I'm trying not to overreact to Rex Grossman's performance Monday. It's only the preseason, after all. I'm trying, but ....
Why can't he handle a snap? It's got to be his nerves. He seems to be at his worst during nationally televised games.
I think it's just a lack of poise and confidence. He may walk and talk like he's confident, but when a guy can't take a snap, it says a lot.
And if anybody blames Olin Kreutz, tell me why Griese doesn't have that problem. Please.
He is being interviewed right now...."1st Fumble...was Cadence,second one was sweat spot on his hand and its just a coincidence that it happened against the Colts again.
Wants to only throw 10 INT's this year.
Start of new season. Chargers opener is the first test, not pre-season"
Its Kreutz, he snaps harder for Rex on purpose to sandbag him.
Kreutz isn't in the game when Griese plays. Don't overreact.
I missed the game because I tuned in to ESPNHD and was treated to a talk show instead. They were more concerned with their prescheduled interviews and the Vick non-story. I hope the writers here call them out for failing to show the game. I couldn't see who was in the game or what was happening. Too bad ESPN is trying to be CNN instead of a sports station.
Roman responds: Ok, it wasn't Kreutz who snapped it to Griese. It was some scrub center who hasn't gone to six Pro Bowls.
Thanks for coming back. Good news is: it was on espn, so not too many people saw it. There will always be the factory workers bashing him,especially when their baseball season was over in February, however,the fact of the matter is, the interception was yet a result of another failure to execute by a receiver. More importantly, as a center, never once in my 23 years of playing did a quarterback ever accept the blame for a miffed exchange. Why should that change now???
The biggest atrocity however, was Espn's insistence that they are somehow the experts on political issues just because an athlete(Michael Vick) was involved in one. Why not just have Rush Limbaugh call the game if they want to express short sided 'white' views???? That is what really ruined the game-NOT Rex's accurate (9 for 11),performance. The 20 minute interview with Peyton Manning didn't help either. He's a good guy, but he is just not man-crush material.
Its Kreutz, he snaps harder for Rex on purpose to sandbag him.
REX COULDN'T CARRY PEYTON'S SHOES.
So, are we done with the Rexperiment yet? Nope...the beat down Sept 9th should be enough, though...but it won't be....I just explained to my wife why RexandCed are starting....lol, she said, oh, the sh** rolls down hill thing...Lovie's just middle management and the yes guy.......I love that woman..she got it on the first try..and she's hot
I'm watching Orton getting sacked in the 4th while he was about to throw...of course, Orton held onto the ball and took the hit....but I'm thinking, that would have been another fumble for Rex...Maybe if Rex's balls drop, he'll quit droppin balls...Kyle has pubes now, though....and that's when I would like to win, thank you very much
And did you see the difference in AP's and Cedric's running styles? One has vision and good feet...the other...well, that was Cedric
You will all know the words to "Without RexandCed" before this year is over....I give you my JoeNamath on that one
We're not beating Philly or Dallas in the NFC, gentlemen....
Kieth sez: "Mark don't back down. Rex is going to make them all throw up. And he won't even have a decent excuse. He will smugly shrug it off. And Benson is worse than Rex. And that is the scarrier position because we don't even have a proven back if he gets hurt."
I won't have to back down as long as Rex keeps falling down, and making my point.
The boy's as slow as snail poop, moves around in the pocket like a three toed sloth, and has hands the size of a Geisha girl's.
He isn't physically affraid to take a hit, and I'll never go so far as to call him a chicken, but's he's scared as Hell of making mistakes, and is easily rattled. At NFL speed, the game just plays too fast for him. Using my old record turntable as a metaphor, Rex is a 33 LP, while the rest of the field is playing at 78 RPM.
I'm so tired of Grossman that I'm at a loss 4 words.
It's because he STINKS!!!! When are the Bears going too WAKE UP and realize he is probably the WORST starting QB in the NFL!!
When he dove in for the TD the ball even came loose. Watch the replay.
I loved the "sweat spot" comment when Michele Tafoya was interviewing him. That was the problem - sweat? Oy. Cadence problems, ok - go work on it - more. But sweat? Get a hand towel, dude cuz that excuse ain't gonna fly with too many people. I think he has small hands. And you guys know what small hands means, right. Or is it feet? I can't remember. In any case, Michele was lauding (yes, pts for myself) the fact that Rex never backs away from an interview. Well, congratulations Rex. Inept, but not afraid of face time. But he's our guy!!!!!! Woo-hoo!!!! What kills me though is that when he's good - he's actually very good. I still say this is a mental issue with him, and he should find himself a good sports psychologist. And a new eyebrow waxer, but I digress........
Rex is the epitome of inconsistency. What confuses me most is his tireless use of excuses. I just wish he'd quit being a ?u$$y and admit he needs to hone this particular aspect of his game. I'm beginning to think it may be a better idea for a team as talented as the Bears to utilize a solid quarterback that will not take the team two steps back on a given day and be a strong enough link to let the other 53 guys help win the game. Sorry Rex, a forced interception is one thing but a basic shortfall is unacceptable in our quest for supremacy in the M.F.L. (MENS FOOTBALL LEAGUE).
Roman responds: Ok guys, no more symbols for profanity. I'm going to have to delete comments like this from now on. Thanks.
Mark I couldn't have said it better myself! LOL!!! But I am so glad we all saw it again - the BEARS gift rapped that superbowl with a little card from Grossman. Running game is still suspect.
Thoughts on the 2nd preseason game:
- To borrow a phrase, Rex is who we thought he was....bad fundamentals, bad concentration, bad reactions to pressure, etc.
- Special teams MUCH better in all four phases
- Backup offensive line still bad
- Running game (and/or Cedric) still bad
- Griese and Petersen still good - they should both start next week.
If you want to know why Peyton manning is wearing a ring and Rex is not, watch what each of them did after they were done playing. Rex ran over and put his hat on and joked with people for the next 2 1/2 quarters. Peyton kept his earphone in and payed attention to the rest of the game - always trying to learn something. Rex thinks he knows it all and the critics don't know what they are talking about.
In Rex Grossman's defense, the first fumble was a result of Fred Miller getting tossed around like a rag doll. But, the interception was plain 'Rexa-vu'; throwing into tight coverage and not looking for a 'check-down'.
On the second fumble after the defensive hold, Olin Kreutz had a 'brain cramp' and snapped the ball late. (Refs should have called a false start as John St. Clair and Roberto Garza moved before the snap).
The third fumble was more 'Rexa-vu'; as he had bad hand placement under Kreutz' 'bum' and then pulled his hands apart. Maybe, Pepe Hamilton should have him chew gum and walk, then go from there.
