I would start Grossman in the first half. They are playing indoors, on turf, against a team that has lost 6 of its last 7 games. Ideal conditions for him to attempt to right the ship.
If he struggles similar to the Minnesota game, Griese must start the second half. I don't need "first five games Rex" - just no turnovers, better than 50% completion rate, and checkdowns unless someone is wide open.
John F, I agree. Rex Deserves another shot simply because his play in the first half of the season. he made the Bears look unbeatable. I would give him one half to get his act together. And he wouldn't even have to be lights out. Just don't throw any picks. I guarantee if he has merely modest numbers, that would boost his confidence. GO BEARS!!
LET'S GET GRIESE !!!
GROSSman is done in my books.This is what Lovie Dovie is not thinking about,with the defence on the field as much as it is,can you imaging how our year is gonna end very quickly if something happens to # 54 .
Everybody is doing there job...except for # 8 GROSSman, well I guess it's time to look for another Q.B. and head coach...BEAR A HOLIC.
I hate to say this but REX is and should be the QB. He is unfortunately, the best QB in the lineup. They simply have to improve the play calling. I dont know why they are obsessed with long passes. After last week performance, we know he cant get any worse. Its simple Rex, avoid giving up turnovers and your team can go unbeaten the rest of the way.
Greise. He may not light up the scoreboard, he might be boring to watch with his 4 and 5 yard passes but he won't average 4 turnovers either.Greise's style of play is more suited for the bears style of play especially in freezing playoff weather on the lakefront.Greise would make a pro-bowler out of desmond clark with the dumpoffs and both our rb's would benefit with 3rd and shorts instead of 3rd and 10.All we need is a game manager who will not turn it over and our D and ST will take care of the rest.
You might think I'm crazy, but I think Lovie is playing all of us for fools. The media and the rest of us have incessantly clamored for the prompt dismissal of Rex while stating the case that Lovie isn't thinking about the postseason and is blinded by his loyalty. But consider this scenario. Lovie replaces Rex in favor of Griese at St. Louis. Griese lights it up, the Bears win convincingly. The law of averages will kick in, and the rest of the league will eventually catch up with him (as it has in the past) and exploit his weaknesses. As the post season rolls around, now you have potential for a full-fledged quarterback controversy, a divided locker room, and two known quantities (mediocre quarterbacks). I believe Lovie is staying with Rex with the post season squarely in his sights. If Rex continues to struggle all the way to the end of the season, and into the first quarter of the playoffs, Lovie still has a trump card up his sleeve. Griese. Although the Bears won't know fully how Griese will react, neither will the opponent. Put in Griese while the offense is staring down at their cleats on the sidelines after another Grossman pick and all of a sudden you can hear the chants emerge from the stands "Rudy! Rudy!". Instant hope and motivation at a time when you need it most. So I say you are a wise man, Mr. Smith, and stay with Rex...until the second quarter of the first playoff game.
John F.,
You and I rarely have seen eye to eye but I do have agree with you. Rex needs to start to see if he can somehow get back to where he was at the begining of the year. The play-calling must be better and Turner needs to put Rex in managable situations. He needs to regain his confidence. The only way to do this is by calling short to intermediate passes. Then and only then can you call for the hoerun ball. He needs to get into a rythymn early and that might lead to good Rex reintroducing himself to his team and us fans. If he continues to struggle a change must be made
Ok. I was the biggest GROSSman fan until this past weekend against the Viqueens. No way does GROSSman NOT pass to Mckie wide open in the flats on 3rd and two. No way does he NOT see Muhammad wide open on a perfect hitch and go route. I honestly believe that GROSSman is better than Griese but after this weekend, Wrecks has LOST his job. Lovie would have benched any other player in the same scenario (See Chris Harris week 2). I can't understand the logic behind this one... There seems to be some inconsistencies. The only problem I have with Griese is IF/WHEN Lovie goes with Griese, there is NO turning back... We're stuck with him throughout the playoffs and I'm not excited about that option either.
Griese. You want a reason I will give you one. 1.3 passer rating. It CANNOT be any worse starting Griese. I am SURE he would manage the game better than rex and avoid most turnovers. What does it take to make the switch. We have a very rare chance to go all the way and your going to risk it on a guy that throws for 34 yards. You have got to be kidding me. This is easy go with Griese.
bears don't make many mistakes, just keep making the same ones over and over again. They will start rex, and since game is indoors, he probably won't be as bad as last game. So lovie can say, Rex is our quarter back and angelo can hide in his office and the mcaskies can draw their salaries and their bonus checks for being champions of the nfc north. wow lets all celebrate.
There is no way that Sunday's game against the Vikings could have been the breakout game for Grossman that people were expecting.
1. Vikings had best run defense in league, were likely to shut down the run forcing Rex to try to beat them passing.
2. But conditions were lousy for passing as both Grossman and Johnson found out. Strong winds, etc.
3. Of Grosssman's 3 interceptions, only the first was truly terrible. He had another guy open in the endzone. The second one was a perfectly good punt. (kidding). The third one was bad luck.
On this day 20 was a good QB rating.
So give him his shot in St. Louis. If he continues to stink up the joint then try Griese.
Grossman is garbage in his 1st 5 games he was just lucky with all the droped interceptions, and diving catches by the WR made him look better then he was. Grease looked good in pre-season he is not a great QB but we dont need a great one with out D. Also lovie should be fired today to have a coach this dumb does not make sence he is just another Dick J. only a litter dumber we need a real coach who will get mad. call Ditka then fire Lovie. then lets win this Super Bowl.
Greise should have gone in second half against Vikings. Start Rex at St. Louis, if he doesn't protect the ball, bench him. This team would be without question best in NFL with an average ball control offense.
I'm sorry is this Lovie Smith or Dusty Smith. The inability and stubborness of this coach is ridiculous. I say that if he continues to show this attitude that he needs to follow Dusty Baker out of town. Our coach should be somebody that you respect. How can you respect a man that accepts dismals performances again and again. His stubborness will definitely and up hurting the team and therefore he should be gone.
Go with REX....
How soon we forget...
His Numbers were UNREAL in the beginning of the season, teams watch Film, adjustments are made; Rex will adjust as well, he will learn, he will get better again; and all of the media will do their usual turnaround at how smart Lovie is.
Lovie Smith seems to be a smart guy. So there has to be someone else in his ear when it comes to making the decision on whether to bench Rex Grossman or not. That's the only reasonable excuse I can come up with because it's so obvious that a change need to be made at the quarterback position.
The Bears don't need a great quarterback right now - just someone who can understands how to play it safe & NOT give the game away. If the coaching can get Grossman to buy into that philosophy, they'll be fine; if not, pull the plug for someone who can.
I was really rooting for Rex to turn it all around and prove the naysayers wrong. That is until his third interception against New England. It was at that point right there I realized this is just not working. Period. What's it going to take for The Bears to realize this? I thought for sure if he threw a couple picks in the first half against Minnesota they'd have Griese start the second half, but it didn't happen. They can protest all they want, but if Rex doesn't make a miraculous turn around and quick we most definitely WILL be seeing Griese start for the playoffs. I don't care WHAT they're still saying now. And you know, that's not too bad of an option. Here's a guy who may be considered a "mediocre" journeyman QB, but correct me if I'm wrong, does he not have better career numbers than virtually any QB in the history of The Bears? The thing that gets me is with our defense and special teams we don't need to be throwing the risky deep ball anyway, It's just not necessary. Griese would suit Da Bears just fine. I really like Rex. I think he's a good kid, but enough's enough. Bring in Griese!
I have never been a fan of Rex but was willing to let him have his chance. OK, he's had his chance and now it is time for a change. His last few games have been a nightmare. The turnovers and interceptions are killing this team. Yes we have a great defense and the special teams are very special, but you need to score a few points on offense or at least protect the ball! He can't even seem to get through a game without losing the ball on the snap! Come on, even my 21 monthold grandson can do that! The time has come to make a change or there will be another one and out posst season.
There is a reason Griese is a back up QB. Rex is basically a rookie, he will learn. 10-2 is not too bad. Give Griese some clean up time to keep him awake. Chicago fans complain too much. The offensive line needs to step up, they will. To win you have to believe you can win, for whatever reason Grossman gives the players that feel. Griese is what he is, a back up. You don't go any further with Griese then you will with Grossman.
Rex is our superbowl quarterback. Rex is the best quarterback that the Bears have had on their team for quite some time. Not since Erik Kramer has a quarterback shown the skills that Rex has this year. As he is still growing as a QB, he needs to get better at making decisions. In my mind the way that he gets better is by playing through adversity. He is still the same QB that was lights out the first half of this season and he will get back to form. We now have four remaining games for him to work out the kinks to get ready for the playoffs. Go Bears and Go REX!! - Slim Tim
If Rex stumbles in the first quarter of any upcoming game, take him out. Rex needs to know that he is not the choosen one, and that poor play results in bench time. Other team QB's are reviewing photo's of the play(s) and our Rex just sits on the bench, sometimes smiling, with no coach in his face asking for immediate corrections or providing coaching assistance.
I also think that Bear fans should protest with their dollars. Don't go to the games, or stop buying anything at the game to make a statement, otherwise it seems what we want and pay for is meaningless to the Bears management. Comment with your dollars, stop spending at Soldier Field.
If the goal is to win the Super Bowl, our coaching is not giving Rex the tough Lovie Rex needs.
rex was finished before he started. its the mentality of chicago fans to stay the course no matter how bad or often they loose. we are used to it and conditioned for that. it seems that even with the writing on the wall, there should not be this 1/4 back question. if the guy plays like an idiot, get him out. any good coach can see that,even on the grade school level. if chicago ever wants to have any winning teams of any substance, the people cannot keep telling themselves basic sports lies about their so called players. either they have it or they dont. chicago has to get with it and so do the sports teams. it really makes no difference what the sport is, we need real coaches and honest fans not idiots like the teams put together here. so it is my opinion to take rex and hex out and lovie too, he needs to at least try the greeeeeesssss/what could be worse, if not we will never make it past the first round. it is also a terrible thing that the d---just cant play offense too/think of this, what could be worse then a 0.0/1.3 passer rating/-9 yards for 1 game or at least somebody who will try harder and has better eyes.
Stay with Grossman if Griese is the only other choice. Griese has failed at Denver, Miami, and Tampa. Why would anyone think he would be a success now? He is not the present or the future.
Griese. We can't afford to continue training Grossman. We need a veteran quarterback to minimize mistakes. Next year, we are losing a lot of our starters to free agency. We have the opportunity to win the Super Bowl NOW!
I think grossman should be taken out because he's throwing to many interceptions and to many incomplete passes also if he stinks they should put in brian gresie.
Griese should come in...it's rediculous, we have a superbowl team but Grossman will bring us down just like Orton did. We can't win with him handing the ball to the other team every play....and leaving him in is wearing out our defense. They need a break everytime they sit down they just have to get right back up again. At this rate our whole team is going to be shot before the championship game. We can't win the playoffs with Grossman and you can't bring in Griese cold so play him now see what he can do with the first string offensive linemen and our amazing defense! SUPER BEARS!! SUPER BOWL!!!
I would stick with Grossman for now. But at the same time I would not hesitate to pull him at halftime if he throws two interceptions or more and replace him with Greise.
The people bitching about replacing Rex as quaterback reminds me of a bunch of over demanding parents in pee-wee football. They all think their kid is the greatest thing and that the coach should replace the current player for their kids. All I have to say is "SHUT UP", last time I looked it was Lovie's team and since he's the coach, he can choose who he wants. If you can do better, send your resume to Hallas Hall!
Grossman needs to sit and get a reality check. His head is NOT in the game and wont be until he understands that he WILL get benched. Maybe if he sits the rest of this season out and Griese wins the Superbowl for us he will realize he can be replaced and needs to step up his game. I think I speak for about 60,000 Chicagoans when I say Bench Rex and start Griese.
This has been going on too long, I've supported Rex for weeks he's terrible. This is a business and the job he's done is dredful. Lovie will get the ax if he continues to be stubborn.
The Bears have not given a young quarterback a chance to develop for the last 20 years. With his past injuries, this is really Rex's first full season. He's smart and skilled. His fundamentals and consistency problems are correctable. The next four games are the ideal time to work out these problems before the playoffs.
The last game was brutal for all the quarterbacks. Brady was no shining star in the New England game, either. That should say something about field conditions and other factors at play. There are ten other people on the field who contribute to the quarterback's success and eleven others who are doing everything they can to stop him. Since the Bears are so good this year, every opponent comes in supercharged.
Give the kid a break. He's shown flashes of brilliance and is going to be a great one for us, with a little patience, or with someone else, if we give up on him.
rex was finished before he started. its the mentality of chicago fans to stay the course no matter how bad or often they loose. we are used to it and conditioned for that. it seems that even with the writing on the wall, there should not be this 1/4 back question. if the guy plays like an idiot, get him out. any good coach can see that,even on the grade school level. if chicago ever wants to have any winning teams of any substance, the people cannot keep telling themselves basic sports lies about their so called players. either they have it or they dont. chicago has to get with it and so do the sports teams. it really makes no difference what the sport is, we need real coaches and honest fans not idiots like the teams put together here. so it is my opinion to take rex and hex out and lovie too, he needs to at least try the greeeeeesssss/what could be worse, if not we will never make it past the first round. it is also a terrible thing that the d---just cant play offense too/think of this, what could be worse then a 0.0/1.3 passer rating/-9 yards for 1 game or at least somebody who will try harder and has better eyes.
RichK, I think your scenario is keenly on the money. I've already said that the BEARS already know what they have in Griese. They have confidence in him. I've said how they prepare Orton more than him because they know what they have. Look at the preseason,EVERYONE was clamoring to sit Rex because he was stinking up the joint. What did he do once the season started? Lights out. And look how long it took for the league to catch up with him? No one knows what Griese could bring to this offense. Rex is constantly going long. That's what HE wants to do. Right now he doesn't have to be all-world because we don't have our backs against the wall. Screw those guys if they want us to dominate opponents- that's what they're saying. This team is treating opponents like it's preseason all over again. Let Rex work through it or sit on the bench WHEN IT MATTERS. Right now,it doesn't matter. As much as you would like it to be it doesn't. Winning only means it plays out longer. I think that it's a win-win proposition for the coaches now. They can absolve themselves after you guys cast enough heat on them. Putting Griese in in the first post season game mean that opposing teams wouldn't know what he could do. How great was Romo once the Giants knew what he was about. He threw 2 INTs and no TDs in better weather than he's gonna have here in January. Like I've said I'm an optimist and I refuse to see that these coaches have unremovable blinders on. Maybe in the long run the blinders are just on you guys. I thought that winning solve a lot of problems. If I'm going to fire someone I think I'll wait for a real reason to fire them. What are we losing,RIGHT NOW. IN preseason what were we actually losing then. Give it some time people. We have at least another 6 weeks before we could be eliminated DURING our first post game. Wait before you leap off that proverbial cliff.GO BEARS!!!
Don't look at Lovey's decisions or Rex going downfield. Look up in the scout box at Turner. He's relaying weaknesses of the opponents defenses. Lovey can't see it from the field and Grossman can't see it because his linemen are huge. The Bears get something going and then they go away from it. i.e. Cedric Benson running over people. Maybe Ron Rivera should take over the offense play calling. I vote for neither. Rex needs a better play selection and Greise needs some snaps under game conditions. Instant miracles are not going to happen changing the quarterback. They'll happen changing the offensive co-ordinator.
Rex is not the quarterback that will take the Bears to the superbowl. He is another Cade McNown, a bust.
Lovie should just put Greise in, just like he puts in Cedic, another bust. Greise has the experience to play quarterback. And he will actually will win the playoff games to get them to Miami, (Superbowl).
FANS...TAKE THE PRESURE OFF REX..GIVE HIM SOME FRESH AIR. I FEEL HE NEEDS TO GO OUT AND PLAY THE GAME..HARD AND TOUGH THE WAY ITS MENT TO BE. I HAVE ALREADY WON MY FRIST BET IN VEGAS {THE PLAY OFFS} NOW GO FOR THE RING.
Brian Griese. I did not believe Rex was the right QB for this team at first because he has never played a healthy full season. Now I believe he doesn't have the mentality to be a patient and accurate QB in the NFL. It's a shame because he does have a quick release and throws a decent deep ball. The Bears need a QB that can eat up TOP with a controlled passing game an no turnovers. From what I've seen of Griese in the past, he can do this.
Brian Griese. I did not believe Rex was the right QB for this team at first because he has never played a healthy full season. Now I believe he doesn't have the mentality to be a patient and accurate QB in the NFL. It's a shame because he does have a quick release and throws a decent deep ball. The Bears need a QB that can eat up TOP with a controlled passing game an no turnovers. From what I've seen of Griese in the past, he can do this.
Two Words: Brian Griese. However, lets not forget what the young grasshopper has done for us. Rex is a young guy and (god/injuries willing) has a long career and opportunities at his finger tips. I belive with his current performance record, tack one vote up for the verteran. In this situation, Rex should be next to Kyle taking notes. No tears Rex, all athletes have good days and bad days. As of right now, you're just not "in the groove". As an athlete, I promise, it will come back. Until it does, please do Chicago a favor, take yourself out if Lovie wont.
Now, heart is also torn. We are winning games with defense and special teams. Key words: "winning games". Changing one player can throw a whole team off. Sports is a very superstitious world. Do we want to fix what ultimatly is not broken?
Is this for real? Wake up Lovie before this year is a repeat of last year. Give Griese a shot before it's too late. Grossman has been the worst quaterback in the league for the last two months. The defense is the only reason they're still winning. Lovie is starting to look and act like Dusty, blank stares and totally clueless as to the situation. Griese or Grossman? Come on give Griese the ball, he can't do any worse.
I am convinced that it does not matter who starts at QB in Chicago. 50% of the fans will complain about it. Last year at this time we were all complaining about the lack of offense and awaiting the return of Rex to provide a spark. Now the spark has fizzled (I hope only temporarily) and we want to return to the dull offense. Careful what you wish for with Greise, he is not the "pro-bowl" quarterback everybody thinks he is. He also has had a longstanding problem with protecting the football.
Oh, by the way I stick with Rex and put my energy in supporting him and the team. Fans that criticize a 10 - 2 division champion team will only create problems. Why would you change the entire dynamic of the team at this point? Put your faith in Rex, he is here to stay whether you like it or not and this is not fantasy football. Dividing the locker room is all you will accomplish with this...
Life is full of bumps in the road. Rex is going through one of those times, but he has also shown himself to be an incredibly resilient person. Let us not forget what he has been through in his first two seasons. And after this really down time in his career this kid is going to come back stronger and more determined than ever to right the ship. By the end of the year, all this will be just some more flapping by the over exhilarated media. He’ll be fine the bears will be super bowl champions and this controversy will only be a foot note to the season.
Floyd R
Griese. It is not right to keep an ineffective quarterback in just because you want to justify a draft pick. This stopped being about football a long time ago.
How many teams has Greise played for? Has he been a savior any place else? Why was he available to begin with? Let Grossman play. Last fall he was the savior as a rookie as far as playing time is concerned. Let's hope tight ends and medium range passes are in the plan this week.
Obviously, the Bears need to start Griese NOW. But I am already insanely afraid that it doesn't matter anymore. The Bears brass have shown that they don't really want to win a super bowl. They want to develop a player, and if a superbowl is borne out of that, then that would be all the better. PRIORITIZATION IS ALL OUT OF WHACK and these guys are living in the twilight zone.
Bears should definitely start Griese. All that Grossman has proved is that he occasionally has phenomenal days against bad teams and that will not cut it in the playoffs. Griese has made a career out of being a turnover free game manager. He started his career at Michigan and had a team with the best defense in the nation. He led them to a national championship, by being efficient and mistake free. By doing the same thing he won in Denver and Tampa (he has also won playoff games). He is tailor made for a team like the Bears. His only fault is that he is not a "leader", however this team has enough character that it doesn't need one. Smith is starting a young player who was a first round pick over a proven veteran, because the young player has more of an upside. If this is his philosophy why wouldn't Smith start Benson ahead of Thomas Jones as well? Smith is doing the exact opposite at the runningback position, than what he is doing at the qb position. The offense should start Benson give him the ball 30 times a game and throw when they need to, with Griese. Not starting your best players right now is just bad coaching. Going deep unnecessarily is Turner's fault, I'm not sure what he is trying to prove that crap will not work in the playoffs. You must establish the run. Start Griese and Benson. Even if Grossman closes the season strong, he has proven that this year he doesn't have what it takes to lead Bears to superbowl. I still think he is the quarterback of the future, but we need to win a superbowl not just a playoff game. If Bears don't make NFC championship Smith should be fired.
hold out with grossman until we clinch home field advantage for superbowl. Ride it out, who knows...by then maybe rex can fix this "problem." I think the idea behind Lovie sticking with grossman is due to more of a mental aspect side of things for rex. Some times when people are down, they need to be embraced, not a slap in the face to bring them down more. If rex doesn't "feel/get better" by the time if and when we clinch home field advantage bring in greise, and see what happens! worse case senario...we're still in the playoffs.
I think Rex has had more than enough opportunities. He needs to be benched for his poor performance. The ball hangs in the air too long when he passes down the field and his short passes are way off. He does not handle the pressure very well at all. Our defense is constantly back onto the field because he turns the ball over so much. Someone on the defense is going to suffer an injury because of Rex.
we need to change QB's at the very latest the next game greise needs some playing time befor the playoffs he is going to be rusty and needs time to get into rythem grossman plays well in the next game and i mean really well or he is out no questions about that one
When every sentient being in the solar
system, with the seeming exception of
the coach, recognizes that Rex has
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unexpressed explanation for Lovie's
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quo. What can it be? Fascinating!
I agree Leave Grossman in! Make NO CHANGES. He was the "Savior" last year and now everyone just wants to pretend he hasn't done anything this year. Every Athlete goes thru a rugh spell.
Accountability is a word that the Bears franchise does NOT seem to understand.
Lovie Smith will be held accountable for playing what will wind up being the worse starting QB in the 2006-07 NFL playoffs. It’s probably going to cost Lovie his job. At the very least, the respect that Lovie has cultivated the past 3 years has FALLEN down the drain along side Rex’s QB performance.
Rex will be held accountable for the Bears having a shot at the Superbowl this year. He will go down is history as the WEAK link to an otherwise extremely talented football team. His lack of pocket presence, lack of footwork, bad reads, and overall lacks attitude is going to cost this team and already has. Rex is basically a 4th year NFL player with high school mechanics.
Ron Turner has NEVER gotten an offensive team to a Superbowl. This year will be no different.
Ron Rivera. This team’s lack of a pass rush stems primarily with the Bears reading their own press clippings. This silly front 4 is all we need to pressure the QB mentality is killing the Bears on defense. Has anyone else noticed how the Bears pressure or lack there of is resulting in players OUT of position to make basic tackles on running plays?
It seems this teams is about to learn a PAINFUL lesson in accountability.
Unfortunately, the FANS will be left holding the bag. Once again.
Rex, unfortunately, suffrs from the "short man's syndrome." Too bad, for he's a nice guy and can throw the bullet when he can see his receiver. But in a league of giants breathing in his face, he will not make it -- especially if he cannot scramble out of the pocket. I would bring in a wiser, tested and truer Griese.
We're all being duped...and Lovie is a genius...just wait and see, come playoff time all this "practice" we're doing on offense will pay off. I see Des Clark back, Devin in the line up, and Ced running the ball...no one is gonna know what hit them in the playoffs. We win...mark my words
Let's give Griese a shot. How could he possibly do any worse? Throw for a 0.0 QB rating?! Also, Lovie loves to say we are 10-2 with Rex at quarterback. If you take away the 3 or 4 games that the defense and special teams have won for the Bears and now they are 7-5 in the middle of the wild card chase. Is Rex still Lovie's guy? I think not.
Griese. No question. Rex's last game was the worst performance by a winning NFL quarterback in three decades. Thats a fact, check it out. The last quarterback to fare worse and still emerge victorious was Norm Snead (3-for-14, 26 yards, two interceptions, 0.0 rating) with the New York Giants in 1976.
If we flush this season because of all of the Rex appologists, I will be pissed! 21 years people!
Why is Dusty Baker not in chicago anymore? It surprises me that in any other situation, there would be no debate. Not sure what 18 turnovers in 7 games looks like to anyone else but crap!
Rex gives us the best chance to win? Well, I guess wait until next year.
Its a joke and the nation is laughing at us. I think this sends a bad message to the rest of the team who needs to play at a top level to keep their jobs. Lovie Smith and Jerry Angelo should take a look around cuz they might be moving soon. Remember everyone, Tampa Bay won AFTER the Jerry show left.
I have no confidence in Rex Grossman. His early-season brilliance has been replaced by consistent deer-in-the-headlights ineptness. Coach Lovie Smith claims he has a plan to fix what’s broken. Yeah?...well, so did John Kerry, and we all know what happened to him. Perhaps Mr. Smith should take a military approach as a commanding general; if your major gun is misfiring in the face of the enemy, replace it immediately with one that works so that your side (or team) will win the battle. A 10-2 record means nothing in the critical post-season if the QB can’t do his job because he’s in a slump. Put in an immediate replacement who will get the job done and lead the Bears to victory. King Rex now plays like an unsure scared rookie while Coach Lovie wears blinders and believes that staying the course is the way to go. The only way Lovie’s going with this folly approach is downhill.
I wish I had that many time to screw up on my job with out getting fired so I say it time to sack the bad Rex. If Lovie continues being stubborn he might lose respect for his team and you don’t cut down the whole tree for one bad apple. In the spirit of democracy let the voting begin and let’s not have any hanging cads.
It shall be proven in the postseason that Lovie Smith is in fact a genius for sticking with Grossman. Alone I have figured out that the defense and Rex are working together under Lovies orders to keep games close. Sort of "playing possum" till the post season, then unleashing an offensive fury amongst the opposition. Although it kills me, as a Cowboys fan, I predict the Bears winning the Superbowl in the most lop sided contest ever played.
I would start Rex in the 1st half, but if he doesn't prove himself then he should be pulled for Griese. It's not worth losing the game just to give him a chance.
I would also start Rex in the first half and give him about 2 possessions, and if he fails, that's it. Put Griese in. Cade mcNown could do a better job than Grossman is doing. Then I would trade him at the end of the year. He deserves his walking papers.
Lovie needs to start excepting the reality that is Rex Grossman and stop living in that perception that is 10-2. Fine you clinched the division ( love the new shirts ) ... but what about the superbowl? can we Chicagoans get a taste of that again? I don't know what bothers me more, either the man crush lovie has on Rex or the fact that after so many abysmal performances he will not even give Brian Griese a couple of snaps. I hope that with the few games we have left in the regular season they let the guy get some action. The defense that we have is awesome! but you can't put all that pressure on them every week and miracles wont always be there when you need them (I.e. Arizona) At some point the offense will have to start carrying it's own weight and the man responsible for operating that offense should be held accountable for his actions or lack of.
A split ballot here. My son, age 10, thinks the Bears should give Griese a try. Why not see what he can do, he reasons. Me? I think I stick with Rex. Dance with who brung ya. I wasn't happy they dumped Orton for Rex last year after Kyle won 10 games, and I don't think Rex should be dumped now.
I say give Rex one more game and if he blows it this week, indoors and warm where he supposedly will play better.(Florida QB)Then kick him to the curb and bring in Griese.
For those calling for Lovies Head, well you must know by now that he's not calling the shots on this QB situation. Call JA he drafted Rex and it's his tail on the line now.
Im sick of all this talk about this is Rexs' first real season and to give him time. Does anyone realize that we cannot rely on the defense and special teams to bail us out every game.We have a great chance to get to the Super Bowl this year,I wouldnt wanna see that chance messed up because of the sub par play of Rex Grossman.At the very least we should give Griese a shot against Tampa Bay and see what happens.
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All this talk about who is the starter who cares! Grossman is the starter, help him try to get his confidence back and if he struggles again we need to see what Griese can do. The Bears have an easy schedule the rest of the year so why not start preparing for the playoffs and get Griese some playing time anyway. What if Grossman goes down with an injury?
In the instances where you classify Rex as having a "good" game, it seems to be his teammates making all the plays. When he makes a risky throw into triple coverage and his recievers are having a good day, Rex looks like a genius, but in reality he is the same Rex, just luckier that day.
I don't consider myself a bears fan, but as I am from Illinois, i have to support them. Make the switch now, and the team will have time to acclimate with Brian before playoffs begin.
I think that since the Bears have already clinched the North, Lovie Smith should play Rex in the first half and Brian in the second for the remaining games on this schedule and get them both ready for the playoffs; this would give the staff the opportunity to get both quarterbacks rolling and get some rhythm going into the postseason. Make the call based upon who's playing better and minimizing mistakes in the time they are given.
I would start Griese because Grossman as every Bears fan knows is just to inconsistant and maybe sitting for a game would do him some good. Because right now I do not believe that with Rex Grossman as the Bears QB he cannot lead them deep into the playoffs. If we were able to put Grossman in when Kyle Orton was winning then why can't we do it again?
Play Grossman. There's less pressure now that the Bears have clinched the division, and what he needs most is the time to develop. The reason there is a QB controversy this year at all is not because Griese is a savior, but because REX showed us how good this team can be when the offense is playing at the level of the defense and special teams.
I hate to admit it, but I do agree with coach Smith. BUT, someone has to tell Rex that he has to look off receivers and check the rest of the field. The other teams can see it when they look at the tapes of the Bears games and they know they can defend the pass by watching Grossman watch his intended receiver. It's easyto tell where the pass is going and the defenders know it. Rex has to learn from his mistakes. He is not! He has the talents needed to be a great quarterback but he hasn't learned to correct his mistakes. Find out how to get through to him before it's too late. Griese is a good quarterback but it's almost too late to get him involved in the offensive scheme of the game and I don't think he has the leadership that could carry the team through the playoffs. Rex might not be able to also, but he needs a lot of working with if we are to be the Super Bowl Champs this year. Next year is NOW!
It appears that just winning the division is good enough for Lovie and the Bears. What a waste. Grossman CANNOT play at this level. It's plain and simple. I've been saying this for 4 years and counting.
I say Grossman...He has lived up to his name, but you know, they are 10-2, point blank. Every team has their weakness. Weather it be D or O. Lets not look at all the wrong and look at what they do right. Team effort wins the game and since the O has not stepped up, the D and special teams has taken the Bears on their shoulders. Rex will start and Rex will git her done!! He is their leader.
start grossman but for the sake of bear pride bench him when he starts giving the game away . He is blind to his own mistakes.
How many games does he have to play before he sees
that his team mates are not
the ones catching the pass.
I would like to see Griese
get a chance at the QB spot.Maybe then Grossman will see how to pass .
Staying with Rex is a Got's To Do situation. He is clearly the most talented QB the Bears have. Griese is average at best. If Rex continues to stuggle badly the next to weeks, then the move can be made to Griese. He will only need a couple of games too get up to speed. Also, anyone who thinks Lovie Smith is a poor coach and idiot should be allowed to call themselves a Bears fan. For those that truely know football and love the Bears as I do, we know that Lovie is a great coach. 2 years - 2 division championships ... Enough said.
