I just have a feeling that his time on the bench will help Grossman. He won't feel the pressure as much and I think he could put together a few good games. Who knows, maybe he'll lead the Bears to the playoffs and sign a new contract to stay here.
He played two of his better games last season against Seattle, and he's going to get another crack at the Seahawks on Sunday.
Will it matter with an offensive line that can't block and a running back who can't create anything on his own? Maybe not.
But Rex Grossman is getting another shot.
Strike up.... the music ...the band has begun.... The Pennsylvania Polka!
Sweet! Now we're one step closer to getting a high draft pick!
I hope its not a green jello shot.
Good. But I'm sure if he has another bad game with running backs who can't run, recieivers who can't catch, and an OLine that can't block anyone we'll get to read all about Bad Bad Rex
Go get 'em, Rex
Shame this isn't the Seattle team from last year...
a lotta bit more of a pass rush for Seattle this year....and that "better game" came against a very banged up Seattle team last year....
The NFC Championship was about Defense, TJ, and a circus catch by R. Davis on a terrible pass ....does Davis even line up anymore?
Seattle has a pass rush this year..healthy OLine..and healthy DB's
and we are a much different team without TJ, mind you....ie..nobody to back off the defense or protect the QB
that makes me happy, tho...
This will be the worst beat down of the year....I think I'll break out my Jim Zorn jersey for this one....go out front and rake my leaves during the game
What ever happend to thinking positively?
I dont know about anyone else, but after reading 170+ comments on Rex Grossman in the last 16hrs....I need a topic Change.....Maybe we can talk about Phil's "Brokeback Mountain" comment?? Did anyone hear that one??
Maybe Wrecks will wear high heels in stead of cleats so that he can see over the middle of the field. The Bears are done if they think that Turnoversarous Rex is going to provide the spark and "swagger" to go undefeated and return to the Superbowl.
Even if they do make the wild card (unlikely, but possible), they will get the crap kicked out of them in the first round. Whats the point?
Evaluate Orton and let him play to see if he is worth keeping. Who cares if they lose every game, they will end up with a higher pick to draft a better player or even trade down and pick up two or three that can help.
Wrecks is not a great QB, he's not even a decent one...if he was mobile and could buy time like Number 9 over in Dallas then he could get the ball downfield and be a threat, but he can't. He's too short to see the middle of the field with huge linemen blitzing up the middle and he still locks into a receiver before the snap (the mismatch that he sees). Why we would he be any better this time around?
Maybe he can change the locking in thing, but his height and lack of mobility are there to stay and nothing can change that...give it time and you will see...Wrecks lovers you have been warned!
This short, slow QB will break your hearts AGAIN!
I am glad we are starting him too. People need to see the future and its bleak. And keep the excuses coming because he is going to have a whole bunch of them. But the one excuse you will never hear from him is "its my fault". Guess I cant blame him, those checks are good! Now I DARE any one of you guys who were saying "Griese should lead us to the SB because he has the same team ", to put that YOKE on REX!!! Culzie can we hold you to that?
should be interesting.
Bears have no running game and the Seahawks have no running game. Sean Alexander has turned into Cedric Benson.
so I guess it comes down to Hasselbeck and Holmgren vs Rex and Turner, and who can pass protect better.
Who would you put your money on?
btw, is it me, or has Berrian's play and committment tanked since signing with Rosenhaus with an eye on next year's free agent money?
Kinda dumb. With payday approaching seems to me you'd make sure to work on your blocking and your incessant case of the dropsies.
(add this to my last comment please, I forgot to add it)
The lack of a running game however is one thing that can make the Bears defense look good.
Indy whaled on them by running. You need a running game against the Bears, if you go pure pass, someone like Mark Anderson might actually start making plays and someone like Archuleta won't have to be in coverage for too long of a time.
KLTSS lets stick to your..More Recent Claim...
You said "With Rex at QB you gaurentee he wont win a SINGLE GAME"
CAN WE HOLD YOU TO THAT?
WANT TO WAGER?
WOW!!!!!
Hey Culzie, do we have a good mechanic on board? I'm thinking that might be a good idea in case the Rexmobile breaks down. I mean, I could change a flat, but anything under the hood - well, I don't want to break a nail or anything. I'll bring the tunes (screw the polka - it's Nirvana and the 'Singles' soundtrack for the next 2,000 miles) and some jello shots. Or something green. You have tinted windows, right?
Anderson should've stayed on 3rd downs. He just gets that RUNDOWN feeling on 1st and 2nd downs. Bring back Alex Brown. (Where is that Mark Anderson is not a 1st and 2nd down player blog?)When McCoun ran for 30 yards Anderson broke containment and opened up that whole side to that play. And,Rex starting isn't the kiss of death and it isn't the coronation of a king. It's an opportunity to see which guy shows up and if he warrants a look down the line. If he stinks they can always say that Griese's shoulder is better and he's getting the next start.
at this point, I am not sure if he is capable of playing his best football. He will at least know going in that the Bears problems are not his fault. That should be a huge ease of mind for him. If that is at all possible.Now we get to listen to all the morons say "it's because of a contract year", if he performs well. it's a no-win situation for us supporters.
Roman I think you might be right. I certainly hope you are right, as I remain a Rex fan and will be pulling for him.
He's the first QB the Bears have had in 20 years with the proper tools and the college passing program pedigree. I just want him to get a fair shot.
Last year wasn't a fair shot. He was thrust into a situation in his "de facto" rookie year, where he was one of the weaker links on a playoff caliber team that lucked its way into the SuperBowl by virtue of being from a vastly inferior conference.
Then all the Kool-aid drinking fans blamed him for whatever loss and from even losing to a clearly superior AFC team in the SuperBowl.
The cycle returned this year.
Rex has his problems, but all I want is the kid to get a fair and honest chance to show what he's got without all the ridiculous pressure.
Seems to me Jay Cutler who has even better tools than Grossman and is under the tutelage of one of the brightest offensive minds in the game with a historically sound running game/line isn't exactly lighting up the league in his full 2nd year either.
We can't all be Tom Brady. Give the kid an honest full shot.
Yes, one can argue he was summarily and perhaps unjustly handed the job earlier, he probably would have lost an open competition to Griese in training camp last year.