But, The biggest surprise of the night was how effective the screen play was on two plays in a pre-season game. It was 'a sight for sore eyes' to see the lineman spin around and get the defensive player trailing the play, instead of running around 'stalk blocking'. Plus, the way the Bears quarterbacks patiently waited for the back to get open.
It's preseason, who cares. ESPN Monday Night Football sucks anyway. I love Tirico, but with a credible football partnership in the booth. I turned it off after a few minutes. Too much Michael Vick opinion. All I want to hear are the facts about the game, not some clown's opinion.
Roman responds: I like Kornheiser, too, but I don't like Jaws. Wish they still had Theismann.
Roman responds: I like Kornheiser, too, but I don't like Jaws. Wish they still had Theismann.
Posted by: ernest frazier | August 21, 2007 08:58 AM
I don't like Jaws either. I've been a Kornheiser fan since his radio days. I think he brings something to the table every telecast. Joe Theissman at least had a thought even when it was contrary to the popular opinion at the worldwide leader.
"The biggest atrocity however, was Espn's insistence that they are somehow the experts on political issues just because an athlete(Michael Vick) was involved in one. Why not just have Rush Limbaugh call the game if they want to express short sided 'white' views????"
Really, 'Short sided "white" views"? Can only someone with "street cred" be qualified to comment on this? Perhaps they should have staged a point/counter-point with Stuart Scott arguing why dog fighting and illegal gambling are no big deal because they are accepted activities of thug life. Or maybe Clinton Portis could have qualified Vick's actions with the valid defense "it's his property, it's his dog". Gotta make sure we don't short change Vick . . .
get off rex back he stil threw the ball very well i like the way he got out of the pocket and threw a bullit for a completion he did make a mistake on the int but i think he looks better and will be ready to prove you negative bears fan wrong best of luck grossman im on your side DAN GO BEARS
get off rex back he stil threw the ball very well i like the way he got out of the pocket and threw a bullit for a completion he did make a mistake on the int but i think he looks better and will be ready to prove you negative bears fan wrong best of luck grossman im on your side DAN GO BEARS
Repeat after me and 5 seasons in the NFL: Rex is NOT an NFL quarterback.
Rex does does not have a problem. He is the same incompetent quarterback the Bears drafted 5 years ago. Lovie Smith has the PROBLEM. Why is he sticking with excuse making qb? I just don't get it.
Poor Rex! He's just not a natural quarterback. He can't read the field, can't improvise, and is a nervous wreck on the field. Like great jazz musicians, great quarterbacks are born with the ability to play. It's an intangible talent that can't be taught.
Just ask Michael Jordan about playing basketball vs.baseball. Rex ain't got it. Move on.
Yeah, those ESPN guys were dull and repetitious. More focus on the game and fewer of their lopsided opinions would have helped, but they would still have been dull. As a Rex fan ( I almost said "supporter" but figured that would open up too many opportunities for banality for the Rex nay-sayers ) I was not horribly pleased last night, and Griese really did look great when he first got in. Orton had his problems too, and looked like the old Orton who stood around waiting to be tackled.But Hey! They beat the Super Bowl champs this time,even though it's probably good that they didn't try to move the ball at the end of the game. I still like Rex and hope he has a great game against San Francisco.
Don't give up on us Rexy
Don't make the wrong throw, seem right.
You know he isn’t your receiver.
It's written in the playbook
And conveniently painted on their helmets
You can't make that throw, tonight.
Don't give up on us Rexy
We both know you can throw, so far.
I know you just bought a local bar.
The Super Bowl was just a rainy evening
And maybe quarterback stars are few
So don't give up on us, Rexy I know
You can still throw ‘oooohs’.
You really lost your head last night
The fans have a right to stop believing
There's still a little sympathetic Lovie left even so
Don't give up on us Rexy
Even Orton could get us this far
Can't we stay the way we are
The gunner and the offensive schemer.
Who sometimes plays it cool
Don't give up on us, Rexy, I know
You can still throw, ‘oooohs’
It's written in the playbook
And painted on their helmets.
You can’t throw to that dude.
Don't give up on us Rexy
You’re still Lovie’s guy,
He really wants to give you one more try
The Super Bowl was just a rainy evening
And Peyton Mannings are few
Don't give up on us , Rexy, I know
You can still throw, ‘oooohs’
Don't give up on us Rexy
Don't give up on us Rexy...
Sorry about the language, won't happen again. I'm just so frustrated at his insistence to not look in the mirror, and my own competitive nature, coupled with the staffs blindness to his MAJOR shortcomings, got the best of me. However, I do see a yellow stripe appear here and there on this mans' back and that has to change. To his credit though, that first fumble was not his fault. Did you see that block on the play by Benson. Me neither. Cedric, what the heck kind of feeble attempt was that?!?
Kornheiser is the worst. He is so obnoxious and loud. I think Tiricio is good and Jaws is only ok. Its so boring to listen to annoucers 'service' Manning for 3 hours straight.
Oh, and grossman is terrible. You'd think he'd have learned to handle a snap by now.
Kruetz has had an exchange problem from day one in the NFL. Does anyone remember every other Bears QB having the same problem? In case you don't, they did. Kruetz's ass is lower than all other centers in the league which makes the QB have to get lower and not see over the line. If Kruetz snaps the ball vertically there is a strong chance that the QB will fumble the ball. Did you hear Kruetz argue about not exchanging the ball correctly? No. Because he knows he screwed up.
The Bears will be fine. IT'S PRESEASON!!!
Roman responds: I don't remember it, but I guess Jim Miller had some problems, too. But not like this. This is unbelievable. Preseason? Yeah, don't you remember the regular season from last year? Super Bowl? Two snaps fumbled? As far as Kreutz taking the blame, he's a captain and would take the blame no matter what.
What happened to Lovie saying that they were going to use the shotgun more often? I thought they were setting that up so that Grossman can get a better handle on the play? If they are going to run the shotgun, you gotta give Orton an opportunity because he was great in the shotgun at Purdue. He just might suprise you, too bad Lovie won't allow it.
I can't Defend Rex. I dont really trust BG or KO either though.
Cedric, however, looked good to me. Not sure what everyone else was watching, but I saw him smash through lines, and get big gainers, and fall for 2-3 yeard Min. TJ wouldnt have gotten that 3rd and 1. No way!
I really am at a loss for words for Rex though....I spit out a bit of koolaid through my nose last night on his third fumble. I have to be honest.