In every other position, the coaches would have not hesitated to take out a non-performing individual and put in an alternative. Competition makes people better, and Rex has felt no consequence for his lousy play. The D and special teams are exquisite but they too will tire. Give Griese a chance to warm-up and improve before Grossman goes down with an injury or worse yet 'throws' our first round victory away.
Damn. All the mechanics,construction workers,bus drivers,cab drivers,policemen, nurses and various others now know how to change the fortunes or misfortunes of an NFL team. It's Chicagoans so I'm not surprised. Comparing Lovie to Dusty is low and speaks of a narrow mind. Dusty was losing and had been losing for several years. Lovie has done the opposite and if I recall we just won our 10th game in 12 tries. Fire me if I'm so inept but I think I'd end up with another job faster than you'd find another successful coach. Let's be realistic. We are not losing so it bears waiting it out somewhat. You guys are so used to losing that you're ready to stop coming to the games and forfeiting the last 4 games because you're so dissatisfied. Losing opens a Pandoras Box way more than winning so I'm surprised that it's opened so wide. Rex is looking like crap. No ifs, and or buts about it. But if the team that suit up in the locker room and spill blood on the field isn't concerned why should we be. Give it more time. If we're losing fine. Make the change but give it more time. Brad Johnson didn't fare much better than Rex and no one would expect a great game manager to implode as bad as he did. Our D is great but we have time on our side. Maybe not the guy who found out that he has two weeks to live. But if none of you are that guy,give it a little more time. The season isn't over if Rex looks like bigger crap on Monday. I don't know why it feels that way but to some it does. I wanna try something from Bad Boys 2:Grab each ear on the tip-pull slightly and say"WOO-SA" whenever you get the urge to throw something at the thought of Rex being the starting QB. Works for me.That said,GO BEARS!!!
Both... See how Rex does to start off the game. Evaluate his performance and if his interseptions are up and/or his persentage of thrown/complete is below 50% lets see what Griese can do for us to start the second half. Whoever we go with.... play smart and DONT TURN THE BALL OVER.
Rex'em? He's nearly killing 'em! Come on now... This fact that there is a decision to make here is more absurd than purchasing K-Fed's pending new book! It's time to Grease up the Bears offense.
Griese now or not at all this season. Give Griese four games to get confortable before the Playoffs.If you don't start him now, forget it.It isn't fair to him, later.
Rex is the Bears QB. He's basically a rookie and has to learn somewhere, sometime. He's in a slump but wil pull out of it if everybody would just get off his back.
Griese should start [and to
be fair to him] prior to the playoff's.He's a proven pro bowl quarterback.
Grossman is too short to adequatley find his receivers and winds up making poor decisions.
The shotgun would probably
help him some,however the Bears pass on this formation.
I think Angelo is behind all of this,how many times
have Bear Fans seen his first round picks force fed
as starters and where are most of them now!!!!!
LOOK,ONCE AGAIN THE DEFENSE IS SO GOOD IT WINS THE GAMES THE OFFENSE DONT PARTICPATE IN..WHICH IS NOT THE OFFENSE FAULT ITS REX'S FAULT.WATCH THE GAMES,ARE WE ALL BLIND.
IT DOES A HEART GOOD TO SEE LOVIE HAVING THE WHOLE TEAM STANDING BEHIND A FRESHMAN QUARTERBACK.
ONE NOTE TO LOVIE AND THE BEARS......
WE LOVE YOU LOVIE,BUT WE WATCH THE BEARS TO SEE THEM WIN,NOT STAY WITH A
BEGINNER TO MAKE HIM FEEL AT HOME..
THE FANS AND THE DEFENSE DESERVE A WINNERQUARTERBACK......
AND A SUPER BOWL,PLEASE,PLEASE,DONT WAIT TOO LONG.
HE'LL BE BETTER NEXT YEAR,GIVE CHICAGO A WINNER.
PLEASE!
Let Lovey run the team his way without all the Monday morning quarterbacks trying to do his job. He get paid to do what he knows to be the best in the long run and he has got us where we are today. Its his Ass not yours if it doesn't work. Ask Dusty!
I am getting more frustrated with Lovie Smith on a daily basis. His completely blind faith in Rex Grossman is going to cost both of them their jobs. Rex has "hit the wall" and needs to be replace. Did anyone really believe he was going to lead us to victory when we got the ball back against New England with 2 minutes left in the game? I think Phillip Rivers learned an awful lot sitting on the bench behind Drew Brees.
For his own good, Rex Grossman needs to be watching Brian Griese lead this team to a couple of victories.
I say stick with Rex and start him against St. Louis. I've been a strong Rex supporter and I believe he is a good QB, but if he struggles in the 1st half, maybe what he really needs is a sit down to collect himself again and get his head on straight. Truthfully, I do not believe Griese is the answer to all of our prayers, but we are in too go of a position to lose everything on a QB that doesn't have his head on right at the moment.
Griese. Definitely. He's got the experience and the ability. Just cut Rex and get it over with. Griese is the guy who should be leading the Bears now and for years go come.
I really think that the fans calling for Rex to be benched are being impatient. He's been injured for the past few seasons, and is still in a developmental phase of his career as a result. Despite the fact that he has been constantly hurt in the past, he has shown (at times) why the team felt he's potentially been worth waiting for. The Bears have made the playoffs and with a weak schedule will win home field advantage. Why not give Rex the opportunity to gain valuable experience over the next couple of games? We've waited this long... a little longer won't hurt the Bears any worse than they've hurt themselves already. At least Greise is waiting in the wings this time around just in case. Relax everybody!
Keep Hex-nossman out of the line up. I'm not sure who has the power to pressure Lovie into leaving Mr. 1.3 QB rating on the field. This team has the capability of blowing every team in the league out. Will someone please inform Lovie Smith that it's ok to play "field position football" with a defense as good as ours. In fact ponder the proposition that no Bears quarterback throw more than 2 passes over 20 yards per half. The RAIDERS running game isn't that anemic that it necessitates allowing a so-called quarterback with putrid decision-making skills and worse throwing mechanics to attempt LITERALLY "throwing" the game away.
Griese. Everybody in Chicago seems to beleive that this is THE YEAR that the Bears can actually get to and win the Super Bowl. But not many think that will happen with Rex as quarterback. Griese is a proven vet and is better suited to lead this team to a championship. Grossman is still young and still "learning", so no harm would be done making him wait and watch Griese lead us to the promise land.
Griese can't do much worse than Rex is doing. Its the defense and special teams that have gotten us this far. Griese can only make us better and give a shot a playing a second playoff game.
I agree with Lovie Smith; Rex Grossman is my starting quarterback with a 10-2 record. But since the Bears have guaranteed their division, they should make sure that the player who leads that "potent" offense doesn't get hurt before the playoffs and play Griese. Protect Rex, play Griese! Keep him safe from injury and a 1.3 rating.
Ken Dermer
Skokie, IL
Let Griese play. Rex shows weekly, he can't be counted on. The DEFENSE is coming through week after week. IF Griese doesn't do well enough, THEN put Rex back in. Don't just wait for the play-offs and then it's too late. Let's see what Griese can do for a game or two. Hopefully without losing home field through out the play-offs.Then we can see who's up for a play-off experience. We seen what a Rex Grossman can do in the post-season, let's try Griese.
Don't let the sportswriters run the team. Remember who brought you to the dance, and don't leave them at the door for someone else. We're blessed with 3, yes 3, good quarterbacks on the Bears. You shouldn't see Griese until the Bears have home field advantage locked up. Last year, the Bears decided to bench Orton just before the playoffs after he went 8-3, a move I was against. Now history is repeating itself with Grossman, and I'm opposed to that move too. A quarterback needs to establish a rhythm with his recievers, and that doesn't happen in a week or two. Keep Rex and wait until home field advatage is ours, then work Griese as well as others on offense, to prepare everyone for the Super Bowl run.
these grade school offensive game plans by ron turner sets rex up for failure. there is no imagination offensively AT ALL. a misdirection run? a screen pass? just an occassional imaginative pass route? there will be no super bowl if this continues even if john elway was quarterbacking.
NOW THAT THE BEARS HAVE WON THIER DIVISION
THIS WOULD BE A GREAT TIME TO GIVE GRIESE A GO AT IT
AND LET HOW HE DOES WITH THE LAST FEW GAMES DETERMINE WHO'S THE MAN
The team and the fans deserve a chance to win it all. Rex is not doing the job.Although he may be the quarterback of the future for the Bears the future is right now. We have the defense, special teams, and offense if properly handled to win it all. If Rex were to get hurt, which isn't a strech, our year shouldn't be over because our back up hasn't gotten any snaps, get him in there! Let Griese try and manage the team with the experience he has and carry us on to the Super Bowl!!
I thank Lovie and Grossman should go if Lovie let him mess up our chance to win a superbowl because clearly Grossman is not the one to do it for us Brian is
Give Griese some work. Tell Rex he is still the man. It couldn't hurt Rex to step back for a game or 2. Anyone who knows anything about sports realizes the 10-2 record is more a reflection of the competition than the Bears overall team play.
A Quarter Back cant possibly play any worse than Rex has so I dont think starting Griese would hurt things. However, the Bears have commited their future to the development of Rex. If he doesnt become who we once thought he was, we will be doomed at that position for seasons to come. Given our conference standings I think we should stick with trying to develop Rex for now. But I wouldnt be at all surprised if he blew the defenses post season for them, and they deserve a ring.
Rex Grossman is basically in his rookie season, due to previous injuries that basically cost him a couple of seasons of experience. I think if he cannot pull it together for Monday Night Football, Lovie ought to put Griese in. If Rex is a true professional, he will see it is for the good of the team. Sure the defense keeps us in games, but what happens if we need to come from behind? The defense can only do so much before they may take a stumble or two. Depending on the next games' performance by Rex, make a decision.
Rex has played in every game. Some bad, some good and some terrible. I would keep playing him. The team supports him and so does Lovie. If things go bad in St. Louis, I would consider bringing in Brian. He needs some snaps just "in case" Rex needs backup. I would also play the starters for most of the last 4 games. Look at what happened in Minnesota last year when they didn't play.
Angelo has already ruined 2 seasons by not getting us a back up now they are going to ruin a 3rd because they are obsesssed with Grossmann being the "guy" . Lovie can still save face by letting Grossmann start and letting Greise play the second half of the remaining games. Then make an evaluation come playoffs!!!!
I think part of blame has to go to Ron Turner. He should pull the reins back a bit on Rex and let the running game, the defense, and the special teams win games for them. Remember when the Bears clinched the Division last Christmas at Green Bay? Rex made a few plays but didn't over-do it. He doesn't have to put up 250 yds plus for this team to win.
First of all, for those who think Brian Griese is not a better quarterback than Gross!!! Man!!! are idiots. Secondly, Griese didn't fail in Tampa Bay, he was let go for salary cap purposes. He had led a Tampa Bay team who with an aging number one defense(bears finished 2nd)to a 5-1 record before he was hurt for the season. Ask Tampa Bay if they would like a mulligan for letting Griese go. The year before he threw 27 TD's. He has one of the highest career Quarterback ratings in a season in the history of the NFL(106). Brian's CAREER passing rating is 84.5, you don't get that by being a bad quarterback 9 seasons in the NFL. This guy is the ultimate game manager who is waiting for a chance to play with a defense like this. When he was at Michigan he led them to a championship not only managing the game but KNOWING WHEN TO GO DEEP! He out played Rex in the preseason and if he get's a chance to play he will make every naysayer look foolish including Mike Shanahan and his ego which led for his departure in Denver. It's a shame the Bears are playing politics in football because We as Bears fans deserve a superbowl and the only way that is going to happen is if the bears start Brian Griese and Cedric Benson and forget about who the players like and are buddies with. Brian & Cedric wasn't brought in to be Olin Kruetz and Mushin Muhammad's bowling buddies, their here to win a superbowl.
Let Grossman start on the bench against St. Louis. Griese still needs a chance to work off the rust (just in case Rex loses it physically as well as mentally). While they are at it, maybe Turner should take the day off too. He wasn't any great shakes with the Bears before nor at Illinois. His level of "aggressive plays" are not matched by any great degree of intelligence.
Rex has been a WINNER for every team he has played for up to the Bears. Takes time to make it in the NFL. HE WILL BE IN THE HALL OF FAME! Mark my words.
With four games left, give the ball to Grossman the next two. If he excels his game, let the fate of this year ride with him. If he continues "Cade McClowning" around, bench his ass and give Griese two starts to get ready for the playoff run.
John F, Rich K, you guys got it. First of all... Rex is the starting quarterback. He's is young, and he is making young quarterback mistakes. I know he is coming in behind a lon gline of top notch chicago quaterbacks, but give the guy a chance. One game he throws a 40yard pass it's great the next time he does the same thing gets a inteception and now its a bad choice. we all know he can throw the ball. the Bear's messed up when they diverged from their running. Last season eveyone in the world even if they didn't play football knew what the bears' M.O. was run the ball chew up clock, and let the defense handle the rest. they won games with that formula, it worked. This year eveyone wants to throw the ball all the time. (live by the pass die by the pass) had they came out running early in the season that would open up the game for the pass, eliminating defenses being able to calculate the predictable Bears gameplan. Why did thomas Jone get up the field that one special draw play, because everyone knew a pass was coming. Now that our running game is starting to pick up a little steam, i think that will help eliminate some of the passes that rex needs to make, it will force defenses to play the run and not expect passes all the time which will open up passing lanes for rex. One other note... the kid's been throwing interceptions since he came in late last season. a lot of games this season he has had balls up their that could've been taken, it's just that now teams are catching those balls. So if you didn't complain then, don't start crying about a change now. If you really think the bears can win a championship, with a 9yr 4 dif. team back-up QB, who was cut by every team he played for, has had knee injuries as well, and also threw for just as many interceptions as touchdowns in two different seasons as well as almost broke 20 interceptions, then i have a great used car for you to buy as well. Rex is the guy, he has the team on his side, and he has real fans of the bears on his side. Anyone who watches a replay can see who's open, but when you're on the field you have to make snap decisions that is something that can be fixed, let them fix the problem. Let the young QB grow. And for everyone that's complaining about the defense doing so much work, (that's what defenses do), they take away the ball, they create turnovers, great defenses score off of turnovers. So while it may frustrating that our offense turns the ball over, our defense is doing what it is supposed to, i don't recall a bears championship due to outstanding offense, and mediocoredefense does anyone else???
WHO IS TO SAY THE BEARS SHOULD DEPEND ON A SINGLE QUARTERBACK; ROTATE THEM! JUST KEEP THE DEFENSE THE SAME. BY THE WAY, WHY HASN'T MUCH BEEN SAID ABOUT THE BEAR'S COACHING WHEN THEY WERE DEFEATED TWO WEEKS AGO WITH NO TIME-OUTS IN THE FINAL TWO MINUTES?
Oh yeah playing against 2nd-defenses is really showing what cha got... Yeah he had a great start with Tampa, but didn't he have a good start with Denver as well, he is a career back-up, nothing wrong with that, just understand thats his role, back-ups play when things are going wrong, if 10-2 is wrong then what's right???? they way some of you are arguing griese should've started the season, then we really could've seen why this is his fourth team... hey who knows maybe he got his act together, but iguess the other teams that were lining up to snatch him as their god-send back-up didn't have enough money.
Rex is just too small to be successful on a consistant basis. He has small hands and cannot see down field over the offensive linemen. Thats why he throws so many picks. For him to be successful he needs to be in a shotgun so he can see down field as he does not roll out very well.
ive been a Bears fan my whole life, and i figured one thing out. There is no loyalty in this City. 2 months ago he was the MVP now hes a goat. Let him play, he will get the job done. Hes a star in the making
If you try something that doesn't work and you try it again and again and it still doesn't work, somewhere along the line you have to give up and try something else. Brian Griese deserves a chance to be the Bears quarterback.....our only hope to get to the Super Bowl!!!!
Grossman is the way to go... Greise might be a short term solution but there is a reason why he is a back-up. Grossman needs the chance to mature, he has shown he is capable of doing great things. Back him up and stop being fair weathered fans! GO GROSSMAN, JONES, LOVIE and the rest of the squad!!!
I belive that Griese should be given more time to play now before the playoffs. This will ensure that he's ready to play when he is needed. Now is the time to play him, to see what he can do, and give Grossman some time to think about what he has or hasn't accomplished as QB. He is no Jim McMahon and should forget about the bombs for now.
REX!
Come-on all you experts, stop thinking you know everything. What did Peyton Manning look like at the beggining of his career? Or Favre? They all sucked, but with time they fine tuned their abilities and turned into superstars. If you can't see the potential of Rex Grossman then you don't have a clue on how the game is played. Instead of booing you shold be shouting words of encouragement. With 4 games left in the season and a 10-2 record this is the best time to be in a slump. Soon as Rex starts taking advantage of how the defenses are playing him, you will see the superstar emerge. He has 4 games left to get it figured out. I have confidence that he can do it.
Just like little mainstream media liberals, you whiners who HATE BUSH now HATE REX!! You should all move to Tampa Bay and boo the Bucs, and leave this 10-2 team alone, they are going to the Super Bowl! So please leave town if you whiners dont like the Bears QB and their 10-2 record, and take Mariotti and all the Sun Times little whiner writers with ya! Bears vs. Chargers in Super Bowl 41!
I think Lovie (and don't think for a moment that Jerry Angelo isn't in his ear) is putting the interests of one player ahead of the entire team. Rex might be good in the future but he's not good right now. If Griese can come in and be a "game manager" then the Bears have a real shot(Remember Trent Dilfer and the SUPERBOWL CHAMPION Ravens of 2000?). The rest of this team is incredibly good and it would be a horrible feeling (remember the 1986 season?) to have the best team in the NFL and walk away without the trophy.
The real question here is not who should be quarterbacking the Bears, but who should be the Head Coach; Me or Lovie? You or Lovie? Mike Mulligan or Lovie?
I think Lovie Smith is a better choice than me to be the Bears' Head Coach. I also prefer him to any particular Sun-Times reader or writer.
If Lovie thinks Rex Grossman should be the quarterback, I'm with Lovie. If Lovie decides it's time to make a quarterback change, I'm with Lovie. With no apolgies to the panic- stricken individuals with the by-lines, he is the most qualified person to know if and when it's the right time to make such a change.
Start Rex and if he does poorly, replace him with Griese in the second half. In addition, start Griese for the following week game. However, I am not in favor of replacing Rex completely for the rest of the season. If Rex is a true competitor, sitting there on bench and watching Griese perform should light the fire under him and hopefully get Rex fired up again. What's with all the talk recently about Rex not been able to see over the line? He had no problem in Sept. when he was hot. Did Rex suddenly got shorter or the opposing linemen suddenly grew over a course of a couple of months?
I think they should keep Grossman because he did very well in the first few games. All him doing bad is a lapse of discipline. He'll get over it. Putting Griese might kill the Bears.
Grossman - He is not going to get better from the sidelines. If we drafted him with the intentions of making him "The Bears QB", then we have to follow all the way through on the project. Once we see there is no way that he will get better, then we can pull the plug!
Griese definitely. All Grossman does these days is talk, talk, talk. He's acting too cocky for what he's been producing. If it weren't for the Big D, the Bears wouldn't be winning! PLEASE, for the sake of the fans and all Chicago, play Griese!
Look he may be making some bad descisions as of late but how many teams are 10-2 under a quarterback that's in his full first?
Also we seem to putting all the blame on Grossman. The running game hasn't been too hot. Are we saying bringing Adrian Peterson will change the running game? What about te receivers? Are they getting open and giving Rex a opening? What abut the offensive line, are they giving Rex enough time in the pocket? We can't just assume that putting in Griese is goning to turn everything around. Also look at their opponents as of late. They played the Giants who had won their last 5. They played the Jets as well who aren't exactly a pushover team and finally they played the Patriots who may just be the team they play if they make the Superbowl. Look if you want Griese to play so bad, then hope he plays incredible in the upcoming weeks since most of the starters are going to be benched. Grossman is the quaterback.
Grossman should start the game against St. Louis just to see if he can bounce back from Sunday's dismal performance. Regardless of how well (or poorly) he does Griese needs to get some playing time in each of the last four games. There is a high probability that Grossman will perform badly in the first playoff game. I would hope Griese would be able to take some reps with the first team prior to making a switch when it really matters. On a side note, Lovie commented that he's seen Rex do some really great things earlier this season and that's why he's confident he can still perform. This is not valid in my opinion. It seems that he's forgotten teams were putting NO PRESSURE on Rex up until the Arizona game. Now that's all teams are doing and Rex is definitely not handling it. I really don't think he's going to learn how to handle it in the next four games either.
There is a lot of good dialogue out there. I moved to Wisconsin 18 years ago and have suffered at the hands of these "Cheeseheads" since. But I also remember how I ribbed my new friends because they kept sticking with this young trade from the Falcons who was throwing more interceptions than cheese hats were in the stadium. Well...
The Bears have to stick with Grossman. He's the future at QB, and the future is now for this team. He's been awful for more than a month, agreed, and getting worse every week it seems after this latest lowlight. But remember back to the post-game reaction after Grossman was hurt at Minnesota two seasons ago. Olin Kreutz's comments stuck with me the most. The Bears felt they lost more than just their starting QB that day, but their leader on offense. Grossman brings more to the Bears than his numbers, no matter how shaky they've become. He brings a presence at the position that has been missing for too long. Remember back to last January, too -- the Bears would have been humiliated by Carolina in the playoffs had it not been for Grossman's very solid performance as the pass defense fell apart. We've waited a long time for a QB like Grossman, and Bears fans should stand behind him.
My first reaction after watching the debacle on Sunday was to bench Rex immediately. Given Lovie Smith's lack of emotion and lack of attempting something different with a QB who has been figured out by most teams in the league I now feel that a change must be made. Griese is not proven and may just be as bad as Rex has been. But, he is a veteran and knows more than Rex does. He can handle the pressure and I do think the tag "Savvy Veteran" is one we can place on him. His demeanor with handling the media and the fans is exemplary. I have a feeling this will lead to on the field play as well.
I would sit Rex and let him take some time off. Not turning this into a QB controversy, just let Rex clear his mind and regain his composure and confidence. It's not a bad idea to let him go out and blow off some steam at a bar or some other venue. Let's see what the savvy vet can do. We most likely will need him in the playoff run, hoping there is more than a one and done.
Bench Rex for this game.
I say the Bears should allow Rex the full sixteen game season to see if he can succeed. Next year it should be an open competition for starting quarterback, based on the fact he would have had a 16 game opportunity to succeed.
If however the Bears reach the playoffs and he continues to perform poorly, then he should be replaced because too much will be at stake.
I think Rex should continue to be the starter, Unfortunately, he will be pulled during a Playoff game should he continue to perform poorly. I just hope Greise is ready to step up and deliver! If he fails Lovie, will never live it down, for not starting him sooner.
Stick with Rex until he has a bad playoff first Quarter. Reason being is that he can do more things well to help the team win, especially in the vertical passing game. That in itself is a dimension other teams really can't defense. The receivers in general play better when he is on the field. Lastly if a change is made and it backfires Grossman's play may drop further.
I preface this by saying that I have never been a Rex fan. Start Griese. Lets look at this. When Kyle Orton was playing last year people were clamoring for a different quarterback because his ratings were so low. What was the rating for Rex on Sunday? 1.3? Worst QB rating since they started tracking that stat 30 years ago. If Kyle Orton did that he would have been on the bench immediately. Rex is not the QB of the future. The way people talked about him last year you would have thought he was the next Joe Montana. He is not even the next Bob Avellini. He is either a mental midget or a stubborn fool. In his defense he is not the only problem on the offense, why the coaching staff allows him to throw deep balls in sundays weather is beyond me. A change must be made because the defense will be worn out by the time the playoffs start if this offense remains offensive.
The bears have done absolutely amazing, DESPITE Grossman. Amagine how the 10-2 record would look if we had a quarterback who didn't throw 3 interceptions a game. I'm not saying Griese is better or worse, but if your starting pitcher continues to have problems and is giving up to many homeruns, then it's time for some relief. If Griese doesn't throw touchdown passes, but also doesn't throw more than 2 interceptions, then he's doing a better job than Grossman; the defense is winning the games anyways.
Only someone who has never played the game successfully would suggest changing QBs on a team with a 10-2 season record. Get over yourself and start talking about how WELL the Bears are playing as a team.
Griese. As much as I see Grossman as an awesome player, lately he's been doing a poor job at doing anything offensively. If Lovie could possibly agree to this, start Grossman in the first half. If he can't produce anything offensively except for handing the ball of correctly, let Griese start the 2nd half. He's a veteran QB that has had much more experience than Grossman could possibly have by now.
I will stay with Grossman. The Boy needs to plant his foot when he passes and stop tossing ducks. If he would take the hit instead of tossing the ball on one foot . No More int's
I say find the shortest leash imaginable and put Rex on it. The consistent breakdowns during the game are horrible to look at. Griese is a back-up signed for five years; Grossman is in the last year of his contract, i guess Angelo is prepared to make the Bears a laughingstock in the playoffs again for the sake of Grossman's last year with the Bears. Anyone want the Bears to trade up in next year's draft? Anyone for a BIG QB with a strong arm and not afraid to roll outside, Brady Quinn, Anyone?
Leave Grossman. Lovie knows what he's talking about. He's the one being paid to coach the TEAM, not the media or the fans! The BEARS are 10-2. So, what, Rex is having a hard time, but so does everyone and that's why it's a TEAM. Rex had a great start this year and just because he is having a hard time people want him out? NO WAY! Instead of being critical, we should be true fans and support our quarterback,the rest of the TEAM and Lovie, who have brought this Chicago to 10-2.
GO BEARS!!!!
My vote is to stick with Rex. We drafted this kid and he's got to learn, through the good times and the bad. He's confidence is shot because everyone keeps making a big deal about this. Everyone loved him in the beginning because he was doing so well, are we really that bad of fans to turn on our quarterback when he needs us the most? Give the kid a chance, I don't care what anybody says he's still a rookie so he has to learn. We shouldn't even draft a quarterback anymore, we should be like the Oakland Raiders and just pick up all the old veteran quarterbacks because they'll lead us to the promise land right? Look at our history with these veterans, it's just as bad as it is with Grossman so why don't we try something new. Believe in the kid, he is our future. I for one I'm going to support Rex, good times and bad because I am a Chicago Bears fan. Times like these show us what we are made of as fans, I'm not turning my back on this kid or this team. Rex just go out there and play. At least you know you have one loyal fan on your side. Good luck.
Griese! One question; what harm could it do to give Brian Griese some PT? Let Rex sit and watch for a game and try to get out from under the pressure that is helping to keep him down at this point. Recently we have been watching a QB with no self confidence at all. This guy needs some time off. He needs to begin to reevaluate his performance without the pressure to perform on Monday Night Football, one of the most powerful magnifying glasses in all of sports. At the same time Brian Griese, who has the highest career QB rating in Chicago Bears history, needs to get on the field with the starters to try and develop some trust and rhythm with that group. So what if his arm is not as strong as Grossman's and the Bears vertical passing game will be somewhat limited? The name of the game here is "Don't drive the car off the road!" With the Bears D and special teams, which include the best place kicker, the best return man and one of the best punters in NFL, we can give up a bit of arm while throwing down field. It's December and the Bears will probably have home field advantage throughout the playoffs. In December in Chicago you rely on your defense and your running game. That's Bear football and this is Bear weather. Let Griese have a shot at keeping this team from beating itself from the QB position.
Grossman hasn't performed period! Griese has a proven track record of winning - not disgusting ratings under 10.3. Wake up, Lovie Smith, or you'll be replaced by an "unproven" first round draft pick.
With a defense like the Bears a gunslinger is not what you want. Maybe if they had no defense tehn sure throw it all over. This 1985 defense would not have gone to the Superbowl if they had 5 pics a game, period!
I like John F.'s idea - it is fair to Rex as it lets him know that he has a finite period of time to get and keep himself together. If he can't accomplish a satisfactory performance (i.e. no turnovers), then he knows he will be replaced with Griese. None of us can forecast what Griese will do, but it has to be better than a 1.43 quarterback rating.
It's great that Lovie believes in Rex because of the first five games, but in the real world, any employee that performed well for their first five weeks of employment and then had a dramatic decline in performance for the next seven would undoubtably be released at the end of their 90 probation period.
Put Griese in for one game and see how he fits in with the team. He may be better or he may be worse. There are still four games to go. Try it Lovie you might like it.
Gotta go with Griese now or potentially risk another playoff like last year. Grossman is not getting the job done and at this stage of the season we have nothing to lose and potentially much to gain.
i agree with lovie that rex should be the QB.If griese was anygood he would of been the starter
after training camp.If people would look at other QB in the nfl that through int.they would be benching brady,p.manning
The Bears need to stick with Rex. Griese is certainly not this team's long term answer at quarterback, and there is a chance that Rex, in fact, is. Let him hand off to Benson all night.
Rex deserves the chance to correct the problems and should start against the Rams next Monday night. However, if no improvement is apparent by half-time, Griese deserves an opportunity to show what he can do. This team needs a descent QB if they are to have any chance in the play-offs and we need to know now if Grossman can do the job or if we have to go in another direction. You can't win a Championship with almost all of your points scored either by special teams or the defense.
The Bears will NOT win the Super Bowl this year with either quarterback. If Griese plays everybody will blame Lovie, saying, "You should have given Rex a chance to get back to his beginning of the season form. If Lovie stays with Rex everybody will lament that Griese would have been our savior. It doesn't matter, the Bears will lose, Lovie will be blamed and sports writers will prosper (can I get a job?). But I think we should stick with Rex, we know he's capable (or has been at one point this season), whereas with Griese it's more of just crossing the fingers.
The best solution? When Rex sucks, he sits. It's that simple. Rex Grossman, when he's on his game, is the best quarterback this city has seen in at least a decade. When he's off his game, he's the worst starting quarterback in the entire NFL.
Bears need to drop that zero and find them a hero or they are headed for doom. Grossman has left much to be desired with his less than mediocre play. He makes senseless turnovers game after game. It’s not a one or a two game slump this man is failing the bears consistently. Not sure how he became a first draft pick but looks like they need to go back to the votes again this man is done. “Lovie� open your eyes and wise up man. Even a blind man can see that Grossman is going to be your destruction... There must be some undercover dealings here, because no coach in their right mind would let Grossman quarterback another day. :(
All the Grossman fans out there are crazy. Right now the Bears are not winning with Grossman; they are winning despite Grossman. With the Bears defense as good as it is, all they need is a quarterback who will NOT turn the ball over 4 times a game. Grossman is not that quarterback; Griese is! Moreover, Griese has had a solid career and looked good in all the action he has seen this year (including preseason). It’s an absolute no-brainer: given the choice between a solid veteran and a gun-slinger who has thrown the second most interceptions in the league and has about the lowest passer rating possible for a starting quarterback, the Bears should go with the solid veteran. The only thing that can STOP the Bears, and their championship defense, from winning the NFC (as opposed to help them win it) is the gun-slinger! In other words, Grossman does not help the team; he only hurts it. Can him, and put in Griese. Griese, Griese, Griese!!!
Maybe, the Bears should bring in Fran Tarkenton or Doug Flutie to help Grossman with throwing over, between, and around the defensive line and linebackers blitzing...if they continue to refuse to put him in the shotgun...
