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He is being interviewed right now...."1st Fumble...was Cadence,second one was sweat spot on his hand and its just a coincidence that it happened against the Colts again.

Wants to only throw 10 INT's this year.

Start of new season. Chargers opener is the first test, not pre-season"

Its Kreutz, he snaps harder for Rex on purpose to sandbag him.

Kreutz isn't in the game when Griese plays. Don't overreact.

I missed the game because I tuned in to ESPNHD and was treated to a talk show instead. They were more concerned with their prescheduled interviews and the Vick non-story. I hope the writers here call them out for failing to show the game. I couldn't see who was in the game or what was happening. Too bad ESPN is trying to be CNN instead of a sports station.

Roman responds: Ok, it wasn't Kreutz who snapped it to Griese. It was some scrub center who hasn't gone to six Pro Bowls.

Thanks for coming back. Good news is: it was on espn, so not too many people saw it. There will always be the factory workers bashing him,especially when their baseball season was over in February, however,the fact of the matter is, the interception was yet a result of another failure to execute by a receiver. More importantly, as a center, never once in my 23 years of playing did a quarterback ever accept the blame for a miffed exchange. Why should that change now???
The biggest atrocity however, was Espn's insistence that they are somehow the experts on political issues just because an athlete(Michael Vick) was involved in one. Why not just have Rush Limbaugh call the game if they want to express short sided 'white' views???? That is what really ruined the game-NOT Rex's accurate (9 for 11),performance. The 20 minute interview with Peyton Manning didn't help either. He's a good guy, but he is just not man-crush material.

Its Kreutz, he snaps harder for Rex on purpose to sandbag him.

REX COULDN'T CARRY PEYTON'S SHOES.

So, are we done with the Rexperiment yet? Nope...the beat down Sept 9th should be enough, though...but it won't be....I just explained to my wife why RexandCed are starting....lol, she said, oh, the sh** rolls down hill thing...Lovie's just middle management and the yes guy.......I love that woman..she got it on the first try..and she's hot

I'm watching Orton getting sacked in the 4th while he was about to throw...of course, Orton held onto the ball and took the hit....but I'm thinking, that would have been another fumble for Rex...Maybe if Rex's balls drop, he'll quit droppin balls...Kyle has pubes now, though....and that's when I would like to win, thank you very much

And did you see the difference in AP's and Cedric's running styles? One has vision and good feet...the other...well, that was Cedric

You will all know the words to "Without RexandCed" before this year is over....I give you my JoeNamath on that one

We're not beating Philly or Dallas in the NFC, gentlemen....

Kieth sez: "Mark don't back down. Rex is going to make them all throw up. And he won't even have a decent excuse. He will smugly shrug it off. And Benson is worse than Rex. And that is the scarrier position because we don't even have a proven back if he gets hurt."

I won't have to back down as long as Rex keeps falling down, and making my point.

The boy's as slow as snail poop, moves around in the pocket like a three toed sloth, and has hands the size of a Geisha girl's.

He isn't physically affraid to take a hit, and I'll never go so far as to call him a chicken, but's he's scared as Hell of making mistakes, and is easily rattled. At NFL speed, the game just plays too fast for him. Using my old record turntable as a metaphor, Rex is a 33 LP, while the rest of the field is playing at 78 RPM.

I'm so tired of Grossman that I'm at a loss 4 words.

It's because he STINKS!!!! When are the Bears going too WAKE UP and realize he is probably the WORST starting QB in the NFL!!

When he dove in for the TD the ball even came loose. Watch the replay.

I loved the "sweat spot" comment when Michele Tafoya was interviewing him. That was the problem - sweat? Oy. Cadence problems, ok - go work on it - more. But sweat? Get a hand towel, dude cuz that excuse ain't gonna fly with too many people. I think he has small hands. And you guys know what small hands means, right. Or is it feet? I can't remember. In any case, Michele was lauding (yes, pts for myself) the fact that Rex never backs away from an interview. Well, congratulations Rex. Inept, but not afraid of face time. But he's our guy!!!!!! Woo-hoo!!!! What kills me though is that when he's good - he's actually very good. I still say this is a mental issue with him, and he should find himself a good sports psychologist. And a new eyebrow waxer, but I digress........

