy" and accept his chicken scratch pay. Why was I seeing so many empty seats in the stadium at the end of the third quarter? Those seat's weren't reserved for the media. You can't wiggle out of this one; admit it, Chicago fans tried to play coach and ended up embarassing themselves.

The only long term answer we have a QB on the roster is Orton. Orton was 10-5 in his starts as a rookie and has shown some progress in his play to warrant consideration for the spot. He was horrible when he started at that point but this is his 3rd year in the offense and at this point his accuracy and knowledge of the offense should be at a point where he could be at least mediocre if put into the game. He is the only unknown on our roster at QB, Rex still can't cut it and Griese is who we thought he was. He has the strongest arm of all our QB's and hopefully his accuracy has improved to where he can now show that off while running the entire offense...all 10-12 plays of it until late in the 4th quarter when we finally start attacking the defense.

Rex is not a long term solution for this team. He is in the last year of his deal and giving him a ton more money to continue to be a huge questionmark isn't in this teams best interest since that money could be better spent on filling the rest of the team. Rex needs to learn to go through his progressions instead of what he does now which is either stare down his primary target or run backwards until he gets sacked. Since he displays no mobility at all we will need to move the pocket more with him in the game so that teams can't just run to a point to get the sack. Rex's completion percentage would get far better if he could read a defense and would go to his 2nd and 3rd progressions. It would be nice if he would take advantage of his mismatches by knowing what the guys around him can do such as not throwing jump balls to Davis but instead throwing them to bigger guys like Moose or Olsen who actually have a chance at winning them.

Griese isn't going to win us games and is probably going to be the most steady of all of them. Realistically we are not in the playoff hunt so putting in our only long term option would probably be the best option at this point. Since Turner continues to be terrible and lack imagination in his playcalls no QB is going to turn this offense into a good unit. It would be nice to consistently see guys running to the 1st down marker on 3rd down instead of running a draw or 2 yard pass on 3rd and 8. It would be nice to see Ron show some aggression attacking the defense early in games instead of being so predicable with his playcalling for most of the game.

Darryl M

I don't agree with your "facts" man. Its been well Documented on how poorly Rex has play. People have beaten that dead horse to death! Whats funny to me is that its less documented when he plays well. When he does play well, the one bad play he makes always seems to make it to print.It seems we've all forgotten that Rex play like an all-pro in 7 games last year. He had about 6 average games, and 5 really bad games. So in 11 games, he play better than any Bears Qb in about 11 years. After Rex was benched this year, I really thought it was the right move at the time. I thought the team needed a spark. And Griese did play well in about 3 games. But then I realize Brian was making the same mistakes Rex was making. Even more so! Yet, no one was bashing him, there were no websites devoted to killing his name, Mariotti definately wasn't screaming for him to get benched, and fans weren't booing him. So here is Griese having multiple ints in several games, fumbling snaps, and looking confused just like Rex, and no one was saying anything! He seemed (at first) to have more leadership qualities than Rex, but as William alluded to a few weeks back, that may've wore thin with the other players.

I think Rex needs to start. I really believe something special might happen the rest of this year. I know it was against the Raiders, but I swear I haven't seen Brian Urlacher smile all year until rex threw that Touchdown. What Im trying to say is that this team Rally around Rex. They seem to have a cause with him behind center. In the 2nd half the Oline was actually running to the line of scrimmage after the break. They had a little swagger, a bit of spunk. Even the Defense was playing with a spark. Something I haven't seen since last year. Did you see the reaction on the Bench? The team was going crazy about that TD. Maybe, just maybe that wakes them up. Rex needs to start.

let me be the one to bring at least some nuance into the discussion.
Griese isn't a "bum", he is what we thought he was (can't help myself), a backup. and Rex isn't "wrecks".

the simple and honest truth is they bring different things to the table and depends on what you want in your QB and how the team around him is at the moment.

I still think Rex brings the most complete set of "tools" to the position that we've had in this town since McMahon. The only physical tool that scouts always drool over he doesn't have is that he's a bit short.

but he has the gun and the quick release that's what a QB is supposed to have, isn't it? a gun? a quick release? (though clearly pop gunned QB's like Drew Brees have shown they can be very successful)

Griese has never had one, will never have one, and is "Steve Fuller". If the rest of the team isn't top notch playoff caliber, then it's useless to have a Steve Fuller in there. For what? to win an extra game or two? why? I'd prefer a higher draft pick (so they can draft another bust like Benson hahah)

I will never compare Rex to Favre or Bradshaw, and others, but the fact is many prominent QB's have struggled their first years in the league. Grossman was almost unfairly thrust into the position where he had a SuperBowl quality team around him and he was the "weak link".

clearly, he no longer has a Super Bowl quality team around him.

Let him show you/us what he's got. If he doesn't have it, then on to the next contestant.

Griese was brought in for "now". "Now" isn't here, sorry Bears fans. That was last year and unfortunately, last year Griese wouldn't have beaten the Colts either.

Roman responds: Good nuance Bogey. Every time I hear that word I think of a scene in "Diner" when one of the guys says nuance is his favorite word.

Bogey sez: "They'd be best off having a real competition between Grossman and Orton."
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That's what should have been done from the very first mini-camp this spring, all the way through to the first game of the regular season.

Grossman was a question mark from the beginning, and we'll never know what either Greise or Orton would have looked like at this juncture had been given a fair shot with an open competition for the job.

As it stands, Greise was pressed into service on relatively short notice, and Orton would be unlikely to fare better considering the miniscule amount of practice reps he gets with the first team.

Lovie made his bed with his defacto anointment of Grossman, to the detriment of the entire team.

Swagger, Roman, is a decsription of his attitude when he has the ball. He is willing to take chances (a lot of them) regardless of the situation. It doesn't mean the rythm he walks to. He doesn't have a deer in the headlights look. This is a smart kid who knows what he's doing. Sure, he gets happy feet, usually when the pressure is on, but for the most part, he looks in control. Somehow, you seem to equate making a mistake with being lost. Rex's mistakes usually are mechanical or technique issues...not knowledge of the game issues. The Bears only made the switch because they needed a spark and thought this was a special season. Now, they realize the team as a whole has issues and that Rex is the better option.

Roman responds: I understand why they made the switch, and I agree with it.
Maybe I've been a bit too hard on him, but don't tell me how he never makes a mental mistake. Remember the back-to-back timeouts in the playoffs last season?
And as far as the "description of his attitude," as another poster pointed out, remember the Colts def. coordinator telling his players to stay alive on Rex because he's scared to death? That's deer in headlights.

Hey Roman, did you know that through the first 24 games of his career (which would be all regular season games through the end of last season), Grossman had thrown more TDs and less INTs than Troy Aikman and John Elway through the same point in their carreer? And less INTs than Peyton Manning as well? Did I mention he also has two playoff wins and a Super Bowl appearance, which can't be said for the others at the same point in their career? Heck, Peyton Manning was one and done in his first three playoff games. I'm sorry but anyone who tries to pass final judgment on Rex after one full season as starter, after going to the Super Bowl, and while playing behind a terrible O-Line without a running game is a moron. This kid has shown some tremendous skills and is working to become consistent. Can you imagine if the Colts pulled Manning after a season and a half (he was very inconsistent too, lots of INTs)? All the clowns like Mariotti who find it necessary to call him a bust and take personal shots at him have no business writing for a major newspaper.

Roman -- why do you open these blogs up when you obviously are anti Rex -- your entire opening line on this and all but one or 2 of your responses are laden with potshots at Rex. Get some class and stop emulating that balloonhead colleague of yours. Or go back to covering the IUPUI Cal City raquetball league.

Roman responds: I love it when somebody who calls himself Lucifer and takes cheap shots talks about having class.
Besides, the Cal City racquetball league is a fun league to cover.
And I'm just not excited about either QB choice, so it shows in what I wrote. What's the problem?