But I also don't think the Bears passing game when "good Rex" played would have been anything close to that with Mr. Veteran dink-dunk.
that past is the past and let's allow bygones to be bygones.
The Bears need to see what they really have, without all the crap.
One thing I love about the Grossman saga is that it really puts to ridicule the ongoing claims of some black QB's in the league that somehow they are held to a higher standard.
Rex sounds like he has the right attitude. I hope he throws 5 tds and the Bears win!!!
I can already see all the EXCUSES from his little Fan Club. After he fumbles several snaps, throws a few INT's, gets sacked and has a QB rating of about 20, they will be saying "It's not his fault, it's everybody elses". I am sooo glad he is starting so we can start fresh next Season with a high Draft Pick!!
Roman responds: I may start a "THE FUMBLED SNAPS ARE KREUTZ'S FAULT" thread. Griese dropped one, too. I thikn it's Kreutz.
Good for Wrecks. Hope he plays well.
I was surprised to see him in the paper using the word, "algebra."
So, it may turn out that he can spell "cat" if you spot him the "c" and the "a." I think Bradshaw can master that word too, so the similarities between the two just keep coming.
Now if he can only stop locking on to his primary receiver from the moment the ball is hiked.
I know, wishful thinking, but that's what the Bears season has boiled down to. Wrecks as saviour. Who wudda thunk it?
Certainly not me.
And I don't think it is going to be realized.
Roman obviously you're a "the glass is half full" guy. Unfortunately the reality of the situation is Rex can have a flawless game (no fumbles, no INT's) but if they still fail to win (and without an effective running game that's likely to happen) what difference will it make?
Roman responds: Hang on, I have to get off the floor, that first sentence knocked me out of my seat.
And I agree with the rest, but for some reason, I just feel he's going to play well. They may not win, but he does have some talent, no one ever said he doesn't, and I think the pressure's off. It will be interesting.
Rex says he is going to go out and play like he is at recess. Finally an honest assessment of his skill level - a playground quarterback. Early first round pick - Here we come baby!!
Olin Kreutz has been a Bear for a decade and suddenly he's having trouble snapping the football? It cannot be entirely his fault. This only became an issue last year, but offensively there's enough blame to go around for everyone.
Is there a true Bear fan that doesn't hope you're right, Roman? We all wish for the best,no matter who plays quarterback, but as one who has thought all along that we should have stuck with Rex at least through a couple more division games, I'm particularly hopeful. I also have trouble understanding Marriotti's love affair with Griese. His article today was particularly odorous. His attack on Lovie was in very poor taste. Did he follow the Bears last year? I guess the short memories sports fans are criticized about also holds true for sports reporters.
Roman responds: I'm not hoping he does well, I just have a feeling he will. And everybody ripped Lovie for how they handled disseminating the news. It was embarrassing.
Sunday in Seattle....Rain...high of 49....excuse me....Thursday thru Sunday....Rain
This game just became worth watching...
I call 3 fumbles and 2 interceptions....Bears don't score....but because the weather was "unfair"....Rex is our QB...still
While the bald pansy, Matt Hasselhoff, throws for 4 TD's.....but he's "used" to the weather, right?
Rex has great touch on his deep ball (there, I said something nice)....but he can't see, he can't move, and if there's inclement weather, he can't grip the ball....and he fumbles...A lot
What makes any of you think?....Answer that question first and then we'll talk about rex
I hope you are right Roman.
I have to disagree with you about how the pressure is off. It might be a different stress than the I have to win the Superbowl pressure but the I sucked last time and I don't want to suck again pressure factor is very very high.
BEAR DOWN!
jack has no idea what he is talking about. Anyone who has abandoned the season already cannot call themselves a true fan. Fortunately the NFC is awful this year and we potentially can make it to the playoffs. Rex will do great, take us to the post season, get his extension and everyone will be a Rex fan again like they were at the beginning of last season when he was the MVP candidate everyone touted him to be.Just so all you haters know, if he does well and the Bears make it to the playoffs, you're not allowed to cheer or call yourself a "fan" ever again. Good luck finding a new team to root for. Im not a New York Yankees fan, i support my team.
Right now Matt Ryan of Boston college is looking pretty good. With Rex in at quarterback, the Bears may get a shot at him.
Rex is my homie but I never said he was perfect. I think his play will be above average this game. A lot of this game is going to rest on Berrian. Teams are going to be on him more now that we've got a QB who can hit him in stride.
I couldn't agree more. Rex had his first couple seasons taken away from him because of injury and was never able to mature at the position through game experience and in 2006 he was thrown into a mature, Super Bowl ready team that had zero margain for error at the QB position. You can't play QB with zero margain for error, you have to take shots, you have to take risks and you have to play with comfort. Rex was able to do that last year until the Arizona game and the results speak for themself. Now, with no Super Bowl aspirations, a bad O-line, no running game, a defense on the decline, Rex can take over and play his game....as he said, "like it's recess."
Man, I love all the people that keep blaming Rex for the fumbled snaps, the interceptions, and the sacks. But did these same people say the same stuff about Griese? Watching those two Lions games was pathetic. Interception after interception...he threw two of this three during the first game in Lions territory on first down. That shouldn't happen. But where were M&M, Seedy Backlash, and Hitman? You three must be protege's of Mariotti, spewing his same crap in this forum. Grossman probably will have another bad game in the near future, but with this O-line, set of receivers, and running back, I don't think many QBs would succeed unless their name is Manning. Also, what's with this love fest of Tony Romo? This guy wouldn't be this good if he were on another team. Put him on the Bears and watch him fumble and thrown interceptions.
Roman, why was the delay in announcing the starter "embarrassing?" Does it really matter so much to the media that they didn't announce the starter at noon? Who cares. You found out who the starter was after a couple of hours. Why does it matter so much?
Roman, why was the delay in announcing the starter "embarrassing?" Does it really matter so much to the media that they didn't announce the starter at noon? Who cares. You found out who the starter was after a couple of hours. Why does it matter so much?
Roman responds: It's no big deal at all, but it did seem to embarrass Griese. They didn't tell him the media knew and they didn't tell him it was ok to talk about it. So he lied and said he didn't know. It seemed unprofessional.
Hey Hitman,
What do you mean terrible pass to Davis in that Seattle playoff game? That seam route is a tough throw to make and tough catch... But what do you know. You must have been a punter.