Rex is the epitome of inconsistency. What confuses me most is his tireless use of excuses. I just wish he'd quit being a ?u$$y and admit he needs to hone this particular aspect of his game. I'm beginning to think it may be a better idea for a team as talented as the Bears to utilize a solid quarterback that will not take the team two steps back on a given day and be a strong enough link to let the other 53 guys help win the game. Sorry Rex, a forced interception is one thing but a basic shortfall is unacceptable in our quest for supremacy in the M.F.L. (MENS FOOTBALL LEAGUE).

Roman responds: Ok guys, no more symbols for profanity. I'm going to have to delete comments like this from now on. Thanks.

Mark I couldn't have said it better myself! LOL!!! But I am so glad we all saw it again - the BEARS gift rapped that superbowl with a little card from Grossman. Running game is still suspect.

Thoughts on the 2nd preseason game:

- To borrow a phrase, Rex is who we thought he was....bad fundamentals, bad concentration, bad reactions to pressure, etc.

- Special teams MUCH better in all four phases

- Backup offensive line still bad

- Running game (and/or Cedric) still bad

- Griese and Petersen still good - they should both start next week.

If you want to know why Peyton manning is wearing a ring and Rex is not, watch what each of them did after they were done playing. Rex ran over and put his hat on and joked with people for the next 2 1/2 quarters. Peyton kept his earphone in and payed attention to the rest of the game - always trying to learn something. Rex thinks he knows it all and the critics don't know what they are talking about.

In Rex Grossman's defense, the first fumble was a result of Fred Miller getting tossed around like a rag doll. But, the interception was plain 'Rexa-vu'; throwing into tight coverage and not looking for a 'check-down'.

On the second fumble after the defensive hold, Olin Kreutz had a 'brain cramp' and snapped the ball late. (Refs should have called a false start as John St. Clair and Roberto Garza moved before the snap).

The third fumble was more 'Rexa-vu'; as he had bad hand placement under Kreutz' 'bum' and then pulled his hands apart. Maybe, Pepe Hamilton should have him chew gum and walk, then go from there.

But, The biggest surprise of the night was how effective the screen play was on two plays in a pre-season game. It was 'a sight for sore eyes' to see the lineman spin around and get the defensive player trailing the play, instead of running around 'stalk blocking'. Plus, the way the Bears quarterbacks patiently waited for the back to get open.

It's preseason, who cares. ESPN Monday Night Football sucks anyway. I love Tirico, but with a credible football partnership in the booth. I turned it off after a few minutes. Too much Michael Vick opinion. All I want to hear are the facts about the game, not some clown's opinion.

Roman responds: I like Kornheiser, too, but I don't like Jaws. Wish they still had Theismann.

Roman responds: I like Kornheiser, too, but I don't like Jaws. Wish they still had Theismann.

Posted by: ernest frazier | August 21, 2007 08:58 AM

I don't like Jaws either. I've been a Kornheiser fan since his radio days. I think he brings something to the table every telecast. Joe Theissman at least had a thought even when it was contrary to the popular opinion at the worldwide leader.

"The biggest atrocity however, was Espn's insistence that they are somehow the experts on political issues just because an athlete(Michael Vick) was involved in one. Why not just have Rush Limbaugh call the game if they want to express short sided 'white' views????"