BTW: Are Rex's legs broke? I haven't seen him scramble at all this year. Peyton Manning looks like a horse waiting to be shot and he still scrambles occasionally.
People are talking about Griese as our QB but then what happens next year? It's ok to give Rex another chance then? Because of Grossman's injuries, he is still fairly new. let him play the game. He's going to be great, he's just gotta learn from his mistakes
Lovie said "we are 10 and 2 with Grossman as a starter" and yes its true, but the BEARS are 10 and 2 BECAUSE of the defense, not BECAUSE of Grossman. Grossman is not ready yet to take the team to the Super Bowl.
Lovie, for the team and the BEARS fans, give Griese the chance that he earned with his outstanding performance in the pre-season.
If Lovie was coaching the Cowboys, he would have stuck with Bledsoe and the Cowboys would be 4-8, instead of, in many expert's view, the current favorite to represent the NFC in the Super Bowl.
Lovie's stubborness, short sightedness and blind loyalty to Rex Grossman will surely result in an early exit for the Bears in the post season.
let grossman start. everybody was praising him including the media the first 6 games then he has a slump you guys want to hang him. leave him alone he will be fine. so what if he has that gun slinnger mentality, he is a good QB. what did griese do in denver or the other cities he played for? nothing. he lost in the playoffs with denver one of the best offensive lines and he couldnt do anything. so stop asking for him and keep grossman in the game.
Leave Rex in. It's not all his fault. The O-line has slumped since the begining of the season. Not only is the passing game in shambles, the running game is not too much to brag about in the last couple of games. Furthermore, Greise's record is not that great. With all his experience, has he ever taken a team to the superbowl?
Leave Rex in......let him finish out the season and screw everything up. Then everyone will know for sure that he sucks and the experiment will be over.
He has allways been a bad quarter back for the Bears. It's just our receivers and other teams corner backs made him look good. Even the passes to our wide open recievers are all over the place. Like one announcer said during the game against Min. our Offense could have punted the ball on first down the entire game, and the bears still would have won. I would start Robbie Gould at QB before Grossman!!!! If Rex walks on to the field again this season I wont be watching! I will probably scan my television for an Automobile Informercial or something!!!!!
I was all for keeping Rex in when he started to look bad. I understood the theory behind developing him as a quarterback. But it has become quite obvious to EVERYONE (except, apparently, the coaches) that the first five games of the season were either a fluke -- or simply the product of other teams not having any tape on Rex. This is now an abomination, and I, for one, am sick and tired of losing the first game of the playoffs -- which we are clearly headed towards now. I don't care anymore if Rex is the "quarterback of the future." He is NOT the quarterback of a team that will win in this years' playoffs. And I'm tired of waiting for the future. I want to win now. And a quarterback that has a 1.3 rating (I saw it (heck, I've seen it every week) and still am stunned) is not the quarterback that is going to take us to the Super Bowl. We are the laughing stock of the league right now. Everyone knows we can't face the big boys with Rex at the helm. Bring back Henry Burris, Moses Moreno, anyone -- and we'll have a better shot at progressing in the playoffs. How come the coaches can't see this?
There are two things that I said coming away from attending the Sun Times Family Night at Soldier Field before this season:
1. Hester looks like an awfully good kick returner
2. Griese was a heck of a lot more accurate passing the ball and hitting receivers in stride than Grossman (who in turn was better than Orton).
The Bears have one of the best defenses and special teams units in the league. We don't need a quarterback who can have a rating of 145 one week and 30 the next. We need a quarterback who can consistently deliver a rating between 70 and 110. Brian Griese is that guy.
Rex is the future. Everyone is saying Rex is inexperienced and inconsistent. You know how you fix that? You play him! Rex is the future of the franchise, Greise is not. Lovie is looking at the big picture. The Bears have 4 games against teams with losing records. Let Rex get his groove back and go into the playoffs with confidence. Lovie brought Greise in for one reason, to play if Rex got HURT. Rex is not hurt, he needs reps. For years Chicago has needed a quarterback and now we have one but have to let him develope. This team is young enough that they can be together for a long time, let's not ruin the quarter back by being impatient and rushing him now that he is finally healthy.
I'd give Kyle Orton another chance. The point is he came from one of the most sophisticated passing offenses in the country at Purdue and to base his ability on last year's play when he was a TRUE rookie is absurd. Have some guts!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ok, I'll keep it clean. start grossman monday BUT, if he has one pick, or one fumble, or just plain ain't gettin er done, show him the pine and see what Greise can do. is this better?
When a player is injured they are usually taken out of the game. Grossman is not physical injured( as far as we know) but he's mentally injured (in a slump). This is a team effort not an individual effort game. Let him start the game but if he not at 100% put in Griese.
If the defense is winning the games for us anyway what does it matter who the quarterback is? Oh, maybe its because the coaching staff realizes that they will need offense at some point in the season to win a game. A "game manager" will not win the super bowl and Lovie knows it. Yes, I know the Ravens did it....once in 40 years. I dont have the stats but I'm relatively sure that the rest of the superbowl winners had something that resembled an offense that included the forward pass. Rex gives the offense the best chance to win and he needs to work through this slump now, before the playoffs.
Greise for sure, are the rest of you out of your minds! Grossman can have a bad series or a bad quarter, or bad game, but consistantly having several bad series, and several bad games, c'mon get him outta there.
I say give Grossman 1 series MAX, and if he fails to score get him out ASAP!!!!
Give Griese a chance! If he does worse than Rex, then put Grossman back in. Rex has made it tougher on the defense and they are the only thing that is saving the team. Griese deserves the opportunity since Rex is falling apart!
I think Rex should show us if he is still capibile of not making any mistakes in the first half of his next game and if he can handle the pass rush. If not lets see if Griesse can do something over the next few games left. Sure Lovie has to say Rex is his quarterback, because he was hired to do what his bosses want him to say and do. I don't think it is Lovie's decision 100%. No Superbowl with that kind of quarterbacking and offense. The Vikings game I thought was only good because of the Bears defense and special teams, the offense was disgusting.
Everybody wants to glorify Rex's great plays in the first half of the year. Don't forget how he looked in pre-season, it was a preview for things to come. 3 games he couldn't get his offense to the end zone. Finally, on the 4th game he was able too-Rex drove a "long" 20 yards to score a touochdown . . .his only touchdown out of the 4 games. . .Okay, Rex then came out and showed his "stuff" for the first half-great. But, look at his first half 7 out of the 8 teams have losing records- 7 of them. 7 have LOSING records. . . It's "GREAT" we have a 10-2 record now. . .The playoffs don't have teams with losing records-nor do you get a second chance if you have a "bad" Grossman day. Jerry Angelo, quit holding onto your "draft pick" and allow Lovie to play Griese. I think I speak for alot of fans when I say- we would like to see SUPER BOWL CHAMPIONS, CHICAGO BEARS!!!
I am a "Rex" fan. Sunday's weather was not very ideal for a good passing game for most quarterbacks. Give him the chance to correct and show what he is capable of---a dome game will certainly help. He will be a star when he focuses on the job he has to do again. Hang in there with him!!!
Griese. Because, Rex is not getting it done, he has had enough games to fix it. He is been saying he is going to fix it since the Miami game heck since the Arizona game. Bottom line, the coach and the Bears orginazation owe it to the fans to put Griese in. He gives the Bears their best chance right now. And everyone knows if you are from Chicago that Championship oppurtunities only come once in a life time, LITERALLY!
I would stick with Rex for the first half. If he is handling himself well, keep him in the game. Let him start again next Monday. But, if he is throwing stupid passes that lead to interceptions and fumbling the ball, I would definitely take him out and let Griese prove himself. Rex is after all very inexperienced; he needs to calm down. He did have a few good games and it was very exciting. What bothers me about the Sun Times columnists (in particular, Jay Marlotti)is that they did not believe that Griese was the answer when the Bears acquired him.
I would stick with Grossman for at least 2 more games. He has only had 4 bad games out of 12. He is the future of the Bears - Griese isn't. He needs playing time to correct his flaws.
I say start Rex for the first half on Monday and let him play out his problems. It's a great opportunity against a weak team. If the results are the same, make a change but they can't wait that much longer. With home-field advantage at stake, they can't afford to leave him the starter if, somehow, there's a repeat of Minnesota.
As a wake-up-call to Grossman, I say you start Griese. If he fails, Lovie will be vindicated, the QB controversy goes away, and we can all go back to focusing on the playoffs which have taken a back seat to the Grossman debacle. Defenses obviously have watched film on Rex and have adjusted accordingly. With Griese at the helm, at least opposing teams won't have the ability to view film on him and hopefully that would give our offense a needed edge. At this point I'd be willing to give Orton a shot.
Brian griese is clearly only an injury insurance policy-that's why he's not
even being mentioned . People are always ready to feed to quarterback to the
wolves here in chicago. Rex will be ok-stick with him
REX!!
STOP HATING BANDWAGONS DON'T BOO HIM HE ALREADY GETS THAT ON THE ROAD DOESN'T NEED THAT HERE. NO Q.B. HAS EVER BEEN GOOD MUCH LESS GREAT AFTER ONLY 20 GAMES LET HIM GROW AND LEARN FROM THIS AND CHEEER HIM HE'S A GUY THAT STRIVES ON CONFIDENCE. BY THE WAY WE NEED TO SEE CEDRIC CARRY THE BALL MORE. OHH! DON'T FORGET REX DIDN'T LOSE THE GAME LAST YEAR THE DEFENSE DID SO COULD EVERYONE PLEASE LET REX GET THROUGH THIS AND IF U CAN'T SUPPORT HIM AT LEAST DON'T BOO HIM.
I say let Rex start, and if his performance is poor, yank him. Lovie benched Rashad Davis as a kickoff returner after the first mistake he made, yet he let Rex make bad mistake after poor choice and almost blew the game. When it was near the end of the game the offense SHOULD have been running the ball to run out the clock. Instead Lovie chose to TRY to let Rexxie get some confidance back by passing the ball. Could have lost the game and it showed VERY poor judgement by Lovie to leave Rex in.
When was the last time a QB with a rating of 1.4 or whatever win a playoff or Super Bowl? NEVER.
If Lovie doesn't bench players for poor performance (at ANY position) he demonstrates very poor judgement. I don't think the Bears mgmt should renew his contract IF he doesn't bench Rex for poor performance.
Hey, maybe Lovie and Rexxie can find a team to play together at for next season, hmmmmmmm?
Iwould like to see Griese, we won the North Division, and it couldn't hurt to see what Griese could do, who knows what chould happen.
I would like to see him on Monday night in St. Louis, on Natonial television, the Bears always have a hard time playing on Monday nights to get a win.
Lovie, has his mind made up and I don't think my opinion or any one else can change Lovie's mind.
If they don't use Griese, they may be eliminated in the first game the play in the playoffs.
I have said that Grossman should get the first half this week to be an adequate quarterback, or else he should get the hook.
One thing to remember is that game tape analysis in the NFL is one of identifying tendencies, what does a particular player do in a particular circumstance, what will a defense do given a certain offensive alignment, what plays do teams call given a certain down and distance, etc.
It seems that Grossman did certain things up to the Arizona game and the Arizona coaches noticed this and devised a game plan of pressure and close coverage of the underneath receivers. Both the coaches, the offensive line, and Grossman have not been able to adjust to this change by the Bears opponents.
It has occurred to me that playing Griese extensively now could backfire. If you play him for four games now you have given opponents game tape of both quarterbacks operating in the Bears system and defenses can, and will, adjust accordingly. Then you are left with effective game plans for either quarterback.
The bottom line is this - if the Bears win their next two games they will lock up home field advantage regardless of what Dallas and New Orleans does. If Grossman's play puts either of these next two games in jeopardy, then he should be replaced. If not, then you have nothing to lose playing him the rest of the year.
I don't subscribe to the argument that Griese needs four games to "shake off the rust". He is a nine year pro and I believe that he would do fine coming in replacing Grossman, even in a playoff game - with one caveat. He cannot come in down by more than 10 points. He would not drive up and down the field, but down by 10 or less with a quarter to go, I believe he could come in to a playoff game and play effectively. And he would be somewhat of a change-up from Grossman, especially if the opponent had game planned for Grossman's tendencies.
rex time is up. you can look at him when hes doing interviews and see he`s a scare little kid. the confidence and swagger is gone. he will only lose the teams chances of winning a superbowl. lovie needs to be railroaded out of chicago after this season along with rex. the bears have had a soft schedule all year and the 10 and 2 record proves it.
I missed the feeling when the 85 Bears start any game, the only question was how much they are going to win the game. Now, how bad Rex is going to be..... you think about that feeling. Rex must go back to the learning board not to the playing field. Lovie needs to learn from the past. Rex’s problem is his mechanics. He has been missing many wide open receivers or may be throwing behind them. The 5 steps drop pass play with Rex is 4 or 6 steps. The fumbled snap in the red zone. The ridiculous pass that was straight to Taylor (Miami) without being rushed by anyone. Rex made him superman in that game. I can go on and on….. I think, Rex should not play the full next 4 games. He needs to go back to the learning process and fix his mechanics but in the second half of the next 4 games. Give Griese the 1st half. Griese needs to practice with the first team so he can be ready for the playoffs. He needs to feel again the starting QB by starting these games. The last time Griese played a full half is more than 5 months ago or maybe years as starter. But again, I'm not Lovie and I’m not analyzing from the inside. I'm looking from the outside.
stick with Rex!! when hes havin a good game he's one of the best in the league. he's young and he's in a slump, it happens to everybody. just cause somebody has a couple of bad games dont mean you have to hate on him, thats not being a true fan, thats a fairweather fan, seems like most of the fans are. so i see where lovie smith is commin from. in about a week or 2 everybody's gonna love Rex!! again. you love him when hes doing good and u hate em, when he has a bad game your all fairweather fan thats Bull!!
I wonder if the fans in Baltimore were behind Trent Dilfer as the QB to get them to the Superbowl. Don't forget that he was a failure with his previous teams and who in Baltimore thought he would get them there? He was a 1st round pick who needed the time to get better. Why keep bringing up a guy off of one season like Dilfer. What exactly is he doing for the 49ers?GO Rex and The BEARS!!!
For the remaining games the Bears should play one quarterback 1 half, and the other quarterback 1 half just to cut back on possible injuries, and to keep both quarterbacks sharp for the playoffs. This only makes sense and has nothing to do with who is best.
IF LOVIE HAD A RUNNING BACK WHO TURNED THE BALL OVER TO THE OPPOSING TEAM AS MANY TIMES AS REX HAS,I THINK THAT RB WOULD BE BENCHED A LONG TIME AGO.WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE?
Grossman! You have to stay the course, as long as the Bears keep winning. Why bring another quarterback into the mix to shake things up when, ugly or not, the team is winning? If the Bears were 2-10, that would be a different story, but stick with Rex. He looked like an MVP the first half of the season, so maybe he has more of that in him.
I gotta go with Rex, i think the coaches gotta let him get out of the pocket more. He used to be great at that at florida and at the beginning of the season he was doing it a decent amount. Plus u cant yank the guy now hes 10-2 so we gotta ride it out with him.
Let's look at the stats: 209 completions on 378 attempts for 55% completions, 2289 yards, 15 TD's, 20 INT., 10.9 yards per completion, and the team record, 3-8. Oh wait. My mistake. Those are Peyton Mannings stats from his first 11 games in 1998. Grossman's stats through 11 games this season are: 297 completions on 541 attempts for 55% completions, 3697 yards, 18 TD's, 14 INT., 12.4 yards per completion and the team was 9-2 through 11 games. Lovie Smith is sticking with Grossman so he'll have a great quarterback for a long time to come. Brian Griese's stats? The last season he played 11 games was 2004 for the Buccaneers: 233 completions, 336 attempts for 69% completions, 2632 yards, 20 TD's, 12 INT. and 10.9 yards per completion while the Bucs went 5-6. And yes, I know the Bears have played 12 games this year but Griese only played 11 in 2004 and I wanted to be even.
The Bears have proven you can win without a QB because of the defense. And if Grossman can find his September form again, the Bears offense will be unstoppable. Keep Grossman.
Rex is our starting QB! He will get over his slump and when he does all u bandwagon fans can jump back on. sunday wasnt an ideal day for a quarterback but hell be fine.
I think you have to figure out why he's floating the ball instead of firing the ball like he did in the first half of the season. It's giving the defender plenty of time to react and make the INT. The kid had an all out rocket the first 7 games and has reverted to a 7th grade girl's arm strength. It almost looks like he has a shoulder injury. You got to pull ANY QB if they have as many picks as completions. Let them start fresh the next game especially in a division winning situation. Start Rex and play Griese if he stinks it up.
Griese is a backup for a reason. This is Rex's first full year as starter give him a break. He's not gonna improve sitting on the bench. Remember, Peyton was bad his first year but no one cared because they weren't playoff bound.
In every sport, you get pulled when you are not performing well. Except Bears Football. Would it kill the Bears to sub Rex out when he is playing badly? Maybe it is that simple. You want playing time? You must play well. Smith is going to regret not at least knocking the rust off Brian Griese.
Start Rex, and if he stinks it up, go with Griese, don't even wait until the second half. Davis and Hester get switched out, Jones and Benson, so why not Rex and Brian?
This is the most passing yards a Bears QB has had in awhile. This is his first full season. His stats are comparable to Petyon Manning's first full season. See it yourself:
http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/12531
http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/12531
If he sucks it up the next few games this obviously won't be true, but I say let him finish the season.
Also, why haven't the receivers names been brought up at all? Seriously. Just because Muhsin has one good season it doesn't mean he's a great receiver. Berrian can't catch the ball unless it's thrown to him directly in stride, nor can be break up passes that are thrown to him and covered well. Where are the three-wide/1 tight end plays the Colts use to perfection? Bradley/berrian/muhammad stack up well (Bradley = Wayne, Berrian = Harrison, and Muhammad = Stokley/Clark/whoever they line up in the slot and is healthy). What about the play calling?
Seriously, if they don't bench him they'll be fine, if not this year, then next year. It's not as though Griese has proven anything in his career.
Griese is your turn!!
I beleive grossman is just plain gross....naw I give him credit for the first 5 but is seems as if his time is up he sucks out there!!
Let's face it the bears are 10-2 thanks to the almighty defense and the special team not for the lousy offense that rex grossman displays, the bears need a QB change just like the cowboys did. the fans DESERVE it.
I totally agree with Lovie. Why put Griese in now? WHEN REX IS ON EVERYONE IS HOOTIN'& HOLLERING...THE MINUTE HE THROWS A BAD PASS, HERE COMES THE BOO'S. SHAME ON YOU BEARS FANS! LEAVE THE COACHING TO LOVIE AND IT'LL ALL WORK OUT..YOU'LL SEE!
Rex Grossman seriously lacks the athletic ability to play in the NFL. One cannot compare Rex Grossman with Trent Dilfer. Unlike Rex, Trent did not turn the ball over. Morevover, Rex is too short to throw the intermediate pass routes. Have you ever noticed how many of Rex's passes are batted down. If you don't believe me, try throwing a football over a six -foot five defensive line when you stand six feet.
Rex is not a rookie quaterback. How come other "rookie" quaterbacks are doing well ( Phillip Rivers- Chargers, Vince Young- Titans, Tony Romo- Cowboys, Garrard_ Jaguars)?
I'll tell you why: they are better conditioned and have more talent than Rex.
I suggest Lovie Smith goes down to the southside and borrow the quaterback from Mount Carmel high school. Rex is a player who peaked in college. He is just not a NFL caliber quaterback
If any of you guys have tickets for the next game and are fed up and won't go to the game-I'll gladly take your ticket. Send Roman your e-mail address and he'll send it to me and I'll whoop it up at the game. Don't waste that ticket-CALL NOW. Operators are standing by. Or at least I am. GO BEARS!!!
Griese should definitely be our starter. Grossman has not proved he can do anything positive since the Buffallo game. that waz nearly 2 months ago. it cant hurt 2 start griese. the worst that can happen iz that he getz a 1.3% passer rating, 3 ints., and 34 yds. passing like grossman's all-time lows. maybe he'll b good sumday but his time iz not now
I think Lovie is completely wrong about the QB situation. Yes, we're 10-2 with Rex as our quarterback, but the goal is to have the most important win at the end of the season- the Superbowl. We're in position to get that win but I just don't see us getting there with Rex. He's a liability and I seriously doubt that anyone could do the job more worse. Griese is the best choice for continued success.
Johnny B. Bartlett; Rex you are offically on notice. You have 2 weeks to turn it around in order to continue to be the starting QB. heading into the playoffs, 2 WEEKS my friend. If your performance does not improve Mr. Griese will be call to take your place giving him 2 regular seasons games a bye week and then the week leading up to our playoff game. Basically 1 months time. Its your job to lose, hopefully you can restore your confidence along with alot of others!
Johnny Bucaro
Bartlett, IL>
Stay with Grossman, he got us this far, and he has proved he can play during the first half of the season. Whats with all the talk about getting rid of Lovie, he is the beast coach since Ditka. Kick some Ram butt next Monday!!!!!
Dear Suntimes(and all the others wannabes coaches),
Give me a break. The team is 10 & 2 and you are still not satisfied. What's wrong with letting the season run its course, and then commenting about what could have been. The Chicago Bears management has decided to put coach Lovie in charge. If you are not paying his salary why should Lovie listen to you? He is the coach, let him do his job. He is the one that has to answer to management no matter what. When and if he and his staff feels it is time to play another quarterback, they will. If Lovie puts in another guy, the media will say I told you so. If he does not, then the media will say he should have listen. For Lovie, it is a no win situation. And by the way, it’s the defense that we should be concerned with. They are the ones that blew that game in the playoffs last year, even after the leading the NFL in defense most of the year. Offense wins games, defense wins championships. The court is still out until the defense can show it can win some playoff games. Give the team support that includes players and coaches.
If Lovie Smith sticks with Rex Grossman until the Bears lose anouther game, he should be fired. Rex has hit the wall as far as ablity goes. Make the switch sooner or the Bears will be sorry later.
Grossman, as I have always thought is OVERRATED! He was always the overrated person on the team and not Urlacher. I never liked Grossman, and never will. HE sucks!
Im just gonna say. i think rex needs a break. maybe a whole game maybe not. he just needs to see the game from a different perspective. maybe you should start him first half but maybe you shouldnt. it all comes down to lovie, but my opinion is go with griese this sunday.
Peace
it all boils down to rex's mental state. sit grossman down before its too late. they clinched the division. let griese play to get some reps i belive rex is trying too hard and the rest should help him clear his head.
I would start Griese.
GROSSman is just not consistant enough.If Griese show's he can't do it either ,we can always come back to GROSSman.
Punting on first down is always an option,let the DEFENSE win it for us!
Stick with Grossman, hes the future, and if hes not we need to know now. and Who is Greise, you mean the Guy that Shannahan ran out of Denver because he was to stupid to fully get the offense... seriously if he was that good all around, would Denver, Miami, or Tampa let him go, no i dont think so, there is somehting about him that doesnt allow him to stick around long...
It's a crying shame! The Bears have a super bowl champ defense but they won't get there with Grossbomb. Urlacher and company deserve a guy who at the least won't hurt them. Rex forgets that turnovers will kill even the best of defenses. Lovey, give us a chance with Griese... NOW!
Let's get rid of Grossman and put in Griese. What is Lovey thinking? He has a winning team and he is going to blow it for the fans. Don't wait too long Lovey!!!
Start Grossman in the St. Louis game. If he falters...pull him and put in Griese. I understand Lovie wanting to keep his confidence but at some point the needs of team need to come before Rex's feelings.
Hate to say it, but Grossman possesses a deadly (for him) combination - short and slow. He can't see because of the trees in front of him, but he can't move around to get away from those trees. He was good when opponents concentrated on the run, and didn't cover the bootleg. Who cares about home field? By my count, we're 2-6 in the playoffs at home since Super Bowl. Stay with Grossman, and it'll be 2-7.
I say start Grossman. We need to establish the running game before we can put all of the blame on the quarterback. No quarterback will have sucess in this offence. If we establish the running game we can open up the passing game and any quarterback will do. I seem to remember "We are a running team" at the beginning of the year. Lets stick with what worked for soo long.
I've been calling for Griese since game 1 of the preseason. I called it right from the start that if we made it into post-season that grossman would lose the game for us. well we're not there vet and hes trying his best to keep us out of contention. Lovie and Turner have gotta get the heads out of their _____ and see whats going on; Your team is 10-2 your QB is 8-4 at best. Grossman doesnt have a long arm (med-long arm maybe), under pressure he makes high schooler mistakes, he leads his recievers, and he has no ability to scan the field to see whats going on.
The D and ST are top notch what we need now is a game managing QB thats going to play intelligently. In '85 McManhon wasn'ta super stud QB, he was a great game manager. I vote Griese. Oh and by the way Grossman is 0-1 in post season to a team Orton beat...hmmmmmmmm.
i think they should divide the halves this week. i dont think it would matter who played in the first half and who plays the second half. if i correctly recall though, the last time rex got injured was in st. louis during preseason. so i'd probably start griese first so the rams wont be so anxious to come after rex. but as far as the rest of the season goes, rex all the way baby, he's goin through this funk right now mainly b/c of the media pressure. if everyone would just shut up about it and let him get his mojo back, we should be alright, b/c i personally feel that if rex gets back to his rhythm like he did in the first 5 games around playoff time, the bears will be the number 1 team to beat!
Rex !!!!!!
Remember everybody had to see Stenstrom, Hutchinson or Burris to name a few,
come in to save the day??
Griese is average at best, and is no upgrade. Except I would have liked to see a switch at halftime, in New England because Rex hurt his hand. Thats the only reason. Rex can be to Chicago, like Bret was for Green Bay. I have confidence in Rex!
I say we go with Griese! What have we got to lose?!?!? Grossman is averaging almost 3 interceptions a game! If it wasn't for our defense I think we would lose some of the games we won. And on the other hand we are barely beating teams that we should be blowing out. I say we go for it and let nature take its course, who knows Griese might surprise us. It's a lot better to try something new than to keep having these interceptions every game and having us bite our nails every 4th quarter.
collectively the Bears have a great football team, I believe they need a quarterback that has the ability to manage the game, Griese is the role player the team needs, manage the team, move the chains, just don't give it away like Rex, the trend in the NFL for the quarterback position is to extend the play, Rex is like a statue in the pocket, he does not have any mobility, he is too short too stay in the pocket and make reads over the tall lineman, Griese has big stage experience and a quiet demeanor, Rex is a head case, he really thinks he is good, sorry Rex I wish you were.
I believe the answer is obvious, yank Rex out. If the previous four games were not proof enough, take a look at the game vs. Minnesota. Most of the points were direct result of the defense or special teams. The only touchdown produced by the offence was due to a defensive play.
Well... we still have a few games before the playoffs. Let's see if Grossman bounces back. My only fear is that he looks good in the next few weeks and goes south in the playoffs, or that he ruins our home field advantage in the playoffs if he continues to suck the rest of the season. All I want for xmas is a consistant QB.
First of all, I don't agree to this stupid poll!! What? Do you think you can force Lovie into changing his mind by pressurinbg fans to vote on it....cheap try!! I'm ashamed to say I purchase the Sun-Times. Second, leave Rex alone...he hasn't even completed one season of play yet. If he's our future we have to go with him. If you take out and put in QB's a lot of psyc comes into play, anyway...that's one girls opinion!!!
Does Lovie Smith even realize that the temperature Sunday was almost ten times higher than Grossman's rating? The choice is quite simple...Brian Griese. I think that the bad game vs. Arizona shot down Grossman's confidence and his head has been scrambled ever since.
Does Lovie Smith even realize that the temperature Sunday was almost ten times higher than Grossman's rating? The choice is quite simple...Brian Griese. I think that the bad game vs. Arizona shot down Grossman's confidence and his head has been scrambled ever since.
I would start Grossman in the first half, and then I would put him on the bench. No mater how he played. He needs to know that his job is not guaranteed.
I THINK THAT THEY SHOULD STAY WITH GROSSMAN, BECAUSE THEY WERE COMMITTED TO START THE YEAR WITH HIM, WIN OR LOSE. HE SHOULD BE ABLE TO FINISH THE YEAR AND BUILD CONFIDENCE. YOU CANT TAKE HIM OUT HALF WAY THROUGH THE SEASON. IS HE ON A GAME BY GAME TRIAL OR YOU GONNA LET HIM PLAY THE SEASON OUT. GOOD THINGS COME FROM BAD EXPERIENCE"S AND HE"S HAVING BAD EXPERIENCE"S NOW.
I've been sticking up for Rex all season long. My confidence is finally gone. Give him the first half of St. Louis. if we get GB, San Fran, NFC player of the month Rex in the first half, stick with him...if not, then it's time to Griese the wheels.
They have to stick with grossman. The Bears organization and we the fans need a great uarterback here in chicago. We all have seen what Grossman can do when he is at his best. I think he's going through rookie mistakes and remember this is first full season (hopefully). I think the bears should stick with grossman this year and throughout the playoffs. We are not going to go anywhere with griese. he doesnt know the system and lets face it if he was that good why has every team he's been on let him go? There's obviously a problem with him. Griese is a good back up, but thatsall hell ever be. He can not be the leader of this offense or this team. If the bears want to have a steady quarter back for the nest 10 years they'll keep Grossman.Obviously that's why they are keeping him there. And those who want griese whould use their head before they think because obviosuly they don't know what they're talking about.
The Bears beat the Vikings despite Rex Grossman. This against a team with the 31st-ranked pass defence in the NFL! A corpse has a quarterback ranking of zero. What was Grossman's? The steady decline in Grossman's numbers corresponds to the steady decline in the Bears' Super Bowl prospects. Mr. Griese deserves a chance and so do Bears fans.
I think the bears would be 12-0 if Lovie Smith had sat Rex Grossman down in the second hafe in both games we loss. I do not think Rex should lose his starting job, but if he is playing bad and he is, then put Griese in, and give Rex time to think and see what he is doing wrong. Lovie is putting to much on the defence and special teams to cover up and make up for Rex mistakes. The only thing Rex has to do is manage the game!If the Bears played Dallas Sunday, they would lose, not because Dallas is a better team, but because they have a better QB. Lovie Smith said sunday " We're 10-2 and we just won the division with Rex as our quarterback" that is true, but with this Defensive team and your special team, I could had been the quartback!!
All we are saying is give greis a chance... well, look on the bright side, rex didn't fumble or drop any snaps, so he has that going for him. And he wore gloves so maybe he could grip the ball a bit better, although his accuracy seemed worse, so maybe he needs one glove for not fumbling and one glove for not throwing interceptions.
also on the bright side, mondays game is indoors so rex should look better and be able to hold and throw the ball a bit better may not even need gloves. Although, he still won't be able to see over line or move in pocket and he's more likely to get hurt on the fast track turf there. If only he played in someplace warm with slow natural grass, that would best suit his limited attributes. So maybe rex, lovie and angelo can all go to say tampa bay after this year. then if the mcaskies sell the team the bears can start fresh and bears fans will have only lost 4 or five more years from their lives. Which is worse being a cubs fan or a bears fan, tribune vs mcaskies? And if you are both it may be best to just move up north and take up ice fishing and the puckers.