Hey Hitman,
What do you mean terrible pass to Davis in that Seattle playoff game? That seam route is a tough throw to make and tough catch... But what do you know. You must have been a punter.
Culzie - let make it interesting! You stick to yours about Rex taking this team to the SB, and I will stick to mine about the BEARS NOT - winning another game with Rex at QB.
I think he is that bad - you think he is that good.
Now lets iron out terms.
Jack, your comment at 9:53 a.m. -- Hall of Fame assessment of Wrecks.
LOL!!!
Rain is our frenemy!
Oh please Brenda. It's because I'm a huge Bears fan that I want Griese to start. It's because I care about the Bears that I don't believe that Rex has the NFL skills(except for the deep ball.) to be a starting NFL qb and lead my team. I am not looking forwarded to the next few weeks of apologizing and "it's everyone else's fault" rhetoric. Maybe this time he will actually get it and help this team go on a winning streak and make the playoffs. But from what I saw on Sunday(still locks onto receivers, still can't move in the pocket, still has issues taking snap from center), it will be more Good Rex/Bad Rex.
BEARS
Draft picks are the brighter side of these recent developments. And yes I will be watching and hoping I am wrong about the Bears, but I doubt it. Bears need to start almost completely over. Only QB we keep is Orton and next season we see what he has once and for all. We need to draft and cultivate a star QB. Dump most of the O-line and dump Ced. I would sign Lance and get ready for the post Urlacher era.
Why does the bashing of Grossman have to continue. Why can't we be real Bears fans and hope he does well so they can get back to the playoffs. I swear to god, there is so many people that dislike him, that they are wishing for the Bears to lose so he can be out of there as the Quarterback. Is Griese that much better?? NO! Is Orton that much better, who knows? Maybe if the season is lost he will get a shot. I know one thing, I don't want the Bears to draft a quarterback, next year. I'm sick in tired of seeing the stat of how many quarterbacks the Bears have went through since Favre has been with the Packers. Root for Rex to do well, it would be nice for a change to see a quarterback hang around here for a while. Why don't we complain about the biggest dissapointments this year, the O-Line and Cedric Benson?????????
Rain Sunday? That terrifies me. Why do they put a retractable roof on the stadium in AZ but don't have one in Seattle? Weird. All I have to say is that I'm happy to have Rex under center. Griese is a legend for "the drive", but he lost twice to the Lions which sort of cancels that out. I hope we win the game. Just like it's "one game at a time" for the team, it's "one game at a time" for me. And you know what? If we lose then I'll root for a win the next week. The only certainty for me is that I'll be getting drunk and rowdy with all the other Bears fans down at the 710 Beach Club where it's always 68 and sunny. Win, lose, or draw. But dammit, I have to admit I'm praying our SuperBowl window isn't closed. Last season was too much fun to have to wait 20 more years for a repeat.
.......I thikn it's Kruetz. ????
Roman are sure it was my first sentence that knocked you out of your chair and not that half full glass?????
sorry but after seeing that spelling I just couldn't resist :) and wanted to get a shot in ahead of julie LOL
Are you freekin crazy. Grossman sucks. always has sucked. always will suck. I'm with bculz, nice high draft pick.
I wonder is Kruetz is just so excited at the start of the game, new quarterback or maybe a special series, that he loses concentration..... That seems to be the MO.
Everyone needs to breathe in and out S L O W L Y. Rex is the best we have and I am not worried about that position. Turner, please watch your play calling and receivers, your getting paid for EACH play, not just some of the plays, your not working at Walmart....
Roman responds: The word is he sets up lower to the ground than most, and if a quarterback is used to standing in a certain stance, he could be too high and miss the snap.
Give Rex a chance. What do the Bears have to lose, another game? I think anyone who has played sports knows that losing is not an option but rather an event that occurs becasue your opponent had a better game, gameplan, and maybe players. To say, "go ahead and lose in hopes of a better draft pick" is absurd! Let these men go out and perform and let "us" fans; watch the game; eat some food; forget about our jobs; and have water cooler discussions on monday morning. One more thing, will you guys stop referring to the Bears team as "we", last time I checked, "we" the fans were not in the meetings, tearing a ACL, spraining an AC joint and what not! Enjoy football for what it is...3 hours of leisure, not work!
Misplaced Bears in fan living in Romonation...ugh
Hey, seeing Grossman come in and throw that touchdown pass at Oakland was really sweet. I was so happy for him. Still, I don't think it was right what happened to Griese especially after what this guy did at Green Bay(only one loss and to us), Minnesota or Philly which were pure magic tricks. Not only that, since our running game is not functioning, Brian has pretty much been throwing the ball over X-amount of times for a team that "gets off the bus running". He's a special player. That being said, I wish no misfortune to Rex. Roman's right in noticing a difference, let's hope there is one. Go Bears!
Everyone in this thread wants the Bears to win. Yeah, we all have different ideas about who should be the QB, but that doesn't change the fact that we are all Bears fans. I live in Florida now and go to a Sports Bar every Sunday to watch the Bears. I take enough crap from non-Bears fans when they start doing badly. Why do we need to take it out on each other? As a Bears fan, I want them to win. I wanted Rex to do well at the start of the season. I wanted Griese to do well the past 4 games. Now I want Rex to do well again. If he sucks it up, then we all lose and the people who don't like Rex would be right. But if Rex does well and takes the Bears to the playoffs, is that going to be a bad thing?
I noticed the "thikn" misspell too, Tim, but it's more fun to point out Culzie's errors. Maybe I should start editing the editor though. We'll see.
Roman responds: Why don't you give Tim crap for misspelling Kreutz?
Hey Pete, this is for you. The love fest with Tony Romo is that he has developed into a star with a bright future in about the same time it took Wrecks to become the national punchline in the NFL. I think Wrecks and Griese suck, so why waste time with any of them...let Orton play and find out if he is a diamond in the rough that can develop into a great QB the way Romo did. Why is it so hard to understand that even if the Bears manage to crawl into the playoffs they are going to get the (bleep) knocked out of them. They cannot hang in there with the other playoff teams so why not put in Orton and evaluate him for next year?
Its a win win situation...if hes good then the Bears have a QB for next year...if hes bad then we get a high draft pick for next year. This season is over! Start preparing for next year so that the same dumbass mistakes are not made again. Wrecks and griese are not the answer and will not lead the teaminto the superbowl...they are just wasting time and giving false hope.