The coaches don't listen to the media about how to do their jobs but that's not to say they are oblivious to the media as well. I really felt like most in the media (except David Haugh) were really crucifying Rex on a regular basis, to the point where it became personal for people like Jay M. Just like Jay M. tries to "act as the voice of the fans" with Urlacher, he tried to represent as though his feeling reflected the opinion of the fans. The media launched an assault on Rex and created the perception that the city of Chicago wanted him out, whem truth be told, most Bear fans I met wanted Rex. The minority wanted Griese and were very boisterous. The media has always felt they knew more than the coaches, and that would explain why Griese is getting a pass for his poor play. Because if the media roasted Griese, they would be ackowledging they were wrong in calling for Griese, which would essentially water down any future opinions. I love it.

Roman I agree with you. "Wrecks" doesn't have a swagger he just walks in an odd manner because of his size 3 feet(They match his hands!) What swagger???? Is that what causes him to sack himself like he did in the Superbowl? He's such a "Gunslinger" and risk taker that during the Superbowl the Colts Defensive Coaches were telling their players on the sideline:" Stay alive on this guy, he's scared to death out there!". Maybe "Wrecks" was being a gambler, gunslinger and Team leader when he spent more time preparing for his New Years Eve party then he did for the game with the Packers last December. And then admitted it in the press!! "Wrecks" is a loser pure and simple!!! Also, exactly which Teams are drooling over "Wrecks" and can't wait to sign him? The Packers? What did Aaron Rodgers die and it wasn't reported in the news? The Raiders? Yeah, they want a small, immobile, fumble prone, clumsy, tiny handed QB who can't play from the shotgun because he has bad hands like "Wrecks" instead of JaMarcus Russell who is a bigger faster version of Vince Young except he can read defenses and make every through including the long ball? "Wrecks" completes one pass for a TD and suddenly the Team and people are cheering? Please stop!!!! "Wreck" threw one ball as far as he could and Berrian ran under it and now some morons are acting like it was the Bear's version of "The Catch" Joe Montana to Dwight Clark. I don't like Griese anymore than the rest of you but he is better than "Wrecks". Besides Lovie is too stupid to understand the season is over and that he needs to start Orton and get him ready for 2008. But Lovie is too stupid to bench Benson or do the right thing which would be to cut him. Even if the Bears win a few more games and get a Wild Card berth, so what? With this Coaching staff they have no chance of winning a Play-Off game on the road. In fact, all a Wild Card slot will get them is lower place to draft either a Quarterback or more importantly a REAL running back next year. Well, come to think of it the next draft will be a disaster because Angelo will be making the picks........ Oh well there is always March Madness to look forward to!

The question isn't whether REX should start. The issue is what was he left with to start this season. He was up n down more than a Lindsay Lohans skirt last year, so what does Jerry n crew do? Take way weapons and not add a single one. I understand that CedBen had 37mill tied up, but TJ could block, catch and run. AP and wolfe are no TJ. everyone wants to look at what TJ is doing in New York... Their QB situation is worse than the Bears. They did not draft a WR to replace an Aging Moose. Instead they convert hester to WR. When was he finally used???? The vikings game? How does REX not get the opportunity to line up Devin and Berrian on the outside with Olsen and Moose in the slots??? Next the play calling got worse in 07 vs 06. They attacked the defense in 06. The offense was more opened up in Preseason than the 1st 9 games. Rex was set up to fail this season and so was Ced. Lets put a down hill runner behind an Oline that is old enough to be Rex's dad! They drafted no linemen, nor picked any up in FA. Tait is old and over rated, Brown is solid, Kruetz is very overpaid and rated, Garza (young man on the block), Fred is old n slow. No one on this line can get off the snap. People wonder why rex was sacked 3 times(2 in consective plays.) He was dropping back and got blasted. The tackles beat badly. Benson's holes were smaller than a Cheerio. After watchin Olin snap the ball thru Griese's legs in Philly, there is no doubt in my mind it's him not the QB's fumbling the snaps. What happend to Rasheid Davis anyone? Bradley? What is Turner doing throwing screen's to Devin for? Run designed screen's to the RB's. I still do not think Chicago has learned this play since Neal Anderson area!!!. Im tried of hearing, we didnt get deep into our play calling. Ron is bad as Norv! If Lovie is so worried about the best players on the field to win... Then why isn't Hester, Olsen, Berrian lining up every snap? Why is Archuleta even in the NFL? Jay Mariotti's mouth runs faster than him. This team is doomed from the top down. So, should Rex start YES! I rather see him throw the ball 52 times like Griese got the chance too. Also, when did QB rating become the most important stat in the NFL??? IF sitting and learning how to QB is the best route to go, Then the Bears should be lining up to trade for Aaron Rogers or Jim Sorgi!!! After all they are behind one of and soon to be greatest QB's of all time or am I just getting ahead of myself? I got 1 other question, What in heck happened to the punt return coverage? That was non exsistant like Britney Spears parenting skills!!! Terrible.

Adam Archuleta for Chris Harris? Lovie should be fired for this trade!!! Resign Briggs, He is gonna outlast Urlacher!!!Show him the money (he needs to repair is Lamborghini!

C'mon guys with these comments: Some soul said that Orton knows this offense and then says that it stinks so I guess he's saying that Orton knows stink. Then some guy says that the media clowned Rex so the team gave him the bench. Well any long-time follower on this blog knows that people were clamoring for Rex to sit after a few putrid games last year. No one was listening then I guess. And then another guys says that Rex was the first QB to lead the BEARS to the Superbowl since McMahon. Half right. Jimmy Mac didn't even play all the games that year and sure didn't play in the best game that year in Dallas. Remember: it was that guy that ran like lightening and passed like thunder: Steve Fuller. What was the score; 44-0? All you guys want to remember is what Jimmy Mac did on Monday Night against the Vikes. Always remembering what you want to remember. Yeah, Griese and Rex both botched snaps but really which one did you expect to do just that. It was like a scene in a western movie where good guy Clint came into the saloon to face Black Bart. All the people rushed back in their chairs to give them room and Good Guy Clint pulled on his gun and shot himself in the foot. He was more like the Hero in "I'm gonna get you sucka" repelling down that wall only to get blown up coming to save the day. We waited 7 weeks for that moment? Honestly what did you " Absolute Rex backers" say when Rex did it? " It's Okay, It's okay, wait till he throw the bomb". Some of you guys are like a woman with low self esteem. It's okay for Rex to mistreat you 6 days a week as long as he give you a little attention on that 7th day. He's better than the steady guy because you like a "rough-neck" most of the time. Watching Rex on the sideline grinning after a 15 yard series is pumping up the players? If these guys are giddy after he comes in and does initially squat then it says a lot about why they are losing. And again the guys who said that he didn't have Hester and Olsen at the start of the season must not have noticed that he didn't complete a pass to either one of them yesterday. His problem is that his starting RB won't protect him when he needs it. The same apologist thinks that Benson and his 2.2 average is actually helping this team. "Give him more carries". 29?? When is enough ,enough? Yeah, Ron Turner is as imaginative as Slingblade at a Mensa convention but maybe he can't make these obviously underachieving sad sacks any better than they already are. There is no coach on this team , head or assisting ,who has a right to pick and chose who is on this roster over Angelo. I've seen guys complain about the inexperience of this coaching regime and I ask; Who wanted to come here? What hotshot assistant coach wanted to come here? What hotshot interviewed? Bears don't pay what others pay even for assistants. Before this year some assistants on other teams were making more than our head coach was. Blame ownership. You get what you pay for. And Roman, I thought there would be no more deer/headlights and Rex.

And Rex only threw 1 TD against the Raiders. Benson ran the other TD in and then took half an hour getting up as usual.

Rex is my guy! I have always liked Grossman and I will continue to stand by him.

Posted by: Chuck | November 12, 2007 03:07 PM

I DIDN'T POST THIS CRAP. I HAVE BEEN CRITICAL OF HIS PLAY. But I don't want spaghetti 0's throwing 4 pick games again, either.

Chuck, Wrecks called. He needs you Pete, Bill Lockwood, Jaws and Jim Miller do talk him up as much as possible to win over this clueless coaching staff. Please call your boy Wrecks at 1-900-LIL-HANDS

Posted by: So. IL Bruno

Rex is by the phone next to Griese, how many fumbled snaps and total fumbles does Brian have again this year? Yeah, I thought so. On top of his 12 PICKS IN 5 GAMES(at least, I stopped counting)!!! Tell Brian his wife Rebecka Justice just called, she needs him for 3rd and 6 or longer with his 158.3 passer rating on this scenario so he can "lead" his team to the playoffs and get injured..., AGAIN. Maybe Mariotti can do a threesome with them on around the horn.