All we are saying is give greis a chance... well, look on the bright side, rex didn't fumble or drop any snaps, so he has that going for him. And he wore gloves so maybe he could grip the ball a bit better, although his accuracy seemed worse, so maybe he needs one glove for not fumbling and one glove for not throwing interceptions.
also on the bright side, mondays game is indoors so rex should look better and be able to hold and throw the ball a bit better may not even need gloves. Although, he still won't be able to see over line or move in pocket and he's more likely to get hurt on the fast track turf there. If only he played in someplace warm with slow natural grass, that would best suit his limited attributes. So maybe rex, lovie and angelo can all go to say tampa bay after this year. then if the mcaskies sell the team the bears can start fresh and bears fans will have only lost 4 or five more years from their lives. Which is worse being a cubs fan or a bears fan, tribune vs mcaskies? And if you are both it may be best to just move up north and take up ice fishing and the puckers.
I think you should put in Griese. Rex Grossman looks like he has lost all confidence in the passing game. I mean you can't just do a running game all day,they will just read you like a book. Brian Griese on the other hand will do better in the passing game. And really Grossman had like 15 or more turnovers in the last 7 games. It just hurts to watch the game. But I still watch the games because I love the Bears. But that's just my comment.
I lived in Denver when Griese was quarterback. He was great,had a better record than Elway. If you want to win the Super Bowl go with a PRO GO WITH Griese!
How ungrateful can one city be? The Bears are doing something special and the people in this city still find a way to make this team feel like they are two and ten, not ten and two. But in recent Bears seasons, they have been bottom feeders of the NFL with a playoff appearence here and there before going one and out. That's reason to boo. Or is it? The fans at the Bears game were booing a team that finally has a decent QB in Grossman, a dominating defense and an unbelieveable special teams unit. The only reason why fans and writers alike want Griese is because he's not Rex Grossman, meaning that they just want the back up QB in the games. My question is what happens if Griese flops or gets hurt? That would make Kyle Orton next right? Well if the fans don't want Grossman and Griese gets hurt, Orton would then be the starter correct? No. He won't be and neither will Griese. Grossman has had a a couple games recently, but doesn't every athlete have a few bad games here and there? Grossman will bounce back and prove all the ungrateful fans and sports writers wrong.
Go with the coach! He said we would beat the Pack and did. He said we would win the division and did. He said we would win the superbowl and we will. He has made some great decisions so far and he will do what is best for this team. We are in the playoffs again. Lets enjoy that for now and allow him to manage the rest. We haven't enjoyed this type of success in years Bear Down Chicago and support your team!
Grossman has gotten worse with each game and we better start Griese now instead of in the play offs. We have to have proper footing entering the play offs
Leave Rex alone. How can anyone have any confidence when he is constantly berated and harrassed by the media? In the end, it is up to Lovie and not us, so get a life media.
How much worse does Rex have to be before Lovie gets the message? Do we really need to pay the ultimate price in the playoffs for stubborness? Who cares if Rex was supposed to be the center of an offense for the next few seasons. Last time I checked, the only point of playing seasons is to get to (and be successful in) the playoffs and try to win it all.
Lovie also says that you don't get better by riding the bench, well if Griese is our best bet, that is all the more reason to get him in there and get him in there and fast. If he can do better than Rex, (which isn't a high standard at this point) we should use the next few games to get him used to the pressure, so he can be that much better when playoffs come around.
Anyone that thinks wrecks should still start is a moron... 1.3 QB rating against the 31 ranked pass defense and you want to rely on this kid who trips and doesnt even try to get up. Can someone give me lovies email address because i have some choice words for him. This is our chance to win it all and the only QB who can get us there is GRIESE!!!
HOW ABOUT TRACKING DOWN JIM MCMAHON AND ASKING HIM TO SUIT UP IT IS REALLY ASHAME THAT THE BEARS CAN ATRACT POSITION PLAYERS AT ALMOST EVERY POSITION EXCEPT QB
IN LIEU OF JIM MCMAHON I'D BE HAPPY WITH KYLE ORTON HE IS A CHICAGO PROVEN QB I HAVE NO OPINION ABOUT
GRIESE EXCEPT TO SAY THAT
HE WOULD BE A REFRESHING CHANGE FROM REX THE HEX
HIS NUMBERS SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES AND LAST WEEK WHAT AN ABOMANATION I THINK THAT LOVIE SMITH SHOULD START THINKJING ABOUT HIS FUTURE W/THE BEARS IF HE BLOWS THE OPPORTUNITY TO GET TO A SUPER BOWL GAMELET ALONE WIN ONE W/THIS EXTREMELY TALENTED DEFENCE AND SPECIAL TEAMS I'M SO FREAKING TIRED OF HEAR HOW REX HAS TAKEN US TO A
10 AND 2 RECORD THIS YEAR IT INPUNES THE OTHER 44 PLAYERS ON THE TEAM
Tragically, not every athlete has a 1.3 QB rating (probably the lowest since they implemented the system) that has followed 2 other pitiful showings. All the Bears need is a QB that is consistent with pass completions, and DOESN'T TURN THE BALL OVER! The Ravens had it with Dilfer and the Bucs had it with Johnson. IF, and I do say IF, Griese goes in and gets hurt, we will deal with it then. For now, we HAVE to deal with this problem. GRIESE gets my vote because he will be more consistent and smart with his decisions than Rex.
I say stick with Grossman and let him turn it around. If you remember, he was awful in the preseason games and started the first 5 games as an outstanding quarterback. He's hit a slump and it doesn't help with the fans booing him. I'm sure Lovie Smith knows what he's doing and will put Griese in when the time is right and if needed.
Stay with Rex 10-2 they are winning thats what its all about Did Dan Marino,Peyton Manning,get benched for having a few bad games i can't remember but i don't think so!! Give the guy a break True Bear fans shouldn't give up on him yet
Mike North should shut up with his comments to about Rex he's starting to sound like "S-D" Jay Mariotti Mr. Never Played a Sport!!!
I say get Rexie out of there he is just hurting the team and their change to the superbowl. Put Griese in. Next get Lovie some glasses make sure he is seeing the same plays we are seeing, the ones that his boy is messing up. I say BOO with Grossman! Yeah with Griese
GRIESE all the way! Lovie Smith says no quarterback change because the Bears won the division with Rex. Didn't the Bears win the division with Orton last year? He didn't hesitate to replace him with Grossman!
gotta go with #8 and change the play calling, dont we have a tight end!?!? Stop throwing hail marry's and use the field..screens, slants, etc.!! If that doenst work....go with Griese!! GO BEARS!!!!
There is no way that Rex should still be playing. Look at Dallas, they were struggling, and they brought in Romo, and now they are looking better than anyone in the NFC. The Bears will not win a playoff game with Rex. BRING IN GRIESE.
Griese should get one chance. If he doesn't throw as many interceptions as Grossman, than he should stay in. We can make it to the playoffs and possibly the superbowl without Rex. What is Lovie thinking??? Why is he leaving Rex in!!!
It's time to make a change just to make sure you have the best QB in the game. At this rate the Bears will make the playoffs but they need to score. This offense cannot put points on the board. How much longer can the defense do all the scoring for this team. It's time for a change!
I have been a Bears fan through thick or thin for over 40 Years.
I am so sick of the Fair weather fans who want a QB Benched at the first sign of a RUT.
Give the kid grossman a chance for Cripes sake he is only playing his First R?EAL Year of football and this will only make him better.
Try looking up Brett Favres, troy aikmans, John Elways First year Full season stats you will all be Highly surprised!
We are 10-2 thanks mostly to the defense. I would start Rex and if he isn't getting it done by half, then put Griese in. Rex has led the team all year and deserves to continue starting. I think he has a sense of security right now that may need to be tested. I always believe if you are not getting it done, there is someone else who can. We should have changed Grossman out in the New England game since he was playing so badly. ... I know conflicting opinions ... start Rex but replace him if his play warrants it.
I say leave Grossman in if he losses then there is no reason not to take him out after the game but he keeps winning so why not go with him. He is bound to get his stride back, and if he doesn't he's out.
Look, I'm a die-hard Chicago Bears fan, but I don't always agree with Lovie's decision to put Grossman in the whole game.Give Greise a chance--I mean you have to give him some playing time; see how he is in a regular season game-if Greise does good then I would stick with him. I agree with John F., I would play Grossman the first half and then put Griese in the second.Yea-- the line has to back Rex up and all, and the defense has to get good field position for him to get us some points, but I mean Grossman has got to pick up the pace a little bit; maybe pass the ball a little more and don't just run it. Grossman's got a good arm, I just think that sometimes he's afraid of it. He has made so many good passes down field to Muhammad and you don't see that too often anymore.I would:
1. Start Greise for a game; see how well he works with the plays and as well as the players. Has he gotten good field position? Has he scored points? Is he interacting with the players well and finding the open man?
2. Go to Grossman as soon as as Griese starts to get tired. Don't make Rex throw too much on the sideline, stretch him out, refresh his memory on the plays, make him watch the defense, let him figure them out; if he does this we'll probably have that game beaten in no time.
3. TRY to give Griese and Grossman equal amounts of playing time. Let Ron Turner see who has the better stats in the game. Whoever has the better stats; start him in the next game.
I believe that lovie should bench grossman for the next two games and give brian Griese a chance to see how well he plays against two strong opponents.
Stick with Grossman for two more games. If he doesn't improve, go to Griese. That would give him two full games and two more weeks of practice with the first string(if they get the bye)before their first playoff game,plenty of time to shake off the rust. Actually, Rex has had two good games and two bad games over the last four(QB ratings of 105,82,23 and 1). Griese is no sure thing either. He has had two good seasons(only 10 games in each) and five mediocre seasons. Believe it or not, Rex has more playoff experience(one game to none).
My vote is for Griese - he won't lose games. Rex has lost games (Miami/New England) and has almost lost games (Arizona/Minnesota - 2x). Lovie is foolish when he gives Rex credit for the 10-2 season. If Rex is our QB going into the playoffs, we are "one and done" again (and Lovie may lose his job).
As a relevant side note, I understand from some U-Florida fans that Rex was very inconsistent in college too. Some days he was great, others terrible. I haven't gone back to check his stats, but it wouldn't surprise me.
Rex.
I wish some of you BEARS fans would show some bear heart. Rex had a few bad and good Orton had no good and Griese is a real pro but he is a back up not our CUB. We have to show some loyalty. RIDE OR DIE!!!!
Man I can't wait until January. You guys are off the chain!!!!10-2 and people acting like we're the worst team in football. Rex had 3 staight bad games and everyone is ready to throw him to the dogs. So what happens if Brian Griece comes in and throws a couple of ints? Yall gonna bash him too. Give the kid a chance to get his confidence back. He started off hot. And Yall were holding up signs apoligizing for booing him in preseason. Now that he has hit a wall. you guys are clammering for Griese and comparing Lovie smith to dusty Baker. I'm speechless. William, please break it down for'em again.
I would start Griese to see if I really have the best quarterback out there. There is an old saying a lot of coaches use in football that goes " to what degree of failure can we get a way with". Every week Rex gets worse and that degree of failure shrinks and it will catch the Bears in the playoffs.
The Bears already have the title, what harm is there in giving Griese some playing time? What if Grossman gets injured? Griese will be totally unprepared.
Here we go again with theses QB issues. And, just in time for Monday Night Football for everyone to see. Despite our record, Griese deserves a chance to prove himself. Besides, Grossman hasn't been winning the games-it's the defense (and special teams)! GO URLACAHER & CO.!
With all of the high praise that Griese is receiving, I can't believe this guy was let go by other teams! With all his popularity, the Bears should try to trade Griese for a first and second round pick!
Rex...is just gross man! Give Griese a shot. What are they waiting for? yeah, we're 10-2; but Griese needs play time big time or "that's a 10-4 big buddy." What's Griese got to be thinking if he can't even get in the game with Gross Man's lousy record!?
I am a huge Bears Fan. We have waited a long time for a good qtrback. Least we forget Kordell Stewart. Rex is that qtrback. Remember Rex lead FSU to an SEC game in 2001. Griese is what he is Griese. We can not say for sure that he is the answer. Look at what happen to Denver. The Press got to the Coach and he switched. Chicago is our city, Bears are our team, Lovie is our coach and Rex IS OUR QUARTERBACK. I believe in Rex as Lovies does. Hopefully Rex believes in Rex. We need to support them instead of dividing them. We don't want a team like the Giants. True Bears fans should support Rex as we did Jim Hardbrough,and Kordell Steward with out winning records. REMEMBER WE ARE 10-2 not 2-10
My vote is for Lovie Smith. As a defensive coordinator he led the Rams to two super bowls, winning one. So far Lovie Smith has accomplished more than half his goals he set when he became the Bears head coach, beat Green Bay, win the division, and winning the super bowl. Just one more to go. As far as Rex is concerned, if he doesn't relax and just play smart, safe football I think Lovie will make the change. Just ask R.W. Mcquarters, Mike Green, Chris Harris, Chad Hutchinson, Bobby Wade, Jonathan Quinn(he's horrible),Terry Shea and Kyle Orton. If Rex forces Lovie to make the change he will. The good thing is we have a two game lead and four games left to make things right.
Everything is clinched except homefield advantage and we have a 2 game lead there so that shouldn't be too hard to attain. Stick with Rex he obviously needs the experience. Bring in Griese in the 3rd or 4th and let him get his feet wet. Remember he is coming off of major reconstructive surgery.
Rex has a little more than 1 season under his belt, and the first time he has been somewhat healthy at this point in the season. Let the guy at least do one full season before dumping him. It has been 21 years since the last time the Bears won a Super Bowl and to be honest, besides McMahon, who has had the job that long and won anything? I think we need to let Rex worry about football and less about trying to over impress the media and fans. If Griese is the Savior, then why did Tampa, Denver and Miami let him go? Enough said!!!!
I vote for Griese....heck I'd vote for Daffy Duck if he was a choice. Grossman has proved that he has no staying power. With each game his performance weakens, and if it weren't for special teams and Urlacher's defensive team, Grossman wouldn't be able to fight his way out of a paper bag. GET GROSS MAN OUT OF THERE AND LET COMPETENT QUARTERBACKS PLAY BALL....34 YARDS, BAH!!
Take this friendly advice from a Denver fan... there is nothing more painful than watching Griese QB a team to one disappointing loss after another. Never call for the never-quite-made-it-in-the-big-time washed-up QB over someone who could be your franchise QB. If he were actually good then one of his teams would have kept him as a starter. Grossman will come around.
If Griese was such a great quarterback, then why is he a backup and been on 4 different teams? Everyone forgets he was booed off the field in Denver. Experience counts for a lot in my book, and there's only one way for Rex to get that experience - by playing! (oh yeah, let someone else do the play calling also)
Grossman. Everyone was his number one fan in the first five games. He is still the same guy. He needs improved playcalling until he gets his confidence back, and when he does, he'll be back to his 250+ yard games with three TDs. It also doesn't help when 50,000 people boo after every incomplete pass.
Let's face it. The Bears are not about a powerful passing game. They are team designed for good defense and a solid running game. The special teams this year has been an unexpected bonus. We need a QB who will take care of the ball.
I say give Grossman one half next Monday and have Turner change his stupid play-calling. If that doesn't cut it, bring Griese in and see how he performs.
I think it's time to replace Rex with Brian Griese. Rex had his opportunity to prove himself. But he failed last three games. He no longer has his confidence. I do not see Bears will go to Superball with Rex. Let's go with Brian from now on. He has more experience then Rex.
I say leave Rexie in. He's just putting too much pressure on himself. He was really bad in preseason and now look, we are 10-2...yes, defense helped out a great deal, but no one is giving Rex credit for how great he was playing in the beginning of the season, He also has helped us get to where we are now, along with the defense.
Grossman needs to be bench already. You would think after sitting on the sidelines for three seasons he would of learned the defence of his oppenets. This is his first full season and it shows that he does not have what it takes to be a #1 QB. The Bears are only 10-2 this season because of Hester on Speical teams & the defence.
A couple of things I'd like to add:I have faith in Lovie Smith and believe he'll do what's best for the Bears to win in the playoffs. Grossman deserves a couple more games to straighten things out. He's had a lot more good games than bad and has shown he can play brilliant at times. People like to point out Parcells and Romo. He stuck with Bledsoe a long time before he made a change. The QB position is not a revolving door. If you look at Rex's statistics, his four worst games are when he threw the ball 30-40 times. That is not Bear football. They need to get back to smashmouth football especially the way Benson has been running lately, and keep the passing plays to the 20-25 range. Also, find a way to get Devin Hester 4-5 touches a game on offense. The Bears will go to the Superbowl, no matter who QB's because the NFC is weak (Romo and the 'Pokes will come back down to earth) and the Bears should have home field advantage. And if they play San Diego, the Bears will have one big advantage, Marty Schottenheimer and his record in big games.
All you anti-Grossman's sure were praising him at the beginning of the year. He is a good quarterback and he needs our support now. He is basically a rookie. He's learning still, and Lovie obviously sees something in him that is worth the pains we are going through now. QB'ing is more than just throwing a pass, it's about being able to command an offense, and ours supports Rex.You got this Sh#@ Rex!!!! Go Bears
i would give grossman the benefit of the doubt and try to get his groove back, but yank him out if he has a bad first half. lovie needs to toughen up and let his QB know that if he can't fix his mistakes then he should have a seat next to klye. grossman has use to the idea that no matter how bad he performs he will still be starting the following week,and that is because of Coach Lovie Dovie. so i say stick with rex, pending on the first half against the rams.
i am a grossman fan but i think lovie needs to do what is best for the team and put in greise. he had faith in orton last year and he pulled him for grossman well do the same now
I say stay with grossman he is our qb and a former first draft pick...so the guy has had bad games recently not even favre was awesome his first games besides what is ovie supposed to do if griese fails? go to orton ( no offense intended) I mean you can't keep changing Qb's everytime one does not work there is alex smith..the kid dint started great but he is there and besides grossman has taken this team to a 10-2 season so far. let's give the guy another chance before drawing final conclusions and rex just relax boy and throw the way you know..come on boy you are a QB in the nfl that's not a job that's a privilege.
Let us begin to analyze the logic being used by Lovie in wanting to keep Wrecks as the QB. He says the Bears are 10-2 with this guy, but aren't the Bears 10-2 "IN SPITE REX??" If it weren't for the Defense and Special Teams last Sunday, we would have been 9-3 for sure. If we count the Cardinals game too into that same category, we would be 8-4. I don't have the stats at my disposal at this moment to determine how much lower we would be in the win column in regard to a few of the other games, but I can only feel we would be even in a worse scenario, especially when I see the great columns written by your Sports Writers where Rex has played "awful" in the last 4 of the 7 last games.
What is Lovie thinking? If we look back at the Pre Season, I saw that Brian was throwing the ball much sharper than Wrecks, even with the long throws. Isn't the Pre Season the time when the coaching staff determines who the starting QB is going to be and the player annointed to the position had to earn the right to be the "starter?" How did Rex "earn" that right?
When Lovie says Rex is 10-2, how don't we know we could be "undefeated" at this point in the season, had he started Brian at the position instead of Rex? Lovie certainly would not make it in the baseball world, if he always wanted to keep his starting pitchers in the baseball game no matter how bad they stunk up multiple innings. I used to be a BIG FAN of Lovie, but Lovie if you are reading this, you are losing me as a fan each week that you keep Rex as the QB and I feel you are turning me into an outspoken critic of yours. If you doing this to one of your former biggest fans, you must stop to think how many other fans are starting to feel the same abou you. Just as the fans are booing Rex at Soldier's Field, you will become their next target, Lovie and I am sure you do not want that.
A great manager creates an environment that is uplifting for his employees and providees them with incentive to perform at their best. How do you feel the morale of your Defense and Special Teams is doing right now, Lovie, by leaving Rex as your man? Didn't you see the look on Brian Urlacher when he was interviewed after the game last Sunday? Having Rex in the game is no doubt tearing the hearts out of his teammates at all the positions. This in essence would be creating a very low morale for the teammates, which is never good.
Please also consider that Brian is
6' 4", which is a more desirable height for the QB position than Rex' height of 6' 1". When the opposing defensive line starts collapsing around Rex, he apparently is not tall enough to see beyond them, so his gun slinging tendancy to throw the ball down the fleld in an apparent attempt to "throw the ball up for grabs" is not too advisable.
I find it paradoxical that Rex still has a giant ego by feeling he is the greatest by the outward appearance he is trying to display, yet you can tell his inward confidence has been shaken by the demeanor he displayed when being interviewed, which cannot be hidden by his body language. Rex has had way too many chances to pull out of the slump and he should not be given any more, PERIOD. He apparently does not play well at the world stage (look at the last Monday night game in Phoenix), so why should he be trusted in next Monday's game in St. Louis?
It has to be inevitable that Rex will be replaced by Brian if Rex continues his streak of bad games, but if we start losing more games, we have the potential of losing home court advantage, so why would we want to risk it? Also, Brian needs to have enough games under his belt to carry him into the post season in his own streak (hopefully a winning streak).
Brian needs to start playing with the first team offense right now in practice instead of taking a few reps with the 2nd or 3rd string. If Lovie is trying to save face by not officially pulling Rex from the starting lineup, then maybe he and Rex ought to talk in private about putting Rex on the Injuried Reserve for some phantom injury or ailment that is hard to diagnose. I am actually suprised that the Defense has not already put a hard hit on Rex in recent days during practice like they did to Cedric Benson in the Pre Season practice that kept Cedric out of a few games with a shoulder injury, but maybe Lovie put a stop to that type of hard play action. Please note that I am not saying the defense should do this, but I am just expressing my surprise that number 8 ("Ocho" as the Bengals' Chad Johnson would say) doesn't have an invisible bulls-eye tacked onto him by the defense.
Why can't a coach decide to switch QBs on their own at any given time, like the Minnesota coach did last Sunday? Some years ago back in the late 1980's I attended a Bears game when Da Coach, Iron Mike, was at the helm at a Tampa Bay game when it was Tampa's Vinny Testaverde v the Bears Jim Harbaugh. Jim was not playing too well for most of the game and I was sitting not too far behind the Bears bench, near the 40 yard line, when I started to chant "T Zak." I couldn't believe it, but Da Coach did put in Mike Tomczak to replace Jimmy H. Mikey put up three quick TD's in just a few minutes and the fans were going wild in the stands. I never saw that much excitement in the stands in my life (yes, if I did not leave the Cleveland game early a few years ago with about 2 minutes to play with the Bears trailing by 14 points, I would have been a witness to an even greater comeback excitement). Lovie should be empowered to replace a QB whenever it is the right thing to do.
In closing, Rex has to go and Brian must be given the opportunity to help us win. Rex has had too many years to "learn" on the job and it is "inexcusable" that he is playing this poorly this late in the season. If he started the season winning, he should have developed the "momentum" and still be on the winning streak, but that has not happened. Something is wrong in Lake Forest and it needs to be fixed, now!!
Greise is not the answer, he's a competent back up with a 39-33 regular season record. Grossman showed flashes of brilliance in september, plus I consider this his rookie season, I think you have to grow with the kid, he just has to learn to slow down and let the game come to him, he's overthinking and trying to make something happen every play. Brett Farve threw 24 ints in his second full year as a starter. Payton Manning threw 28 ints his rookie year. just a case of guys trying to do too much with the ball. Greise has never played a full 16 game season in his "illustrious" 9-year career, how does he become the savior of a 10-2 football team? I couldn't tell anything was wrong with them by looking at their record, which equals the Colts record, I dont see anyone trying to bench Manning.
What many of you favoring griese are forgetting is that grossman doesnt call the play, the coaches do. when orton was playing last season, how many times were the bears going for deep pass plays? they werent, and the only reason they are now is because rex got that arm. i promise you, if rex had just a little better protection from the line, and better play calling from the coaches, i GUARANTEE you all that he would continuously be compared to favre. he has the arm, and he has the accuracy. if peyton didnt have the protection he has, he wouldnt be as dominant as he is. no disrespect to our line, but they arent picking up the blitz very well, and giving him enough time. i say its all on the coaches, they arent doing a very good job right now. and if they dont calm down and strategize better (on offense and defense) THEY ARE GONNA BE THE REASON WHY THE BEARS DONT REACH OR WIN THE SUPERBOWL - NOT REX! stick wit rex, keep griese as back up!
Not much else to say besides 18 turnovers in 7 games. Lovie is like Tommy Lee Jones (two face)in Batman Forever. He takes out Orton after a series of bad games last year in the middle of the game. Now he is sticking behind the Gator Rex! How can the Bears avoid a one and done in the playoffs with a quarterback that should be playing on the North side with numbers like that!
I have been saying play Rex for a half since the Arizona game. Now all the people who thought I was nuts are calling for his head. You can have it both ways because by the half you know what Rex your going to get. Play Griese!
As difficult as this has been the last few weeks, this game against the Rams is a great opportunity for Rex to step it up. If not, I am for trying Griese in the second half. The turnovers simply must end this week. Either the "good" Rex shows up or it could be "wait until next year" for the Bears. They can't afford to give up so many turnovers going into the playoffs.
Just because Grossman had a few rough games now everybody wants to jump off the bandwagon. He's still young & learning, everybody loved him early in the season & was talking about how he was the best Bears QB ever. Give the kid some time to learn & get off his back after every single mistake. He will be the future QB to lead the team for the next decade if you idiots would get off his back & let him learn.
Rex needs the reps and we have already clinched the division, so in effect what we have here is a free pre-season. Rex has by far the best potential to take us all the way. Lovie and the Rons are doing fine, too. As for the Sun-Times calling the shots for the Bears, hey, you're my favorite newspaper and all, but we have seen how fabulously a newspaper runs a big-league sports franchise in this town, so if y'all don't mind, stick to reporting the sports news and let the sports guys stick to producing it, ay? Ay?
Give the man another chance; we have played teams with average records. Let him finish out a full season, then when the play- offs come let him play the first half. If his performance is good leave him alone to develop and play. If not put in the grease lightning. Then let Rex stand on the sideline and learn from a vet. If Rex is the future you have to give him a season to show something. If all goes well this would be his first full season as a starter right. He is young and still learning!!!! Lovie knows what he is doing and remember he is under paid too!!!!!!
Grossman. This is almost storybook. QB is wunderkind, QB loses touch, village wants QB burned at stake, then, at the last moment, all his magical powers return and he wins the Super Bowl with an amazing performance and the villagers crown him their king.
SIT REX DOWN FOR A GAME OR TWO, TO GET HIS HEAD SCREWED ON STRAIGHT, AND TO CORRECT HIS MECHANICS. IF GRIESE DOES WELL, LET HIM START UNTIL GAME FIFTEEN, THEN GO BACK TO GROSSMAN. AT THE END OF THE REGULAR SEASON EVALUATE BOTH QBS AND PICK ONE AND STAY WITH HIM THROUGHOUT THE PLAYOFFS.
Grossman. This is no time to tinker with the offense by changing QB`s.Brian Griese is not in starting shape.They should start to work him in the last three games of the season and see if he is over his knee problem he had when he came here.Grossman have a bad half monday nite yank him fast no hesitation.Go Bears!
Its not rex's fault the league has figured out his weaknesses and how to play him. Rex hasn't gotten worse the league has adjusted how it plays against him and now takes away what he had been doing well and has exposed his weaknesses which are obvious to anyone to see. Like Denny Green said, the bears are what we thought they were. Now king rex has had him crowned by angelo and lovie. I have zero confidence that the bears coaches will be able to hide rex's "shortcomings" and "get a grip" on "seeing" the problem and "moving" on. Now opponents don't even have to defend the short underneath routes because rex can't see his receivers and if he tries to zip a short range pass, without lofting it, he has to throw it at o line helmet level. He can't reach up high enough to throw a flat trajectory pass over the o line, its just geometry. So unless the bears coaches can put him on a platform or get him some elevator shoes, he's limited to longer, higher trajectory passes. Remember the flat pass he threw straight to taylor? Do you think the rest of the league can't see these things? Go ahead keep playing him, he may have good games against coaches like coughlin who won't adjust their schemes to beat the bears, but for any good coaches its an easy gameplan. Do you want to keep playing rex or do you want to win the super bowl?
Rex is like ben bennett and danny weurfal, spurrier guys, remember them? I'd play Rex and Griese the next 4 games, and make opposing coaches game plan against both of them. Try to put the pressure on the opposing coaches and defenses for a change. Why does the bears offense seem to always put pressure on the bears own defense, its like the jauron game plan all over again. If the opposing team just prepares for griese and rex plays, then rex has a better chance of success, and vice versa. Play them both until the play offs, then go with the guy who will get you the win, survive and advance!!
I'm shocked and apalled at all the great armchair coaches-that we have here in Chicago. I've been on these blogs since preseason and I can remember every guy that voiced his displeasure with Rex and every one that thought that Lovie was a bad coach. It was easy to defend them because we only had a few that disagreed that they were Good or great. Now we have guys writing personal letters to Lovie about how he BETTER make the change or he's fired. Really. Say it to his face. I'm not saying that he's BILLY-BAD-A$$ and would break you in half. NO. I'm saying some of you guys are cowards and hide behind TAGS instead of names. My mother named me William so I go by that. I don't go by"RINANDSTYMPY4LIFE" or anything like that because I like my name and I'm not gonna hide from it. Especially when I'm calling a man out and threatening his livelihood . All these new bloggers on and it's amazing. Last count 371 logs. Wow. Where were you guys? If you have been reading these blogs all along you'd see who has been on the bandwagons and who has been against us all along. Where did you guys come from? Do you run into another BEARS fan and say;"Man I'm Pissed about this crap with the BEARS where can I go to vent"? Because here you are. Also,let me go to the game and chant something and see if it comes true."Pay my rent "or something like that. Only in Chicago do we actually think that if we chant hard enough it will happen. Forget prayer,let's chant. I'm sure if Dusty Baker read these blogs he'd say;" leave my name out of it.I wish I was winning." But if winning wasn't enough he would've been fired anyway. You guys are something else. Give Rex a little chance. He got back from a three game road trip and you guys attacked him right off the bat.Didn't show him no love. I expected him to fail after that. The man has no tangents. We don't know if weather is his thing.If noise is his thing or if defenses are his thing . We're just throwing out variables and saying what we think. Maybe loud obnoxious drunk fans is his kryptonite. We have a lot of that here. Maybe being on the road will get him back in gear. In the nice warm climate. Maybe he'll surprise you guys and you'll be like Emily Latella from Saturday night live and say after these rants "NEVER MIND". We have absolutely NOTHING TO LOSE with him starting the NEXT game. If Griese is a solid veteran and he has the respect of his players he'll be ready if needed. If we lose and every one else in the NFC win we'll still be ahead with games against inferior NFC talent to play against. Now, I'm not completely sold on Rex but it's easier to let him start without all the hostility that you guy are exhibiting. I don't see why people Bit-h and complain so much when they know that they hate when people bit-h and complain to them. Have you ever had a friend call and start to complain about his wife or girlfriend? Once he says "guess what she did" you find an excuse to get off the phone because you don't want to hear it. But I guess if my name was rinandstympy4life I'd do more complaining and letter writing to get someone fired. Do you guys do that at the Taco Bell and the JC Penney? Now I see why so many people can't keep jobs. You all get bugs up your butt and get them fired. Get a life ,man. I know it wasn't exactly 371 posts. Some of you guys pushed send too many times. I guess it's more like 325 but,WOW, that is a lot. Just like roaches. When I turn my lights on I wonder where did they come from. Keep the faith. GO BEARS!!!