Are the rest of you that stupid?
Every sorry ass win means the draft pick gets worse and right now we could use that high pick to fix the obvious problems in the offense (trades for veterans and trading down for more picks)
is it that hard to understand? really? Do I need to dumb it down for you some more?
So when "Wrecks II: Throw long or die trying" crashs and burns, how much heat should be turned up under Lovie and Angelo?
I'm hoping a lot -- in particular Angelo, but the Lovie-ster shouldn't be spared.
Did I Miss something?
Why do you thing the pressure is off Grossman? I would think the dude has even more pressure on him to perform...
M & M
"Orton play"
He was the starter two years ago. We lost in the first round of the playoffs. By your standards, Orton sucks as well.
"Every sorry ass win means the draft pick gets worse and.."
And if we keep up with the sorry ass wins we might just get into the playoffs. That would be the worst of all, wouldn't it?
"Wrecks and griese are not the answer and will not lead the teaminto the superbowl"
He did last year.
"even if the Bears manage to crawl into the playoffs they are going to get the (bleep) knocked out of them."
It's called success. Success doesn't come overnight.
First, can we all agree that Orton is not the answer and that he is the least qualified of the three by a pretty wide margin? I'm tired of hearing people suggest that Orton should play for the rest of the season so we can see what he can do. The coaches are not playing him for a reason. As a reminder, during his 15 starts in 2005, he threw for 1,869 yards, 9 TDs, 13 INTs and had a rating of 59.7.
Yes, Rex's stats for the first three games this season aren't as good, but that was only three games against pretty good competition (Dallas, KC and San Diego). These are Orton's stats for an entire season. Last season, Rex threw for almost 3,200 yards, 23 TDs, 20 INTs and had a rating of 73.9. And an interesting comparison, Manning during his first season threw 26 TDs, 28 INTs and had a rating of 71.2. I'm not saying that Rex is Manning, but it shows that few QBs light it up their first season. It's called developing a franchise quarterback -- something that a lot of people in this blog seem to lack the patience to do. I prefer to not keep starting over.
It's smart to go with Rex for three reasons: (1) Griese has shown he's pretty much as turnover prone as Grossman, (2) Rex is younger and has room to develop as an NFL quarterback, and (3) Rex's long ball is much better, which should help the running by softening the defense. During the games that Griese started, it seemed that, in third and long situations, the Bears never really tried to get the first down. Instead, they just called a dump-off pass and hoped the receiver/back would run for it (which they rarely did). With Rex, they'll actually call a play for him to throw the ball past the first down marker. Rex has a lot of interceptions, but he's generally asked to make more difficult throws downfield. There's a difference between a 35-yard completion in the air, and an 8-yard reception followed by 27 YACs by the receiver. Maybe I'm wrong, but I just can't see any reason why starting Griese or Orton over Rex makes sense.
Yo Tim, and all the other spelling-challenged bloggers - the "e" comes before the "u" in Kreutz.
That was no fun at all. Tim's always nice to me. But I'm watching you now, Roman! Nothing gets by anymore. Ha! So there. All crap, all the time.
Didnt they do a spoof on ESPN about Kruetz unorthadox snapping style last year? With that Dancin with the stars guy? I swear they did....back when it wasnt so funny. How he moved his fingers alot....
Maybe he is too focused on being tricky..and forgot the most important part about being a center.
Just a thought!
I am not a native chicagoan but do love the Bears...can someone tell me why this team has greats like Butkus and Peyton and Urlacher but relatively shi!&!y quarterbacks?
Roman sez: "for some reason, I just feel he's going to play well. They may not win, but he does have some talent, no one ever said he doesn't, and I think the pressure's off."
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Au contraire'; the pressure is on.
It's no secret that word has spread throughout the league that Grossman is easily rattled, has "Happy Feet", panics, and can't hang on to the ball.
They'll be bringing everything but the kitchen sink into our backfield, and I'm sure Rex will put out the "Welcome" mat.
On second thought ... Rex will BE the "Welcome" mat.
Uh, M&M,
Romo is not a star. Last memory I have of Romo in a meaningful game is in the playoff game choking away a snap(and Rex has fuimbilitis). He signed a nice contract in the middle of the season, if that makes him a star, Marc Bulger is a star, Trent Green is a star, JaMarcus Russell is a star, Brady Quinn is a star, in fact, every first round qb(Leaf) is a star in your mind then.
Let the season play out, and let us see Romo take the 'Boys to the super bowl, before we start calling him an NFL star.
Yeah M & M, a high draft pick is going to save the Bears next year. Lets look at some of the QBs drafted high over the past couple of years.
- Byron Leftwich...yeah, we all know how that turned out. He lost his starting job in Jax and is now playing for the defunct Falcons.
- Kyle Boller...another QB before Grossman, but he's backing up a tired and old McNair.
- Alex Smith...gee, that's working out for the 49ers
- Aaron Rogers...Bret Favre is never going to retire
- Vince Young...another Maddenite cursed
- Matt Leinert...Too whiny, he's worried about old washed up Kurt Warner.
- Jay Cutler...How are the Broncos doing?
The only two QBs I didn't name were Carson Palmer and Jason Campbell. Palmer looks to be a good pick but the jury is still out for Campbell. So yeah, playing for a draft pick at this point is completely idiotic. The number of busts far out weigh the good. You're out of your mind if you want the Bears to get another high draft pick. And if you aren't talking about a QB...Cedric Benson anyone????
Oh M&M, I forgot one more thing...I'm glad I'm not on a team with you, willing to throw the rest of the season away for next year. I wouldn't want to play with someone like that.
I hope he have a great game that will show me he has Heart.
Meantime get Some people in here to run a decent offense instead of waiting for 4th quarter miracle every game...its wearing me out!!
"I just have a feeling that his time on the bench will help Grossman. He won't feel the pressure as much and I think he could put together a few good games. Who knows, maybe he'll lead the Bears to the playoffs and sign a new contract to stay here."
Gotta love the "But .. but ... THIS time ... it'll be different" excuse when referring to a QB who STILL can't handle the center snap, as evidenced by the FIVE games (and counting) in which Rex has managed to mishandle the exchange.