Really, 'Short sided "white" views"? Can only someone with "street cred" be qualified to comment on this? Perhaps they should have staged a point/counter-point with Stuart Scott arguing why dog fighting and illegal gambling are no big deal because they are accepted activities of thug life. Or maybe Clinton Portis could have qualified Vick's actions with the valid defense "it's his property, it's his dog". Gotta make sure we don't short change Vick . . .

get off rex back he stil threw the ball very well i like the way he got out of the pocket and threw a bullit for a completion he did make a mistake on the int but i think he looks better and will be ready to prove you negative bears fan wrong best of luck grossman im on your side DAN GO BEARS

get off rex back he stil threw the ball very well i like the way he got out of the pocket and threw a bullit for a completion he did make a mistake on the int but i think he looks better and will be ready to prove you negative bears fan wrong best of luck grossman im on your side DAN GO BEARS

Repeat after me and 5 seasons in the NFL: Rex is NOT an NFL quarterback.

Rex does does not have a problem. He is the same incompetent quarterback the Bears drafted 5 years ago. Lovie Smith has the PROBLEM. Why is he sticking with excuse making qb? I just don't get it.

Poor Rex! He's just not a natural quarterback. He can't read the field, can't improvise, and is a nervous wreck on the field. Like great jazz musicians, great quarterbacks are born with the ability to play. It's an intangible talent that can't be taught.

Just ask Michael Jordan about playing basketball vs.baseball. Rex ain't got it. Move on.

Yeah, those ESPN guys were dull and repetitious. More focus on the game and fewer of their lopsided opinions would have helped, but they would still have been dull. As a Rex fan ( I almost said "supporter" but figured that would open up too many opportunities for banality for the Rex nay-sayers ) I was not horribly pleased last night, and Griese really did look great when he first got in. Orton had his problems too, and looked like the old Orton who stood around waiting to be tackled.But Hey! They beat the Super Bowl champs this time,even though it's probably good that they didn't try to move the ball at the end of the game. I still like Rex and hope he has a great game against San Francisco.

Don't give up on us Rexy
Don't make the wrong throw, seem right.
You know he isn’t your receiver.
It's written in the playbook
And conveniently painted on their helmets
You can't make that throw, tonight.

Don't give up on us Rexy
We both know you can throw, so far.
I know you just bought a local bar.
The Super Bowl was just a rainy evening
And maybe quarterback stars are few
So don't give up on us, Rexy I know
You can still throw ‘oooohs’.

You really lost your head last night
The fans have a right to stop believing
There's still a little sympathetic Lovie left even so

Don't give up on us Rexy
Even Orton could get us this far
Can't we stay the way we are
The gunner and the offensive schemer.
Who sometimes plays it cool
Don't give up on us, Rexy, I know
You can still throw, ‘oooohs’

It's written in the playbook
And painted on their helmets.
You can’t throw to that dude.

Don't give up on us Rexy
You’re still Lovie’s guy,
He really wants to give you one more try
The Super Bowl was just a rainy evening
And Peyton Mannings are few
Don't give up on us , Rexy, I know
You can still throw, ‘oooohs’

Don't give up on us Rexy
Don't give up on us Rexy...

Sorry about the language, won't happen again. I'm just so frustrated at his insistence to not look in the mirror, and my own competitive nature, coupled with the staffs blindness to his MAJOR shortcomings, got the best of me. However, I do see a yellow stripe appear here and there on this mans' back and that has to change. To his credit though, that first fumble was not his fault. Did you see that block on the play by Benson. Me neither. Cedric, what the heck kind of feeble attempt was that?!?

Kornheiser is the worst. He is so obnoxious and loud. I think Tiricio is good and Jaws is only ok. Its so boring to listen to annoucers 'service' Manning for 3 hours straight.

Oh, and grossman is terrible. You'd think he'd have learned to handle a snap by now.

Kruetz has had an exchange problem from day one in the NFL. Does anyone remember every other Bears QB having the same problem? In case you don't, they did. Kruetz's ass is lower than all other centers in the league which makes the QB have to get lower and not see over the line. If Kruetz snaps the ball vertically there is a strong chance that the QB will fumble the ball. Did you hear Kruetz argue about not exchanging the ball correctly? No. Because he knows he screwed up.

The Bears will be fine. IT'S PRESEASON!!!