Sorry, Griese is credited? with 10 picks and 6 fumbles.

Grossman has 6 picks and 3 fumbles. Who has fumbilitis again?

Not to beat a dead horse or anything but...when Rex called back to back time outs in the playoffs, it was because he was SMART enough to realize the coaches called an improper formation for the play that was being run. Sure, the rules, don't allow for back to back timeouts, but it wasn't because he wasn't thinking. He realized he didn't want a busted play that couldn't be audibled out of.

Roman responds: It was a penalty, and I don't remember for sure, but it might have affected field-goal range. How about getting out of the pocket and throwing the ball out of bounds.
And if he's so smart, why didn't get himself ready for that Packers game? Sure, it wasn't important, except to the 60,000 fans at Soldier Field who paid a lot of money to see the rivalry. If he didn't want to play, he should have told Lovie - 0.0.

Not to beat a dead horse or anything but...when Rex called back to back time outs in the playoffs, it was because he was SMART enough to realize the coaches called an improper formation for the play that was being run. Sure, the rules, don't allow for back to back timeouts, but it wasn't because he wasn't thinking. He realized he didn't want a busted play that couldn't be audibled out of.

couple of things I should add:

when I say Griese is a backup, to his credit it should be noted he is a very good/solid backup, one of the best backups in the league. Considering the scrubs one has seen on some other teams, this is actually praise.

but Griese will never take you to the promised land, though if you bring back Walter Payton, (Neal Anderson even) and that offensive line he can get you into the playoffs and win a game or two.

the biggest challenge to the Bears at the moment is that their running game is perhaps the worst in the league. They're certainly one of the competitors.

and another issue is that with a crappy line, one of the biggest weaknesses of the Bear QB's (all of them), their very limited mobility becomes more of a glaring problem than ever.

Grossman is terrible. This guy is terrible and most of these "men" on the blog are so sensitive about it they don't even want to read about him being called "wrecks". This guy is a JOKE and a one trick pony. He hooks up with Berian and that is it. Search it for yourselves. And I can-not believe some are suggesting that Benson is a good back. I cannot wait until sunday when Lovie starts Grossman and he does his "swaggering". He is not going to win another game for the Bears this season. He is absolutely abismal. Rebecka - don't even address it. It will address itself next Sunday when the Bears face a team tougher than Notre Dame. Griese is a better QB, but the Bears no longer need a back-up or starter. They need a QB for the losing future.

So IL. Bruno, I see that you were also posting over at Chicagosports.com. Guess you got to spew your useless opinions all over the place. Spare me your criticisms. When have I been talking up Rex? I simply have been stating that the running game is putrid, much like your posts, and is the main cause for the Bears lackluster season.

No WRD,

We just don't want a qb that has 1st and ten on the 40 to start most drives, and end up with field goals all day, kinda like the Eagles game, because he cannot chuck it downfield. Or have a 4 int. game and lose because at least 3 of them were thrown while in field goal range, and we lost by 3 field goals, like the 2nd Lions game. Or a pick six, and another goal line pick and lose by 10, the first Lions game. Not to mention countless dumpoffs before other receivers even finish running their routes, at times Brian will not even look downfield. Taking dumb sacks, FUMBLEEE!!!, terrible reads, he looks horrible.

Those were the reasons we wanted to bench Rex. When Berrian dogs a route, or MM and Rex are not on the same page, it's all Rex's fault. When the same things happen to Brian, all of a sudden the team around him is not playing well. Injuries were there when Rex played, Turner was still trying to get Benson untracked, we see how well that went, and the defenses Rex played were way better than the ones Griese has seen.

Brian sucks, look at his stats, at his QB rating, he sucks, his interceptions to TD ratio. His stats suck, and a change needs to be made. Fumbled snaps, or total fumbles, I think Griese palms has Rex beat on that. The two TD's against the Vikes' were a result of Minn. being in prevent coverage, which only prevents you from winning, and Hester just being the best athlete on the field the second play. Give Rex the best athlete on the field and let's see what he can do, I do hope it is better than 4 fg's and a late TD against another prevent defense.

Griese palms is not the answer, Orton just sucks, comparatively speaking, and unfortunately the only qb that has a chance is the little guy. Not super enamored with him, wish we had Brady, but we don't, we got Rex, and we got Lovie, we just have to win with them this year, or blow it up and try it again 3 years later.

Bculz, where did you find your bandwagon of Wrecks-lovers? These folks were really silent over the past several weeks.

One long TD pass. Kinda reminds you of that one long drive that Griese engineered a few weeks ago to beat the Eagles. I believe you said if it wasn't for that one long drive, people would be calling for Griese's head. Now you know how I feel about Wrecks. If it wasn't for that one long pass, the Bears would be 3-6 and Wrecks' head would be on a spit.

I know you like Rex.
I like Cedric.

So we've both taken a few lumps this season.

I predict more to come. For Wrecks, probably against Seattle, but more likely Denver. For Ced, well, he might run okay against Seattle, but Denver will probably stuff him -- a lot. Denver has the kind of defense line that gives our o-line fits.

Oh well, keep pulling for Wrecks. Now that your bandwagon is full, you should have a lot of support. Of course, in two weeks, it could be a different story. I hope not, but hope means little in the NFL.

P.S. Fire Ron Turner now.
P.P.S. Tell Wrecks to throw to Olsen, it will dramatically improve his chances of remaining the starting QB.

People, it's the offensive line! Griese is having the worst year of his career statistically and the reason is the o-line. We have no comparisons on Grossman because this is the only o-line he's played behind. Keep Grossman in there and upgrade the o-line and the receivers and we'll be just fine. Benson might even get a hole to run through.

According to the paper today, 58% vote Rex 'Gross, man' in? Are those the same retards that voted for Jorge Bush, Todd 'urkel' Stroger and Ricardo Daley?
Gross, man fumbled the first snap.
He throws one decent pass in 2 quarters and now these bears kool-aid consumers want him back at the helm?
that's sick. in a bad way.

Orton has the best arm and the most ability on the team...the fact that any of you support someone with pedestrian ability....I'm embarrassed for you and all the "never talk Rex in public" supporters...

Seattle will beat the Bears @$$ this week...but...just like 3/4 of the Raiders game...I won't watch it....I've been insulted enough, thank you very much

I want to see Orton go somewhere else and start...lol, an option Grossman wont have next year...unless he's a Bear

Angelo, Lovie, Grossman, and Benson = blacked out games

Thank God I'm a fan of football ....rather than a "fan" of a team Bears (fan is short for fanatic, if you wondered)....there is no reason to watch this team...and I'll tune back in when RexandCed are gone...

Loyalty is earned....

If only the QB were the problem - grumpy old men O line; another bust at running back; Turner's boring and totally predictable game plans(???); receiver's that can't hold on to the ball and don't block well downfield (yes, you Berrian). If all it took to get the starting job for the Bears is one long touchdown pass (despite several seasons depending on the defense or special teams to win games)what does that say about bad management decisions past and present? If Griese is healthy let him play, if not, and when Rex the Hex screws up again (and we know he will) then let Orton have a chance; he managed quite well for 10 games.

A few things:

What is the deal with this "Wrecks" stuff? It's stupid, ridiculous, not funny and stupid. It's actually starting to make me cringe.

Dr. Mary Pat - Your posts never cease to crack me the hell up.

My sister-in-law also attended Controversity, major in Crazy, minor in How to be the Wicked Witch of Wilmette in One Easy Step.

Bears are sooooo gonna lose on Sunday. Back to back west coast trips on top of the largesse of other problems spells disaster in my book.

Roman responds: Good try, Miss B., but isn't largesse defined as generosity, as in money? Maybe not.

Seedy Backlash, what you wanted everyone to clamor for Rex after he was benched? People were finally moving on...except for Mariotti who would continue to kick his own mother while she was laying on the ground. Rex came in this past Sunday because of an injury and did pretty well, considering he hadn't played for 6 weeks. He renewed hope for the Bears, although it is pretty faint. So now people are talking about Grossman. This is what the original post wanted.