I think it's great that we have so many die-hard fans. I love Chicagoans but it makes me sick sometimes that we don't listen to people who know better. I read these blogs and a guy will make a great point and I'll say that's it all of it in a nut-shell. End of story . And another guy will come out and make such an asinine comment and it grow legs. You guys are so hard-headed. We have the greatest theorists and some of the most pointless people in our city. But I love you guys. You change with the weather. But please leave Dusty Baker out of your comparisons to Lovie. You're gonna make his comments right about you. I'm not gonna comment on what those comments are but please think before you talk. I know it's hard but give it a chance. Just once. You can do it. Are you doing it? Good. Don't you feel better now? Hold on to that feeling!! That Said,GO BEARS!!
Bears are 10 - 2.
Bears are Division Champs (2nd straight year)
Bears coach, Lovie Smith, that accomplished that says Rex is QB
Works for me.
BTW, IMO- Rex Grossman plays "on the edge". Guys that do that are fabulous when "on", and horrific when "off". Let Grossman settle in at the position and he'll be fine.
GO BEARS!
Stay with REX. He has the ability. Greise hasn't done anything to prove he is the go to guy. But Lovie should have put Griese in last week when the Bears were up 21-6 and let him get the rust off and have game time experience
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Grossman reminds me of a Brittany Spears song (Oppps I did it again).He has become timid and scared.You can see it in his eyes.Hes been saying I'm going to look at the film and fix it.BAA HUM BUG
Leave Grossman in there! I'll be the first to admit that he had a horrible game last week. Many times I see fault in the offensive line but not last week. However, if Griese is the answer why isn't he the answer for other teams. Why hasn't he been the answer lately in the NFL. He doesn't have it. Grossman is still playing as a rookie quarterback. One problem with Chicago sports fans is they want rookies to save the world. We learn by making mistakes. Let's stay confident as a city and give Grossman the support he needs to suceed rather than bury him. He's obviously pressing to impress the city. Let's relax take the pressure off of him and let him know we're in his corner. He had no pressure from the city at the beginning of the season and he performed well. Another thing that hurt his performance was the Vikings run defense. They've got a strong front and killed our running game. I stick with the kid!
I say stick with Rex. Such short memeories you yank him for Griese people have. He has played exceptionally well in 6 games and they are 10 and 2 with him as the starter, unlike Griese who went 6 and 10 his first year with Denver. If Griese is so good why did Shannahan dump him for Jake Plummer, shy did he leave Miami and why did Gruden dump him in Tampa Bay for Chris Simms. If they pull Rex now he will never be the same. He is a good QB. You need to stop whining and look at where the Bears are right now. Lets give our QB the chance to prove himself we all saw how good he played at the beginning of the year. I believe he can do it again.
Better play calling would really help Rex as well. They started out the Vikings game right, giving him short passes to build up his confidence, mixing in a bunch of runs, doing the rollouts to get him out of the pocket. After that, the play calling got really inconsistent, and Rex got downfield-happy again.
Look, as long as the Bears keep winning, keep Rex in....why? B/c he is still a 'rookie' QB that needs the reps. And as long as our Bears keep winning, we are not in jeopardy of losing homefield during the playoffs. Yeah, yeah, I can hear some of you yelling that our D deserves equal respect by giving them [our D] a QB that gives them time off the field. I really can’t argue with that. But, it just seems to me that if the management really and truly believe that Rex is the franchise QB they’ve been after all these years, then he needs to be groomed and the only way you get that is by giving him reps. HOWEVER, having said that, I’d replace Rex if homefield advantage is in jeopoardy b/c of a loss DUE TO HIS POOR performance.
After reading all the posts on should Rex Start or not, I think I speak from an advantage since I've lived in Florida for the past 20 years and have seen Brian Griese play week in and week out on local TV. Believe me when I say this but what you are feeling right now about Grossman is Exactly what Buc's fans were thinking about Griese. I think that the proper perspective is to look at this like a baseball game. Pitchers don't always go out with thier best stuff, but do come away with wins. Ask Greg Maddux, Mark Prior, etc. The point being now is the time to work out the kinks while other teams are pouring on the blitzes and pressuring him so when the playoffs come around you have some kind of sceme to counter the "book" they have on Grossman. Lovie is right, we need to be patient and work through this. When Rex finds his mojo again, all this will be a distant memory.
Rex is the Quarterback and it is time for the suntimes & all of it's reporter's to understand that they are not the Head Coach of the Chicago Bear's & shut up. the end.
Stick with Grossman since we are 10 and 2 and just clinched the divisions he deserves to go out there ande shouw us that it was just the bacd weather on sunday, although it will not be an excuse for the playoffs because anything goes. I believe that we should have grossman at least finish off the season and see what he really is made of then make the adjustments as needed, if we have to play Brian or even Kyle to win we must take it into consideration. As long as it gets us to the SuperBowl... GO Bears!!
I had Griese on my fantasy football team years and years ago when he was in Denver. Believe me, you don't want to play him in fantasy football or in real life. Sitting Grossman down for a couple of games is not the way to get him his reps. Also, I've never heard anyone mention McMahon in the same group as Favre, Manning, Elway. But the Bears won a Superbowl with McMahon, a great running game, and a devastating defense. Sound familiar?
The bigger question regards the Bears' future, which Griese has no part in no matter how you twist it. Lovie is smarter than many coaches and most of the folks that have opined here. Rex has proven capable of being the best Bears QB since Wade or Luckman (MacMahon had charisma and confidence, but wasn't all that terrific), and capable of the worst play by an NFL QB. The latter is far easier than the former. And luck, my dimwitted friends, had nothing to do with his first 5 games. Rex is truly a Bears QB because he's proven himself a "head case". Now he has to learn to control his mental game and Lovie knows best that the only way to do it is to work through it. Superbowls for years to come trumps a quick win with Griese.
I have seen just as much anger in this blog at Lovie, Turner and Angelo as there is at Rex. I guess we should fire them before the playoffs too. Quick, everyone in the blog start sending in your resumes to Hallas Hall so the Bears can find coaching replacements!!!
Yeah, Griese would be a better choice at this time, they could make the playoffs with him. Oh, Yeah, they already did that. But, they ain't winning a superbowl with a GAME MANAGER!
SIT REX DOWN FOR A GAME OR TWO, TO GET HIS HEAD SCREWED ON STRAIGHT, AND TO CORRECT HIS MECHANICS. IF GRIESE DOES WELL, LET HIM START UNTIL GAME FIFTEEN, THEN GO BACK TO GROSSMAN. AT THE END OF THE REGULAR SEASON EVALUATE BOTH QBS AND PICK ONE AND STAY WITH HIM THROUGHOUT THE PLAYOFFS.If we want to win,we must do this.
If so, Smith is clearly not correct in blindly sticking with Grossman.
Of course, he can change his mind with another bad performance by Rex in a loss on national TV but if he doesn't give Griese significant PT over the last 4 games, he is both arrogant AND stupid.
Pro sports these days are all about quick-fix, win now mentality. Why then, for Christ sake, are we waiting for Grossman to improve? Griese is a proven winner- a seasoned veteran. We don't need Mr. Big Play, Deep Ball, Touchdown on every pass Grossman. We need someone to just take care of the ball and move the chains. Let the defense and special teams do the rest. Grossman can't even do that. He throws terrible balls when he isn't even being pressured- balls behind the receiver, out of bounds, into the 3rd row, over their heads, I mean, he's brutal. Get Griese the reps he needs NOW while we're resting against this cake 4 game schedule. This could be decision that could make or break Lovie Smith's career in Chicago.
i think we should stick wit rex were 10-2 in the season if we trade QB now we might not have a chance. i've been looking in the website i found my friends blog i don't agreee with him. i have been seeing how many people have voting on what people want rex grossman/brian griese the score is rex wit 95,brian wit 65. so keep voting rex rules brian stinks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Bottom line: who would you rather have start in the playoffs? Gunslinger Rex or Brian "Mr. Consistant" Griese. To me its a no brainer. We can't chance that Bad Rex shows up against a quality team in the playoffs. Get Griese some snaps now so he's ready for the playoff run. Hell, Trent Dilfer won a Super Bowl for the Raves when theor D was insane. We need the same kind of performance to go all the way.
has anyone stopped to think maybe it's not Grossman but instead the plays called for him? true a QB should be able to read a defense and change a call at the line but Rex is still basically a rookie. give him a game plan that exploits his capabilities and increase his confidence and decision making not one that invites bad decisions. complain all you want about Rex but let's not overlook the fact that he does not call the plays and 5 and 10 yard passes still get you down field and also eat up the clock keeping the best defense in the league fresh and ready to do thier devestation to the opposing offense. instead of calling for Rex's head look at the offensive co-ordinator!
We are winning games, stick with Rex until we are behind in a game and then bring in Greise. R. Turner's play calling is pathetic and has alot to do with Rex's 1.3 rating. Passing on 3rd and 2? Passing late in the 4th when we need to run down the clock? Passing on 1st down? Ron Turner is the main problem, he sucked at U of I and he sucks here.
What if Rex is benched and Griese starts and he does bad? What then? I am sick and tired of the Bears QB musical chairs! I think the first 5 weeks show that Rex needs to work out the kinks and they'll be fine. The problem with us Bears fans is that we panic too much. They're 10-2 and we act like they're 2-10.
In some ways, Grossman has been hurt by the dumbing down of Ron Turner’s offense, just as Orton was a year ago. That only makes a QB unsure of himself and throws a hint of doubt into his decision-making under pressure...It's the play calling...Rex is fine!
Start Griese...He will struggle which is a good thing, as long as the Defence keeps the game in control. Rex will watch the game form the sideline until Griese needs to be bailed out....at the right time send Rex in to save the game...a few passes to D.Clark to warm him up and I'll bet he puts points on the board - regaining his self confidence and back on the road to the QB he was at the beginning of the year.
There is a reason you guys are sports writers and not football coaches. Weren't you the same idiots that said the Bears would't win more than 6 games last year and no more than 8 this year? You are almost as good at your job as Rex has been at his. Let's start a Blog to replace all of you.
My main problem with the situation is simply, why not play Greise for series or two during a game when Gross-man 's rating 1.3 . Put Gross-man [gross could mean UGLY] back in and if no improvement: bench his sorry behind. Just one question, Why is everybody so down on ORTON?
Hey Dale, under your theory ORTON should be the QB. He was 8-2 or something like that last year, wasn't he? I liked Grossman when he was draftted, but I'm losing faith rapidly. If this were the CUBS i'd say bring back an old-timer like SID LUCKMAN
They have the division, what happens if Rex goes down??? You have a person who has played, but if Rex gets hurt? Then what? We should have will start coming out! Start the G man for maybe one game
Yea i just want to say that I think rex is a great quarterback, we've seen what he can do, and we know what Griese can do. We need to stop making so much news about this controversy because it is just hurting rex' play. He needs to settle down and play his game like earlier in the year. Griese is not the answer. Grossman needs to keep playing to get better, and i know if they dont overload him with info he can. Our offensive numbers are far better than last year, we just need to run the ball. But I'll be the one telling you i told you so when Rex is the hero of Chicago again, when they win it all. DA BEARS
Yea i just want to say that I think rex is a great quarterback, we've seen what he can do, and we know what Griese can do. We need to stop making so much news about this controversy because it is just hurting rex' play. He needs to settle down and play his game like earlier in the year. Griese is not the answer. Grossman needs to keep playing to get better, and i know if they dont overload him with info he can. Our offensive numbers are far better than last year, we just need to run the ball. But I'll be the one telling you i told you so when Rex is the hero of Chicago again, when they win it all. DA BEARS
Stick with Rex. It's early enough to give him more time to right the ship. He's earned that much and when he's on, provides the best chance to win. Worst case, throw in Griese against Detroit and Green Bay.
THIS is part of why the Bears haven't had a "franchise QB" in, well, eons.
The fans get too impatient at the first sign of trouble, and ever eager to pander, the Bears brass dumps their young guy for a new young guy or a re-tread or other spare part.
Rex gave us a taste of what he can do. He really hasn't had the time to develop mentally and face NFL adversity. He is paying his dues now.
Think about Troy Aikman...26 games in as an NFL starter he had completed about 55% of his passes and had 20 TDs to 36 INTs. In his first 2 seasons in Green Bay, Brett Favre had 37 TDs and 37 INTs. Elway? 52% completions, 25 TDs, 29 INTs.
Rex? 20 games in, 54% completions, 22 TDs, 23 INTs.
Let the D and the Benson/Jones duo win the last four games. Let Rex figure it out. I bet he does.
Grossman Sucks!!! We want a Change!!! Grossman has demonstrated his ability to quarter, and if it wasn't for our vicious defense, we wouldn't be division champs. We are not asking to keep Griese but give him a chance. Well.. and let time tell..
We're lucky the Bears can afford some Grossman clunkers right now because there HAS to be some in the kids first full season. Get 'em out of the way and there's plenty of time to get back in stride before the playoffs. He needs to play through it. We've seen what he can do in the right situations. Turner needs a better West coast game plan and Rex needs to find his rhythm in it. Come on, last week there were two 3rd and shorts and they called a pass on both of them and both failed. Maintaining momentum is important to rhythm and consistancy and that starts with play calling.
The thing you have to keep in mind is, Rex was shaky in the preseason, then "turned on" during the early regular season. 1) Did anything think he was really "working on things"? 2) That there's an "on" switch that'll be turned on?
Way I look at it, play him, and this can help defeat this "Rex is our QB no matter what" thing, that permeates from at least Angelo, and upwards...
Rex Grossman should remain Starting QB. Fans can be fickle but the only way to build a winning team and a winning player for that matter is live game experience. I'd love Rex to be error free but few QB's are. Let him play. Remember a guy named Jim Harbaugh, he had some bad games as a Bear QB too but we let him go and flourish elsewhere. Let's not run our best shot at a franchise type QB out of town after what amounts to his first real extended playing time. Also remember this guy has lined up under center now for 12 straight games.
Stick With Rex!
At the 49er game leading 41-0, they put in Griese for the second Half. What Happened? We were outscored 10-0 in second half. Griese could not move the ball. We will be 14-2 and I for one look forward to seeing the Cowgirls get their asses kicked right here in Chi-Town. The Shark and his D prevail!!!!!!!
KEEP GROSSMAN IN A COUPLE MORE GAMES. TECHNICALLY, THIS IS HIS FIRST FULL SEASON. EVERY ROOKIE HAS THEIR UPS & DOWNS. HE'LL SHAKE IT OFF AND GET BACK TO WHERE HE WAS AT THE BEGININNG OF THE SEASON. ALSO, FANS SHOULD SHOW MORE SUPPORT FOR HIM AT THE GAMES INSTEAD OF BOOING ALL THE TIME. THAT DOESN'T HELP EITHER.
For the love of all that is good and holy, give Griese a go! He can't be any worse, can he? You can always put Rex back in if he is (perish the thought).
I love it when people who have never played a down of competitive football become experts. The bears are 10-2 and although he is making mistakes he is our QB. He has been making bad decisions and his mechanics are fine. He is looking off the FS and not throwing off his back foot unless there is pressure. Bears fans should be happy, but instead they are showing their ignorance. Maybe if the Sox had won another WS all of the moronic fans who are screaming for Rexs head would be in a drunken stuper of euphoria. Leave him in...and when we win the super bowl dont hop back on the bandwagon! stay on the Southside and root for the Cards!
You guys are suppose to report the news, not coach the Bears. To be fair, there needs to be someone looking over you shoulders 24/7 letting everyone know every time you mess up. Leave Grossman alone, if he has a confidence problem, it's because of your newspaper.
Those of you who have ripped on Griese and said he is a career back-up and average at best dont know one thing about Griese. Your too far up Grossman's ass to know anything but what you want to believe.
As a rookie, Griese was a member of the Super Bowl champion Broncos, though he primarily watched from the sidelines. Elway retired after that season, and Griese then became a starting quarterback, earning a place in the 2000 Pro Bowl, the same year his QB rating of 102.9 earned the NFL QB rating title. (That was HIS first year, BTW Gross man fans)
Griese's performance declined after injuries and he was cut (see why he left Denver - Hmmm I am sure Denver would have cut Grossman after the 3rd year of injury) but later signed to the Miami Dolphins and then to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. His stint with the Dolphins, where his father Bob Griese was a legend, was brief. Griese was given the starting job when the Dolphins starting quarterback Jay Fiedler got injured. Griese had an excellent start as a Dolphin, passing for 3 touchdowns and 0 interceptions in a blowout victory against San Diego. But he was less impressive in later games due to lack of pass protection by a weak offensive line and was benched for the less capable but more mobile Jay Fiedler.
He was able to perform well for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, and provided a catalyst for the jumpstart of the Tampa offense. Griese helped them to their only victories in 2004 with a 97.5 QB rating and to a 5-1 record in 2005 before succumbing to a torn ACL. Griese was cut by the Buccaneers in 2006 after his injury to his knee in order to free up money for the salary cap. On March 21st, 2006, he signed a five year contract with the Chicago Bears.
He Ranks 14th in NFL history with a career passer rating of 84.8, compiled by completing 1,463-of-2,318 passes for 16,344 yards, 103 TDs and 78 INTs. His career totals in passing yards, pass attempts and completions are more than any QB in Bears history (Thats right Grossman fans - ANY Bears QB, oldest team in the NFL). Owns 16 career 300-yard performances, 33 multiple TD pass outings and 16 games of compiling a completion percentage of over 70%. Recorded superb totals during two seasons with Tampa Bay - the two years before coming here Grossman fans- (2004-05), registering a passer rating of 91.4 while completing 67.6-percent of his passes for 3,768 yards, 27 TDs and 19 INTs.
So, lets all shut up about the Brian Griese is a back-up crap because with that logic, Sid Luckman should be backing up Rex Grossman. You people are a bunch of jokers! Free your head from your asses now and breath in victory. Does not surprise me that people in chicago dont know what a good QB looks like.
Later!
If Rex performs the same way during the next two games, then I would say we have to go with Griese the rest of the way. I know players go through slumps, but this is getting rediculous. People are saying the defenses are making adjustments to Rex,..but when will Rex make adjustments to the Defenses. I say,"Griese in Two, if Rex keeps playing like Poo". Go Bears!
People keep saying to keep Rex because he's a "rookie" and he's just going through a slump, and we should if it was 2002, but we have a SuperBowl defense, and we can't let it go to waste for some QB project. Right now we need someone who can take care of the ball, and that guy is Griese
You are MORONS! Whether he decides to stick with Rex is not JUST his decision. Hello, I think a guy named Ron "my offensive scheme sucks" Turner may have something to say about the starting QB as well.
Additionally, what the heck are the Bears doing throwing the ball as many times as they rush the ball. That's right! The Bears, pass the ball as many times per game as they rush. THAT'S NOT BEAR FOOTBALL!
No my friends, the blame lies at the feet of Turner and Rex, but mostly at the feet of Turner. Don't get me wrong, Turner is much improved over Shoop, but not much.
Finally, get off Rex he is really a QB with 1 1/2 years playing experience.
As far as I'm concerned a TRUE Bears fan like myself, or Chicago sports fan needs to learn what the word Appreciation means. Where's the appreciation for a TEAM (including Bad decision-making Rexy) that's currently 10-2, Divisional winners and sits atop in the NFC... Every Sunday I'm screaming for the BEARS to run, run, run the darn ball. Give CED the ball and block as he's trying to punish defenders. That being said I'm calling out the Coaches mainly aloof Turner but in the End - passive Lovie to take this Gift of a team and use it to the Maximus become Gladitors of the MidWest (Monster were of the past, time to move on...) If we go into games running the ball with Cedric and Thomas, throwing to the tight-ends and backs in the flat and keeping our good core of receivers in the back ground waiting for the chance for a give and go route once teams start pressing - this whole City would be better off. Demand that your starting QB controls the game or we might just lose the Big One. It's time for the Coaches to take the next step and LEAD this TEAM to the Big Dance. Defence and ST can't do it alone. The buck stops at the top and the Coaches needs to QB this team and not Mr. Rexy. Give the rook some time and play him like he should with a leash!
Potential doesn't win the Super Bowl. Granted that the Bears are in the Playoffs but we all know how easily that can slip away. I think by pulling Rex's plug after the first interception of a game can certainly stop the bleeding and possibly wake him up. It's kind of like a puppy that keeps peeing on the carpet. If you don't remove the dog and put it out immediately after the offense, they're not going to learn where to go. Honestly, it's for his own good and should caulked up as a lesson learned.
Grossman should sit till the playoffs and let him get his mechanics together. Griese should start so Grossman should watch a veteran you are doing good at 10-2 but Griese should start thank you.
Brian needs to start in the mf games.# 14 is raw!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! GO BEARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This is Lovies team. But someone else needs to coach if Lovie dont put in # 14. We gonna go all the way if we put # 14 in more!
If anyone recalls, it wasn't Rex who cost the Bears the playoff game last year. It was the defense getting shredded by Steve Smith. So before anyone says Rex can't win in the playoffs, just remember that the defense needs to show up as well.
What is lovie seeing that we don't? Grossman will never be a top QB no matter how many seasons they give him .What a way to wreck a team,Rex's is a selfish player,he's more worried about the long bomb and not puting the team first ( doing the little things )also what has he done to EARN the starter position? Hey lovie guess what rex dose not give the team the best chance to win!You would be better off bringing Steve Fuller back than having Gross-Man,wake up lovie!Another one and out,what a shame.
the first half of the season rex was not that bad.lately he has been screwing up.now i am not goin to say that rex grossman is a bad player, but i will say because of him the the bears have no offense. the WRs are not getting the stats they deserve. i say lovie is a good coach, but right now he is making a terrible decision keeping rex in. i say since rex is not doing his job, i say take him out and give brian a shot.i say give him a chance to shine. rex had his turn and he messed it up. now its a griese shot. if rex stays in the rest of season the bears will not win the superbowl.
Definitely Grossman! He is our guy and he needs to play himself out of this slump. Plus the O-line needs to step it up, too. Also, maybe Des Clark should have caught some of those balls last week, ya think? Please do not blame the entire inept offense on one guy. When the offense was doing well, Rex certainly did not take all the credit. Nor should he take all the blame. He will get better -- he's a great potential! Look at Favre's 2nd year...18 TDs and 24 Int. P. Manning 1998 1st year with the colts 26 TDs and 28 Int. Rex is 18 and 17 right now. Seems like the great ones struggle early, don't they? Get off his back and just enjoy the winning season! Go Rex! Go Bears!
Okay, you morons that think Griese is so great. Here are his overall stats for his career. He has 103 TDs and 78 Int. Pretty average if you ask me. He's a good BACKUP but right now we don't need a backup. If Rex gets hurt, God forbid, then it's time to play Brian. End of subject. Let Lovie coach all you wannabes!
Apparently Lovie Smith has a case of memory loss i.e.the Bears defense has won all the games thus far and their two loses were the result of defensive breakdowns. We need a viable offense and will not get it with Rex Grossman. I could Quarterback the Bears and have the same results as "Rex the Hex".
Choose Brian because it seems like the good idea right now for the bears.Brian is a better QB than Rex because Brain doesn't throw 18 turnovers.Besides it seems like Rex is doing dumb choices . Rex is holding back the bears of winning games.
Smith is underpaid for a reason he has not proven anything, yet. I think Angelo has more to do with who plays and who doesn't than Smith. Rex is his boy and will play as long as Angelo says so. You CANNOT wait until the second half of a playoff game to make the switch as somebody in a previous post had stated. You can't put Griese in at that point with no "warm up" games and excpect him to "save the day" The switch needs to be made soon. I am for giving Grossman the first half of the ram game to show something if he still is not getting the job done then the switch should be made at that point. This should be his last chance as the playoffs are getting close and we need to wrap up home field advantage.
Is Grossman really what the Bears have waited and hoped for over the last three injury plagued seasons? If so, time to rethink the game plan and put in our winning quarterback and stop this disasterous display!
If the Bears want to win their first playoff game since 1991 Griese needs to play and NOW!
I have never been on the Rex bandwagon, he was a punk at Florida and he is still a punk today! Get ready to hold the clipboard buddy...
i like grossman as the bears QB but it seem like when the bears really need the offense he never show up i agree with lovie the bears are winners with grossman ( i understand it being a team game and sport) but how many games did the bears win with the help of the defense and the offense never show up all that said i still favor grossman as the bears QB
Grossman, but I agree with those who say pull him at halftime if he isn't getting it done...His performance early in the year, plus his ability to
throw deep and stretch defenses, has me willing to give him one more shot...But one more game like last week and it's time to put Griese in.
Stay with Rex. Be careful what you wish for. if you get Griese, just remember this...the coverage will come in tighter, there will be many dink and dunks, and 4 yard passes on third and 5. Oh yes, the occasional INT. Trust me, Rex is the deal. Just be patient. Griese has shown he is a career back-up.
Rex has star potential...He's the best choice at QB. When is the last time we've see a quarter back that can throw for more than 200 yds? Go Rex....Go Lovie....Go Bears!!!!!!!!!!!!!
while we bears fans debate on which QB should start, Cowboy fans are alread talking Superbowl. Check this out from a Cowboy fan blog;Forgive me. I just don’t buy into the theory that the Chicago Bears will waltz through the NFC Playoffs, even if they lock up homefield advantage as expected.
Unless you’re the ’85 Bears or the ’00 Ravens, history shows you typically have to exhibit some sort of offensive and defensive balance to reach the Super Bowl. One can argue this year’s club is the reincarnation of the “Monsters of the Midway�. But the way Rex Grossman is playing, I don’t think they’re guaranteed a spot in Miami. He’s just too inconsistent, and at some point, he’s going to cost them another game. Their defense can’t be a surrogate offense week in, week out.
So where does that leave the Cowboys? We might find out in Chicago sometime in January, who knows. The Cowboys look like they’ve got enough talent, depth and balance to compete with anyone in the conference, anywhere. They still have some tough games ahead, but a wild-card berth at the very least looks probable.
Then we might see what happens against ‘Da Bears...
It's funny they are already looking ahead for a matchup against us.
most of you fools need to learn how to spell before calling anyone dumb. keep grossman, I am thinking just like lovie is, long term, imagine the unthinkable the bears being knocked out in the playoffs with Griese at QB then were back to step one again next years, but this time with a QB that has shattered confidence and we all know that Greise is not the answere and did I forget to tell you how young and inexperienced Rex is. Keep T-Rex despite his performance lately, hey think back to when Rex replaced Orton, do you want to go back there again? if yes vote for Greise.
Go Bears
from AZ
Rex is his own wost enemy right now.
Start Griese and put the kid on clipboard duty before he plays himself out of the league.
He has already become a national Joke as a QB on a high profile team and I listen to all of the sports media from overseas!
If Lovie truly cares about the kid he should sit him and allow him the opportunity to come in in a gunslinger save the day kind of game, if one should occur (via the Kyle Orton situation)
He is playing against ghost right now and he will not win knowing the next time they lose....all that he has lived to become will be comming to an end.
Grossman has proven that he cannot quarterback on a consisitent basis in the NFL. The Bears will not win a single game in the play-offs with T- (terrible) Rex at the helm. Bobby Douglass looked like a hall-of-famer compared to T-Rex.
Start with Grossman. NO MATTER IF HE IS GOOD OR BAD, play Griese in the second half. FOR 2 REASONS!
first rest Grossman and don't get him hurt playing a full game. Second, Griese needs to get kinks out in a REAL game. Let him have the second half. What if we stay with Grossman and he gets hurt? This way you have two QB's ready to play.
It is very obvious Grossman is not the Bears future, and probably was not a wise pick. Just compare him to Lienart stats of AZ...and AZ has absolutely nothing in regards to an offense or defense. He makes Grossman look like a high school QB.
The press conference after the last game said it all..Rex has no clue what he is doing in the NFL. I vote for Griese.
I would start Greise. Maybe that might light a fire under Rex's arse and get him to develop a slight smidgen of patience and a tad bit of common sense. LOL! We need a QB that won't lose game for us back there.
Leave Rex Grossman In. All the People that are calling for him to be pulled were singing his praises earlier in the season. Give the guy some time; he has only played in what 18 or 19 games his whole NFL Career. Grossman will find his pro bowl form like he had at the beginning of the season. Just put your trust in him and things will surely turn around. Coach Smith would not stay with Grossman if he didn’t have the certainty that things will turn around. Go Grossman and Go Bears!!!
I think that Rex peaked early, the defenses were not quite ready for his quick release.
He just has to discipline himself.....have Rex carry a footbal with him wherever he goes, just a a reminder that he must protect the ball at all times.
Yeh, I'd like to see him with his dinner ball at the table.
L.R.
It's time for Griese to take over and for the Bears to put Grossman into a 'development program."
Lovie Smith keeps insulting Bears fans' intelligence when he deadpans into the camera that the Bears are 10-2 with Grossman I would like to hear him say that his team is 10-2 BECAUSE of Rex Grossman. I think they're 10-2 DESPITE Grossman.
I have been a Bear fan for longer than most of you have been alive. I am sure Rex Grossman appreciates your kind words and all of the support that you are giving him. I hope that you are all perfect in your lives and never have to ask anyone to go to bat for you. Where are the "real" Bear fans?
Griese has won a Championship in college and was a quarterback in the Pro Bowl. He's not really old and last season before getting hurt was a league leader (again). Rex Grossman hasn't achieved anything remotely close. There shouldn't be a debate.
How can anyone have watched this season unfold and possibly say Rex should start. First of all, I have Tivo'd all the games and watched and analyzed them. Rex has had 4 decent games this year and in those games he was indeed fortunate not have at least 8-9 picks that were very risky throws or just plain dropped by DB's and LB's. Secondly, he is just to erratic, too short, rarely makes the correct read and just flat out is not what this team needs. Griese, however is a proven performer ,who minimizes mistakes. When he first came up with Denver he was a special player. He had some off field problems(drinking) which sidetracked his career and almost-if it weren't for his NCAA Championship and pedigree(Dad), he would be out of the league. That said, he is healthy and ready to lead this Bear team to the SB. With Rex, the Bears will get throttled by a playoff caliber defense. They need to go with Griese and run Benson and TJ all the way to Miami.
I haven't seen quarterback play like Rex put up in the first 5 games in my 30 years as a Bears fan. I have to believe Rex's "upside" is higher than that of Greise. That being said, I NEED TO SEE THE "FIRST FIVE GAME REX" IN THE FIRST HALF OF THE RAMS GAME. If not, it's time to get Greise ready for the play-offs. The Bears cannot squander this Super Bowl opportunity for the development of the "Quarterback of the Future."
The future is now! Anything less than a Super Bowl birth (in my mind) is a complete failure.
The bar is high!
GO BEARS!
Why is this all about Rex Grossman? The Bears' offensive line could certainly stand to improve its pass blocking. Meantime, there's so little upside to benching the QB you'd like to build around and resorting to a quick-fix journeyman you've hired as strictly an insurance policy. Above and beyond all of this, the numbskulls at Soldier Field simply have to stop booing whenever Grossman stubs his toe. As a lifelong Bears fan, that's a far great embarrassment than anything Rex has done.