Can anyone step up and name me ANY other QB who has done that in more games in a four year career?
Enjoy your center-fumbling, duck-throwing, Angelo-backed, Rex Grossman gang. As for how this will end, take a look at how the inconsistent, over-hyped (voted to Pro Bowls/threw three INT's and fumbled in TWO separate AFC championship games) Kordel Stewart saga ended in Pittsburgh.
At least Steelers fans learned from their mistake and ran him out of town.
Don't say I didn't warn you.
I need to give the fans credit who realinze that this is not the same Seahawks team from last year and YES, we are a heck of alot healthier and HUNGRY for revenge. Sorry to infilitrate your board, but as a Hawk fan who lived in Chicago for the last three years and is not living in Fort Worth, TX I have earned the right to post on here. I also went to that playoff game last year and almost got into a fight with half of the fans that messed with me. Not cause they talked about the Hawks, but because they made it personal. Cmon guys, I remember walking out of there with my heart broken, but still telling Bears fans good game and ooh sooo close. Funny thing was, on that long walk back to the Metra station, people wanted to talk smack, but when I fought back they were a bunch of cowards. I cant wait for this Sunday and I truly believe it will be that much sweeter with Rex back in the saddle. Now you guys will see what would have happened if the game was in Seattle. Bears fans cant hold a candle to the 12th Man and you know that!!! Unless we were in a brat eating and per-game tailgating/drinking competition. You guys know how to drink...
And if he doesn't will the "absolute backers" think he got a fair shake? If this guy was getting sacked or pressured on just about every place and had no time to pass then I can say it's the O-line. Ced's inability to get yardage goes beyond the fact that the o-line is a year older. Plain and simple, we just didn't get better in the back-field overall with the subtraction of Jones. If you want to beat a dead horse that's the topic that needed discussing. Ced is killing this offense with his inability to be a complete back that keeps defenses honest. Rex's failure is completely a result of not having the best back that he can have. He didn't get worse over the year. His compliments got worse and therefore he's suffering for it. Did I want to see him get totally destroyed, physically and mentally, no. But if he had continued he would've been a bigger mess at this juncture. Will he play his best ball: I hope so. His failure to be a quaility QB wouldn't allow me to sleep better at night. I'm a BEARS fan. Tried and true. Not wanting a guy in who was getting his brains and confidence knocked out of him isn't being a Rex hater, it's being objective about the point I was seeing. Which is exactly what I was expressing all along. Where would he be mentally if our record was even worse, which it might have been with the way he was playing? Ruminate on that. GO BEARS!!!
To Mike, did you really say the win against Green Bay, and the come back against Philly was pure magic? Please, it was pathetic! We trailed every game Griese has started by at least 2 scores for almost the whole games. That is why we can't run the ball, people are pinning their ears back and coming after us when we are playing from behind. They don't respect Griese's arm to beat them deep. All the stupid dink and dunk passes make his completion pct. look great, but doesn't get us point on the board. The only time they could move the ball was in the two minute drill against the prevent defense. They left the middle open for Griese. He sucks. I look forward to having Rex back so we can actually run the ball and play with a lead for once.
Let me say this once and for all to all the IDIOTS calling for ORTON! ORTON sucks! There is a reason why he is the third string quarterback. You don't think they see him in practice? The coaches know. He will not even make the team next year! So stop it for the love of god! Also, the reason Rex became a national punch line is that the national news picked up on the way the local media was portraying Rex after the Arizona game last year. In contrast, Romo throws 5 picks, fumbles twice and nearly had two more picks on Monday night, yet nothing is said about him! You know why? Because the local media in Dallas support the kid! That is the reason he is a punch line. Our writers suck, they all want to be Marriotti, and they have turned the sports media in this town to nothing more that tabliod wannabe hacks!
Pete, loved your post. Calling those guys proteges of Marriotti was a great put-down. And I agree about the Romo love affair being decidedly premature. He may ultimately be a top flight quarterback but is not there yet. I don't know who is to blame for the Bears' decline on offense, but the pass protection,lack of a running game, and inability of receivers to get open are as much factors as quarterback play.
Romo 5 Ints vs. Buffalo, Peyton Manning 6 Ints vs. SD, Griese 4 Ints vs. Detriot, Orton 5 ints vs. Bengals. What the F is wrong with you people. If I hear one more person say that Rex almost threw and interception against the Raiders I am going to Benoit myself! Ints are part of the game people! You try to limit them but passing in general is a risk/reward activity. We the fans and the media are to blame for Rex's regression and failure to develop into an elite qb. He had so much damn pressure on him, he was afraid to throw the damn ball because every damn passed was being judged. I hope we never have a great quarterback in this town! We don't deserve it! Bears fans are too stupid, always calling for the sucky backup and never let a young talented kid develop. That is why we have suffered threw the likes or Shane Matthews, Kordel Stewart, Chris Chandler, Jonathan Quinn, Hutchinson, Burris, Griese, Miller, etc. You all make me embarrassed to be a Bears fan!
Please stop talking about Thomas Jones like he was an all-pro! He was on his third team for a reason and never, never, never made a probowl. He is averaging a very pathetic 3.8 yard per carry himself and has zero, count it, zero touchdowns. The problem is the offensive line, just like Kruetz said yesterday!
Rex is about to play his best ball - because he just received the Playstation 3 that Culzie sent him. And he better get used to playing it because he is going to have a lot of free time next year.
Joe B.
You should have your own sports talk radio show in Chicago, you would fit right in with the Mariottis and the Norths -- not necessarily in providing useful insight, but in raising the volume and the scream quotient.
Didn't go to the preseason camp, but certainly read all of the media reports about the dramatic improvement in Orton -- was in shape, had a better attitude, was allegedly impressing the football writers with his camp.
Funny, didn't hear the same thing about Wrecks.
I would love to see Orton play -- just to finally determine whether his rookie year was a fluke or that we may have a QB.
I don't trust the Lovie-ster -- and definitely not Angelo -- to tell me who is a good quarterback. All I know about Angelo is that Tampa Bay won a Super Bowl the year after he left -- with a QB Angelo didn't have on the team. Funny thing, isn't it? And Lovie, the only thing it appears that he wants from a QB is one that won't lose the game. He doesn't want a QB that can win games for him, which may be why Grossman -- a gunslinger -- struggles in the Bears' system and Orton was successful as a rookie.