Roman responds: I don't remember it, but I guess Jim Miller had some problems, too. But not like this. This is unbelievable. Preseason? Yeah, don't you remember the regular season from last year? Super Bowl? Two snaps fumbled? As far as Kreutz taking the blame, he's a captain and would take the blame no matter what.

What happened to Lovie saying that they were going to use the shotgun more often? I thought they were setting that up so that Grossman can get a better handle on the play? If they are going to run the shotgun, you gotta give Orton an opportunity because he was great in the shotgun at Purdue. He just might suprise you, too bad Lovie won't allow it.

I can't Defend Rex. I dont really trust BG or KO either though.

Cedric, however, looked good to me. Not sure what everyone else was watching, but I saw him smash through lines, and get big gainers, and fall for 2-3 yeard Min. TJ wouldnt have gotten that 3rd and 1. No way!

I really am at a loss for words for Rex though....I spit out a bit of koolaid through my nose last night on his third fumble. I have to be honest.

OK my BEAR-A-HOLICS , it's time for us to bombard Ted Phillips with letters . Who pays the player salaries...coaches , GM ,maybe the President and CEO , NO , it's US and WE don't want this Doug Flutie ( without the talent ) want to be at the controls of a potentially deadly offense . I really don't care how much time and money was wasted on this guy but , that's enough ! When a player screws up on the field I don't want that player wearing a smirk coming off the field , I'd go Bobby Knight on his ass ! It's time to see more Orton , let's see if he learns anything practicing and demote Rex the wonder dog , who knows , maybe that's just what he needs .

Poor Hex, he's history. Brian's the man now, but only if Lovie is tired of carrying Rex's water.

Not only did he fumble and throw the pick, his other numbers were horrid. Minus the one long 25+ yard completion, he averaged only 3.2 yards per completion. All he could connect on were cheap instant sideline dump-offs to his outlet receiver, and even many of those were pretty ugly plays as he hardly even looked at his primary guy. He was clearly stat padding his completion %.

I don't think even most of the skeptics are being realistic about just how poor of a QB Grossman really is.

The depth chart should be Griese-Orton-Grossman. It doesn't matter how good (see: generally lucky) Grossman can be once in a blue moon. His inconsistency clearly makes him unacceptable as an NFL QB. Say what you will about Orton, but at least he has some ability to manage a game. Grossman's only redeeming quality is a strong arm. That won't get you far. Ask Jeff George.

Stop pretending anything is "wrong" with Grossman. This is who he is. This IS normal for him. Admit the obvious: he simply lacks the talent. The sooner the Bears accept it the sooner they can move on and win a championship. Last year was in spite of Grossman.

How people equate his presence on the team to "taking them to the Super Bowl" last year is a horrible joke. Hey, the water boy was there as well. Quick, let's make him and the towel boy team captains.

You're not overreacting, Roman--this is unacceptable. You're right, it's only preseason-there's nothing on the line for Rex to throw away, and he's still fumbling and throwing the ball to the other team. Looking at Rex on the sideline, laughing and joking after an outing like that, you know he knows the score--his job is secure no matter what he does.

I'm actually going to go with BBB on this one and say that's just plain bad coaching, even more so than letting Orton languish on the bench. Hutch got the axe after one bad preseason outing; has none of Rex's mess-ups warranted so much as a look at another possible starter? Even if it is Brian Griese.

I would like to see Rexandced done by midseason. Kyle Orton has really impressed me this preseason. He looks like a totally different quarterback then the check down one two years ago. On another note Haas and Rideau look to be legit. And who ever they put in the secondary seems to be able to get it done especially that Payne kid.

I'm tired of Rex's choking under pressure and fake confidence, laughing and joking after another dismal performance while Manning is listening in on all the plays trying to coach and help his teammates learn. I think Rex has had an easy ride on his nautural ability up until the NFL. He doesn't know what it is to put in the extra work to get to the next level.

Rex is saying all the wrong things, which makes me think that he hasn't a clue to whats going on? Instead of making excuses as usual, he needs to "Man UP" and say, I need to focus more and prepare myself for every play and try not to have those mental lapses.