Griese - unless Grossman can prove on Monday night that he can protect the football, check-down to underneath routes, stop throwing off his back foot, and throwing up-for-grabs college-style deep balls, he should be pulled. It's an indoor game against the Rams. No more excuses. This is the Bears' best chance of winning the Superbowl. Put Griese in, use Benson more and watch us win it all.
Everybody is talking about Griese as if he's a 31 yr old BOB Griese sitting on the bench.(unbeaten season, 3? Super Bowl wins for the Dolphins in the early 70s)
Unfortunately we don't have him. We have his son, Brian, who's had an up-and-down career. He'd be another experiment.
As a guy who usually likes the working guys over the million-dollar babies, like Steve Walsh and that guy that passed for the second-most yards in Bears history against the Vikes one day, Jim Miller, but had to "wait and see how practice went that week". What a joke that was, the second-most passing yards ever and they weren't sure he was their best quarterback for the next week.
Anyway, as little faith as I have in Grossman, I like to see the defense outscore the offense and I like those long bombs when Berrian is healthy, so I say stick with him.
Don't jump ship. Leave Grossman in. With the Bears No.1 defense, their very successful running duo, a favorable end-of-year schedule and a lot of parity in the NFC, the Bears are in a unique sweet spot to at least get to the NFC championship game. Leaving Grossman in enables him to develop for long term success with the Bears and the Bears need a long term solution to their year-after-year quarterback problem. Leaving Grossman in also enables him to overcome his judgement deficiencies. Should he be successful in overcoming these problems, I'll be heading back to Chi-Town to watch the Bears / Patriots 1985 Superbowl rematch.
I would start Grossman in the first half. They are playing indoors, on turf, against a team that has lost 6 of its last 7 games. Ideal conditions for him to attempt to right the ship.
If he struggles similar to the Minnesota game, Griese must start the second half. I don't need "first five games Rex" - just no turnovers, better than 50% completion rate, and checkdowns unless someone is wide open.
John F, I agree. Rex Deserves another shot simply because his play in the first half of the season. he made the Bears look unbeatable. I would give him one half to get his act together. And he wouldn't even have to be lights out. Just don't throw any picks. I guarantee if he has merely modest numbers, that would boost his confidence. GO BEARS!!
LET'S GET GRIESE !!!
GROSSman is done in my books.This is what Lovie Dovie is not thinking about,with the defence on the field as much as it is,can you imaging how our year is gonna end very quickly if something happens to # 54 .
Everybody is doing there job...except for # 8 GROSSman, well I guess it's time to look for another Q.B. and head coach...BEAR A HOLIC.
I hate to say this but REX is and should be the QB. He is unfortunately, the best QB in the lineup. They simply have to improve the play calling. I dont know why they are obsessed with long passes. After last week performance, we know he cant get any worse. Its simple Rex, avoid giving up turnovers and your team can go unbeaten the rest of the way.
Greise. He may not light up the scoreboard, he might be boring to watch with his 4 and 5 yard passes but he won't average 4 turnovers either.Greise's style of play is more suited for the bears style of play especially in freezing playoff weather on the lakefront.Greise would make a pro-bowler out of desmond clark with the dumpoffs and both our rb's would benefit with 3rd and shorts instead of 3rd and 10.All we need is a game manager who will not turn it over and our D and ST will take care of the rest.
You might think I'm crazy, but I think Lovie is playing all of us for fools. The media and the rest of us have incessantly clamored for the prompt dismissal of Rex while stating the case that Lovie isn't thinking about the postseason and is blinded by his loyalty. But consider this scenario. Lovie replaces Rex in favor of Griese at St. Louis. Griese lights it up, the Bears win convincingly. The law of averages will kick in, and the rest of the league will eventually catch up with him (as it has in the past) and exploit his weaknesses. As the post season rolls around, now you have potential for a full-fledged quarterback controversy, a divided locker room, and two known quantities (mediocre quarterbacks). I believe Lovie is staying with Rex with the post season squarely in his sights. If Rex continues to struggle all the way to the end of the season, and into the first quarter of the playoffs, Lovie still has a trump card up his sleeve. Griese. Although the Bears won't know fully how Griese will react, neither will the opponent. Put in Griese while the offense is staring down at their cleats on the sidelines after another Grossman pick and all of a sudden you can hear the chants emerge from the stands "Rudy! Rudy!". Instant hope and motivation at a time when you need it most. So I say you are a wise man, Mr. Smith, and stay with Rex...until the second quarter of the first playoff game.
John F.,
You and I rarely have seen eye to eye but I do have agree with you. Rex needs to start to see if he can somehow get back to where he was at the begining of the year. The play-calling must be better and Turner needs to put Rex in managable situations. He needs to regain his confidence. The only way to do this is by calling short to intermediate passes. Then and only then can you call for the hoerun ball. He needs to get into a rythymn early and that might lead to good Rex reintroducing himself to his team and us fans. If he continues to struggle a change must be made
Ok. I was the biggest GROSSman fan until this past weekend against the Viqueens. No way does GROSSman NOT pass to Mckie wide open in the flats on 3rd and two. No way does he NOT see Muhammad wide open on a perfect hitch and go route. I honestly believe that GROSSman is better than Griese but after this weekend, Wrecks has LOST his job. Lovie would have benched any other player in the same scenario (See Chris Harris week 2). I can't understand the logic behind this one... There seems to be some inconsistencies. The only problem I have with Griese is IF/WHEN Lovie goes with Griese, there is NO turning back... We're stuck with him throughout the playoffs and I'm not excited about that option either.
Griese. You want a reason I will give you one. 1.3 passer rating. It CANNOT be any worse starting Griese. I am SURE he would manage the game better than rex and avoid most turnovers. What does it take to make the switch. We have a very rare chance to go all the way and your going to risk it on a guy that throws for 34 yards. You have got to be kidding me. This is easy go with Griese.
bears don't make many mistakes, just keep making the same ones over and over again. They will start rex, and since game is indoors, he probably won't be as bad as last game. So lovie can say, Rex is our quarter back and angelo can hide in his office and the mcaskies can draw their salaries and their bonus checks for being champions of the nfc north. wow lets all celebrate.
Gotta stay with Rex this week. Lovie is right.
There is no way that Sunday's game against the Vikings could have been the breakout game for Grossman that people were expecting.
1. Vikings had best run defense in league, were likely to shut down the run forcing Rex to try to beat them passing.
2. But conditions were lousy for passing as both Grossman and Johnson found out. Strong winds, etc.
3. Of Grosssman's 3 interceptions, only the first was truly terrible. He had another guy open in the endzone. The second one was a perfectly good punt. (kidding). The third one was bad luck.
On this day 20 was a good QB rating.
So give him his shot in St. Louis. If he continues to stink up the joint then try Griese.
Grossman is garbage in his 1st 5 games he was just lucky with all the droped interceptions, and diving catches by the WR made him look better then he was. Grease looked good in pre-season he is not a great QB but we dont need a great one with out D. Also lovie should be fired today to have a coach this dumb does not make sence he is just another Dick J. only a litter dumber we need a real coach who will get mad. call Ditka then fire Lovie. then lets win this Super Bowl.
Greise should have gone in second half against Vikings. Start Rex at St. Louis, if he doesn't protect the ball, bench him. This team would be without question best in NFL with an average ball control offense.
I'm sorry is this Lovie Smith or Dusty Smith. The inability and stubborness of this coach is ridiculous. I say that if he continues to show this attitude that he needs to follow Dusty Baker out of town. Our coach should be somebody that you respect. How can you respect a man that accepts dismals performances again and again. His stubborness will definitely and up hurting the team and therefore he should be gone.
Go with REX....
How soon we forget...
His Numbers were UNREAL in the beginning of the season, teams watch Film, adjustments are made; Rex will adjust as well, he will learn, he will get better again; and all of the media will do their usual turnaround at how smart Lovie is.
Lovie Smith seems to be a smart guy. So there has to be someone else in his ear when it comes to making the decision on whether to bench Rex Grossman or not. That's the only reasonable excuse I can come up with because it's so obvious that a change need to be made at the quarterback position.
Griese!
The Bears don't need a great quarterback right now - just someone who can understands how to play it safe & NOT give the game away. If the coaching can get Grossman to buy into that philosophy, they'll be fine; if not, pull the plug for someone who can.
I was really rooting for Rex to turn it all around and prove the naysayers wrong. That is until his third interception against New England. It was at that point right there I realized this is just not working. Period. What's it going to take for The Bears to realize this? I thought for sure if he threw a couple picks in the first half against Minnesota they'd have Griese start the second half, but it didn't happen. They can protest all they want, but if Rex doesn't make a miraculous turn around and quick we most definitely WILL be seeing Griese start for the playoffs. I don't care WHAT they're still saying now. And you know, that's not too bad of an option. Here's a guy who may be considered a "mediocre" journeyman QB, but correct me if I'm wrong, does he not have better career numbers than virtually any QB in the history of The Bears? The thing that gets me is with our defense and special teams we don't need to be throwing the risky deep ball anyway, It's just not necessary. Griese would suit Da Bears just fine. I really like Rex. I think he's a good kid, but enough's enough. Bring in Griese!
he realy is gross man
I have never been a fan of Rex but was willing to let him have his chance. OK, he's had his chance and now it is time for a change. His last few games have been a nightmare. The turnovers and interceptions are killing this team. Yes we have a great defense and the special teams are very special, but you need to score a few points on offense or at least protect the ball! He can't even seem to get through a game without losing the ball on the snap! Come on, even my 21 monthold grandson can do that! The time has come to make a change or there will be another one and out posst season.
There is a reason Griese is a back up QB. Rex is basically a rookie, he will learn. 10-2 is not too bad. Give Griese some clean up time to keep him awake. Chicago fans complain too much. The offensive line needs to step up, they will. To win you have to believe you can win, for whatever reason Grossman gives the players that feel. Griese is what he is, a back up. You don't go any further with Griese then you will with Grossman.
Rex is our superbowl quarterback. Rex is the best quarterback that the Bears have had on their team for quite some time. Not since Erik Kramer has a quarterback shown the skills that Rex has this year. As he is still growing as a QB, he needs to get better at making decisions. In my mind the way that he gets better is by playing through adversity. He is still the same QB that was lights out the first half of this season and he will get back to form. We now have four remaining games for him to work out the kinks to get ready for the playoffs. Go Bears and Go REX!! - Slim Tim
If Rex stumbles in the first quarter of any upcoming game, take him out. Rex needs to know that he is not the choosen one, and that poor play results in bench time. Other team QB's are reviewing photo's of the play(s) and our Rex just sits on the bench, sometimes smiling, with no coach in his face asking for immediate corrections or providing coaching assistance.
I also think that Bear fans should protest with their dollars. Don't go to the games, or stop buying anything at the game to make a statement, otherwise it seems what we want and pay for is meaningless to the Bears management. Comment with your dollars, stop spending at Soldier Field.
If the goal is to win the Super Bowl, our coaching is not giving Rex the tough Lovie Rex needs.
REX SUX! Come on Lovie it's time for a change. How many interceptions does it take.
REX SUX! Come on Lovie it's time for a change. How many interceptions does it take.
rex was finished before he started. its the mentality of chicago fans to stay the course no matter how bad or often they loose. we are used to it and conditioned for that. it seems that even with the writing on the wall, there should not be this 1/4 back question. if the guy plays like an idiot, get him out. any good coach can see that,even on the grade school level. if chicago ever wants to have any winning teams of any substance, the people cannot keep telling themselves basic sports lies about their so called players. either they have it or they dont. chicago has to get with it and so do the sports teams. it really makes no difference what the sport is, we need real coaches and honest fans not idiots like the teams put together here. so it is my opinion to take rex and hex out and lovie too, he needs to at least try the greeeeeesssss/what could be worse, if not we will never make it past the first round. it is also a terrible thing that the d---just cant play offense too/think of this, what could be worse then a 0.0/1.3 passer rating/-9 yards for 1 game or at least somebody who will try harder and has better eyes.
REX SUX! Come on Lovie it's time for a change. How many interceptions does it take.
Stay with Grossman if Griese is the only other choice. Griese has failed at Denver, Miami, and Tampa. Why would anyone think he would be a success now? He is not the present or the future.
Rex, because we are 10-2. Rex is our QB.
Griese. We can't afford to continue training Grossman. We need a veteran quarterback to minimize mistakes. Next year, we are losing a lot of our starters to free agency. We have the opportunity to win the Super Bowl NOW!
I think grossman should be taken out because he's throwing to many interceptions and to many incomplete passes also if he stinks they should put in brian gresie.
Definitely play Greise we need him to start preparing for the playoffs. If you don't start him you start looking for a new headcoach.
Griese should come in...it's rediculous, we have a superbowl team but Grossman will bring us down just like Orton did. We can't win with him handing the ball to the other team every play....and leaving him in is wearing out our defense. They need a break everytime they sit down they just have to get right back up again. At this rate our whole team is going to be shot before the championship game. We can't win the playoffs with Grossman and you can't bring in Griese cold so play him now see what he can do with the first string offensive linemen and our amazing defense! SUPER BEARS!! SUPER BOWL!!!
maybe it's rex...maybe it's lovie...maybe we're so used to losing...we can't accept winning. right on rex!
I would stick with Grossman for now. But at the same time I would not hesitate to pull him at halftime if he throws two interceptions or more and replace him with Greise.
The people bitching about replacing Rex as quaterback reminds me of a bunch of over demanding parents in pee-wee football. They all think their kid is the greatest thing and that the coach should replace the current player for their kids. All I have to say is "SHUT UP", last time I looked it was Lovie's team and since he's the coach, he can choose who he wants. If you can do better, send your resume to Hallas Hall!
Grossman needs to sit and get a reality check. His head is NOT in the game and wont be until he understands that he WILL get benched. Maybe if he sits the rest of this season out and Griese wins the Superbowl for us he will realize he can be replaced and needs to step up his game. I think I speak for about 60,000 Chicagoans when I say Bench Rex and start Griese.
This has been going on too long, I've supported Rex for weeks he's terrible. This is a business and the job he's done is dredful. Lovie will get the ax if he continues to be stubborn.
Theres no doubt in my mind that they should give Griese a shot...Rex got his shot and he has failed many times...Brian is the man
The Bears have not given a young quarterback a chance to develop for the last 20 years. With his past injuries, this is really Rex's first full season. He's smart and skilled. His fundamentals and consistency problems are correctable. The next four games are the ideal time to work out these problems before the playoffs.
The last game was brutal for all the quarterbacks. Brady was no shining star in the New England game, either. That should say something about field conditions and other factors at play. There are ten other people on the field who contribute to the quarterback's success and eleven others who are doing everything they can to stop him. Since the Bears are so good this year, every opponent comes in supercharged.
Give the kid a break. He's shown flashes of brilliance and is going to be a great one for us, with a little patience, or with someone else, if we give up on him.
rex was finished before he started. its the mentality of chicago fans to stay the course no matter how bad or often they loose. we are used to it and conditioned for that. it seems that even with the writing on the wall, there should not be this 1/4 back question. if the guy plays like an idiot, get him out. any good coach can see that,even on the grade school level. if chicago ever wants to have any winning teams of any substance, the people cannot keep telling themselves basic sports lies about their so called players. either they have it or they dont. chicago has to get with it and so do the sports teams. it really makes no difference what the sport is, we need real coaches and honest fans not idiots like the teams put together here. so it is my opinion to take rex and hex out and lovie too, he needs to at least try the greeeeeesssss/what could be worse, if not we will never make it past the first round. it is also a terrible thing that the d---just cant play offense too/think of this, what could be worse then a 0.0/1.3 passer rating/-9 yards for 1 game or at least somebody who will try harder and has better eyes.
RichK, I think your scenario is keenly on the money. I've already said that the BEARS already know what they have in Griese. They have confidence in him. I've said how they prepare Orton more than him because they know what they have. Look at the preseason,EVERYONE was clamoring to sit Rex because he was stinking up the joint. What did he do once the season started? Lights out. And look how long it took for the league to catch up with him? No one knows what Griese could bring to this offense. Rex is constantly going long. That's what HE wants to do. Right now he doesn't have to be all-world because we don't have our backs against the wall. Screw those guys if they want us to dominate opponents- that's what they're saying. This team is treating opponents like it's preseason all over again. Let Rex work through it or sit on the bench WHEN IT MATTERS. Right now,it doesn't matter. As much as you would like it to be it doesn't. Winning only means it plays out longer. I think that it's a win-win proposition for the coaches now. They can absolve themselves after you guys cast enough heat on them. Putting Griese in in the first post season game mean that opposing teams wouldn't know what he could do. How great was Romo once the Giants knew what he was about. He threw 2 INTs and no TDs in better weather than he's gonna have here in January. Like I've said I'm an optimist and I refuse to see that these coaches have unremovable blinders on. Maybe in the long run the blinders are just on you guys. I thought that winning solve a lot of problems. If I'm going to fire someone I think I'll wait for a real reason to fire them. What are we losing,RIGHT NOW. IN preseason what were we actually losing then. Give it some time people. We have at least another 6 weeks before we could be eliminated DURING our first post game. Wait before you leap off that proverbial cliff.GO BEARS!!!
Don't look at Lovey's decisions or Rex going downfield. Look up in the scout box at Turner. He's relaying weaknesses of the opponents defenses. Lovey can't see it from the field and Grossman can't see it because his linemen are huge. The Bears get something going and then they go away from it. i.e. Cedric Benson running over people. Maybe Ron Rivera should take over the offense play calling. I vote for neither. Rex needs a better play selection and Greise needs some snaps under game conditions. Instant miracles are not going to happen changing the quarterback. They'll happen changing the offensive co-ordinator.
Rex is not the quarterback that will take the Bears to the superbowl. He is another Cade McNown, a bust.
Lovie should just put Greise in, just like he puts in Cedic, another bust. Greise has the experience to play quarterback. And he will actually will win the playoff games to get them to Miami, (Superbowl).
FANS...TAKE THE PRESURE OFF REX..GIVE HIM SOME FRESH AIR. I FEEL HE NEEDS TO GO OUT AND PLAY THE GAME..HARD AND TOUGH THE WAY ITS MENT TO BE. I HAVE ALREADY WON MY FRIST BET IN VEGAS {THE PLAY OFFS} NOW GO FOR THE RING.
Brian Griese. I did not believe Rex was the right QB for this team at first because he has never played a healthy full season. Now I believe he doesn't have the mentality to be a patient and accurate QB in the NFL. It's a shame because he does have a quick release and throws a decent deep ball. The Bears need a QB that can eat up TOP with a controlled passing game an no turnovers. From what I've seen of Griese in the past, he can do this.
Brian Griese. I did not believe Rex was the right QB for this team at first because he has never played a healthy full season. Now I believe he doesn't have the mentality to be a patient and accurate QB in the NFL. It's a shame because he does have a quick release and throws a decent deep ball. The Bears need a QB that can eat up TOP with a controlled passing game an no turnovers. From what I've seen of Griese in the past, he can do this.
I say give Greise a chance,Grossman has not done well last few games.
Grossman is inept.Utilize
Griese.
Two Words: Brian Griese. However, lets not forget what the young grasshopper has done for us. Rex is a young guy and (god/injuries willing) has a long career and opportunities at his finger tips. I belive with his current performance record, tack one vote up for the verteran. In this situation, Rex should be next to Kyle taking notes. No tears Rex, all athletes have good days and bad days. As of right now, you're just not "in the groove". As an athlete, I promise, it will come back. Until it does, please do Chicago a favor, take yourself out if Lovie wont.
Now, heart is also torn. We are winning games with defense and special teams. Key words: "winning games". Changing one player can throw a whole team off. Sports is a very superstitious world. Do we want to fix what ultimatly is not broken?
Is this for real? Wake up Lovie before this year is a repeat of last year. Give Griese a shot before it's too late. Grossman has been the worst quaterback in the league for the last two months. The defense is the only reason they're still winning. Lovie is starting to look and act like Dusty, blank stares and totally clueless as to the situation. Griese or Grossman? Come on give Griese the ball, he can't do any worse.
I am convinced that it does not matter who starts at QB in Chicago. 50% of the fans will complain about it. Last year at this time we were all complaining about the lack of offense and awaiting the return of Rex to provide a spark. Now the spark has fizzled (I hope only temporarily) and we want to return to the dull offense. Careful what you wish for with Greise, he is not the "pro-bowl" quarterback everybody thinks he is. He also has had a longstanding problem with protecting the football.
Oh, by the way I stick with Rex and put my energy in supporting him and the team. Fans that criticize a 10 - 2 division champion team will only create problems. Why would you change the entire dynamic of the team at this point? Put your faith in Rex, he is here to stay whether you like it or not and this is not fantasy football. Dividing the locker room is all you will accomplish with this...
Life is full of bumps in the road. Rex is going through one of those times, but he has also shown himself to be an incredibly resilient person. Let us not forget what he has been through in his first two seasons. And after this really down time in his career this kid is going to come back stronger and more determined than ever to right the ship. By the end of the year, all this will be just some more flapping by the over exhilarated media. He’ll be fine the bears will be super bowl champions and this controversy will only be a foot note to the season.
Floyd R
Griese. It is not right to keep an ineffective quarterback in just because you want to justify a draft pick. This stopped being about football a long time ago.
How many teams has Greise played for? Has he been a savior any place else? Why was he available to begin with? Let Grossman play. Last fall he was the savior as a rookie as far as playing time is concerned. Let's hope tight ends and medium range passes are in the plan this week.
Leave Grossman in! Make no changes
Get GRIESE in there now! before its too late, the Bears may not be this close to a super bowl again for many years to come.
Obviously, the Bears need to start Griese NOW. But I am already insanely afraid that it doesn't matter anymore. The Bears brass have shown that they don't really want to win a super bowl. They want to develop a player, and if a superbowl is borne out of that, then that would be all the better. PRIORITIZATION IS ALL OUT OF WHACK and these guys are living in the twilight zone.
Bears should definitely start Griese. All that Grossman has proved is that he occasionally has phenomenal days against bad teams and that will not cut it in the playoffs. Griese has made a career out of being a turnover free game manager. He started his career at Michigan and had a team with the best defense in the nation. He led them to a national championship, by being efficient and mistake free. By doing the same thing he won in Denver and Tampa (he has also won playoff games). He is tailor made for a team like the Bears. His only fault is that he is not a "leader", however this team has enough character that it doesn't need one. Smith is starting a young player who was a first round pick over a proven veteran, because the young player has more of an upside. If this is his philosophy why wouldn't Smith start Benson ahead of Thomas Jones as well? Smith is doing the exact opposite at the runningback position, than what he is doing at the qb position. The offense should start Benson give him the ball 30 times a game and throw when they need to, with Griese. Not starting your best players right now is just bad coaching. Going deep unnecessarily is Turner's fault, I'm not sure what he is trying to prove that crap will not work in the playoffs. You must establish the run. Start Griese and Benson. Even if Grossman closes the season strong, he has proven that this year he doesn't have what it takes to lead Bears to superbowl. I still think he is the quarterback of the future, but we need to win a superbowl not just a playoff game. If Bears don't make NFC championship Smith should be fired.
Dave Aschinberg
hold out with grossman until we clinch home field advantage for superbowl. Ride it out, who knows...by then maybe rex can fix this "problem." I think the idea behind Lovie sticking with grossman is due to more of a mental aspect side of things for rex. Some times when people are down, they need to be embraced, not a slap in the face to bring them down more. If rex doesn't "feel/get better" by the time if and when we clinch home field advantage bring in greise, and see what happens! worse case senario...we're still in the playoffs.
I think Rex has had more than enough opportunities. He needs to be benched for his poor performance. The ball hangs in the air too long when he passes down the field and his short passes are way off. He does not handle the pressure very well at all. Our defense is constantly back onto the field because he turns the ball over so much. Someone on the defense is going to suffer an injury because of Rex.
we need to change QB's at the very latest the next game greise needs some playing time befor the playoffs he is going to be rusty and needs time to get into rythem grossman plays well in the next game and i mean really well or he is out no questions about that one
When every sentient being in the solar
system, with the seeming exception of
the coach, recognizes that Rex has
earned himself a trip to the practice
squad, you feel that there must be an
unexpressed explanation for Lovie's
insistence on maintaining the status
quo. What can it be? Fascinating!
I agree Leave Grossman in! Make NO CHANGES. He was the "Savior" last year and now everyone just wants to pretend he hasn't done anything this year. Every Athlete goes thru a rugh spell.
Accountability is a word that the Bears franchise does NOT seem to understand.
Lovie Smith will be held accountable for playing what will wind up being the worse starting QB in the 2006-07 NFL playoffs. It’s probably going to cost Lovie his job. At the very least, the respect that Lovie has cultivated the past 3 years has FALLEN down the drain along side Rex’s QB performance.
Rex will be held accountable for the Bears having a shot at the Superbowl this year. He will go down is history as the WEAK link to an otherwise extremely talented football team. His lack of pocket presence, lack of footwork, bad reads, and overall lacks attitude is going to cost this team and already has. Rex is basically a 4th year NFL player with high school mechanics.
Ron Turner has NEVER gotten an offensive team to a Superbowl. This year will be no different.
Ron Rivera. This team’s lack of a pass rush stems primarily with the Bears reading their own press clippings. This silly front 4 is all we need to pressure the QB mentality is killing the Bears on defense. Has anyone else noticed how the Bears pressure or lack there of is resulting in players OUT of position to make basic tackles on running plays?
It seems this teams is about to learn a PAINFUL lesson in accountability.
Unfortunately, the FANS will be left holding the bag. Once again.
Rex, unfortunately, suffrs from the "short man's syndrome." Too bad, for he's a nice guy and can throw the bullet when he can see his receiver. But in a league of giants breathing in his face, he will not make it -- especially if he cannot scramble out of the pocket. I would bring in a wiser, tested and truer Griese.
We're all being duped...and Lovie is a genius...just wait and see, come playoff time all this "practice" we're doing on offense will pay off. I see Des Clark back, Devin in the line up, and Ced running the ball...no one is gonna know what hit them in the playoffs. We win...mark my words
Brian Griese is Itzhak Perlman to Rex's Milli Vanilli. If you don't get that, you're probably in love with Rex or your're just plain stupid.
Grossman stays. How about establishing a running game. That would help Rex out 10 fold.
Let's give Griese a shot. How could he possibly do any worse? Throw for a 0.0 QB rating?! Also, Lovie loves to say we are 10-2 with Rex at quarterback. If you take away the 3 or 4 games that the defense and special teams have won for the Bears and now they are 7-5 in the middle of the wild card chase. Is Rex still Lovie's guy? I think not.
Griese. No question. Rex's last game was the worst performance by a winning NFL quarterback in three decades. Thats a fact, check it out. The last quarterback to fare worse and still emerge victorious was Norm Snead (3-for-14, 26 yards, two interceptions, 0.0 rating) with the New York Giants in 1976.
If we flush this season because of all of the Rex appologists, I will be pissed! 21 years people!
Why is Dusty Baker not in chicago anymore? It surprises me that in any other situation, there would be no debate. Not sure what 18 turnovers in 7 games looks like to anyone else but crap!
Rex gives us the best chance to win? Well, I guess wait until next year.
Its a joke and the nation is laughing at us. I think this sends a bad message to the rest of the team who needs to play at a top level to keep their jobs. Lovie Smith and Jerry Angelo should take a look around cuz they might be moving soon. Remember everyone, Tampa Bay won AFTER the Jerry show left.
I have no confidence in Rex Grossman. His early-season brilliance has been replaced by consistent deer-in-the-headlights ineptness. Coach Lovie Smith claims he has a plan to fix what’s broken. Yeah?...well, so did John Kerry, and we all know what happened to him. Perhaps Mr. Smith should take a military approach as a commanding general; if your major gun is misfiring in the face of the enemy, replace it immediately with one that works so that your side (or team) will win the battle. A 10-2 record means nothing in the critical post-season if the QB can’t do his job because he’s in a slump. Put in an immediate replacement who will get the job done and lead the Bears to victory. King Rex now plays like an unsure scared rookie while Coach Lovie wears blinders and believes that staying the course is the way to go. The only way Lovie’s going with this folly approach is downhill.
I wish I had that many time to screw up on my job with out getting fired so I say it time to sack the bad Rex. If Lovie continues being stubborn he might lose respect for his team and you don’t cut down the whole tree for one bad apple. In the spirit of democracy let the voting begin and let’s not have any hanging cads.
It shall be proven in the postseason that Lovie Smith is in fact a genius for sticking with Grossman. Alone I have figured out that the defense and Rex are working together under Lovies orders to keep games close. Sort of "playing possum" till the post season, then unleashing an offensive fury amongst the opposition. Although it kills me, as a Cowboys fan, I predict the Bears winning the Superbowl in the most lop sided contest ever played.
I would start Rex in the 1st half, but if he doesn't prove himself then he should be pulled for Griese. It's not worth losing the game just to give him a chance.
I would also start Rex in the first half and give him about 2 possessions, and if he fails, that's it. Put Griese in. Cade mcNown could do a better job than Grossman is doing. Then I would trade him at the end of the year. He deserves his walking papers.
Lovie Smith is the George Bush of the NFL - "Stay the Course". Rex Grossman is not playoff ready - stick with him and we're one and out..
Start Grossman but if he is
struggling put Greise in the second half.
Bring on the Griese!
Lovie needs to start excepting the reality that is Rex Grossman and stop living in that perception that is 10-2. Fine you clinched the division ( love the new shirts ) ... but what about the superbowl? can we Chicagoans get a taste of that again? I don't know what bothers me more, either the man crush lovie has on Rex or the fact that after so many abysmal performances he will not even give Brian Griese a couple of snaps. I hope that with the few games we have left in the regular season they let the guy get some action. The defense that we have is awesome! but you can't put all that pressure on them every week and miracles wont always be there when you need them (I.e. Arizona) At some point the offense will have to start carrying it's own weight and the man responsible for operating that offense should be held accountable for his actions or lack of.
A split ballot here. My son, age 10, thinks the Bears should give Griese a try. Why not see what he can do, he reasons. Me? I think I stick with Rex. Dance with who brung ya. I wasn't happy they dumped Orton for Rex last year after Kyle won 10 games, and I don't think Rex should be dumped now.
I say give Rex one more game and if he blows it this week, indoors and warm where he supposedly will play better.(Florida QB)Then kick him to the curb and bring in Griese.
For those calling for Lovies Head, well you must know by now that he's not calling the shots on this QB situation. Call JA he drafted Rex and it's his tail on the line now.
Im sick of all this talk about this is Rexs' first real season and to give him time. Does anyone realize that we cannot rely on the defense and special teams to bail us out every game.We have a great chance to get to the Super Bowl this year,I wouldnt wanna see that chance messed up because of the sub par play of Rex Grossman.At the very least we should give Griese a shot against Tampa Bay and see what happens.
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Griese, no contest. I find it very interesting that the Bears best running back, Cedric Benson is on the bench as well. Just who is running this team?
All this talk about who is the starter who cares! Grossman is the starter, help him try to get his confidence back and if he struggles again we need to see what Griese can do. The Bears have an easy schedule the rest of the year so why not start preparing for the playoffs and get Griese some playing time anyway. What if Grossman goes down with an injury?
Griese was great in Denver, better record than Elway. Go with a pro, go with Griese !