Russ, what the hell does politics have to do with Football? Yeah, sure...Republicans want Grossman while Democrats want Griese. That's the most moronic thing I've ever heard.

P.S. Grossman did fumble the first snap, but so did Griese. If I recall against Philly, there was another snap that went through Griese's legs and would have been the Eagle's ball in the redzone if it wasn't for some obscure rule. Maybe the snapping problems aren't the QBs fault *hint* *hint*

Terry Bradshaw hit it on the head a month ago....Start Grossman....if anyone knows what they are talking about, it is Bradshaw....he was damn near run out of Pittsburgh and called stupid and inept as a quarterback his first couple of years.....he ended up winning 4 superbowls......Grossman is still relatively inexperienced and could only get better with more playing time and time to gel with his new weapons (hester and Olsen) whom he did not have last year...griese is not the answer, they DO need to figure out if Grossman is legitimately before he is shipped out of Chicago and goes somewhere else where the play calling is actually NFL caliber and actually has a chance to succeed....

AJ,

What is up with your Man Crush obsession with Orton the Neck Bearded Pirate? Are you mentally challenged? Do you not remember the lovely 11.8 points per game we averaged with him as the starter? He was awful, awful, awful. He is an eye sore and has a weaker arm that Griese. Rex got you to the show, Griese sucks and is a 4 time loser. If Griese was so great three other teams wouldn't have been tripping over themselves to release him. GO REX! He will win a super bowl long before the Bears do if they let him go.

Roman responds: I understand why they made the switch, and I agree with it.
Maybe I've been a bit too hard on him, but don't tell me how he never makes a mental mistake. Remember the back-to-back timeouts in the playoffs last season?
And as far as the "description of his attitude," as another poster pointed out, remember the Colts def. coordinator telling his players to stay alive on Rex because he's scared to death? That's deer in headlights.

Roman - Ok, so a defensive coordinator says someone is scared to death on the sidelines and that makes him a "deer in headlights", or makes him confused? What is wrong with you. If you had a microphone on any sideline you would hear that an worse, and about great quarterbacks. You don't think opposing teams coaches make comments about staying on Farve and eventually he will throw one up that you will have a chance to pick? Please! Grow up and get over your hatred for Grossman. What is with the media in this town, did he turn you down for a sound bite? Your disdain for him reminds me of a guy who hates his ex-girl friend who just dumped him.

Roman responds: I'm going to guess that NO defensive coordinator EVER said Favre is scared to death.

Chris Willette:

Bradshaw sees a lot of himself in Grossman. To paraphrase a quote that Hollywood Henderson directed at Bradshaw, "Grossman couldn't spell 'Cat' if you spotted him the 'C' and the 'A'."

I'm sorry to post that, but it is sort of funny and it is sort of accurate.

To all those who think Grossman will throw to Hester and Olsen, think again. Olsen was overheard on the Bears' sideline complaining that he was wide open all day against the Raiders, but never saw the ball but once. Wrecks likes to throw to Berrian and Muhammad -- and that's pretty much it. Just don't tell that to any defensive coordinators that we will be facing because they haven't figured that out yet -- at least that's what Lovie is telling himself.

I'm not so sure Seattle will kick Bear a$$.

they might win the game, but it won't be easy.

Seattle has no running game this year, Sean Alexander is running like Cedric.

I don't think you can take advantage of the Bears D by just throwing the ball, especially to the pedestrian receivers that Seattle has.

Even Indy, which had the best QB and set of WR's in the league last year, took advantage of the Bear D by running the ball down their throats.

if you're going to pass all the time, someone like "the new Colonel", aka Mark Anderson might actually make a play.

Well then it's a good thing I took out the part where I awarded myself bonus points for using such a big fancy word as largesse. Which do you like instead, Mr. Editor: enormousness, magnitude or immensity?

Griese is credited? with 10 picks and 6 fumbles.

Grossman has 6 picks and 3 fumbles.

Brenden G got it right!
Everyone is so gun-ho on shipping Rex out of town they dont even realize he is the best QB we have seen in Chicago in ages and probably will be the best we see for some time"

Roman responds: Elite company, isn't it? Henry Burris, Rick Mirer, Cade, (old) Kordell Stewart.

Paul Anderson - You could stand 20M Miles away from me and I will still smack you right between the eyes with with my diction!

Keith, your all over the frieakin map bro...and your next quote could go on record as probably the STRAIGHT CRAZIEST THING YOU HAVE SAID TO DATE.
"Culzie - um sorry to announce that, but its true. I am going on record stating the Bears will not win another game this year - with Rex at QB.

Holy cow....

what can we bet on this????????????????

Good Ideas Tyson!!!
":Aaron rodgers from GB could be a possibility, Derek Anderson (I don't care what the cost sign that guy if possible), but definitely NOT McNabb""

AGREED!!

FUNNY POST
Christmas wish... Please don't sign WRECKS HEXMAN to a new contract - Posted by: Dan | November 12, 2007 12:59 PM

SEEDY SEZ
If it will shut up Bculz and all of the other "gross-lings" (THATS FUNNY)who are honking about the Rex-ster, then I say start Grossman.(OK)

If he can "lead" us to a couple more wins. Well, hurrah,(HURRAH IS RIGHT) I guess. (WHAT SHOUDL WE DO DUMP AND GO FOR RYAN OR COLT BRENNAN?)

Hell, let's tear up his contract right now and extend him. (WHAT ARE YOU A COWBOY?)

In fact, let's extend the contracts of Turner, Lovie, Angelo and everyone else in the Bears inner circle. We should re-sign all of the offensive lineman and extend their contracts. While we're at it, let's extend Archuleta's contract. (So Rex is Archuleta?)

I mean why not. Everyone else in the NFL coddles their underperformers.(If you were a Steeler GM, you woulda cut Rothlisburger before last season.)

Oh, uhh, everyone except the Patriots (CHEATERS), the Colts (SO BAD FOR SO LONG THEY LUCKILY WON THE BEST QB IN 20 YEARS LOTTO), the Steelers( AFC), the Cowboys (PARCELS MOVES FINALLY PAYING DIVIDENDS...DID THEY MAKE THE SUPERBOWL LAST YEAR? NO ROMO CHOKED...YOU WOULDA CUT HIM PROBABLY TOO). But heck, we don't want to be like THOSE teams. (SCREW BEING LIKE DALLAS

While we play musical chairs with mediocre quarterbacks ( I PLAYED HS & GRADE SCHOOL FOOTBALL WITH A LUCKMAN, YOU DONT NEED TO TELL ME ABOUT IT) and crow about beating a pathetically awful 2-6 team, the good teams find ways to overcome huge deficits (e.g., Steelers comeback against Browns (ALL OF A SUDDEN THE BROWNS ARE A POWERHOUSE I GUESS) and just get better.
The gap widens. When will we notice?
Posted by: Seedy "THE EXAGERATOR" Backslash | November 12, 2007 01:02 PM

THE EVERYONE NEEDS TO RE-READ HIS POST AWARD GOES TO....SEYMOUR
(please read it carefully Hitman)

I'e watched the Bears since 1933 and I learned that no one player will make a team a winner unless he is the final piece to t a well stocked puzzle.They never won with Butkus,Sayers,two of the greatest,but no winners.Why are we crucifying our quarterbacks when the line can't block for 4 seconds or open holes for our running backs who can't be as bad as their statistics,or receivers who can't get open catch a ball if it does not stick to them.I sit in a lounge chair in Texas watching the Bears by sattlelite, it is third down and eight in comes Adrian Petersen,I turn to my son and say here comes a pass to Petersen and bring in the punter.If I can call it do the coaches think the defenses can't.Need I say more.

Posted by: Seymour Farber | November 12, 2007 01:46 PM

Lets see if Cedric Benson can play QB because he sure as hell is not an NFL RB.

Go Rex, stick it to all of the moronic media and SHOVE IT BACK IN THEIR FACES when they try to interview you, hopefully live on national TV!!!!