OK my BEAR-A-HOLICS , it's time for us to bombard Ted Phillips with letters . Who pays the player salaries...coaches , GM ,maybe the President and CEO , NO , it's US and WE don't want this Doug Flutie ( without the talent ) want to be at the controls of a potentially deadly offense . I really don't care how much time and money was wasted on this guy but , that's enough ! When a player screws up on the field I don't want that player wearing a smirk coming off the field , I'd go Bobby Knight on his ass ! It's time to see more Orton , let's see if he learns anything practicing and demote Rex the wonder dog , who knows , maybe that's just what he needs .
Poor Hex, he's history. Brian's the man now, but only if Lovie is tired of carrying Rex's water.
Not only did he fumble and throw the pick, his other numbers were horrid. Minus the one long 25+ yard completion, he averaged only 3.2 yards per completion. All he could connect on were cheap instant sideline dump-offs to his outlet receiver, and even many of those were pretty ugly plays as he hardly even looked at his primary guy. He was clearly stat padding his completion %.
I don't think even most of the skeptics are being realistic about just how poor of a QB Grossman really is.
The depth chart should be Griese-Orton-Grossman. It doesn't matter how good (see: generally lucky) Grossman can be once in a blue moon. His inconsistency clearly makes him unacceptable as an NFL QB. Say what you will about Orton, but at least he has some ability to manage a game. Grossman's only redeeming quality is a strong arm. That won't get you far. Ask Jeff George.
Stop pretending anything is "wrong" with Grossman. This is who he is. This IS normal for him. Admit the obvious: he simply lacks the talent. The sooner the Bears accept it the sooner they can move on and win a championship. Last year was in spite of Grossman.
How people equate his presence on the team to "taking them to the Super Bowl" last year is a horrible joke. Hey, the water boy was there as well. Quick, let's make him and the towel boy team captains.
You're not overreacting, Roman--this is unacceptable. You're right, it's only preseason-there's nothing on the line for Rex to throw away, and he's still fumbling and throwing the ball to the other team. Looking at Rex on the sideline, laughing and joking after an outing like that, you know he knows the score--his job is secure no matter what he does.
I'm actually going to go with BBB on this one and say that's just plain bad coaching, even more so than letting Orton languish on the bench. Hutch got the axe after one bad preseason outing; has none of Rex's mess-ups warranted so much as a look at another possible starter? Even if it is Brian Griese.
I would like to see Rexandced done by midseason. Kyle Orton has really impressed me this preseason. He looks like a totally different quarterback then the check down one two years ago. On another note Haas and Rideau look to be legit. And who ever they put in the secondary seems to be able to get it done especially that Payne kid.
I'm tired of Rex's choking under pressure and fake confidence, laughing and joking after another dismal performance while Manning is listening in on all the plays trying to coach and help his teammates learn. I think Rex has had an easy ride on his nautural ability up until the NFL. He doesn't know what it is to put in the extra work to get to the next level.
Rex is saying all the wrong things, which makes me think that he hasn't a clue to whats going on? Instead of making excuses as usual, he needs to "Man UP" and say, I need to focus more and prepare myself for every play and try not to have those mental lapses.
My friend and I have figured that Rex has to be toughened up. The quarterback of the Bears should be a wild animal on the field. We think he needs to have his teammates beat him up a little . Maybe give him a few scars or an eyepatch.
If the look in Rex's eyes was not fear, was it amnesia or maybe gas. I loved the slant pass that Brian threw for a touchdown. Brian and Kyle both looked like they were in charge, and Rex was searching for a clue. The quarterback coach was trying to figure out what he had been spending his time on all summer. If the Bears' are going to avoid that "next year" superbowl jinx, they won't be doing it with Rex. You can fix quite a few things, but they don't have a pill for stupid.
I don't think their offense is in trouble at all. As a matter of fact with the addition of Greg Olsen, Garrett Wolfe, Devin Hester, three quality quarterbacks that can start, decent depth at all positions, and losing only one starter from last year, they seem to be in excellent condition.
My only point is I blamed a lot of Rex all last year and a lot was warranted. But, not everything is his fault. He did great rolling out of the pocket and hitting Berrian for a first down, checked of a few times to the 'flats' receiver, and waited patiently for Benson to come open on the screen play.
The only problems I see for the offense are:
- a backup running back that can elude defenders and get to the outside (Peterson is a pounding back, but, gets caught from behind quite a bit and plays on two of the special teams units)
- if Olin gets hurt and forces the Bears to go with Garza at center and Metcalfe, Reed, or Bookman at guard (Metcalfe is a feasible backup, but, has shown little as a starter) Also, if the Bears are forced to use Oakley, (if he makes the team) in case Garza and Kreutz go down.***WORST CASE SCENARIO**
- if Ron Turner still hasn't figured out which plays work the best for each player and what their limitations are
-and, if Lovie doesn't have the guts to make a QB change if/when 'Bad' Rex shows up and doesn't want to leave
Didn't anybody see the chart comparing Grossman's first 23 starts compared to Peyton Manning? They were almost identical, with Manning throwing more interceptions than touchdowns, the same as Grossman. And now, here is Manning one of the best quarterbacks in the League. Also, Grossman has proved he can play quarterback. He had 7 games last year with a quarterback rating of 100 or more, the same as Peyton Manning! That is almost half the season. Yes, one or two or even three games with a rating over 100 may be a fluke, but not seven. Yes, he had horrible games but those seven games prove he has the ability and/or potential to be a very good quarterback. I say you give him four or five games to see if he can be consistent, if not, Griese could fill in nicely.
I just don't understand how badly and for how long a quarterback has to under perform for the back-up to get a shot to supplant the starter. I am not a Bears fan. I live in Florida and am a Dolphins fan (thank you for your sympathies.) But, I am a Griese fan for obvious reasons, so, I would be partial to him starting regardless.
However, no matter who your b.u. QB was, I would still be just as baffled by the situation you all have there. I really feel for you Bears fans. The Bears are more than capable of winning it all this year, and they were last year too, with someone other than Grossman at QB. Last week I was talking about this season and made my prediction that the SuperBowl this year would be with Chicago and New England, with Chicago winning. I guess I had bought into some of the hype about how Rex was going to be so improved this year.
Having drafted Hester and Peterson to my fantasy team, I watched last night to see how they would perform. Needless to say, I am happy with what I saw from them. I was not expecting to see such a pathetic performance, still, from Rex.
I simply cannot believe it. What possible dirt does Rex have on Lovie that he refuses to do what everyone else can plainly see and bench him? Why would Lovie be so willing to sacrifice another season? "Team" is about all of the players on that roster. He is not being fair to the rest of those players, the fans, and, lastly, the team owner. If he can't make a reasonable leadership decision that supports everyone and not just one player, then perhaps next year he should be replaced. Maybe Cowher will be back and available.