Griese should be the starter.
In the instances where you classify Rex as having a "good" game, it seems to be his teammates making all the plays. When he makes a risky throw into triple coverage and his recievers are having a good day, Rex looks like a genius, but in reality he is the same Rex, just luckier that day.
I don't consider myself a bears fan, but as I am from Illinois, i have to support them. Make the switch now, and the team will have time to acclimate with Brian before playoffs begin.
Rex, for sure. Let him play, don't make any changes. He started out good and I'm confident that his game is gonna improve.
I think that since the Bears have already clinched the North, Lovie Smith should play Rex in the first half and Brian in the second for the remaining games on this schedule and get them both ready for the playoffs; this would give the staff the opportunity to get both quarterbacks rolling and get some rhythm going into the postseason. Make the call based upon who's playing better and minimizing mistakes in the time they are given.
I would start Griese because Grossman as every Bears fan knows is just to inconsistant and maybe sitting for a game would do him some good. Because right now I do not believe that with Rex Grossman as the Bears QB he cannot lead them deep into the playoffs. If we were able to put Grossman in when Kyle Orton was winning then why can't we do it again?
Play Grossman. There's less pressure now that the Bears have clinched the division, and what he needs most is the time to develop. The reason there is a QB controversy this year at all is not because Griese is a savior, but because REX showed us how good this team can be when the offense is playing at the level of the defense and special teams.
I hate to admit it, but I do agree with coach Smith. BUT, someone has to tell Rex that he has to look off receivers and check the rest of the field. The other teams can see it when they look at the tapes of the Bears games and they know they can defend the pass by watching Grossman watch his intended receiver. It's easyto tell where the pass is going and the defenders know it. Rex has to learn from his mistakes. He is not! He has the talents needed to be a great quarterback but he hasn't learned to correct his mistakes. Find out how to get through to him before it's too late. Griese is a good quarterback but it's almost too late to get him involved in the offensive scheme of the game and I don't think he has the leadership that could carry the team through the playoffs. Rex might not be able to also, but he needs a lot of working with if we are to be the Super Bowl Champs this year. Next year is NOW!
It appears that just winning the division is good enough for Lovie and the Bears. What a waste. Grossman CANNOT play at this level. It's plain and simple. I've been saying this for 4 years and counting.
I say Grossman...He has lived up to his name, but you know, they are 10-2, point blank. Every team has their weakness. Weather it be D or O. Lets not look at all the wrong and look at what they do right. Team effort wins the game and since the O has not stepped up, the D and special teams has taken the Bears on their shoulders. Rex will start and Rex will git her done!! He is their leader.
start grossman but for the sake of bear pride bench him when he starts giving the game away . He is blind to his own mistakes.
How many games does he have to play before he sees
that his team mates are not
the ones catching the pass.
I would like to see Griese
get a chance at the QB spot.Maybe then Grossman will see how to pass .
Staying with Rex is a Got's To Do situation. He is clearly the most talented QB the Bears have. Griese is average at best. If Rex continues to stuggle badly the next to weeks, then the move can be made to Griese. He will only need a couple of games too get up to speed. Also, anyone who thinks Lovie Smith is a poor coach and idiot should be allowed to call themselves a Bears fan. For those that truely know football and love the Bears as I do, we know that Lovie is a great coach. 2 years - 2 division championships ... Enough said.
DON'T BE MORONS PEOPLE
GO BEARS
Brian Griese should start. Anyone with a quarterback rating of 1.3 should be benched.
In every other position, the coaches would have not hesitated to take out a non-performing individual and put in an alternative. Competition makes people better, and Rex has felt no consequence for his lousy play. The D and special teams are exquisite but they too will tire. Give Griese a chance to warm-up and improve before Grossman goes down with an injury or worse yet 'throws' our first round victory away.
Damn. All the mechanics,construction workers,bus drivers,cab drivers,policemen, nurses and various others now know how to change the fortunes or misfortunes of an NFL team. It's Chicagoans so I'm not surprised. Comparing Lovie to Dusty is low and speaks of a narrow mind. Dusty was losing and had been losing for several years. Lovie has done the opposite and if I recall we just won our 10th game in 12 tries. Fire me if I'm so inept but I think I'd end up with another job faster than you'd find another successful coach. Let's be realistic. We are not losing so it bears waiting it out somewhat. You guys are so used to losing that you're ready to stop coming to the games and forfeiting the last 4 games because you're so dissatisfied. Losing opens a Pandoras Box way more than winning so I'm surprised that it's opened so wide. Rex is looking like crap. No ifs, and or buts about it. But if the team that suit up in the locker room and spill blood on the field isn't concerned why should we be. Give it more time. If we're losing fine. Make the change but give it more time. Brad Johnson didn't fare much better than Rex and no one would expect a great game manager to implode as bad as he did. Our D is great but we have time on our side. Maybe not the guy who found out that he has two weeks to live. But if none of you are that guy,give it a little more time. The season isn't over if Rex looks like bigger crap on Monday. I don't know why it feels that way but to some it does. I wanna try something from Bad Boys 2:Grab each ear on the tip-pull slightly and say"WOO-SA" whenever you get the urge to throw something at the thought of Rex being the starting QB. Works for me.That said,GO BEARS!!!
Both... See how Rex does to start off the game. Evaluate his performance and if his interseptions are up and/or his persentage of thrown/complete is below 50% lets see what Griese can do for us to start the second half. Whoever we go with.... play smart and DONT TURN THE BALL OVER.
Rex'em? He's nearly killing 'em! Come on now... This fact that there is a decision to make here is more absurd than purchasing K-Fed's pending new book! It's time to Grease up the Bears offense.
Griese now or not at all this season. Give Griese four games to get confortable before the Playoffs.If you don't start him now, forget it.It isn't fair to him, later.
Rex is the Bears QB. He's basically a rookie and has to learn somewhere, sometime. He's in a slump but wil pull out of it if everybody would just get off his back.
Go Bears!
Griese should start [and to
be fair to him] prior to the playoff's.He's a proven pro bowl quarterback.
Grossman is too short to adequatley find his receivers and winds up making poor decisions.
The shotgun would probably
help him some,however the Bears pass on this formation.
I think Angelo is behind all of this,how many times
have Bear Fans seen his first round picks force fed
as starters and where are most of them now!!!!!
LOOK,ONCE AGAIN THE DEFENSE IS SO GOOD IT WINS THE GAMES THE OFFENSE DONT PARTICPATE IN..WHICH IS NOT THE OFFENSE FAULT ITS REX'S FAULT.WATCH THE GAMES,ARE WE ALL BLIND.
IT DOES A HEART GOOD TO SEE LOVIE HAVING THE WHOLE TEAM STANDING BEHIND A FRESHMAN QUARTERBACK.
ONE NOTE TO LOVIE AND THE BEARS......
WE LOVE YOU LOVIE,BUT WE WATCH THE BEARS TO SEE THEM WIN,NOT STAY WITH A
BEGINNER TO MAKE HIM FEEL AT HOME..
THE FANS AND THE DEFENSE DESERVE A WINNERQUARTERBACK......
AND A SUPER BOWL,PLEASE,PLEASE,DONT WAIT TOO LONG.
HE'LL BE BETTER NEXT YEAR,GIVE CHICAGO A WINNER.
PLEASE!
REX GROSSMAN BY FAR. HAS EVERYONE FORGOTTEN THAT GRIESE FAILED IN DENVER AND EVERY OTHER TEAM HE HAS BEEN ON. THERE'S A REASON THAT HE'S THE BACKUP!!!
Give Grossman a few more games. Theres reasons why the coaches in the NFL are in the NFL and why we are fans.
They see something in Rex we don't. Not time to give up yet.
Rex has got to me the most dedicated hard-working Bears player on the team. He can do it and it's not time to give up.
Hang in there, rex
Let Lovey run the team his way without all the Monday morning quarterbacks trying to do his job. He get paid to do what he knows to be the best in the long run and he has got us where we are today. Its his Ass not yours if it doesn't work. Ask Dusty!
I am getting more frustrated with Lovie Smith on a daily basis. His completely blind faith in Rex Grossman is going to cost both of them their jobs. Rex has "hit the wall" and needs to be replace. Did anyone really believe he was going to lead us to victory when we got the ball back against New England with 2 minutes left in the game? I think Phillip Rivers learned an awful lot sitting on the bench behind Drew Brees.
For his own good, Rex Grossman needs to be watching Brian Griese lead this team to a couple of victories.
I say stick with Rex and start him against St. Louis. I've been a strong Rex supporter and I believe he is a good QB, but if he struggles in the 1st half, maybe what he really needs is a sit down to collect himself again and get his head on straight. Truthfully, I do not believe Griese is the answer to all of our prayers, but we are in too go of a position to lose everything on a QB that doesn't have his head on right at the moment.
Griese. Definitely. He's got the experience and the ability. Just cut Rex and get it over with. Griese is the guy who should be leading the Bears now and for years go come.
But not Grossman. Nope.
I really think that the fans calling for Rex to be benched are being impatient. He's been injured for the past few seasons, and is still in a developmental phase of his career as a result. Despite the fact that he has been constantly hurt in the past, he has shown (at times) why the team felt he's potentially been worth waiting for. The Bears have made the playoffs and with a weak schedule will win home field advantage. Why not give Rex the opportunity to gain valuable experience over the next couple of games? We've waited this long... a little longer won't hurt the Bears any worse than they've hurt themselves already. At least Greise is waiting in the wings this time around just in case. Relax everybody!
Keep Hex-nossman out of the line up. I'm not sure who has the power to pressure Lovie into leaving Mr. 1.3 QB rating on the field. This team has the capability of blowing every team in the league out. Will someone please inform Lovie Smith that it's ok to play "field position football" with a defense as good as ours. In fact ponder the proposition that no Bears quarterback throw more than 2 passes over 20 yards per half. The RAIDERS running game isn't that anemic that it necessitates allowing a so-called quarterback with putrid decision-making skills and worse throwing mechanics to attempt LITERALLY "throwing" the game away.
Griese. Everybody in Chicago seems to beleive that this is THE YEAR that the Bears can actually get to and win the Super Bowl. But not many think that will happen with Rex as quarterback. Griese is a proven vet and is better suited to lead this team to a championship. Grossman is still young and still "learning", so no harm would be done making him wait and watch Griese lead us to the promise land.
Griese can't do much worse than Rex is doing. Its the defense and special teams that have gotten us this far. Griese can only make us better and give a shot a playing a second playoff game.
I agree with Lovie Smith; Rex Grossman is my starting quarterback with a 10-2 record. But since the Bears have guaranteed their division, they should make sure that the player who leads that "potent" offense doesn't get hurt before the playoffs and play Griese. Protect Rex, play Griese! Keep him safe from injury and a 1.3 rating.
Ken Dermer
Skokie, IL
Let Griese play. Rex shows weekly, he can't be counted on. The DEFENSE is coming through week after week. IF Griese doesn't do well enough, THEN put Rex back in. Don't just wait for the play-offs and then it's too late. Let's see what Griese can do for a game or two. Hopefully without losing home field through out the play-offs.Then we can see who's up for a play-off experience. We seen what a Rex Grossman can do in the post-season, let's try Griese.
Don't let the sportswriters run the team. Remember who brought you to the dance, and don't leave them at the door for someone else. We're blessed with 3, yes 3, good quarterbacks on the Bears. You shouldn't see Griese until the Bears have home field advantage locked up. Last year, the Bears decided to bench Orton just before the playoffs after he went 8-3, a move I was against. Now history is repeating itself with Grossman, and I'm opposed to that move too. A quarterback needs to establish a rhythm with his recievers, and that doesn't happen in a week or two. Keep Rex and wait until home field advatage is ours, then work Griese as well as others on offense, to prepare everyone for the Super Bowl run.
these grade school offensive game plans by ron turner sets rex up for failure. there is no imagination offensively AT ALL. a misdirection run? a screen pass? just an occassional imaginative pass route? there will be no super bowl if this continues even if john elway was quarterbacking.
NOW THAT THE BEARS HAVE WON THIER DIVISION
THIS WOULD BE A GREAT TIME TO GIVE GRIESE A GO AT IT
AND LET HOW HE DOES WITH THE LAST FEW GAMES DETERMINE WHO'S THE MAN
The team and the fans deserve a chance to win it all. Rex is not doing the job.Although he may be the quarterback of the future for the Bears the future is right now. We have the defense, special teams, and offense if properly handled to win it all. If Rex were to get hurt, which isn't a strech, our year shouldn't be over because our back up hasn't gotten any snaps, get him in there! Let Griese try and manage the team with the experience he has and carry us on to the Super Bowl!!
I thank Lovie and Grossman should go if Lovie let him mess up our chance to win a superbowl because clearly Grossman is not the one to do it for us Brian is
Give Griese some work. Tell Rex he is still the man. It couldn't hurt Rex to step back for a game or 2. Anyone who knows anything about sports realizes the 10-2 record is more a reflection of the competition than the Bears overall team play.
I still say let REX in for the rest of the games.And then put Brian Griese for the playoffs.
A Quarter Back cant possibly play any worse than Rex has so I dont think starting Griese would hurt things. However, the Bears have commited their future to the development of Rex. If he doesnt become who we once thought he was, we will be doomed at that position for seasons to come. Given our conference standings I think we should stick with trying to develop Rex for now. But I wouldnt be at all surprised if he blew the defenses post season for them, and they deserve a ring.
Rex Grossman is basically in his rookie season, due to previous injuries that basically cost him a couple of seasons of experience. I think if he cannot pull it together for Monday Night Football, Lovie ought to put Griese in. If Rex is a true professional, he will see it is for the good of the team. Sure the defense keeps us in games, but what happens if we need to come from behind? The defense can only do so much before they may take a stumble or two. Depending on the next games' performance by Rex, make a decision.
Rex has played in every game. Some bad, some good and some terrible. I would keep playing him. The team supports him and so does Lovie. If things go bad in St. Louis, I would consider bringing in Brian. He needs some snaps just "in case" Rex needs backup. I would also play the starters for most of the last 4 games. Look at what happened in Minnesota last year when they didn't play.
I hate Dallas. If we lose to them in the playoffs I am going to be soooo mad.
Angelo has already ruined 2 seasons by not getting us a back up now they are going to ruin a 3rd because they are obsesssed with Grossmann being the "guy" . Lovie can still save face by letting Grossmann start and letting Greise play the second half of the remaining games. Then make an evaluation come playoffs!!!!
I think part of blame has to go to Ron Turner. He should pull the reins back a bit on Rex and let the running game, the defense, and the special teams win games for them. Remember when the Bears clinched the Division last Christmas at Green Bay? Rex made a few plays but didn't over-do it. He doesn't have to put up 250 yds plus for this team to win.
First of all, for those who think Brian Griese is not a better quarterback than Gross!!! Man!!! are idiots. Secondly, Griese didn't fail in Tampa Bay, he was let go for salary cap purposes. He had led a Tampa Bay team who with an aging number one defense(bears finished 2nd)to a 5-1 record before he was hurt for the season. Ask Tampa Bay if they would like a mulligan for letting Griese go. The year before he threw 27 TD's. He has one of the highest career Quarterback ratings in a season in the history of the NFL(106). Brian's CAREER passing rating is 84.5, you don't get that by being a bad quarterback 9 seasons in the NFL. This guy is the ultimate game manager who is waiting for a chance to play with a defense like this. When he was at Michigan he led them to a championship not only managing the game but KNOWING WHEN TO GO DEEP! He out played Rex in the preseason and if he get's a chance to play he will make every naysayer look foolish including Mike Shanahan and his ego which led for his departure in Denver. It's a shame the Bears are playing politics in football because We as Bears fans deserve a superbowl and the only way that is going to happen is if the bears start Brian Griese and Cedric Benson and forget about who the players like and are buddies with. Brian & Cedric wasn't brought in to be Olin Kruetz and Mushin Muhammad's bowling buddies, their here to win a superbowl.
Let Grossman start on the bench against St. Louis. Griese still needs a chance to work off the rust (just in case Rex loses it physically as well as mentally). While they are at it, maybe Turner should take the day off too. He wasn't any great shakes with the Bears before nor at Illinois. His level of "aggressive plays" are not matched by any great degree of intelligence.
It would be better to take a chance now before its toolate.We donot want to be bounced again in the first round of the playoffs like last year.
Rex has been a WINNER for every team he has played for up to the Bears. Takes time to make it in the NFL. HE WILL BE IN THE HALL OF FAME! Mark my words.
With four games left, give the ball to Grossman the next two. If he excels his game, let the fate of this year ride with him. If he continues "Cade McClowning" around, bench his ass and give Griese two starts to get ready for the playoff run.
John F, Rich K, you guys got it. First of all... Rex is the starting quarterback. He's is young, and he is making young quarterback mistakes. I know he is coming in behind a lon gline of top notch chicago quaterbacks, but give the guy a chance. One game he throws a 40yard pass it's great the next time he does the same thing gets a inteception and now its a bad choice. we all know he can throw the ball. the Bear's messed up when they diverged from their running. Last season eveyone in the world even if they didn't play football knew what the bears' M.O. was run the ball chew up clock, and let the defense handle the rest. they won games with that formula, it worked. This year eveyone wants to throw the ball all the time. (live by the pass die by the pass) had they came out running early in the season that would open up the game for the pass, eliminating defenses being able to calculate the predictable Bears gameplan. Why did thomas Jone get up the field that one special draw play, because everyone knew a pass was coming. Now that our running game is starting to pick up a little steam, i think that will help eliminate some of the passes that rex needs to make, it will force defenses to play the run and not expect passes all the time which will open up passing lanes for rex. One other note... the kid's been throwing interceptions since he came in late last season. a lot of games this season he has had balls up their that could've been taken, it's just that now teams are catching those balls. So if you didn't complain then, don't start crying about a change now. If you really think the bears can win a championship, with a 9yr 4 dif. team back-up QB, who was cut by every team he played for, has had knee injuries as well, and also threw for just as many interceptions as touchdowns in two different seasons as well as almost broke 20 interceptions, then i have a great used car for you to buy as well. Rex is the guy, he has the team on his side, and he has real fans of the bears on his side. Anyone who watches a replay can see who's open, but when you're on the field you have to make snap decisions that is something that can be fixed, let them fix the problem. Let the young QB grow. And for everyone that's complaining about the defense doing so much work, (that's what defenses do), they take away the ball, they create turnovers, great defenses score off of turnovers. So while it may frustrating that our offense turns the ball over, our defense is doing what it is supposed to, i don't recall a bears championship due to outstanding offense, and mediocoredefense does anyone else???
WHO IS TO SAY THE BEARS SHOULD DEPEND ON A SINGLE QUARTERBACK; ROTATE THEM! JUST KEEP THE DEFENSE THE SAME. BY THE WAY, WHY HASN'T MUCH BEEN SAID ABOUT THE BEAR'S COACHING WHEN THEY WERE DEFEATED TWO WEEKS AGO WITH NO TIME-OUTS IN THE FINAL TWO MINUTES?
Oh yeah playing against 2nd-defenses is really showing what cha got... Yeah he had a great start with Tampa, but didn't he have a good start with Denver as well, he is a career back-up, nothing wrong with that, just understand thats his role, back-ups play when things are going wrong, if 10-2 is wrong then what's right???? they way some of you are arguing griese should've started the season, then we really could've seen why this is his fourth team... hey who knows maybe he got his act together, but iguess the other teams that were lining up to snatch him as their god-send back-up didn't have enough money.
Rex is just too small to be successful on a consistant basis. He has small hands and cannot see down field over the offensive linemen. Thats why he throws so many picks. For him to be successful he needs to be in a shotgun so he can see down field as he does not roll out very well.
ive been a Bears fan my whole life, and i figured one thing out. There is no loyalty in this City. 2 months ago he was the MVP now hes a goat. Let him play, he will get the job done. Hes a star in the making
If you try something that doesn't work and you try it again and again and it still doesn't work, somewhere along the line you have to give up and try something else. Brian Griese deserves a chance to be the Bears quarterback.....our only hope to get to the Super Bowl!!!!
Grossman is the way to go... Greise might be a short term solution but there is a reason why he is a back-up. Grossman needs the chance to mature, he has shown he is capable of doing great things. Back him up and stop being fair weathered fans! GO GROSSMAN, JONES, LOVIE and the rest of the squad!!!
I belive that Griese should be given more time to play now before the playoffs. This will ensure that he's ready to play when he is needed. Now is the time to play him, to see what he can do, and give Grossman some time to think about what he has or hasn't accomplished as QB. He is no Jim McMahon and should forget about the bombs for now.
REX!
Come-on all you experts, stop thinking you know everything. What did Peyton Manning look like at the beggining of his career? Or Favre? They all sucked, but with time they fine tuned their abilities and turned into superstars. If you can't see the potential of Rex Grossman then you don't have a clue on how the game is played. Instead of booing you shold be shouting words of encouragement. With 4 games left in the season and a 10-2 record this is the best time to be in a slump. Soon as Rex starts taking advantage of how the defenses are playing him, you will see the superstar emerge. He has 4 games left to get it figured out. I have confidence that he can do it.
Just like little mainstream media liberals, you whiners who HATE BUSH now HATE REX!! You should all move to Tampa Bay and boo the Bucs, and leave this 10-2 team alone, they are going to the Super Bowl! So please leave town if you whiners dont like the Bears QB and their 10-2 record, and take Mariotti and all the Sun Times little whiner writers with ya! Bears vs. Chargers in Super Bowl 41!
I think Lovie (and don't think for a moment that Jerry Angelo isn't in his ear) is putting the interests of one player ahead of the entire team. Rex might be good in the future but he's not good right now. If Griese can come in and be a "game manager" then the Bears have a real shot(Remember Trent Dilfer and the SUPERBOWL CHAMPION Ravens of 2000?). The rest of this team is incredibly good and it would be a horrible feeling (remember the 1986 season?) to have the best team in the NFL and walk away without the trophy.
The real question here is not who should be quarterbacking the Bears, but who should be the Head Coach; Me or Lovie? You or Lovie? Mike Mulligan or Lovie?
I think Lovie Smith is a better choice than me to be the Bears' Head Coach. I also prefer him to any particular Sun-Times reader or writer.
If Lovie thinks Rex Grossman should be the quarterback, I'm with Lovie. If Lovie decides it's time to make a quarterback change, I'm with Lovie. With no apolgies to the panic- stricken individuals with the by-lines, he is the most qualified person to know if and when it's the right time to make such a change.
Start Rex and if he does poorly, replace him with Griese in the second half. In addition, start Griese for the following week game. However, I am not in favor of replacing Rex completely for the rest of the season. If Rex is a true competitor, sitting there on bench and watching Griese perform should light the fire under him and hopefully get Rex fired up again. What's with all the talk recently about Rex not been able to see over the line? He had no problem in Sept. when he was hot. Did Rex suddenly got shorter or the opposing linemen suddenly grew over a course of a couple of months?
I think they should keep Grossman because he did very well in the first few games. All him doing bad is a lapse of discipline. He'll get over it. Putting Griese might kill the Bears.
Grossman - He is not going to get better from the sidelines. If we drafted him with the intentions of making him "The Bears QB", then we have to follow all the way through on the project. Once we see there is no way that he will get better, then we can pull the plug!
Griese definitely. All Grossman does these days is talk, talk, talk. He's acting too cocky for what he's been producing. If it weren't for the Big D, the Bears wouldn't be winning! PLEASE, for the sake of the fans and all Chicago, play Griese!
GROSSMAN ALL THE WAY!!!!!
Look he may be making some bad descisions as of late but how many teams are 10-2 under a quarterback that's in his full first?
Also we seem to putting all the blame on Grossman. The running game hasn't been too hot. Are we saying bringing Adrian Peterson will change the running game? What about te receivers? Are they getting open and giving Rex a opening? What abut the offensive line, are they giving Rex enough time in the pocket? We can't just assume that putting in Griese is goning to turn everything around. Also look at their opponents as of late. They played the Giants who had won their last 5. They played the Jets as well who aren't exactly a pushover team and finally they played the Patriots who may just be the team they play if they make the Superbowl. Look if you want Griese to play so bad, then hope he plays incredible in the upcoming weeks since most of the starters are going to be benched. Grossman is the quaterback.
Griese, because the 2006 bears can be the 2000 ravens, we need trent dilfer, we need brian griese
Grossman should start the game against St. Louis just to see if he can bounce back from Sunday's dismal performance. Regardless of how well (or poorly) he does Griese needs to get some playing time in each of the last four games. There is a high probability that Grossman will perform badly in the first playoff game. I would hope Griese would be able to take some reps with the first team prior to making a switch when it really matters. On a side note, Lovie commented that he's seen Rex do some really great things earlier this season and that's why he's confident he can still perform. This is not valid in my opinion. It seems that he's forgotten teams were putting NO PRESSURE on Rex up until the Arizona game. Now that's all teams are doing and Rex is definitely not handling it. I really don't think he's going to learn how to handle it in the next four games either.
There is a lot of good dialogue out there. I moved to Wisconsin 18 years ago and have suffered at the hands of these "Cheeseheads" since. But I also remember how I ribbed my new friends because they kept sticking with this young trade from the Falcons who was throwing more interceptions than cheese hats were in the stadium. Well...
The Bears have to stick with Grossman. He's the future at QB, and the future is now for this team. He's been awful for more than a month, agreed, and getting worse every week it seems after this latest lowlight. But remember back to the post-game reaction after Grossman was hurt at Minnesota two seasons ago. Olin Kreutz's comments stuck with me the most. The Bears felt they lost more than just their starting QB that day, but their leader on offense. Grossman brings more to the Bears than his numbers, no matter how shaky they've become. He brings a presence at the position that has been missing for too long. Remember back to last January, too -- the Bears would have been humiliated by Carolina in the playoffs had it not been for Grossman's very solid performance as the pass defense fell apart. We've waited a long time for a QB like Grossman, and Bears fans should stand behind him.
My first reaction after watching the debacle on Sunday was to bench Rex immediately. Given Lovie Smith's lack of emotion and lack of attempting something different with a QB who has been figured out by most teams in the league I now feel that a change must be made. Griese is not proven and may just be as bad as Rex has been. But, he is a veteran and knows more than Rex does. He can handle the pressure and I do think the tag "Savvy Veteran" is one we can place on him. His demeanor with handling the media and the fans is exemplary. I have a feeling this will lead to on the field play as well.
I would sit Rex and let him take some time off. Not turning this into a QB controversy, just let Rex clear his mind and regain his composure and confidence. It's not a bad idea to let him go out and blow off some steam at a bar or some other venue. Let's see what the savvy vet can do. We most likely will need him in the playoff run, hoping there is more than a one and done.
Bench Rex for this game.
I say the Bears should allow Rex the full sixteen game season to see if he can succeed. Next year it should be an open competition for starting quarterback, based on the fact he would have had a 16 game opportunity to succeed.
If however the Bears reach the playoffs and he continues to perform poorly, then he should be replaced because too much will be at stake.
I think Rex should continue to be the starter, Unfortunately, he will be pulled during a Playoff game should he continue to perform poorly. I just hope Greise is ready to step up and deliver! If he fails Lovie, will never live it down, for not starting him sooner.
i vote for rex because he is 10-2 that's only 2 games lost if we let gressie now we might not get a chance to go to super bowl XXXXI
REX SUCKS GRESSIE RULES BECAUSE I THINK GRESSIE HAS ABETTER CHANCE OF SUPER BOWL XXXXI
I think we should keep grossman, Smith said he's got a plan, and well we're 10-2, apparently the plan is working out.
Stick with Rex until he has a bad playoff first Quarter. Reason being is that he can do more things well to help the team win, especially in the vertical passing game. That in itself is a dimension other teams really can't defense. The receivers in general play better when he is on the field. Lastly if a change is made and it backfires Grossman's play may drop further.
I preface this by saying that I have never been a Rex fan. Start Griese. Lets look at this. When Kyle Orton was playing last year people were clamoring for a different quarterback because his ratings were so low. What was the rating for Rex on Sunday? 1.3? Worst QB rating since they started tracking that stat 30 years ago. If Kyle Orton did that he would have been on the bench immediately. Rex is not the QB of the future. The way people talked about him last year you would have thought he was the next Joe Montana. He is not even the next Bob Avellini. He is either a mental midget or a stubborn fool. In his defense he is not the only problem on the offense, why the coaching staff allows him to throw deep balls in sundays weather is beyond me. A change must be made because the defense will be worn out by the time the playoffs start if this offense remains offensive.
Stay with Rex-lets see how he looks with Benson running the ball 20 to 25 times.
The bears have done absolutely amazing, DESPITE Grossman. Amagine how the 10-2 record would look if we had a quarterback who didn't throw 3 interceptions a game. I'm not saying Griese is better or worse, but if your starting pitcher continues to have problems and is giving up to many homeruns, then it's time for some relief. If Griese doesn't throw touchdown passes, but also doesn't throw more than 2 interceptions, then he's doing a better job than Grossman; the defense is winning the games anyways.
Only someone who has never played the game successfully would suggest changing QBs on a team with a 10-2 season record. Get over yourself and start talking about how WELL the Bears are playing as a team.
Griese. As much as I see Grossman as an awesome player, lately he's been doing a poor job at doing anything offensively. If Lovie could possibly agree to this, start Grossman in the first half. If he can't produce anything offensively except for handing the ball of correctly, let Griese start the 2nd half. He's a veteran QB that has had much more experience than Grossman could possibly have by now.
I will stay with Grossman. The Boy needs to plant his foot when he passes and stop tossing ducks. If he would take the hit instead of tossing the ball on one foot . No More int's
Stick with Grossman!!
I say find the shortest leash imaginable and put Rex on it. The consistent breakdowns during the game are horrible to look at. Griese is a back-up signed for five years; Grossman is in the last year of his contract, i guess Angelo is prepared to make the Bears a laughingstock in the playoffs again for the sake of Grossman's last year with the Bears. Anyone want the Bears to trade up in next year's draft? Anyone for a BIG QB with a strong arm and not afraid to roll outside, Brady Quinn, Anyone?
Leave Grossman. Lovie knows what he's talking about. He's the one being paid to coach the TEAM, not the media or the fans! The BEARS are 10-2. So, what, Rex is having a hard time, but so does everyone and that's why it's a TEAM. Rex had a great start this year and just because he is having a hard time people want him out? NO WAY! Instead of being critical, we should be true fans and support our quarterback,the rest of the TEAM and Lovie, who have brought this Chicago to 10-2.
GO BEARS!!!!
My vote is to stick with Rex. We drafted this kid and he's got to learn, through the good times and the bad. He's confidence is shot because everyone keeps making a big deal about this. Everyone loved him in the beginning because he was doing so well, are we really that bad of fans to turn on our quarterback when he needs us the most? Give the kid a chance, I don't care what anybody says he's still a rookie so he has to learn. We shouldn't even draft a quarterback anymore, we should be like the Oakland Raiders and just pick up all the old veteran quarterbacks because they'll lead us to the promise land right? Look at our history with these veterans, it's just as bad as it is with Grossman so why don't we try something new. Believe in the kid, he is our future. I for one I'm going to support Rex, good times and bad because I am a Chicago Bears fan. Times like these show us what we are made of as fans, I'm not turning my back on this kid or this team. Rex just go out there and play. At least you know you have one loyal fan on your side. Good luck.