Posted by: Bill Lockwood | November 12, 2007 02:33 PM

REX HAS NEVER MET AN INTERVIEW HE COULDNT GIGGLE HIS WAY THROUGH

Well done Chris Willette...and Joe B, you crack me up!

Come on up everyone.....plenty of room...in the back....watch your step!!!

Dictionary of Difficult Words - largessen = bountiful gift of money; generosity. largition, n. giving of largesse. © From the Hutchinson Encyclopaedia of Difficult Words.

Maybe she meant...on top of the "bounty" of other problems

The best thing about this...is....when I googled it....to find out its precise definition....what pops up??? but...something from the Dictionary of Difficult Words. Could that be any more apropos or what?

Hey Roman,
They were at the goal line when Rex called the back to back timeouts when Turner called the wrong formation. It didn't hurt them at all. In fact, he realized he couldn't do it and he ran the play anyway and got the first down on fourth and one. But it was the right instinct to call a timeout seeing the glaring mistake.

The Green Bay New Year's eve game is an improper comparison. He said he was going to play the first half and it was a night game, New Years, etc...and therefore his focus was not all there. That has nothing to do with intelligence. You can accuse him or work ethic, but even that is not fair because Turner and other members of the offense stated he worked just as hard that week as any. He just got lazy during the game and said he learned his lesson...he has a tremendous work ethic. He wouldn't just come in this week unprepared and play well...it showed he prepared even when he could have easily coasted through practice.

And you Griese lovers to knock Rex's his passer rating so make sure you give him credit for his 109 passer Rating against the Raiders. Not bad for an idiot who doesn't prepare. You guys kill me.

And Major Props to the post by CHUCK..."We just don't want a qb that has 1st and ten on the 40 to start most drives, and end up with field goals all day" Awesome observation Chuck. Griese gets every drive at the forty and can't score a TD. Add in his 10 INTs (four in the end zone), 5 or so fumbles, and noodle arm and you guys claim he's better than Rex???!!! You Griese lovers are like the guy who leaves a pretty wife so a butt faced, sloppy ho.

Maybe Griese was dumping off because he realized that his bone-headed WRs were running the wrong route. With Rex he just makes one of those faces and not say a thing about who's dogging it. Plenty of times Rex has started at the 40 and has not gotten even a first down. Last year we were getting turnovers deep in enemy territory and guess who kicked a whole bunch of FGs because Rex failed to capitalize on that. If you take out the Hester TDs and the D's TDs where does this team fall in offensive categories? Take away Jones contributions and where does that leave us? With Benson and the juggernaut O we have now,I guess. Plain and simple: If he throws a bomb and it isn't completed some of you guys just get charged up about his arm strength. Big deal. I don't like watching a game holding my breath because I'm waiting for this guy to throw an INT in the flat. Berrian is Dez White with a little more catching ability. How many times has he caught a pass and guys pull on him like a slot machine in Vegas and he almost loses the ball? He's a track guy who doesn't do enough the rest of the game. But he blows by a guy and catch one pass and all is forgiven. Some one mention that he doesn't block down field and they're right about that. You guys are always impressed with "one trick ponies"(great assessment,my man). Yeah Moose got called for a penalty and he has dropped as many balls as anyone but he gets dogged because he's not catching bombs. He does more than ANY WR we have and fans don't give him any praise. Clark drop one pass and he gets dumped on as well. This guy is constantly dragging two or more LBs down the field with him,getting first downs and more, and no one gives him any praise. He does what TEs are supposed to be doing and just because he's not Olsen he's swirling in the commode to know-it-alls. Thomas Jones did a lot of tough running last year and you guys didn't see his contribution until the guy you clamored for showed himself to be one of those one-trickers. You guys have a tendency to watch certain aspects of a game and then come on here and tells us what you saw. You see what you want to see and then you give half an assessment. Truth be told: ALL of these fans would just love for Rex to be a million dollar passer. Not one of us get off on his failure except some guy who is not a fan of this team. We all got off on the bombs and the quick TDs and relished winning BIG last year. It's just that the guy doesn't always look like a million dollars. Sometimes he looks like " I want my money back". But you can not get on the fans who are not impressed with one score that won the game when the overall game stunk. Everyone professes to know this game. Some guys can tell you who is looking like crap on every play because they "played" the game. How many of these played the game types is on speed-dial on ANY coach's cell phone? Any PeeWee coaches calling you guys because he wants to know how to stop "little Johnny" from running all over his team? Your recliner in your basement is not a coaching booth. Your big screen is not showing game film that is isolating LBS, OLs, DBs and WRs. It's showing you the same game I just watched. Your knowledge is good to YOU, so don't trample on anyone else's assessment just because YOU feel your knowledge is good for EVBERYBODY else. I'm entitled to my opinion about a guy who is on my TV taking away my better enjoyment of the game. So is the next guy. Just because he impresses you doesn't mean that I should be impressed. GO BEARS!!

There is nobody on this team good enough for the long term.
Briggs could be long term...but he don`t want to be here....can`t
blame him.....this mangement is mentally challenged.
Urlacher will retire with the Bears.
I would`nt bet on any of the 3 QB`S
Griese got beat up pretty quick with this OL.
So Rex is your only Option....Like it or not.
Go BEARS!!!!!!!!!

It is time to play Orton. The only reason to play Rex is for Lovie and Jerry to appear to know what they are doing for awhile longer. But that won't last long, this season is over. It was over after the second loss to Detroit. Griese is paid big dollars for long term, think Bears are going to dump him for nothing. Paying a big contract to Rex while still needing to draft a qb and find out this season if orton can play isn't going to happen either. Eventually Angelo will realize he can't keep Rex and cut orton without giving him a chance to play again. Bears can't resign Rex and then draft a qb or bring in someone in trade or free agency either. Anyway you slice it Rex is gone and Orton needs to play. Otherwise you do this all over again next year, just like last year and the year before that and oh yeah, the year before that too. I could go on but you get the idea.

Grossman is the most talented QB the Bears have had since... Jim McMahon? If is so frustrating watching him with his confidence, his swagger and his cannon arm. It's frustrating because he fails to exploit those gifts due to his 10 cent head.

He has the ability, but he struggles to get the job.

We're not going anywhere with Griese. Throw Grossman back in. Maybe he has learned from his demotion. Griese is not the answer. Let's get a definitive answer on Grossman. If not him, then let's see what Orton can do.

No matter what happens, the Bears need to draft a QB next year. How Grossman plays (if he plays) will determine how early in the draft the Bears will have to do so.

Boy, I am so sick and tired of all the Rex and Ced bashing this year. The problem is the O-Line and an incompetent offensive coordinator who doesn't understand how to use his personnel effectively. Obviously Ced is no Adrian Peterson, but who is? Like most running backs in the league he needs HOLES in the line to get going. Our O-Line is not creating ANY. Rex has a shotgun for an arm but he is short and immobile i.e. VERY susceptible to sacks. So, you have to give him some protection. When Rex was in earlier in the year, the line wasn't giving him ANY. Also, it doesn't help that our defense is beat up and generally sux.

Why are fans in this town so damn fickle.... just a few weeks ago Greiese was the toast of the town. He had back to back 300 yard games. Now.. play Rex.. and the reason is, "wow did you see that pass."

Yes... Rex has the cannon that everybody loves but there is one thing that you need at the qb pos.. consistency. There are two consistent numbers that must be looked at.

53%
61%

Those are the comp percentages of the qbs in this town. Griese is alot of things. Week arm and prone to turnovers in the red zone, but.. he completes 61% of his passes. Consistently every game. That chews more time off the clock.. it gives more oportunities to move the chanes. That is football.

Joe B:
What is up with your Man Crush obsession with Orton the Neck Bearded Pirate? Are you mentally challenged? Do you not remember the lovely 11.8 points per game we averaged with him as the starter?

I remember that, and the 10 games we won with him as the starter. Cue the "b-b-but the DEFENSE" guys--look, all of you guys hollering about how Rex should be given a free pass last year because he was "like a rookie"--Kyle Orton ACTUALLY WAS A ROOKIE during his year as a starter, a rookie thrust into the starting position during the second-to-last week of the preseason, a rookie coming of an injury-plagued senior year at Purdue. He wasn't asked to do much, he didn't do much, and now he's had a year-and-a-half on the bench to get used to the speed of the game.