If the Bears lose on Sunday, I say let Orton have a few games to see what's there. The other two QBs have combined for 11 TDs and 16 INTs. Can Orton truly do worse than that?
Seedy - Ok, here is what I don't understand, you say you want to see if Orton's rookie year was a fluke? What do you mean a fluke, to say fluke you make it sound like it was a good year? Here is the reality of his first year 51.6% completion, 1869 yards, 9 TDs, and 13 INTs! That is in 15 damn starts! 1869 yards passing in 15 starts. That is ridiculously bad, bad, bad! They averaged 11.8 pts per game with him as the starter. The is unbelievably terrible. It is no wonder they say he has improved, there is no way he could get worse! People kill me with these memories of Kyle Orton being so great as a rookie! He was awful. Also, to clarify, they were absolutely saying Rex looked great in training camp, if I am not mistaken, ever practice the writers gushed about how great the offense looks, how explosive and how they have caught up with the defense. Who do you think was running the first team practices when those impressions were made? IT WAS GROSSMAN!
Seedy says "If the Bears lose on Sunday, I say let Orton have a few games to see what's there. The other two QBs have combined for 11 TDs and 16 INTs. Can Orton truly do worse than that?"
Orton threw for 1869 yard in 15 starts - that is 124 yards per game. Yes I say, yes Orton can do considerably WORSE! To put it in perspective Griese threw for 1508 yard in 5 1/2 starts. ORTON SUCKS!
William, I kind of wonder why anyone would blame the Running game for grossy's debacle against NE last year? Bears, 153 yards, NE 85 yards?
Or the game @ Detroit for grossy's inablity to score. Chicago, 116 yards, Detroit, 67 yards. Of course, grossy has NEVER won a game IN Detroit without Griese's help either.
Then we have the GB game, IN Chicago. GB, 97 yards, Bears, 135 yards.
Joe, Sorry you missed the games. The Bears led thru the 3rd quarter by 10 points vs Detroit, right up until the Bears Defense and ST allowed a record 34 points in the 4th quarter. Griese plays Defense??? He only gave them 7 of those points, but put up 14 more, for a total of 20 points by the Offense alone, without Hester.
On the other hand, grossy with the better Running game managed only 3 points in the first quarter against SD, all game long?
So now we get to the GB game. The Bears only trailed by 10 point at their worst in the 2nd quarter. By the end of the 3rd they only trailed by 3. All 27 points in that game came from the Offense.
So let's see how grossy has fared @ a MUCH weaker GB team in his career. 2006, 19 points total. 2005, 12 Points, total. 2004, 14 points, total.
Then we have the KC game. The Bear's offense scored one whole FG in the 1st half. 13 points altogether for the game. Wow! That grossy sure is a scoring machine.... That makes 6 whole points grossy has led the team to in the first half of TWO games.
But look how badly Griese did vs the Vikings??? Thanks to Hester and a 2nd quarter TD from Griese, the Bears were only behind by ONE TD at the end of the 3rd quarter, and the Offense put up two more TDs in the 4th quarter for a total of 24 points by the Offense. Just 2 less points than grossy managed in all 3 of his games. 67 rushing yards by the Bears to 224 by the Vikings
sealed the fate of the Bears. AGAIN, Griese doesn't play Defense.
So how has grossy fared against a Vikings team that didn't include Adrian Peterson??? 2004, 22 to 27 loss. Chicago 146 Rushing yards to the Vikings 93. 2005, didn't play them. 2006, 1st game, 19 points, 3 in the first half. Bears Rushed for 51 yards to Vikings 97. Bears won, but their Offense only put up 9 points the entire game. A little less than the Viking's 13....
So, how about that Dallas game?? Well, again, the Bear's offense scores a FG in the 1st half. You gotta wonder why all the hoopla about them not scoring TDs in the 1st half with Brian Griese???? When was the last time they did? Other than the 2nd quarter of the Vikings game???
Now we get to the downfall of Brian Griese. Go back and watch the Eagles game again. Too bad Angelo and the rest of the Keystone Kops couldn't do away with the tape of the Eagles game, because at the only time Griese would have had the 'time' to do so on that last Drive, he is making it clear to the powers that be, that he does NOT understand the call. No lip reading here. He then goes to the sideline for the final play, just like he said originally, before it became apparent to the rest of the civilized world that Turner, Pep and Smith had been outplayed, and they demanded he make up the lie....
In the meantime, the Bears never trailed by more than a TD in this game either Joe, so your contention that they triailed by 2 TDs in every game Griese started is a falsehood, to put it mildly.
To Rebecka,
First of all, show me where I have ever said they were trailing by 2 touchdowns with Griese playing? I believe what I said was they are consistantly playing behind by two scores!! That doesn't surprise me that you would miss the real facts though. Grossman was 5-1 versus the NFC Central last year, in contrast Griese is 1-3 versus our division this year. What the hell do you mean Grossman needed Griese to beat Detroit last year? What planet are you on? Grossman and the Bears pummeled them in the first meeting, and then won a tough game against a hot Lion team at the end of the year last year. Griese never relieve Grossman in a game last year unless the Bears were blowing the other team out. This in fact happened more times last year than any year I can remember since 1985. Grossman won two playoff games and took the team to the Superbowl. Griese has never even played in a playoff game. That includes when he took over the two time championship Broncos. He ran them into the ground. He is a scum bag and a cancer. Haven't you ever read the story about when he was with the Broncos? They had a team dinner at the end of the year and the closest teammate to sit by him was 6 seats away. Look at what he has done already in his short time here. He was the one who leaked that he had taken half the snaps before the STL game to ESPN in the pre-game interview. He has claimed that he called all the plays on the Eagle drive (not true) and had to apologize. He has called out Bradley for missing a hand signal (never mind that he threw the pass anyway into triple coverage, behind him, and late for that matter), and now claims that he didn't know Grossman was starting, even though he and Rex were told prior to practice. I also believe in my heart that he faked that injury last week. Grossman took 40% of the snaps last week and Griese was going to be pulled for Rex at halftime anyway. If you notice, when he first goes down he is holding his leg, then decides no - it is my shoulder. He has got all you fools duped. He is cancel, I believe Roman can even attest to the stories of his exploits from prior teams.