If I were Griese, I would have my agent start demanding a trade. Griese is good enough to start for a lot of teams in this league. Too bad he won't be given a chance to win for the Bears.
I had this long list of items I wanted to present but they are far too negative for this time of year. After all,it's only pre-season..so we can't really expect Rex to perform like a real pro q.b. (as in GREISE or ORTON) After all,Rex keeps on smirkin' & smilin' along the sidelines because it's only pre-season and he'll be just fine and he's locked in just like last year. No,I think I'll hold back on any negative comments today. After all,it's only pre-season and much to early to begin ANOTHER QUARTERBACK CONTROVERSY. Please pass me my Bears Kool-Aide.I think my stomach is starting to do turn-overs!
Streamwood Frank
I just don't understand how badly and for how long a quarterback has to under perform for the back-up to get a shot to supplant the starter. I am not a Bears fan. I live in Florida and am a Dolphins fan (thank you for your sympathies.) But, I am a Griese fan for obvious reasons, so, I would be partial to him starting regardless.
However, no matter who your b.u. QB was, I would still be just as baffled by the situation you all have there. I really feel for you Bears fans. The Bears are more than capable of winning it all this year, and they were last year too, with someone other than Grossman at QB. Last week I was talking about this season and made my prediction that the SuperBowl this year would be with Chicago and New England, with Chicago winning. I guess I had bought into some of the hype about how Rex was going to be so improved this year.
Having drafted Hester and Peterson to my fantasy team, I watched last night to see how they would perform. Needless to say, I am happy with what I saw from them. I was not expecting to see such a pathetic performance, still, from Rex.
I simply cannot believe it. What possible dirt does Rex have on Lovie that he refuses to do what everyone else can plainly see and bench him? Why would Lovie be so willing to sacrifice another season? "Team" is about all of the players on that roster. He is not being fair to the rest of those players, the fans, and, lastly, the team owner. If he can't make a reasonable leadership decision that supports everyone and not just one player, then perhaps next year he should be replaced. Maybe Cowher will be back and available.
If I were Griese, I would have my agent start demanding a trade. Griese is good enough to start for a lot of teams in this league. Too bad he won't be given a chance to win for the Bears.
waaaah waaaaah waaaaaahhhhh
Not one of the people who post here even know what it would be like to take a snap in the NFL against a starting team NFL defense.
I love how easy it seems to you on your flippin lazy boy.
Not that I love Rex, but come one. Its pre-season. Hes the best chance we got. If he sucks like this in game 1. Bag um.
Looks like Rex has put on some weight in the offseason or maybe he's been taking them vitamins and stuff that make you get bigger, what's it called? Niagra? I noticed when he was talking on tv, he talks real good don't he?, that his face and neck looked thicker. Maybe since they knew he wasn't growing any other ways they put him on some program to get him stronger and faster, like that Ayandabagio guy they had.
My cousin Cecil said it was too bad the Bear's coaches and gm won't admit they been wrong and now are gettin ready to waste another season backing the wrong horse. Course if they do admit it then it will make all their other decisions look kinda shaky too.
Maybe they think if they keep saying the same thing over and over people will believe what they're saying and not what they're seeing with their own eyes. That don't work forever though. Like my grandpappy used to say, "the only difference between a sucker and a rube is a sucker will eventually wise up".
For all the Rex haters, especially people who never played the game (MG is an example), Rex has better stats than Manning had at this stage in his career. Check out Bradshaw's career or Favre's. Just like Kornheiser you guys are very short on experience and long on uninformed opinions. Short passes you say, that's what they gave him it's called checking down. Griese and Orton are better, thats a laugh, let them play against starters. All the players love Rex, we hear no off the record grumblings, but all the girls know better and they don't need reason to form opinions. Here a little wisdom," it's better to say nothing and be thought a fool than to speak and eliminate all doubt". For all you metrosexuals stick with the cooking blog, because your opinions sound like you found this one by accident. KEEP THE FAITH REX GO BEARS
Roman responds: Interesting crack about metrosexuals, considering many people believe Rex waxes his eyebrows. And we once did a story on how many Bears players get manicures, pedicures, etc. Maybe they should take up cooking.
rex grossman should have been the MVP of the superbowl because he did more to give it to them then peyton. when will the bears get smart and pull the plug on this experiement of failure. he will go down in NFL history as the winningest quarterback with the worse rating ever. his comfidence is gone and the defense is carrying him again. griese played almost the same amount of time and had 10 completions for 131 yards and two TDS.
OK, I don't know how my "Name" got listed with the wrong post? I posted in favor of Brian Griese.
Not the deluded post about Rex being the best shot for the Bears.
Some people keep being apologetic for Rex by saying it's the pre-season. That's such a weak argument. Fundamentals are fundamentals. He doesn't have them! Period.
Roman responds: You must not have received the memo, the name is beneath the post.
I can't believe some of you people call yourself Bears fans when all you do is bash our players! Rex has issues--we know--but he's also only entering his second season as the starter. He's also in a make-or-break contract year, so there are really only two outcomes: He's either going to take the next step and evolve as better QB and earn that extension, or he'll be gone after the season and you can start bashing Neckbeard Orton. And for the record, Cedric Benson is going to lead the NFC in rushing this year (hear that, Frank Gore?).
Think about it...Brian Griese could start and would be an upgrade at QB for a number of NFL teams that would give them a better chance to win than with their current situations:
Atlanta
Buffalo
[Chicago]
Cleveland
Detroit
Houston
Kansas City
Miami
Minnesota
Oakland
"""I simply cannot believe it. What possible dirt does Rex have on Lovie that he refuses to do what everyone else can plainly see and bench him? Why would Lovie be so willing to sacrifice another season? "Team" is about all of the players on that roster. He is not being fair to the rest of those players, the fans, and, lastly, the team owner. If he can't make a reasonable leadership decision that supports everyone and not just one player, then perhaps next year he should be replaced. Maybe Cowher will be back and available."""