Am I saying he deserves to start over Griese? No. I personally think he ought to, but if Rex Grossman can get a free pass for an entire season, the least Griese can get is half of one. I am saying Orton deserves a proper shot at the starting job, in the off-season if not now.

Still, Rex is not an upgrade. Sorry to burst anyone's bubble, but Rex's negatives grossly (unintentional pun) outweigh his positives.

Although a running game and the return of a decent O-line would be nice.

DUH! The more I read about Grossman being an inefficient QB the more I realize that fans do not understand the game of football. Grossman and any other QB is only as good as the offensive line and blockers in the backfield.Peyton Manning would be toast if he had the current Bears offensive line and a back who can not block on a blitz or has hands of stone. Guys and Gals place the blame where it belongs...in the hands of management who would not pay to keep a good running back nor a good defensive or offensive team.

Hey Russ, it's George Bush and Richard Daley. I don't know if you're a confused hispanic or trying to be funny, but if it's the latter then I just don't get it. So over half of Americans are "retards" then huh? Yeah, that's how we became a hegemonic superpower, by being retards. And everyone who voted for our esteemed mayor? Retards? Let me guess. You voted for Ralph Nader, that African-American woman from out-of-state that had no chance of being mayor of Chicago, and want Kyle Orton under center. You're a freaking fruitcake. Go get your food stamps, unemployment check, and go picket somewhere... how about mexico?

See what you have done Rex? One touchdown pass and Bear Fans have become either angry or delusional.

Thanks Rex, just what we needed to get our minds off the nice weather we're having in November. At least for Chicago Bear Fans anyway.

Bculz: Are you a biology major because I was trying to throw you a small bone and you dissected it down to it's essence. Sadly, most of your rant was off base, but hey, that's never stopped you before.

And, yes, the Browns are a decent football team. Not good, but decent. More than I can say for those Raiders we "toasted" on Sunday.

Bculz, perhaps the Wrecks bandwagon is so full of johnny-come-latelys that it's tough to breathe in there and that's why your post was so misguided -- lack of oxygen to the ol' melon.

Try again.

Btw, Orton should get a shot. Said that before they switched to Griese. Still saying it.

P.S. Ced's the man.

I call shotgun!

WHOA!

Mention Rex and the blog goes crazy!

russ:

"According to the paper today, 58% vote Rex 'Gross, man' in? Are those the same retards that voted for Jorge Bush, Todd 'urkel' Stroger and Ricardo Daley?"

I guess there's hope for anyone then, even you. These are the same fans who wanted him benched after ONE game loss at the beginning of the season. The names you just mentioned represent wildly diffrent demographics. Richard Daley was re-elected with over 70% of the popular vote, so at least 12% of you perfect Griese supporters would have voted for Daley as well- that is, if your cockaminie logic made any sense whatsoever.

"Gross, man fumbled the first snap."

So did Griese.

"He throws one decent pass in 2 quarters and now these bears kool-aid consumers want him back at the helm?"

Obviously, one decent pass in two quarters is all it takes to win. Maybe if Griese could throw one good pass he would have been able to beat the Lions.

William R. Donald:

"Your knowledge is good to YOU, so don't trample on anyone else's assessment just because YOU feel your knowledge is good for EVBERYBODY else."

Nobody is preventing you from making your opinions known.

Mike:

"Yes... Rex has the cannon that everybody loves but there is one thing that you need at the qb pos.. consistency."

I'd rather have a glimmer of hope than endure a consistent failure.

To Cocobear:

Are you retarded? That is such a dumb statement that you made about Rex getting turnovers last year deep in enemy territory and only getting field goals. Let me clear this up once and for all for everyone - the Bears were in the top 3 teams in scoring last year. It is true that the defense forced a lot of turnovers, but you don't get to the top of the league by only kicking field goals. And as for Rex taking back to back timeouts. How about Griese, wussing out on his slide before half-time against the Lions. Not only did slide and come up two yards short, but had a mental breakdown and called a timeout. That left the Lions enought time to kick a field goal. So I guess Griese is a mental midget too.

hey culzie, tell your grandpa I'm amazed it only took him 74 years to figure out there are 11 players on each side of the ball....yeah, football is a team sport....brilliant..

RexandCed are busts

The only people who don't see it are Angelo, Lovie...and the rest of the people who believe Loyalty should be a blind allegiance instead of being earned through competence...

Enjoy your games for the rest of the season

Roman responds: I'm going to guess that NO defensive coordinator EVER said Favre is scared to death.

Well..we all know how Favre's just grow on trees!!!

Roman responds: He's the one who brought up Favre. If you don't want the comparison, don't start it.

Clint Clack..your cracking me up...

I voted for Nader too...when I was 18, listened to Hendrix everyday and lived in a college dorm...

but after 9/11....everything changed for me...

now i realize that Big Oil Christian Cowboys are not our worst enemy (which many libs still think)....its the ISLAMO NAZI's THAT ARE TRYING TO ESTABLISH SHARIAH'C lAW EVERYWHERE!!!

All I know is that after watching the first half of this season, and reading about everyone here bitching and whining about how "Grosman stinks" or whatever, I have come to a few conclusions:

-I would much rather watch Rex throw a 42 yard pass down the field to whomever and see it get intercepted than watch Griese on 3rd and 15 check the ball down to Adrian Peterson every time...by throwing the ball down the field you will eventualy open up running lanes and see 8 in the box less...

-I would much rather see Rex exploited on the blitz than Griese...at least in the Oakland game Grosman showed a (little) elusiveness by wading through 3 blitzers through the middle.....IF Griese cant roll out to the right and has a blitzer on that side, he is toast, because he sure as hell cant finagle through the middle....

- I would much rather watch Rex on the field compared to Griese because it seema as if the play calling capacity is automatically differently perceived by the other team....there is virtually no deep threat with the ball beyond 20 yards with Griese whereas Rex wont hesitate to throw it 30 if need be...Griese at times cant either hit the receiver in stride or underthrows it, wheres with Rex the receiver just drops the ball (not rex's fault)...grossman at times is late with the ball especially in zone coverage, but the more teams he plays and different zone looke he sees over time, he should adapt a bit better (considering that Rex has only had the opportunity to play about 16-17 of the teams in this league at this point)

- Another thing, when Rex was in, the defense actually looks and sometimes plays like they did in 2006 (with the exception of the second half of the Dallas game, which half the defense dropped like flies with injuries), its like the defense has selective memory dependent on who is playing QB....with Brian Griese in, the defense thinks they MAY win, and struggles....with Rex in, the defense says "this son of a bitch is either going to torch the other team or suck ass today, on one hand we get an easy game, on the other hand we still remain hungry"...which sure isnt the case with griese in the game

Consensus: Grossman -at least for now

Grossman vs Griese. Or... Why not give Orton a chance? I have supported Grossman, but Im not an Grossman apologist. I point out when he screws up, or anyone else on the team for that matter. I do believe he should start because I think he is the best option for the team. But is he a better QB than Griese or Orton? To be honest, I think we have 3 QBs that would be good backups. Grossman gives you hope because he does have the arm strength. Nut he also can be rattled, and god help him if he starts the game off shaky. But is he gets into a rhythm he can be really good. Griese isn't as streaky as Rex, and he does bring some leadership, but people keep saying he's smart but everytime I watch him play he's throwing ints. Orton, is okay and he did have a good preseason (against stiffs) but he is just a backup too. So since I have no choice, I would go with Rex. He's not a superstar by any means, but in my opinion he's the best option, not because of his ability, but because of the team. The team really responds to him. I don't know why no one sees that but me.

Seedy I said your line about Gross-lings was funny, but your last post was even funnier.

Im sticking with Benson (like you) and Grossman (like the rest of us in my SEXY REXY VIP bandwagon Extravaganza).

Enjoy your games for the rest of the season
Posted by: Hitman | November 14, 2007 03:32 PM

Where are you gonna be??

I Didnt Bring up Favre did I?