My friend and I have figured that Rex has to be toughened up. The quarterback of the Bears should be a wild animal on the field. We think he needs to have his teammates beat him up a little . Maybe give him a few scars or an eyepatch.

If the look in Rex's eyes was not fear, was it amnesia or maybe gas. I loved the slant pass that Brian threw for a touchdown. Brian and Kyle both looked like they were in charge, and Rex was searching for a clue. The quarterback coach was trying to figure out what he had been spending his time on all summer. If the Bears' are going to avoid that "next year" superbowl jinx, they won't be doing it with Rex. You can fix quite a few things, but they don't have a pill for stupid.

I don't think their offense is in trouble at all. As a matter of fact with the addition of Greg Olsen, Garrett Wolfe, Devin Hester, three quality quarterbacks that can start, decent depth at all positions, and losing only one starter from last year, they seem to be in excellent condition.

My only point is I blamed a lot of Rex all last year and a lot was warranted. But, not everything is his fault. He did great rolling out of the pocket and hitting Berrian for a first down, checked of a few times to the 'flats' receiver, and waited patiently for Benson to come open on the screen play.

The only problems I see for the offense are:

- a backup running back that can elude defenders and get to the outside (Peterson is a pounding back, but, gets caught from behind quite a bit and plays on two of the special teams units)

- if Olin gets hurt and forces the Bears to go with Garza at center and Metcalfe, Reed, or Bookman at guard (Metcalfe is a feasible backup, but, has shown little as a starter) Also, if the Bears are forced to use Oakley, (if he makes the team) in case Garza and Kreutz go down.***WORST CASE SCENARIO**

- if Ron Turner still hasn't figured out which plays work the best for each player and what their limitations are

-and, if Lovie doesn't have the guts to make a QB change if/when 'Bad' Rex shows up and doesn't want to leave

Didn't anybody see the chart comparing Grossman's first 23 starts compared to Peyton Manning? They were almost identical, with Manning throwing more interceptions than touchdowns, the same as Grossman. And now, here is Manning one of the best quarterbacks in the League. Also, Grossman has proved he can play quarterback. He had 7 games last year with a quarterback rating of 100 or more, the same as Peyton Manning! That is almost half the season. Yes, one or two or even three games with a rating over 100 may be a fluke, but not seven. Yes, he had horrible games but those seven games prove he has the ability and/or potential to be a very good quarterback. I say you give him four or five games to see if he can be consistent, if not, Griese could fill in nicely.

I just don't understand how badly and for how long a quarterback has to under perform for the back-up to get a shot to supplant the starter. I am not a Bears fan. I live in Florida and am a Dolphins fan (thank you for your sympathies.) But, I am a Griese fan for obvious reasons, so, I would be partial to him starting regardless.

However, no matter who your b.u. QB was, I would still be just as baffled by the situation you all have there. I really feel for you Bears fans. The Bears are more than capable of winning it all this year, and they were last year too, with someone other than Grossman at QB. Last week I was talking about this season and made my prediction that the SuperBowl this year would be with Chicago and New England, with Chicago winning. I guess I had bought into some of the hype about how Rex was going to be so improved this year.

Having drafted Hester and Peterson to my fantasy team, I watched last night to see how they would perform. Needless to say, I am happy with what I saw from them. I was not expecting to see such a pathetic performance, still, from Rex.

I simply cannot believe it. What possible dirt does Rex have on Lovie that he refuses to do what everyone else can plainly see and bench him? Why would Lovie be so willing to sacrifice another season? "Team" is about all of the players on that roster. He is not being fair to the rest of those players, the fans, and, lastly, the team owner. If he can't make a reasonable leadership decision that supports everyone and not just one player, then perhaps next year he should be replaced. Maybe Cowher will be back and available.

If I were Griese, I would have my agent start demanding a trade. Griese is good enough to start for a lot of teams in this league. Too bad he won't be given a chance to win for the Bears.