It's not Lovie's choice on who starts...Granted, Russ Grimm would have told Jerry Angelo to shove it up his ... when told who to play and who not to play...and why he wasn't hired....Besides the ego thing with his defensive scheme that cost us the Carolina playoff game...Lovie is one heck of a head coach, and I'm glad he's our guy...more importantly, tho...the players love him
You wanna blame anybody for RexandCed...you blame Ted Phillips and Jerry Angelo....but on the flip side...when you consider "body of work" over a couple of bad choices,ie... RexandCed, they've done one heckuva job....ok, the unchecked boxes on Holdman's deal, lol
The bottom line is winning, though...and sooner or later the plug is gonna be pulled on RexandCed....because we won't beat the big boys with 'em
I screamed, draft Julius Jones, draft Michael Turner.....and I didn't even ask for a paycheck....but I'll be getting my payback
Man, could you imagine TJ and his brother (Payton fanatics) riding out their careers in Chicago?
Lovie is the one with the problem not the lil fellar. Rex is what he is, an undersized, unathletic player with some good qb skills. Unfortunately his skills aren't great enough to overcome his physical shortcomings. Well, at least not against real NFL competition; he's pretty good throwing against those training camp tackling dummies and when he has that red shirt on and no one can touch him. But the NFL isn't a punt, pass and kick competition.
No, Lovie has the real problem. He has to figure out how to bench the lil fellar without making himself and his boss look like fools for drafting and pushing another bad draft pick at a key position for oh, 5 or 6 years.
Rex Grossman will out-quarterback Peyton Manning the same time one of the Bush twins announces she is forming a committee to explore her presidential chances. About 2028.
It amazes me that he never accepts the blame for the fact that he is just not a good quarterback. If he's blaming sweat on the ball for one of the miscues, what's he going to do when he has to play a game in the rain or snow? Sorry Rex, you just aren't the type of person to lead a team to the Super Bowl. Why oh why doesn't Lovie give Greise a shot at the job?
Personally I think MNF has went to hell. The announcers are the worst yet. They show the favorites and wouldn't shut up about the MIKE VICK situation. The guy from PTI is funny but the broadcast both isn't PTI. As far as Rex give him one regular season game to be good Rex or bad Rex. If he sucks it up pull him. If he is good leave him alone. The bears will regret trading Thomas Jones. The D looked pretty good. IF the Bears are to make it back it comes down to Rex and Cedric.
I think that rex is thinking to much. i don't believe he's as bad as he looks and its obvious lovie doesn't thinks so to.I truelly believe that all the scrutiny is affecting his play on the field. hes still learning perhaps he needs to to be a back up and regain his confidence.
I say we wait until Michael Vick is out of jail ( if he gets time at all ) and sign him. I like Rex, but he is not a Pro footbal QB. We need a new one.
I said it before the Super Bowl that if Grossman starts, the Bears were sure to lose. They should have started Griese (even after half time) if they wanted a legitimate shot at beating the Colts. Monday Night just showed what could have been if Sexy Rexy would have not started or been benched for Griese instead. At least we would have had a shot!
What's wrong with Rex? Simple he stinks. You could see it before he was drafted and nothing has changed since he's been here. He will never be a full time, winning, quarterback in the NFL.
A few things: For those raving about Orton, please remember that he is playing against a vanilla defense consisting of players who more than likely will not be on an NFL roster in 3 weeks. So lay off the "Orton looks great," any 3 year QB would look great against 3rd and 4th stringers in the PRESEASON.
As far as Grossman is concerned; did he have a couple fumbles? Yes, we all saw that, is it alarming that he fumbled two snaps? Sure, but this is without a doubt the easiest thing for him and Kreutz to correct...and I mention Kreutz, because it's a Center-QB exchange, not just a QB exchange. And name me one QB whom when starting his throwing motion gets the ball hammered out of his hands from behind who will not drop it...sure, jump on Rex, but how about handing out some frustration toward the offensive line, they didn't exactly play too great, evident by Bensons 2.6 yards per carry.
Grossman is 17-21 throwing thus far...he rolled out of the pocket to hit Berrian on a nice pass this week...he snuck one into Moose on the sidelines last week. He is throwing well. And to the bonehead who is griping that his passes are short...it's PRESEASON!!!! The Bears are not going to show off their offense in meaningless games, so if you are expecting bombs to Berrian and Hester and deep balls across the middle to Olsen, you're a dope.
It's absurd how much emphasis most people are putting on a preseason game. The preseason is the time to make the dumb mistakes and misreads, as it's essentially a glorified practice and the second quarter of football everyone has played in 7 months, mistakes are going to happen. This is why they play the preseason. Last year everyone wanted to hang Grossman because of the preseason and he started off the season hot and was the offensive player of the month. He hit a wall in his development and he is primed to get better in year 2 as a starter.
Repeat after me: It's the preseason. Nothing that happens now matters. If the D looks good, the O looks bad, or vice versa, it doesn't matter because it is the preseason and everyone is running plain packages and no one is game planning for these games. It's a uniformed, televised practice.
So, if Grossman is fumbling snaps and throwing bad passes come September, get angry, but to do it now just shows your lack of football intelligence.
In response to Don Weideman, who said: Short passes you say, that's what they gave him it's called checking down.
Don, yes, they are supposed to "check down". Perhaps Rex should actually try it sometime before going straight for the easy 2.5 yard completion every time.
Put down the "Rexstacy" Kool-Aid and come back to reality. The Bears passing game is the laughing stock of the NFL, and rightly so. The fact that they didn't take a legitimate shot at Brees last offseason is really haunting them right now.
Griese agent should be screaming to get him traded because he could start for so many team out there??? HE HAS STARTED FOR EVERY TEAM OUT THERE ALREADY.
If he was sooooo good. Then he probably wouldve been traded already. You disproved your own point. I dont see any of these supposide teams lining up outside angelo's Door.
He is no good too!!!
Year Team G Comp Att Pct. Yds Y/GY/A 300Yd TD Int Rush Yds Y/G Avg TD 100 Yd Lost
1999 DEN 14 261 451 57.9 3032 216.6 6.7 2 14 14 46 138 9.9 3.0 2 0 5
2000 DEN 10 216 336 64.3 2688 268.8 8.0 5 19 4 28 104 10.4 3.7 1 0 3
2001 DEN 15 275 451 61.0 2827 188.5 6.3 1 23 19 49 183 12.2 3.7 1 0 1
2002 DEN 13 291 436 66.7 3214 247.2 7.4 4 15 15 37 107 8.2 2.9 1 0 0
2003 MIA 5 74 130 56.9 813 162.6 6.3 0 5 6 5 15 3.0 3.0 0 0 4
2004 TB 11 233 336 69.3 2632 239.3 7.8 3 20 12 30 17 1.5 0.6 0 0 2
2005 TB 6 112 174 64.4 1136 189.3 6.5 1 7 7 13 12 2.0 0.9 0 0 1
2006 CHI 6 18 32 56.3 220 36.7 6.9 0 1 2 6 -5 -0.8 -0.8 0 0 1
Wow, Brandon, your incredible football intelligence amazes me. So, I shouldn't get excited about Kyle Orton/Brian Griese performing well against scrubs because it's only the preseason, but I shouldn't get worried about Rex Grossman being unable to handle a snap because it's only the preseason? *head explodes*
Culzie--I do know what it would be like to take a snap in the NFL--important enough to not screw it up.