Oh and Rebecka,
If Charles Tillman doesn't strip the ball twice from the Packer WR we would have been down by at least 3 touchdowns. We would never have even been in the game if it wasn't for 5 turnovers by the Packers. Face it - Griese SUCKS!
Joe B.
Are you in a FF league? Did you pick Orton for your team and he ended up burning you throughout his rookie year?
Come on, someone who understands the game of football as well as you would know that the only numbers that count are wins and losses.
Orton had to learn how to be an NFL QB on the fly and in his rookie year. Based on the wins, he didn't do that bad. Grossman, with the job handed to him, with the full support of the coaches, the team, etc., etc., played himself out of the starter's job. And that was last season (at least by the end of the season, he shouldn't have been starting -- in fact, for the last game of the season, he wasn't starting, I think he was planning a party). He played himself out of the starter's job again this season.
I know Grossman has a winning record as a Bear, but so does Orton. Isn't it time -- again, following a Bears loss this Sunday -- to at least give Orton an opportunity?
Seedy,
So let me get this straight, winning is the only stat that counts? Ok - help me with the math here. Orton goes 10-5 (Grossman started and beat the Packers) as a starter in his first full season playing. Grossman goes 13-3 as a starter in his first full season playing! What am I missing here? Please help me with the Math, oh and I forgot those other two little playoff games he won to get us to the Superbowl.
Second point, if the Bears lose this week they still have a chance to go 10 - 6. God, I am glad you are not part of my family, you would pull the friggin life support plug the first signs of the flu.
Oh and for the comment about Rex party planning, I assume you are talking about the Packer game on New Year's eve last year. What you fail to mention is that Griese played the second half and promptly tossed two interceptions of his own! Was he going to the same party?
RJ, time to find a new guy to obsess on....Griese is HISTORY!!!
Have you seen that Kenny Lofton commercial...where his stuff keeps getting shipped all over the world....well..they should make a new one with Brian Griese!!
Joe B (or should we call you "Rapid Fire?")
Yes, we could go 10-6, just not with Grossman at QB.
Btw, I'm not a Griese backer. So the fact he came into the Packers game and threw picks is of little consequence to me.
Re the flu, the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few or the one, so if your family did have the flu, particularly the asian bird strain, yes, I would quaratine your house.
Have a happy weekend.
I apologize Pete, You are not the dumbest person in here, Chuck took that honor away from you, but you are still in second place and could move up with your next comment.
So Chuck, Romo is not a star because he hasnt been to the Superbowl...get your head out of your ass and watch other games once in a while so that you are not an idiot when talking football. You must be the only dumbass in here that wouldnt trade Wrecks, Griese, orton and Benson for Romo. Think before you write!
you will all see Wrecks will be his usual self and prove once again that he is not an NFL caliber QB. Play Orton and evaluate him on the field in a real game. You dont have to pick high in the draft, you could trade down and have more late first and second round picks - many changes are needed (especially on the o-line)
I AM SUPPOSED TO TRUST THAT THE COACHING STAFF IS SMART ENOUGH TO RECOGNIZE TALENT AND PLAY THE BEST PLAYERS? ARE YOU SERIOUS?
P.S. Hey Roman, A friend of mine told me that Romo actually tried to join the Bears and a few other teams before he wound up in Dallas. Is this true? If it is...then it proves that the coaches are idiots and playing Wrecks again only backs that up.
Seedy I cant believe...you actually read JoeB's post in its entirerity....
Joe B and RJ.......are we really hashing over old games from last year throw by thow?
Ugg....this is when I am reminded that FF and Sports blogs are best suited for math geniuses and people with photographic memories...
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOP...>NERD ALERT.........WOOOOOOOOOOOP.....NERD ALERT!
Seattle 70, Grossman 6 turnovers.
Can you say 4-12?
How 'bout selling the franchise to Dubuque so that you 'fans' don't have to endure your crappy Bears any longer?
Does it matter? Put Tom Brady in the offense and he'll suck too. There's a reason why Rex has been so widely inconsistant, and his name is Ron Turner. You don't go from all-world last September to not even starting this year without a reason. All you na sayers will regret that choice come next year when Rex is in a NFL offense somewhere else and having success. If it was me and I had a talent (Devin Hester) that could propel myself to a head coaching job, I would work with him until I was blue in the face. Not Ron Turner.
Joe, you must be the guy who started the idea of Historical Revision...
When Griese went into the last game in Detroit in 2006, the Bears were behind.
Then you said, " We trailed every game Griese has started by at least 2 scores for almost the whole games." WHAT PLANET are you on? I proved that was a lie, but if you had been on this planet, you would have know better than to lie about it.
Funny thing is, that unpopular Griese you talk about, was voted Captain of his team every year after the first year he started in Denver. The amazing grossy can't say that. McCaffrey, Smith and Sharpe all went against Shanahan and stated they would rather have Griese at QB than Beurlein. With very good reason.
Wow, Griese threw 2 Interceptions in the New Years Eve GB game in Chicago? Remember that was the game where grossy made MORE COMPLETIONS to the Defense than to his own Teammates? 2 of 13 for 37 yards, and 3 Interceptions, in a whole half of football won't win many games. At least Griese's 75 yard, (45 yards through the air) TD kept the Bears from being shut out at home. Not to menttion that at that time, Griese wasn't getting reps with the 1st team, and hadn't played a half of football in 2 years. But we are supposed to take into consideration that grossy has been out for 5 games?????
You must be thinking that this is a fantasy Blog. grossy did NOT win 13 games last year. The team won despite him.
You can spin Griese's Press Conferences any way you like. Most members of Planet Earth are aware that Turner and Pep were incensed that Griese called better plays than they could. Watch the game again and the only time he would have had time to 'read Pep's lips,' his body language is clearly stating that he can't hear him.
Of course if you knew anything about Griese other than 'your old wives tales', you would know that he had done this before. Trouble was, the other times, his Coaches weren't as insecure as Turner and Pep, so they gave Griese his well-earned credit.
You tell us about all these QBs that threw multiple Interceptions? You are comparing them to grossy's incompetence? Please! Check out HOW OFTEN those other QBs, including Griese, attempted the pass... Or how often they didn't have even ONE TD to go with the multiple Interceptions. Time, after time, after time, after time, ad nauseum.