I guess I did say that he occassionally made Favre like Throws...but come on...gimme some credit...I can tell the difference between...Filet and Flank!

Oh...and I would trade Rex for a second for something better, but shelving him permanantly was not the right call, and we who said it was not the right call...were RIGHT!

Find someone better, until then....im Bringing Sexy back...and Im lovin it Jerry!!!

John Y. I am sorry but Benson's problems extend beyond the lackn of good offensive line play and lack of holes.

I saw it last year the first time I saw him run and it's the same thing that the scouts talk about in Brad Bigg's Bears blogs re Benson.

He has poor field vision and lacks the lateral movement, and balance to wait until a hole develops.

the only thing he can do is run north/south, which means he's only a goalline back, unless you build a superior offensive line.

Several weeks ago, during the Lion game, when Kevin Jones hit a 31 yard run,I specifically brought up that play as a perfect example of a play Benson could never make, but a featured RB in the NFL today has to make. (KJ did a little stutter step, saw a hole develop late, then hit it)

Benson simply cannot do this. He's never exhibited an ability to do this. All he can do is plod to the gap you tell him to go, hole or not.

I saw Adrian Peterson in the very first weeks of the NFL season before he became the sensation he is now, and immediately on the pages of these blogs brought up the unbelievable difference between him and the likes of slug Ced.

Ced runs at half speed.
No moves.
No shake/bake.

He's Ron Dayne (on a very good day)

a fourth pick? Unreal.

Should've been fourth round.

Thanks, Cocobear.

Just call it as I see it.

And NFL.com has Griese at 10 int's and 6 fumbles in case anyone wanted to know.

He is not playing any better than Grossman this year, or definitely not last year.

Where was I wrong when I said that last year we would start in decent field position on Bad Rex day, not get anywhere all game, but then he might deliver his patented bomb to Berrian? Robbie Gould set a record for FGs last year. How could he do that if we were scoring TDs all the time? Like I said:you remember what you want to remember. I also said that no one particularly wants for Rex to fail but aren't overall happy with his direction. Same with Benson. Common sense is that a player should get better after a whole season especially after his "first full season". It doesn't appear that that has happened. When I say that someone tramples on someone else's assessment I'm not talking about myself. You have guys swearing that the next guy is retarded and hold up part of what he said as validation. I'm opinionated. But I rarely name names. I'll call you out without telling anyone I'm even talking about you. It's up to you to feel I'm talking about you. This Rex guy polarizes any site his name pops up on. If everyone believed that he was the answer they would answer with short and concise responses. Not everyone is sold on Griese just because they back him. As far as they are concerned he's the lesser of two evils. Truth be told: if you have a QB controversey it might just mean that you have no QB to speak of. Jermaine said it best,that they are all good back ups. All of them should be riding a bench somewhere and a true stud should be getting groomed. It's up to Angelo to go out and get the goods. Drafting guys who are lucky to go in the order that they picked them and signing them to star money contracts has to stop. No matter how many times a QB with a solid pedigree became free we never pursued them. He traded down to get Rex. He traded down to get a lot of guys when he should've traded up to get those studs. Look at the cadre of sure things we could've had but for some reason they didn't get them. When have you guys been pissed off at our picks? You just go along with blind faith. Some GMs draft studs all through their drafts and get free agents that are on the open market. We get solid to decent players no matter what. Angelo drafted a few studs in lower rounds by accident and you forget that he isn't a guru. For every other Hester or Anderson there is a Haynes and a Leon Joe. He didn't draft Urlacher and barely drafted Briggs. Every pick he has made has a knock against him. Just about every free agent has had a quick expiration date. Getting diamonds in the rough blinds you to the fact that we just don't get studs that are cashing checks. Just solid or decent players holding up a place where we should've had a true stud. Then we attack each other because we can't decide which one of these guys can be a true stud. Neither, so stop beating yourself up about it. And stop beating up on each other. GO BEARS!!

Enjoy your games for the rest of the season
Posted by: Hitman | November 14, 2007 03:32 PM
Posted by:bculz
Where are you gonna be??

originally, I was going to rake my leaves this Sunday..I no longer see a reason to watch this team

I turned the game off when Rex went in Sunday.....BUT....it's gonna rain for the next 4 days in Seattle....most importantly.. all day Sunday, too...oh heck yeah, can't wait to watch Rex now

2 points about your post WRD,

It was a good post, do not get me wrong. Yes, I agree with about 90% of what you placed....

1. You can make the same comment about all 32 teams, it is not an exact science. The two best qbs in the league are round 1 pick 2 (not even the first qb taken), and a sixth round selection. Manning and Brady. The Patriots were lucky to have Brady, and if Bledsoe does not get hurt, does Brady have the type of career he has now. Brett Favre is on his second team, and all of us agree he is a first ballot hall of famer. Dan Marino late first round(not the first qb taken). GM's all over the league go with their gut, not one GM that has had a perfect draft, ever. It is impossible, No GM drafts better than the others, some just happen to find players to fit their taste. Since some tastes differ than others, they have less competition. Tim Couch, Akili Smith, Donovan McNabb, D. Culpepper, C. McNown. The top three of 1999, and 5 of the first 12 picks. Only two have actually played up to first round potential. Both of them played to late first round potential, though.

2. This is my 10%. You mention the bad of Rex constantly in a lot of your posts, but not the good of Rex. That is the main reason I not so much support Rex, but think that is an unfair double standard. What do you get on a bad Griese day, or even an average Griese day? This season, a couple of picks, a fumble, and more than half of the time a loss. We get the same with Rex on a bad rex day, and we still have a higher winning percentage with him at qb.

But on a Good Griese day we get around a 100 rating, high completion percentage, respectable turnover ratio, still maybe a loss. Consistent, veteran, and accurate. A good Rex day gives us big play, big play, big play, and 0-1 turnovers. Not much chance for losses there, look at his over 100 qb rating games, not many losses. The difference is Griese has not had many good Brian days, they have mostly been average to bad this season.

If the best we are gonna get out of Griese is 2 out of 5 decent to good games, and not 5 out of 5, why stick with him? He is supposed to be the consistent veteran, but he has been anything but consistent this season. We have gotten two decent to good games out of Grossman this season with less than 5 games played.

And I called the man 'retarded' who called me brain-dead, it was meant for no one else. To insinuate I want to see someone get hurt is retarded, I still play at times, and I do not want to get hurt, so why would I wish that on someone else.

Also, maybe not you, but there are posters here who want to see Grossman fail, they were here last year as well. Hitman is one.

bculz:

"I voted for Nader too...when I was 18, listened to Hendrix everyday and lived in a college dorm...

but after 9/11....everything changed for me...

now i realize that Big Oil Christian Cowboys are not our worst enemy (which many libs still think)....its the ISLAMO NAZI's THAT ARE TRYING TO ESTABLISH SHARIAH'C lAW EVERYWHERE!!!"

I apologize in advance for what I'm about to say, for what I'm about to say will blow your mind.
Millions of people die every year, all around the world. $3,000 dead really isn't a lot, even for America. Over ten thousand die in America every year from gun violence alone; over 170,000 die from cigarette smoke every year. Sure the "ISLAMO NAZIS" would love to take over, but they won't be able to do that unless we give them the ammunition. 9/11 happened because we weren't following the rules and regulations that were in place before the terrorists attacked. Get over 9/11 and stop feeling sorry for yourself, please.

William R. Donald:

"Robbie Gould set a record for FGs last year."

If my memory serves me correctly, Gould set the record because he hadn't missed a Field Goal, not because he had the most attempts.

Chuck says "He traded down to get Rex. He traded down to get a lot of guys when he should've traded up to get those studs."

Poor Chuck, your ignorance never seems to amaze me. Please do tell who the studs were that Jerry could have traded up for? Carson Palmer went number one and there was no way Cincy would have traded out of that spot. Are you seriously call the other two qbs taken ahead of Rex (Byron Leftwich and Kyle Boller) Studs! You kill me! Please anyone who would rather have either of them over Rex is an idiot. Period!