Is it me or was that the worst broadcast of all time, they were terible, there were more interviews than calling the game, and all they talked about everthing else but the game. Tony Corn (whatever)who is the moron and what the h--l is doing there, has he ever even played a sport, I could not beleive what he said after the blown onside kick attempt, that the Bears should be embarrassed that they were fooled, that is only one example. Anybody else think they should find another job????????????
maybe it's just me...can anybody understand Emmitt Smith?
Roman responds: I listened for about two seconds and he was going straight into former-athlete-turned-commentator-who-doesn't-want-to-offend -and-has-no-insight speak.
S-M-A-L-L H-A-N-D-S
I've met Rex a few times and one thing I noticed were his tiny hands. Why hasn't anyone brought this up before???? I don't think he's even 6ft either. Maybe in cleats.
Minus the points off the offensive turnovers in the Super Bowl, the Bear's defense holds the Colts to below or about their season average. You are five points down in the fourth quarter with the ball and moving and you have two plays with a lost of plus 10 yards because of footing. If you have a quarterback that can make plays when you need them maybe rolling out of the pocket or running up field for a few yards when the field is wide open,then maybe some drives are kept alive. Your running game is more effective if the other team thinks your quarterback can beat them with the pass and is not keying on your running game. You are not down by five in the fourth quarter because you are matching the Colts' scoring with field goals (one of the most accourate field kickers that season)if you are moving the ball. You have excellent field position every possession because the other team is scared to kick to Devon Hester, so 20 to 40 yards, a couple of first downs equal field goals and you pull the game out. You blame your defense for staying on the field to long because the offense is three and out and you fail to limit the time Peyton Manning is on the field. You have a quarterback that shows you during the season what he will do in the Superbowl, but you give him credit for getting you to the Super Bowl when it was special teams and defense. You don't look for a running back during the off-season when quite a few good ones were available. Having a Superbowl caliber team and one of the easiest schedules in the league doesn't come along every year - you'll earn the Super Bowl this year. Your coaches don't make adjustments in the game fast enough to counter the other teams success and I agree with one comment that the Carolina Panther game where Tillman, a rookie was getting burned by Steve Smith and he wasn't pulled or got help cost the Bears another possible Superbowl appearance because the Seahawks weren't that good. I have no defense recommendations for the Super Bowl lose because everyone knew going in that keeping Peyton Manning off the field and the Colt's offense out of the end zone required an offensive and defensive effort from the Bears. To the media, you gave Rex Grossman a free pass during the season, during the offseason, and during training camp, but at least you are consistent, you gave President Bush and his adminstration the same free pass with the build up to the Iraqi War and subsequent fiasco - I mean "peace." I don't think the '85 Bears got or would have gotten a free pass and we knew at the time they had several future Hall of Famers on their team. You all have gotten soft.
O.K. PRESEASON-ONLY BEEN IN SIXTEEN BGAMES??--HANDS SWEATY-
NOT GETTING THE BALL " FLAT "--IT.S RAINING--I'M GONNA IMPROVE--
WE'RE GONNA WORK ON IT--
WELL HOW ABOUT WORKING ON IT ON THE BENCH AND LET GRIESE PLAY!!
AS SOON AS GROSSIE STEPPED ON THE FIELD, I COULD SEE IT IN HIS EYES HIS EYES DON'T LIE, HE WAS IN A TRANCE, AND NOT COMPOSED, AND HAD NO IDEA WHERE HE WAS.
WHEN GRIESE AND ORTON WAS IN THERE I FELT AT EASE, AND COULD SEE THINGS RUNNING SMOOTHLY. IT'S TIME FOR A CHANGE-- EVERYONE IN OUR CONFERENCE IS IMPROVING, WE'RE CAUGHT IN A QUAGMIRE SPINNING OUR WHEELS LETTING THE REST OF THE LEAGUE CATCH UP TO US. THE DEFENCE
CAN ONLY DO SO MUCH WEEK TO WEEK, AND IF SOMEONE GETS INJURED, WE'RE IN TROUBLE.
Rex hasnt shown any improvement to me, but then again he hasnt played much yet this year. in the preseason you're still pretty much feeling everybody out, and that includes the defenses...NOT just your own offense. anyone who has played quarterback would probably understand that better that others. unfortunately Rex now has everyone in that mindset that no matter how good he does, he's just lucky, or how bad he does.... OH HE SUCKS.
all that guy has to do now is keep the turnovers down, expecially the INTs (under 10), and throw over 20 TDs and that'll make him solid.
the snaps do look like they happen from jitters, but he'll never admit to that. the national spotlight at this level is still all new to him due to his bull***t luck his first 3 years.
staying consistent in this league is not easy...that in itself is easier said than done because this is the NFL. if anyone could do that, then we'd have all the readers in this blog as quarterbacks in the NFL.
Hey Tony - I actually mentioned the size of Rex's hands earlier in this thread, and I've mentioned it in others as well, FYI. You're welcome.
Nothing new same Rex! Grossman will never be a clutch QB. He lacks the gonads to get job done without fumbling or throwing game away. His pop is a doctor so doubt if he ever had to work for anything.Probably explains his ho hum character.Like hey I mess up again no big deal.
FROSTY you need to thaw that brain of yours. If Rex threw down field into coverage you'd criticize him for forcing the throw, even if the ball was caught it would be credited to the outstanding play of the receiver. Wait until the regular season before you act like you know everything. Pre season games are not the same dynamic, GET IT?
Looks like you struck a lot of nerves on this one, Roman. I agree with those posters who say we are premature to place too much importance on preseason games. I don't understand the harsh negativism. The comparisons to Manning and others are revealing. Let's give the guy a chance to go bust decisively or go Super Bowl MVP. I still say the coaches have their reasons for putting Rex at number one and seriously doubt that it has anything to do with higher management.I'm looking forward to the next two preseason games to see the starters in a bit longer. i also firmly believe the bears are on the way to a return trip, and am not at all convinced it will be against the Colts, in spite of Peyton M.
Tony sez: "S-M-A-L-L H-A-N-D-S
I've met Rex a few times and one thing I noticed were his tiny hands. Why hasn't anyone brought this up before???? I don't think he's even 6ft either. Maybe in cleats."