Out of 7 games of 3 and 4 Interceptions, grossy has only two where he got ONE TD. That is 7 out of his last 17 games.
grossy's 2.8 rating for 31+ attempts says it all. 2.8 That is TWO POINT EIGHT.
Joe B wrote..."God, I am glad you are not part of my family, you would pull the friggin life support plug the first signs of the flu."
Life support system.....hooked up to you....when you only have the flu....and your physicians name?.....Dr rex grossman?...hmmmmm
ok man, you love rex and orton sucks....and the way you backed up your arguments....awesome bro
Joe B.... you are a madman. When you stole that cow, and your friend tried to make it with the cow. I want to party with you, cowboy...
And now I know why I have always lost women to guys like you. I mean, it's not just your blogging. It's the stories that you tell. So much fun and imagination.
Joe B is gung-ho for Grossman! I am crackin upppp! Joe and Culzie have given me extra incentive to watch this Sunday. Rebecca there is no use in going back and forth with them. These guys think Grossman is the best QB in the league. I bet you they could make a great argument about how his arm is chisled just as much as Brady's and Peyton's. And how if you put Grossman on those teams - they just go undefeated. They are just gonna go on and on and on until GROSSMAN actually shows them how wrong they are! We have to wait and see it on Sunday.
Last chance texaco, Rex is playing for his next contract and so is Berrian, so they should be able to put together a few completions. Main reason to play Rex now is Angelo must be sweating having to draft QB high in first round and then go to Owners to pay another huge signing bonus. After Benson's millions Angelo's bosses may not want to pay for another mistake. So if they can get a few wins out of Rex, they can just sign him cheap for 3 or 4 years and not have to risk drafting and paying a real franchise qb.
Hey Anonymous, or should I say M&M (more and more of Romo's nuts?) don't care who you are.
Romo couldn't beat the Seahawks last year, you are a dumbass, and Romo will not take the Cowboys to the SB this year. He is not CLUTCH, because you are grabbing HIS(let his d--- go). The only thing going for that team offensively is TO. Ask Culpepper, he was once considered a star player too. Once he lost Moss, he lost his Pro Bowl ability, and curiously his accuracy. Put Romo on the Bears and he looks like a piece of s---. Like your post. You are probably the a------ that traded your first and seconds for two drafts for Herschel Walker, you seem that dumb. Didn't say Romo could not be a star, idiot. What I said was that he is not a star now, and only if he can lead his team to the Super Bowl(more than once), or win a few Super Bowls, then he actually could be a star.
That is how football used to be played, you either lead your team to the ultimate victory, or you are the best at your position. Romo is NOT the best QB in the NFL, so his only other way is to win multiple Superl Bowls.
Did you notice on Rebecka's posts,
all of the losses are attributed to the coaches, the defense, the dropsies, or something other than the truth? The truth is he is an average NFL quarterback(nothing wrong with that), but the problem is...all of his losses are blamed on someone else, much like the Bradley interceptions, the line play, Ced with a bad running average, receivers dropping balls.
In Denver, the coach not putting in Davis, receivers having the dropsies too, just all kinds of crap that deflects the blame from him. Be a man Brian(Rebecka), accept the fact that you make mistakes, and maybe just maybe, you would see the truth. You went 2-3 in your 5 game audition, and few are crying about you getting benched. In fact, Orton has more support here than you do.
Roman responds: Chuck, I can see email addresses and Brian is not using the name Rebecka. You may have missed it, but Rebecka is a 73-year-old sports fan, so let's be respectful to her. Thanks.
Keith, your blind defense of WRD these last couple months has caused you to catch a case of the "extremes" as in...extreme exaggeration. Dude...nobody is saying he is the best in the league, and dont put me in a catagory...with.....well......anyone actually...ever again..thank you!
I expect better from you, you usually were one of the more level headed thinkers in here...yes i said THINKER....now..im starting to think im not so sure!?
Uh, M&M,
Romo is not a star. Last memory I have of Romo in a meaningful game is in the playoff game choking away a snap(and Rex has fuimbilitis). He signed a nice contract in the middle of the season, if that makes him a star, Marc Bulger is a star, Trent Green is a star, JaMarcus Russell is a star, Brady Quinn is a star, in fact, every first round qb(Leaf) is a star in your mind then.
Let the season play out, and let us see Romo take the 'Boys to the super bowl, before we start calling him an NFL star.
Posted by: chuck | November 15, 2007 08:25 PM
You dumbass, watch more than the Cowboys, and you will see who the top 2 NFL Qb's are, and they are the only quarterbacks who deserve to be called a star at QB.
Joe B nimble
Joe B quick
Joe B dumber than a candlestick
Joe B clueless
Joe B Dumb
Joe B impacted up Grossman's bum
I have an idea that might make both the Griese and Grossman backers happy. Grossman starts because he has a stronger arm and can make most throws. Griese is than promoted to Off. Cord. since he can call plays that actually work. Does that work for everyone??
With all due respect, Roman, Chuck is not the only one who deserves to be reprimanded and for that matter, Rebecka is not the only poster who deserves respect. Paul's "Joe B" poem is so rude! There are other ways to make your point besides calling someone else "dumber than a candlestick."
Roman responds: I know, but respect your elders.
Fine Roman, but the post is for Griese and it still stands, he needs to man up, that anonymous just pissed me off, that's all....sorry.
Come on BCulz. Why is Keith showing devotion to me because he's not a Rex backer? That guy has been singing longer and harder than Barry White about not liking Rex and Ced all year. Face it: you hate that Joe B. is the new sheriff in town who is garnering all that attention. You want some of me? You want some of me? Just kidding. That's my movie quote for the day. Keith is not devoted to me and didn't even bring my name up. You guys are on exact opposite sides of the coin when it cames to Ced and Rex and really I don't have a thing to do with that. GO BEARS!!!
WRD at least you admit that at one point i was sherrif....i can rest a little easier now.
Think of me kinda like the Cleavon Little of Blogrowskiville!
you can be my Waco Kid?...hows that?
and Keith can be Mongo!
Roman, Thanks for the defense but I just consider the source.
Paul, Now that was funny. I'm pretty old so it took a couple of seconds to catch on to the last line. Probably helped that I was a Nurse Aide many, many, long years ago. ;)
BUM?...Paul are you from Austin Powersville?