Then you go on to continue to complain about Jerry's draft picks and make the comment "He barely drafted Briggs" - please explain to me how you "barely" draft a guy you take in the 3rd round. That meants that all 32 teams past on the guy at least twice and some teams 3 times or more. Just wondering if the Colts "barely" drafted Peyton Manning? You can bash Jerry for some of his picks - namely David Terrel and Michael Haynes, but show a GM that hit on everyone of his picks. Look at the players he has found that were not first round picks - Briggs (3rd), Tillman (2nd), Hester (2nd, Berrian (3rd), Orton (I think I just threw up in my mouth -4th), Vasher (4th), Alex Brown (4th), Mark Anderson (5th), Chris Harris (6th), McBride (7th). All off those guys contribute and are starters in this league, and not one of them were first rounders. Please - get some knowledge of which to speak from and stop letting Marrioti rot you brain.

UHHH, Joe B., I didn't say that, If you read my post...the one with my name under it(not over it), you will see I said all 32 teams have made mistakes on draft day, not only the Bears(an accurate statement.)

Your comment is for that person, not me.

It's William and not Chuck,Joe B. And one of the main reason Briggs didn't get drafted earlier is because he spoke out against the mistreatment of his fellow players by his coach and was labeled a malcontent. Once a guy displays any worts his value plummets. Dude if you were reading clearly you would see that you named a bunch of low-round players who collectively didn't make as much in their first year as the overall money they invested in Benson alone. You proved my point with your argument. Of those 5 QBs you named which one did you want right off the bat? Stop thinking that the BEARS could not move up in any draft because no one was worthy. The skinflints just don't want to pay that pick that much money. I said and I stand behind the fact that Angelo does not draft studs in the first round. You named a whole lot of busts that he picked that I didn't think about. Once he drafts this solid but unspectacular player then he's thrusted into a line-up without proving himself. And as for free agents how many times were guys like Warner and Plummer available and we passed them over? How many times have we signed a guy who was no better than the guy we just let go? Before you call yourself correcting someone take the time to understand the content. And Chuck, I did allow Rex a whole lot of leeway. And I was one of those guys saying that he was in his first full season and that he deserved a lot of leeway. Go back and read blogs from before and immediately after the Super bowl and you would see that. I just don't give a flying fig about what he was doing at the start of the season. Maybe my patience wore out when I saw guys like Jones and Harris get traded to make room for guys like Benson and Archuleta who were given starting position time and time again. Last year is last year and you can be stubborn to live in the past. And Keylan, Kevin Butler didn't miss that many the year he previously set that record. Kicking FGs mean that your Offense failed to score TDs, so take that any way you like. Also, Chuck that guy was wrong for calling you brain-dead. And his was one of the remarks I thought of when I made that assessment. I really didn't remember your comment in particular and I wasn't contributing that to you. I just know that I'm not big on name-calling and that extends to those WRECKS comments. I may not like the way a player plays or a blogger's comments but I'm not about to disrepect you by calling out your name or calling you out your name. (threw up in my mouth,how original) And for the record I don't read Jay very often. I'm 43 years-old so I don't think anyone is about to influence me on how to think. GO BEARS!!!

IF 3000 isnt alot...and we should get over it?....How about Katrina...should we get over that? Do you know How many died in Katrina? And that was just Mother Nature...

Keylan..dude...you scaring me...have you your head in a hole? Do you not see the DAILY ATTACKS around the world? You fool...you think they just want to set off a few fire crackers and then they will go away when we elect a democrat?

Give me a break son!

Dont make me go off on a super duper rant, cause it wont ever see the light of day, but...if you ever really wanna know...email roman your email, and ill update you on world affairs!

i just pray fools like you arent the cracks that these venomous snakes take advantage of, and I hope its not your schools that your kids go to, they take hostage like they did in West Russia, or your Shopping Malls they blow up, or your subways...like in Spain, or your Airplane...or your water supply they hit first.

WAKE UP BROTHAS!!!!

LIKE WRD SAID...CANT WE ALL STOP BASHING EACH OTHER...AND FOCUS...ON THE REAL ENEMY....THE SEAHAWKS!!!!

Joe B after calling out Chuck so bad, when he didnt even say it....has to feel like Jack Nicholson when he asked Tom Cruises father was, and was told he is dead...

"Well...dont I feel like the F...ing A....Hole."

Now that I'm wide awake after having to get the baby's pacifier I have a little more time to read more blogs and digest what I've read. I hate to bring someone back up as a topic but I must. Why do new people to this blog always make their presense known by coming out and insulting someone else and their comments? What's the matter:your life so full of strife that you come here puffing your chest out trying to get back at someone? You say no one "seem" to amaze you then you can't "cease" to act amazed. And to add insult to others you call out the wrong people. Now I remember why I felt like people were too insulting. Your blogs are just that. Name-calling is silly,childish and petty and the ones who do it all the time must be showing their true colors. Why don't you spend more time "talking UP Rex" than talking down to a bunch of people who are really showing some semblance of intellegence by even bringing content into the equation. You guys get so touchy about Rex that it makes me wonder why that is such the case. I don't need to hear how his druthers and negativity should shut up black QBs because his example is ample proof that a white guy can be the biggest dumped on player in the history of blogdom. That's another case that shouldn't even be rearing it's ugly head again and it wasn't a "nice try" in trying to illicit that topic again. For whatever reason this guy gets such negative pub and it's beyond me. Maybe it had to do with him being handed the starting job without any competition. Maybe it's the way he looks. Maybe it's a million other things. But whatever it is I'm not about to lay down on a shrink's couch and figure it out. Some of you guys need that shrink for reasons that go beyond any of this. Night-night, GO BEARS!!

Chuck, you are 100%, my apologies! Go Bears!

William - did you actually bring up Warner and Plummer in the same context as us letting them slip by us? You have got to be kidding me! And stop crying about Thomas Jones, he is on his fourth team now for a reason. Let me make this clear, he has never, ever, ever made it to a probowl, and he is averaging a very Benson like 3.8 yards per carry, and has ZERO touchdowns to boot.

wrd...who are you referring too?

i guess Joe B!

No problem, Joe B.
I get blasted on my own posts, do not need to get blasted on someone else's.

WRD I do have to agree with you. It seems like we gutted this roster to keep a specific core together. I am not a big Harris or Jones fan for what they brought to the table, but they were better than our backups at those positions, and if any injuries occured at their respective positions, young guys would have to step in. These young guys are not achieving like the young guys did last year (Jones and Harris). Like I said, most of your post was accurate in my perspective, I choose Rex, and you choose Brian. Fair enough.

Bculz, thanks for dropping in there, Which movie was that, remember the scene, not the movie.

WRD it was Mc Nabb, and I woulda gave a lot for a him, and paid him, didn't want cade at all. nor Couch, nor Smith good-lord just Mcnabb

Dude shut it up. When Warner and Plummer were free agents who here didn't want either one of them? They came ,they saw and they promptly left. We didn't even get into specifics with a guy who was a pro-bowler and a Super-bowl MVP. This is the same ownership that had a guy tell them "no thank" to a head coaching position. I wish I had mentioned it first that Angelo's former team won a Superbowl the year AFTER he left and with a QB that HE didn't sign(Thank You MS. Justice for that bit of info. Very damning). And Griese was signed by Angelo so if he sucks then blame that guy. If anyone on this team sucks Jerry is the guy who signed every last one of them. You proved my point again. And if you want to mention pro-bowls don't forget to mention that Rex hasn't made one either. Did Griese? Every guy on our O-line, but Garza has made a pro-bowl so why should that matter. Who is stinking up the joint right now. Which one of those pro-bowlers is looking the best blocking for Rex and Ced. Jones on his 3rd team. So what. His average is still better than Bensons. The Jets are worse than the BEARS so please do kill yourself. One word: DECAF. Get it soon. Why don't you just give us the facts man and stop jumping on someone for whatever reason.

Funny watching Ryan Leaf on the sidelines of the Oregon game...

I remember when people were saying...Leaf over Manning...

man....you just cant be too sure can you?

McKnown...or McNabb.....

Marijanivich or Ted Washington....

I mean....who really knows?

Oh..no problem 2BuckChuck....

It was "A FEW GOOD MEN"

Will...I think it...was...>Taxi Driver?

No?

Funny!