I believe that I did.
"Geisha hands" if I recall correctly.
Truth is, its fun to argue, but we are lucky to have all Three actually!!!!
U Rex fans are simply amazing. Put Griese or Orton in at QB and watch the Bears become a serious threat 2 win the Superbowl. Go with Rex, and watch a repeat of last year's loss in the Superbowl. It's that simple.
Poor bears fans, stuck with Rex again! when will you people learn. He has ruined the Bears image. Blame it on anything, anyone, but Rex, thats his motto.
It's unfortunate that some of you are allowed to watch football. Griese and Orton do fine against the 2nd string. But Rex has the physical tools they don't. They can't do what he does. Give the kid some room to grow. His numbers are on par with Peyton Manning, Troy Aikman, and John Elway through the same amount of games. Remember, this is preseason and although he fumbled, he also looked sound in the pocket, standing tall, and delivering off the front foot. Last year, he would have slid back in the pocket and gotten crunched or tossed it off his back foot. The fumbles are nothing and will be fixed.
I mute the T.V. and put on 780 AM radio.
Jeff Joniak, Tom Thayer and Co. are the ones to listen to if you are a Bears Fan.
Depending what channel the game is on the timing of radio and TV are off, but I'm willing to deal with that to avoid the lame television broadcasters. They suck on all channels.
In regards to Grossman, it was a pre-season game, but if we are looking for improvement he should be showing some signs already, not making the same old mistakes over and over.
Let's see how the next game goes. If nothing else we will know by the first game in San Diego if he has improved or not. Then the game counts!
My 82 year-old aunt asked me if "In spite of" Grossman was Lovie Smith's nephew.
Even with her weak eyes she can see there's a problem with continuing to play Grossman as the #1 quarterback. What she can't see is why it continues to happen.
When he has "a great game", it's only what you would expect from a professional 1st string quarterback. Nothing special.
She's not EVEN CLOSE to being alone. But the sickest thing in all of this, is the obvious FEAR of SPORTS REPORTERS to get on the bad side of Lovie and the Bears. Somebody in this city should have the cahonnas to say: "Grossman's a good kid. He's trying his best, but his best is not the best Bears football --- AND, IT'S LOVIE'S FAULT for continuing a failed experiment. And then to make it worse by saying such things as 'He led us to the Super Bowl'. That's an insult to the defense (and special teams). Is this Chicago or P.C., California?"
This is a SAD day in Chicago. When NO ONE in the "The City Of Big Shoulders" has the guts to say the king isn't wearing any clothes.
Tony .. I was thinking the same thing about the "small hands".
Incidentally, I remember Ditka during one of his studio gigs (probably around 2002 or so) saying the same affliction haunted Aaron Brooks back when the guy fumbled a lot - 13 times in 2001, 11 times in 2002, 14 times in 2003, and 13 times in 2004.
Okay, enough is enough guys and girls. Once again people are overreacting over preseason games. I read Mariotti's rant this morning and I thought it was mg writing it. You know what? I hope Rex has another decent year and get the heck out of chicago because obviously people in the city don't know a good QB when we have on. Kyle Orton is not a better option than Rex Period. if you haven't noticed, Brian Griece have been Throwing picks like crazy in camp. Why does he get a free pass when he threw a pick in the first preseason game. Threw it right to the guy. Not to mention it was against the texans 2nd team. Why do people continue to bash this guy is beyond me. I don't know what he has done but he certainly doesn't deserve it. Rex is not Peyton Manning. We will never put up Peyton Manning #s. But if he throws for 3000 yards again (which he is very capable of) and limit his turnovers we'll be fine. Let rex get his kinks out now, so he can know not to make those mistakes when the real games start.
REX
If it doesn't kill you it will make you stronger. Hang in there and prove the shrieking mob wrong.
For everyone else thanks for the support and contributing to a self fulfilling prophecy. I'm sure it's more
important for you to be right than for Rex to be successful. "When you're in a sinking boat and no one
else is bailing, it's a good time to start swimming". Start swimming Rex there's little encouragement here.
GO BEARS
I have an NBA right hand...and and 8th grade left!
As much as Rex Grossman fuels my fire, I have to honestly believe the coaches think they have their best chance, week in and week out with with Grossman. Other than the long ball and arm strength, there is little dropoff. Plus, Rex' fumbleitis offsets the former. But I also throw caution to the wind. We shouldn't be surprised if Griese or Orton do not fair any better. I seriously use the next two pre-season games, along with the San Diego game as a meter. I WOULD NOT wait a down longer. I truly believe we can win the whole thing with any of our THREE quarterbacks, we're just that deep and talented, but less likely to do it with the one most capable of LOSING IT for us.
I don't care what you say about Greasy. He is not a Super Bowl quarterback. The Bears lit him up in 2005, he sucked against Greenbay last year. The Bears pay him well to sit and wait, so he should just sit and wait. He is what I call a 20-20 qb. A man who can torch you between the twenties. Brian Griese's son, and Denver just gave up on him, how many Super Bowls did Griese win in Denver, TB. Also not known as a clutch qb.
Orton--don't ask, he needs about 2 more years to even be an NFL player, let alone a star qb. Maybe after he grows pubic hair he will learn how to be a team player. Any questions, just bring up his stats and the scores of the games he "won". Having the worst offense in the league does not give you entitlement to anything, I don't care if he did go to a Big Ten school.
So, I guess that leaves Grossman. My personal jury is still out on him, he's better than about 60-75 of the qbs in the NFL, but the top 10 would eat him alive, and I think that is the real problem. It's not only his inconsistency , but that he is on the cusp of eliteness, but making the same dumb mistakes(repeatedly in the same game) that rookie qbs make. That is the maddening part, so we all wonder if he will ever "get it."
I don't know, but for this team, he is the best qb on the roster, and at times the worst qb on the roster as well (quite possibly at the same time.) When Brett Farve came up from Atlanta, and he threw all those interceptions at the end of games, and the Bears were just waiting for the picks, I would say to myself "why'd they get this fool?" We know why now. Not saying Rex is Favre, just saying Grossman needs to learn how to minimize his weaknesses on the field, and play more to his strengths like Farve did. That would wipe away a good deal of the inconsistent play, and get most fans out of the cardiac ward of the hospitals.
Roman, your article in todays paper rivals a Second City/SNL skit...that was some funny stuff....that's quality right there...I gotta go get my wife to read this.....good morning and thank you...
Rex is a good quarterback for a young team. He is going to be very good, but when that time gets here, all of our opportunities will be lost. We need a consistent guy like Garcia. Right now - Griese would be better.
For Rex, it is similar to a receiver worrying about the run after the catch before actually catching the ball. It's not the size of his hands, not how fast Kreutz is snapping the ball, not the sweat on the ball, its his concentration.
I do believe what one poster said earlier, that Rex is fine until that first mistake. Then from there, its downhill. He is still young and needs to work out the kinks, improve his mental state. A stint on the bench as the backup (as opposed to being injured)may help him. However, being that this is his last year on his current contract, going to the bench probably will end his career as a Bear.
Just as some people have been saying, he will be on a short leash during the first 2 games of the regular season. Remember, this is the preseason and you aren't going to see some of the things that will help Rex, like throw deep (although it backfires often like in the SuperBowl), start in the shotgun, or throw to Hester and Olsen on deeper rountes. By no means should we coddle him, but we shouldn't burn him at the stake either. For those of you out there thinking that we will make the SuperBowl with Orton as our QB, you're being naive.
Griese may be better than Orton, although Griese's career stats don't suggest he can win in the postseason, but Orton has never shown any promise against a first string defense. Remember the 2005 preseason; he lit up 3rd string defenses and eventually became a starter during the regular season. Look how that ended up for him.
I forgot to mention the horrible announcing of the t.v. team last Mon nite.Are we stuck with them all season on Mon nite f.b. or was their appearance just for pre-season purposes? The team on WBBM radio does a great job and have improved thru-out the years. Unfortunately, due to the sound/pix delay most of the time they're not in sync with what we see on t.v. However,it's worth it just to avoid the no talent crews we see & hear on a weekly basis..Monday nites or just regular season Bear games. Maybe just showing the t.v. pix with NO AUDIO or just a mic on the field so we could hear the actual sounds of the game would be the solution.
Streamwood Frank
Roman, your article in todays paper rivals a Second City/SNL skit...that was some funny stuff....that's quality right there...I gotta go get my wife to read this.....good morning and thank you...
Posted by: Hitman | August 22, 2007 11:14 AM
Is it on line...send me a link...
http://www.suntimes.com/sports/football/bears/519859,CST-SPT-snap22.article
Roman sez: "Ok guys, no more symbols for profanity. I'm going to have to delete comments like this from now on. Thanks."
You're the boss Roman, and what you say goes; BUT ... this is a sport's blog, and the vast majority of us watch these games in environments where a little salty language is not out of the norm.
I'll agree that racial slurs, along with George Carlan's famous "Seven Forbidden Words" have no place in a respectable community forum, but every once in a while we all need to express ourselves with a few "expletive deleteds".
I sincerely hope that when the need arises for us to refer to a particular player, coach, or owner as being a horses posterior, you'll cut us a little slack.
I've never been much for swearing. I can make my point without vulgarity. Nevertheless, there are circumstances where a little carfully couched profanity is an appropriate
exclamation point.
I'm not arguing with you, and you have every right to edit this blog as you see fit. I'm just putting in my two cent's worth.
And please take note that I'm doing it without cussing ;)
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love it.
Do you think Jimmy Smolik is draft eligible yet?
I kinda like Kornheiser!
Im a big PTI fan, and I find his honest take refreshing. I dont always agree, but I am not one to get too bent out of shape about having differeng opinions than other people.
Man, Joniak is brutal. Altho not quite as bad as Emitt Smith on espn...anyone heard that nonsensical babbling coming out of him?
Wow, after reading todays articles on Rex
It makes me sick to hear Lovie and Turner say Rex gives us the best chance to win...honestly, how freaking insulting is that
September 9th...
It's honestly gotten so bad with me personally having to watch this putz drag down a Superbowl team (see Tommie Harris comment)....There's your truth
hopefully, a Shawne Merriman will help us out and make us a better team....Short of Steve Foley's policeman friend...I really want captain muscle memory off this team
Thanks guys, great articles today...I'm gonna mow my lawn twice just so I can calm down....
Ok, after all the discussion it's time for me, the self-proclaimed "Biggest Rex supporter not named Lovie or Jerry", to chime in.
If I ever see Rex fumble, pick, botched sanp, botched snap on consecutive series ever again, I will demand he be cut on the spot. That was unwatchable. It actually made me feel sick to my stomach. My friends out here in SD were actively laughing at not only Rex, but me as well. It was so bad in the Superbowl that I had to beg a Vikings fan to punch me in the face, and he wouldn't even do it. This past Monday was like a bad flashback, and I can't take anymore. It's fine if you fumble and throw picks Rex, it's part of the game. Just don't do it on 4 consecutive series.
Barring that, he's our quarterback for the next 6-8 years. In writing that, I sense the irony in how much it sounds like a prison term.
I would like to announce, at this time, that I will be attending the season opener with 11 other Bears fans against the Chargers. They may call it the "Q" but 12 seats in section 56 are going to be Soldier Field. We're having sausages and italian beef flown in from Chicago for the tailgating. And we're going to drink 5,000 beers.
5,000/12=Bear Down!
I agree that Joniak is brutal. I still remember one of his calls (maybe his first year so I can cut him some slack) when there was a battle for a thrown ball. Joniak says something like "and it's thrown into the end zone............and....OH MY GOODNESS".
Thayer is great and helps make up for their "and that last fart brought to you by Tums".
I cant tell which is a more divided issue....Racism or Rexism!!!!
I don't know if you guys know this, but the Bears are the laughing stock of the NFL-- that is with Wrex as the, gulp, qb. Talk of going back to the Super Bowl with Wrex just makes people laugh harder and longer. Notice that we preface everything here with Wrex in the lineup.
The reason Griese is a member of your team is that he actually knows how to throw a football--someone should tell Lovie. His mechanics are easily the best in the game which is the primary reason he could start for a number of teams in the NFL, including the Bears.
I've gotta say however that it's more fun with Wrex at the helm--more fodder for the pundits. Who wants to hear about a 70% completion rate and the 5th highest qb-rating among active qbs, see Brian Griese, when instead you can get a program full of lowlights courtesy of your favorite son, Wrex, on Sunday Night Primetime.
Wrex never was and never will be a qb in the NFL. He should be selling wind-damage insurance to you folks, not blaspheming the game with his continual and utter incompetence. Lack of Bears' championships forces you to believe otherwise to the extent of making up scenarios that aren't remotely possible--like getting back to the playoffs.
Without Griese, you'll be lucky to beat Detroit. The real hilarity will start when you play a real NFL team like the Broncos, the Chargers, or the Chiefs. Maybe Wrex can break out his top secret hand-grenade flea flicker pass against those teams.
I certainly hope so.