Griese! One question; what harm could it do to give Brian Griese some PT? Let Rex sit and watch for a game and try to get out from under the pressure that is helping to keep him down at this point. Recently we have been watching a QB with no self confidence at all. This guy needs some time off. He needs to begin to reevaluate his performance without the pressure to perform on Monday Night Football, one of the most powerful magnifying glasses in all of sports. At the same time Brian Griese, who has the highest career QB rating in Chicago Bears history, needs to get on the field with the starters to try and develop some trust and rhythm with that group. So what if his arm is not as strong as Grossman's and the Bears vertical passing game will be somewhat limited? The name of the game here is "Don't drive the car off the road!" With the Bears D and special teams, which include the best place kicker, the best return man and one of the best punters in NFL, we can give up a bit of arm while throwing down field. It's December and the Bears will probably have home field advantage throughout the playoffs. In December in Chicago you rely on your defense and your running game. That's Bear football and this is Bear weather. Let Griese have a shot at keeping this team from beating itself from the QB position.
Grossman hasn't performed period! Griese has a proven track record of winning - not disgusting ratings under 10.3. Wake up, Lovie Smith, or you'll be replaced by an "unproven" first round draft pick.
With a defense like the Bears a gunslinger is not what you want. Maybe if they had no defense tehn sure throw it all over. This 1985 defense would not have gone to the Superbowl if they had 5 pics a game, period!
I like John F.'s idea - it is fair to Rex as it lets him know that he has a finite period of time to get and keep himself together. If he can't accomplish a satisfactory performance (i.e. no turnovers), then he knows he will be replaced with Griese. None of us can forecast what Griese will do, but it has to be better than a 1.43 quarterback rating.
It's great that Lovie believes in Rex because of the first five games, but in the real world, any employee that performed well for their first five weeks of employment and then had a dramatic decline in performance for the next seven would undoubtably be released at the end of their 90 probation period.
Put Griese in for one game and see how he fits in with the team. He may be better or he may be worse. There are still four games to go. Try it Lovie you might like it.
Gotta go with Griese now or potentially risk another playoff like last year. Grossman is not getting the job done and at this stage of the season we have nothing to lose and potentially much to gain.
i agree with lovie that rex should be the QB.If griese was anygood he would of been the starter
after training camp.If people would look at other QB in the nfl that through int.they would be benching brady,p.manning
Go,with Griese!!!
Or have the coach explain
what it is he see's in Rex
that know oneles can see?
The Bears need to stick with Rex. Griese is certainly not this team's long term answer at quarterback, and there is a chance that Rex, in fact, is. Let him hand off to Benson all night.
Rex deserves the chance to correct the problems and should start against the Rams next Monday night. However, if no improvement is apparent by half-time, Griese deserves an opportunity to show what he can do. This team needs a descent QB if they are to have any chance in the play-offs and we need to know now if Grossman can do the job or if we have to go in another direction. You can't win a Championship with almost all of your points scored either by special teams or the defense.
The Bears will NOT win the Super Bowl this year with either quarterback. If Griese plays everybody will blame Lovie, saying, "You should have given Rex a chance to get back to his beginning of the season form. If Lovie stays with Rex everybody will lament that Griese would have been our savior. It doesn't matter, the Bears will lose, Lovie will be blamed and sports writers will prosper (can I get a job?). But I think we should stick with Rex, we know he's capable (or has been at one point this season), whereas with Griese it's more of just crossing the fingers.
The best solution? When Rex sucks, he sits. It's that simple. Rex Grossman, when he's on his game, is the best quarterback this city has seen in at least a decade. When he's off his game, he's the worst starting quarterback in the entire NFL.
Bears need to drop that zero and find them a hero or they are headed for doom. Grossman has left much to be desired with his less than mediocre play. He makes senseless turnovers game after game. It’s not a one or a two game slump this man is failing the bears consistently. Not sure how he became a first draft pick but looks like they need to go back to the votes again this man is done. “Lovie� open your eyes and wise up man. Even a blind man can see that Grossman is going to be your destruction... There must be some undercover dealings here, because no coach in their right mind would let Grossman quarterback another day. :(
All the Grossman fans out there are crazy. Right now the Bears are not winning with Grossman; they are winning despite Grossman. With the Bears defense as good as it is, all they need is a quarterback who will NOT turn the ball over 4 times a game. Grossman is not that quarterback; Griese is! Moreover, Griese has had a solid career and looked good in all the action he has seen this year (including preseason). It’s an absolute no-brainer: given the choice between a solid veteran and a gun-slinger who has thrown the second most interceptions in the league and has about the lowest passer rating possible for a starting quarterback, the Bears should go with the solid veteran. The only thing that can STOP the Bears, and their championship defense, from winning the NFC (as opposed to help them win it) is the gun-slinger! In other words, Grossman does not help the team; he only hurts it. Can him, and put in Griese. Griese, Griese, Griese!!!
Maybe, the Bears should bring in Fran Tarkenton or Doug Flutie to help Grossman with throwing over, between, and around the defensive line and linebackers blitzing...if they continue to refuse to put him in the shotgun...
BTW: Are Rex's legs broke? I haven't seen him scramble at all this year. Peyton Manning looks like a horse waiting to be shot and he still scrambles occasionally.
HE MAY BE OUR FUTURE. BUT LET HIM SIT UNTIL THE FUTURE.
Leave Rex in cause I have a bet with a buddy that Seattle will have a better total offense than the bears and Rex is making it so much better for me.
Rex.
People are talking about Griese as our QB but then what happens next year? It's ok to give Rex another chance then? Because of Grossman's injuries, he is still fairly new. let him play the game. He's going to be great, he's just gotta learn from his mistakes
Bench Turner not rex
Lovie said "we are 10 and 2 with Grossman as a starter" and yes its true, but the BEARS are 10 and 2 BECAUSE of the defense, not BECAUSE of Grossman. Grossman is not ready yet to take the team to the Super Bowl.
Lovie, for the team and the BEARS fans, give Griese the chance that he earned with his outstanding performance in the pre-season.
Give Greise a shot - NOW!
If Lovie was coaching the Cowboys, he would have stuck with Bledsoe and the Cowboys would be 4-8, instead of, in many expert's view, the current favorite to represent the NFC in the Super Bowl.
Lovie's stubborness, short sightedness and blind loyalty to Rex Grossman will surely result in an early exit for the Bears in the post season.
let grossman start. everybody was praising him including the media the first 6 games then he has a slump you guys want to hang him. leave him alone he will be fine. so what if he has that gun slinnger mentality, he is a good QB. what did griese do in denver or the other cities he played for? nothing. he lost in the playoffs with denver one of the best offensive lines and he couldnt do anything. so stop asking for him and keep grossman in the game.
Leave Rex in. It's not all his fault. The O-line has slumped since the begining of the season. Not only is the passing game in shambles, the running game is not too much to brag about in the last couple of games. Furthermore, Greise's record is not that great. With all his experience, has he ever taken a team to the superbowl?
MLH
Leave Rex in......let him finish out the season and screw everything up. Then everyone will know for sure that he sucks and the experiment will be over.
He has allways been a bad quarter back for the Bears. It's just our receivers and other teams corner backs made him look good. Even the passes to our wide open recievers are all over the place. Like one announcer said during the game against Min. our Offense could have punted the ball on first down the entire game, and the bears still would have won. I would start Robbie Gould at QB before Grossman!!!! If Rex walks on to the field again this season I wont be watching! I will probably scan my television for an Automobile Informercial or something!!!!!
I was all for keeping Rex in when he started to look bad. I understood the theory behind developing him as a quarterback. But it has become quite obvious to EVERYONE (except, apparently, the coaches) that the first five games of the season were either a fluke -- or simply the product of other teams not having any tape on Rex. This is now an abomination, and I, for one, am sick and tired of losing the first game of the playoffs -- which we are clearly headed towards now. I don't care anymore if Rex is the "quarterback of the future." He is NOT the quarterback of a team that will win in this years' playoffs. And I'm tired of waiting for the future. I want to win now. And a quarterback that has a 1.3 rating (I saw it (heck, I've seen it every week) and still am stunned) is not the quarterback that is going to take us to the Super Bowl. We are the laughing stock of the league right now. Everyone knows we can't face the big boys with Rex at the helm. Bring back Henry Burris, Moses Moreno, anyone -- and we'll have a better shot at progressing in the playoffs. How come the coaches can't see this?
There are two things that I said coming away from attending the Sun Times Family Night at Soldier Field before this season:
1. Hester looks like an awfully good kick returner
2. Griese was a heck of a lot more accurate passing the ball and hitting receivers in stride than Grossman (who in turn was better than Orton).
The Bears have one of the best defenses and special teams units in the league. We don't need a quarterback who can have a rating of 145 one week and 30 the next. We need a quarterback who can consistently deliver a rating between 70 and 110. Brian Griese is that guy.
Rex is the future. Everyone is saying Rex is inexperienced and inconsistent. You know how you fix that? You play him! Rex is the future of the franchise, Greise is not. Lovie is looking at the big picture. The Bears have 4 games against teams with losing records. Let Rex get his groove back and go into the playoffs with confidence. Lovie brought Greise in for one reason, to play if Rex got HURT. Rex is not hurt, he needs reps. For years Chicago has needed a quarterback and now we have one but have to let him develope. This team is young enough that they can be together for a long time, let's not ruin the quarter back by being impatient and rushing him now that he is finally healthy.
I'd give Kyle Orton another chance. The point is he came from one of the most sophisticated passing offenses in the country at Purdue and to base his ability on last year's play when he was a TRUE rookie is absurd. Have some guts!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ok, I'll keep it clean. start grossman monday BUT, if he has one pick, or one fumble, or just plain ain't gettin er done, show him the pine and see what Greise can do. is this better?
When a player is injured they are usually taken out of the game. Grossman is not physical injured( as far as we know) but he's mentally injured (in a slump). This is a team effort not an individual effort game. Let him start the game but if he not at 100% put in Griese.
If the defense is winning the games for us anyway what does it matter who the quarterback is? Oh, maybe its because the coaching staff realizes that they will need offense at some point in the season to win a game. A "game manager" will not win the super bowl and Lovie knows it. Yes, I know the Ravens did it....once in 40 years. I dont have the stats but I'm relatively sure that the rest of the superbowl winners had something that resembled an offense that included the forward pass. Rex gives the offense the best chance to win and he needs to work through this slump now, before the playoffs.
DUH!!!!!
Greise for sure, are the rest of you out of your minds! Grossman can have a bad series or a bad quarter, or bad game, but consistantly having several bad series, and several bad games, c'mon get him outta there.
I say give Grossman 1 series MAX, and if he fails to score get him out ASAP!!!!
Give Griese a chance! If he does worse than Rex, then put Grossman back in. Rex has made it tougher on the defense and they are the only thing that is saving the team. Griese deserves the opportunity since Rex is falling apart!
I think Rex should show us if he is still capibile of not making any mistakes in the first half of his next game and if he can handle the pass rush. If not lets see if Griesse can do something over the next few games left. Sure Lovie has to say Rex is his quarterback, because he was hired to do what his bosses want him to say and do. I don't think it is Lovie's decision 100%. No Superbowl with that kind of quarterbacking and offense. The Vikings game I thought was only good because of the Bears defense and special teams, the offense was disgusting.
Everybody wants to glorify Rex's great plays in the first half of the year. Don't forget how he looked in pre-season, it was a preview for things to come. 3 games he couldn't get his offense to the end zone. Finally, on the 4th game he was able too-Rex drove a "long" 20 yards to score a touochdown . . .his only touchdown out of the 4 games. . .Okay, Rex then came out and showed his "stuff" for the first half-great. But, look at his first half 7 out of the 8 teams have losing records- 7 of them. 7 have LOSING records. . . It's "GREAT" we have a 10-2 record now. . .The playoffs don't have teams with losing records-nor do you get a second chance if you have a "bad" Grossman day. Jerry Angelo, quit holding onto your "draft pick" and allow Lovie to play Griese. I think I speak for alot of fans when I say- we would like to see SUPER BOWL CHAMPIONS, CHICAGO BEARS!!!
Lovie should have taken grossman out in the Giants game before he lost all of his confidence. Play Griese Monday nite.
I am a "Rex" fan. Sunday's weather was not very ideal for a good passing game for most quarterbacks. Give him the chance to correct and show what he is capable of---a dome game will certainly help. He will be a star when he focuses on the job he has to do again. Hang in there with him!!!
Griese. Because, Rex is not getting it done, he has had enough games to fix it. He is been saying he is going to fix it since the Miami game heck since the Arizona game. Bottom line, the coach and the Bears orginazation owe it to the fans to put Griese in. He gives the Bears their best chance right now. And everyone knows if you are from Chicago that Championship oppurtunities only come once in a life time, LITERALLY!
I would stick with Rex for the first half. If he is handling himself well, keep him in the game. Let him start again next Monday. But, if he is throwing stupid passes that lead to interceptions and fumbling the ball, I would definitely take him out and let Griese prove himself. Rex is after all very inexperienced; he needs to calm down. He did have a few good games and it was very exciting. What bothers me about the Sun Times columnists (in particular, Jay Marlotti)is that they did not believe that Griese was the answer when the Bears acquired him.
Griese
Any questions?
I would stick with Grossman for at least 2 more games. He has only had 4 bad games out of 12. He is the future of the Bears - Griese isn't. He needs playing time to correct his flaws.
I say start Rex for the first half on Monday and let him play out his problems. It's a great opportunity against a weak team. If the results are the same, make a change but they can't wait that much longer. With home-field advantage at stake, they can't afford to leave him the starter if, somehow, there's a repeat of Minnesota.
let lovie coach and sit back and enjoy lets go rex.
As a wake-up-call to Grossman, I say you start Griese. If he fails, Lovie will be vindicated, the QB controversy goes away, and we can all go back to focusing on the playoffs which have taken a back seat to the Grossman debacle. Defenses obviously have watched film on Rex and have adjusted accordingly. With Griese at the helm, at least opposing teams won't have the ability to view film on him and hopefully that would give our offense a needed edge. At this point I'd be willing to give Orton a shot.
Griese as soon as possible!
Is it wrong of me to root for Rex Grossman to go down with his annual season ending injury at the Edward Jones Dome in St. Louis?
Brian griese is clearly only an injury insurance policy-that's why he's not
even being mentioned . People are always ready to feed to quarterback to the
wolves here in chicago. Rex will be ok-stick with him
Go with Griese and you'll play more than just one playoff game. Stay with Grossman start planning for vacation.
I sure HOPE the offensive line forgets 2 block 4 Rex this week.
REX!!
STOP HATING BANDWAGONS DON'T BOO HIM HE ALREADY GETS THAT ON THE ROAD DOESN'T NEED THAT HERE. NO Q.B. HAS EVER BEEN GOOD MUCH LESS GREAT AFTER ONLY 20 GAMES LET HIM GROW AND LEARN FROM THIS AND CHEEER HIM HE'S A GUY THAT STRIVES ON CONFIDENCE. BY THE WAY WE NEED TO SEE CEDRIC CARRY THE BALL MORE. OHH! DON'T FORGET REX DIDN'T LOSE THE GAME LAST YEAR THE DEFENSE DID SO COULD EVERYONE PLEASE LET REX GET THROUGH THIS AND IF U CAN'T SUPPORT HIM AT LEAST DON'T BOO HIM.
Start Rex. If he's still playing as badly as he has been, yank him and put in Griese. But this would be the last time Rex starts if he plays badly.
I say let Rex start, and if his performance is poor, yank him. Lovie benched Rashad Davis as a kickoff returner after the first mistake he made, yet he let Rex make bad mistake after poor choice and almost blew the game. When it was near the end of the game the offense SHOULD have been running the ball to run out the clock. Instead Lovie chose to TRY to let Rexxie get some confidance back by passing the ball. Could have lost the game and it showed VERY poor judgement by Lovie to leave Rex in.
When was the last time a QB with a rating of 1.4 or whatever win a playoff or Super Bowl? NEVER.
If Lovie doesn't bench players for poor performance (at ANY position) he demonstrates very poor judgement. I don't think the Bears mgmt should renew his contract IF he doesn't bench Rex for poor performance.
Hey, maybe Lovie and Rexxie can find a team to play together at for next season, hmmmmmmm?
Iwould like to see Griese, we won the North Division, and it couldn't hurt to see what Griese could do, who knows what chould happen.
I would like to see him on Monday night in St. Louis, on Natonial television, the Bears always have a hard time playing on Monday nights to get a win.
Lovie, has his mind made up and I don't think my opinion or any one else can change Lovie's mind.
If they don't use Griese, they may be eliminated in the first game the play in the playoffs.
I have said that Grossman should get the first half this week to be an adequate quarterback, or else he should get the hook.
One thing to remember is that game tape analysis in the NFL is one of identifying tendencies, what does a particular player do in a particular circumstance, what will a defense do given a certain offensive alignment, what plays do teams call given a certain down and distance, etc.
It seems that Grossman did certain things up to the Arizona game and the Arizona coaches noticed this and devised a game plan of pressure and close coverage of the underneath receivers. Both the coaches, the offensive line, and Grossman have not been able to adjust to this change by the Bears opponents.
It has occurred to me that playing Griese extensively now could backfire. If you play him for four games now you have given opponents game tape of both quarterbacks operating in the Bears system and defenses can, and will, adjust accordingly. Then you are left with effective game plans for either quarterback.
The bottom line is this - if the Bears win their next two games they will lock up home field advantage regardless of what Dallas and New Orleans does. If Grossman's play puts either of these next two games in jeopardy, then he should be replaced. If not, then you have nothing to lose playing him the rest of the year.
I don't subscribe to the argument that Griese needs four games to "shake off the rust". He is a nine year pro and I believe that he would do fine coming in replacing Grossman, even in a playoff game - with one caveat. He cannot come in down by more than 10 points. He would not drive up and down the field, but down by 10 or less with a quarter to go, I believe he could come in to a playoff game and play effectively. And he would be somewhat of a change-up from Grossman, especially if the opponent had game planned for Grossman's tendencies.
rex time is up. you can look at him when hes doing interviews and see he`s a scare little kid. the confidence and swagger is gone. he will only lose the teams chances of winning a superbowl. lovie needs to be railroaded out of chicago after this season along with rex. the bears have had a soft schedule all year and the 10 and 2 record proves it.
I missed the feeling when the 85 Bears start any game, the only question was how much they are going to win the game. Now, how bad Rex is going to be..... you think about that feeling. Rex must go back to the learning board not to the playing field. Lovie needs to learn from the past. Rex’s problem is his mechanics. He has been missing many wide open receivers or may be throwing behind them. The 5 steps drop pass play with Rex is 4 or 6 steps. The fumbled snap in the red zone. The ridiculous pass that was straight to Taylor (Miami) without being rushed by anyone. Rex made him superman in that game. I can go on and on….. I think, Rex should not play the full next 4 games. He needs to go back to the learning process and fix his mechanics but in the second half of the next 4 games. Give Griese the 1st half. Griese needs to practice with the first team so he can be ready for the playoffs. He needs to feel again the starting QB by starting these games. The last time Griese played a full half is more than 5 months ago or maybe years as starter. But again, I'm not Lovie and I’m not analyzing from the inside. I'm looking from the outside.
stick with Rex!! when hes havin a good game he's one of the best in the league. he's young and he's in a slump, it happens to everybody. just cause somebody has a couple of bad games dont mean you have to hate on him, thats not being a true fan, thats a fairweather fan, seems like most of the fans are. so i see where lovie smith is commin from. in about a week or 2 everybody's gonna love Rex!! again. you love him when hes doing good and u hate em, when he has a bad game your all fairweather fan thats Bull!!
let lovie coach. after all he is the packer smacker.if he says rex.then so be it.good luck.GO REX.GO BEARS.
Lets GO Rex!!! Prove Everybody wrong!!
I wonder if the fans in Baltimore were behind Trent Dilfer as the QB to get them to the Superbowl. Don't forget that he was a failure with his previous teams and who in Baltimore thought he would get them there? He was a 1st round pick who needed the time to get better. Why keep bringing up a guy off of one season like Dilfer. What exactly is he doing for the 49ers?GO Rex and The BEARS!!!
For the remaining games the Bears should play one quarterback 1 half, and the other quarterback 1 half just to cut back on possible injuries, and to keep both quarterbacks sharp for the playoffs. This only makes sense and has nothing to do with who is best.
IF LOVIE HAD A RUNNING BACK WHO TURNED THE BALL OVER TO THE OPPOSING TEAM AS MANY TIMES AS REX HAS,I THINK THAT RB WOULD BE BENCHED A LONG TIME AGO.WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE?
GRIESE!
Grossman! You have to stay the course, as long as the Bears keep winning. Why bring another quarterback into the mix to shake things up when, ugly or not, the team is winning? If the Bears were 2-10, that would be a different story, but stick with Rex. He looked like an MVP the first half of the season, so maybe he has more of that in him.
I gotta go with Rex, i think the coaches gotta let him get out of the pocket more. He used to be great at that at florida and at the beginning of the season he was doing it a decent amount. Plus u cant yank the guy now hes 10-2 so we gotta ride it out with him.
Let's look at the stats: 209 completions on 378 attempts for 55% completions, 2289 yards, 15 TD's, 20 INT., 10.9 yards per completion, and the team record, 3-8. Oh wait. My mistake. Those are Peyton Mannings stats from his first 11 games in 1998. Grossman's stats through 11 games this season are: 297 completions on 541 attempts for 55% completions, 3697 yards, 18 TD's, 14 INT., 12.4 yards per completion and the team was 9-2 through 11 games. Lovie Smith is sticking with Grossman so he'll have a great quarterback for a long time to come. Brian Griese's stats? The last season he played 11 games was 2004 for the Buccaneers: 233 completions, 336 attempts for 69% completions, 2632 yards, 20 TD's, 12 INT. and 10.9 yards per completion while the Bucs went 5-6. And yes, I know the Bears have played 12 games this year but Griese only played 11 in 2004 and I wanted to be even.
The Bears have proven you can win without a QB because of the defense. And if Grossman can find his September form again, the Bears offense will be unstoppable. Keep Grossman.
Rex is our starting QB! He will get over his slump and when he does all u bandwagon fans can jump back on. sunday wasnt an ideal day for a quarterback but hell be fine.
I think you have to figure out why he's floating the ball instead of firing the ball like he did in the first half of the season. It's giving the defender plenty of time to react and make the INT. The kid had an all out rocket the first 7 games and has reverted to a 7th grade girl's arm strength. It almost looks like he has a shoulder injury. You got to pull ANY QB if they have as many picks as completions. Let them start fresh the next game especially in a division winning situation. Start Rex and play Griese if he stinks it up.
Start REX!!!
Griese is a backup for a reason. This is Rex's first full year as starter give him a break. He's not gonna improve sitting on the bench. Remember, Peyton was bad his first year but no one cared because they weren't playoff bound.
Griese.
Honestly i love lovie as a head coach but i certainly think Griese should be getting the start or atleast give grossman 1 more chance and thats it!
In every sport, you get pulled when you are not performing well. Except Bears Football. Would it kill the Bears to sub Rex out when he is playing badly? Maybe it is that simple. You want playing time? You must play well. Smith is going to regret not at least knocking the rust off Brian Griese.
Start Rex, and if he stinks it up, go with Griese, don't even wait until the second half. Davis and Hester get switched out, Jones and Benson, so why not Rex and Brian?
Grossman
This is the most passing yards a Bears QB has had in awhile. This is his first full season. His stats are comparable to Petyon Manning's first full season. See it yourself:
http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/12531
http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/12531
If he sucks it up the next few games this obviously won't be true, but I say let him finish the season.
Also, why haven't the receivers names been brought up at all? Seriously. Just because Muhsin has one good season it doesn't mean he's a great receiver. Berrian can't catch the ball unless it's thrown to him directly in stride, nor can be break up passes that are thrown to him and covered well. Where are the three-wide/1 tight end plays the Colts use to perfection? Bradley/berrian/muhammad stack up well (Bradley = Wayne, Berrian = Harrison, and Muhammad = Stokley/Clark/whoever they line up in the slot and is healthy). What about the play calling?
Seriously, if they don't bench him they'll be fine, if not this year, then next year. It's not as though Griese has proven anything in his career.
P.S. They should start Cedric Benson too.
Griese is your turn!!
I beleive grossman is just plain gross....naw I give him credit for the first 5 but is seems as if his time is up he sucks out there!!
Let's face it the bears are 10-2 thanks to the almighty defense and the special team not for the lousy offense that rex grossman displays, the bears need a QB change just like the cowboys did. the fans DESERVE it.
I totally agree with Lovie. Why put Griese in now? WHEN REX IS ON EVERYONE IS HOOTIN'& HOLLERING...THE MINUTE HE THROWS A BAD PASS, HERE COMES THE BOO'S. SHAME ON YOU BEARS FANS! LEAVE THE COACHING TO LOVIE AND IT'LL ALL WORK OUT..YOU'LL SEE!
Rex Grossman seriously lacks the athletic ability to play in the NFL. One cannot compare Rex Grossman with Trent Dilfer. Unlike Rex, Trent did not turn the ball over. Morevover, Rex is too short to throw the intermediate pass routes. Have you ever noticed how many of Rex's passes are batted down. If you don't believe me, try throwing a football over a six -foot five defensive line when you stand six feet.
Rex is not a rookie quaterback. How come other "rookie" quaterbacks are doing well ( Phillip Rivers- Chargers, Vince Young- Titans, Tony Romo- Cowboys, Garrard_ Jaguars)?
I'll tell you why: they are better conditioned and have more talent than Rex.
I suggest Lovie Smith goes down to the southside and borrow the quaterback from Mount Carmel high school. Rex is a player who peaked in college. He is just not a NFL caliber quaterback
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Griese should definitely be our starter. Grossman has not proved he can do anything positive since the Buffallo game. that waz nearly 2 months ago. it cant hurt 2 start griese. the worst that can happen iz that he getz a 1.3% passer rating, 3 ints., and 34 yds. passing like grossman's all-time lows. maybe he'll b good sumday but his time iz not now
I think Lovie is completely wrong about the QB situation. Yes, we're 10-2 with Rex as our quarterback, but the goal is to have the most important win at the end of the season- the Superbowl. We're in position to get that win but I just don't see us getting there with Rex. He's a liability and I seriously doubt that anyone could do the job more worse. Griese is the best choice for continued success.
Johnny B. Bartlett; Rex you are offically on notice. You have 2 weeks to turn it around in order to continue to be the starting QB. heading into the playoffs, 2 WEEKS my friend. If your performance does not improve Mr. Griese will be call to take your place giving him 2 regular seasons games a bye week and then the week leading up to our playoff game. Basically 1 months time. Its your job to lose, hopefully you can restore your confidence along with alot of others!
Johnny Bucaro
Bartlett, IL>
Stay with Grossman, he got us this far, and he has proved he can play during the first half of the season. Whats with all the talk about getting rid of Lovie, he is the beast coach since Ditka. Kick some Ram butt next Monday!!!!!
Dear Suntimes(and all the others wannabes coaches),
Give me a break. The team is 10 & 2 and you are still not satisfied. What's wrong with letting the season run its course, and then commenting about what could have been. The Chicago Bears management has decided to put coach Lovie in charge. If you are not paying his salary why should Lovie listen to you? He is the coach, let him do his job. He is the one that has to answer to management no matter what. When and if he and his staff feels it is time to play another quarterback, they will. If Lovie puts in another guy, the media will say I told you so. If he does not, then the media will say he should have listen. For Lovie, it is a no win situation. And by the way, it’s the defense that we should be concerned with. They are the ones that blew that game in the playoffs last year, even after the leading the NFL in defense most of the year. Offense wins games, defense wins championships. The court is still out until the defense can show it can win some playoff games. Give the team support that includes players and coaches.
If Lovie Smith sticks with Rex Grossman until the Bears lose anouther game, he should be fired. Rex has hit the wall as far as ablity goes. Make the switch sooner or the Bears will be sorry later.
Grossman, as I have always thought is OVERRATED! He was always the overrated person on the team and not Urlacher. I never liked Grossman, and never will. HE sucks!
Im just gonna say. i think rex needs a break. maybe a whole game maybe not. he just needs to see the game from a different perspective. maybe you should start him first half but maybe you shouldnt. it all comes down to lovie, but my opinion is go with griese this sunday.
Peace
REX!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
it all boils down to rex's mental state. sit grossman down before its too late. they clinched the division. let griese play to get some reps i belive rex is trying too hard and the rest should help him clear his head.
I would start Griese.
GROSSman is just not consistant enough.If Griese show's he can't do it either ,we can always come back to GROSSman.
Punting on first down is always an option,let the DEFENSE win it for us!
I want Griese. Grossman is not the one to take the Bears to the Super Bowl.
Winning is the only thing that counts
Stick with Grossman, hes the future, and if hes not we need to know now. and Who is Greise, you mean the Guy that Shannahan ran out of Denver because he was to stupid to fully get the offense... seriously if he was that good all around, would Denver, Miami, or Tampa let him go, no i dont think so, there is somehting about him that doesnt allow him to stick around long...
It's a crying shame! The Bears have a super bowl champ defense but they won't get there with Grossbomb. Urlacher and company deserve a guy who at the least won't hurt them. Rex forgets that turnovers will kill even the best of defenses. Lovey, give us a chance with Griese... NOW!
Let's get rid of Grossman and put in Griese. What is Lovey thinking? He has a winning team and he is going to blow it for the fans. Don't wait too long Lovey!!!
Start Grossman in the St. Louis game. If he falters...pull him and put in Griese. I understand Lovie wanting to keep his confidence but at some point the needs of team need to come before Rex's feelings.
Hate to say it, but Grossman possesses a deadly (for him) combination - short and slow. He can't see because of the trees in front of him, but he can't move around to get away from those trees. He was good when opponents concentrated on the run, and didn't cover the bootleg. Who cares about home field? By my count, we're 2-6 in the playoffs at home since Super Bowl. Stay with Grossman, and it'll be 2-7.
I say start Grossman. We need to establish the running game before we can put all of the blame on the quarterback. No quarterback will have sucess in this offence. If we establish the running game we can open up the passing game and any quarterback will do. I seem to remember "We are a running team" at the beginning of the year. Lets stick with what worked for soo long.
This wouldn't even be a topic if it weren't for defense, special teams and front office providing this special luxury.
Grossman would have been on a bus back to Indiana in almost any other situation.
I've been calling for Griese since game 1 of the preseason. I called it right from the start that if we made it into post-season that grossman would lose the game for us. well we're not there vet and hes trying his best to keep us out of contention. Lovie and Turner have gotta get the heads out of their _____ and see whats going on; Your team is 10-2 your QB is 8-4 at best. Grossman doesnt have a long arm (med-long arm maybe), under pressure he makes high schooler mistakes, he leads his recievers, and he has no ability to scan the field to see whats going on.
The D and ST are top notch what we need now is a game managing QB thats going to play intelligently. In '85 McManhon wasn'ta super stud QB, he was a great game manager. I vote Griese. Oh and by the way Grossman is 0-1 in post season to a team Orton beat...hmmmmmmmm.
i think they should divide the halves this week. i dont think it would matter who played in the first half and who plays the second half. if i correctly recall though, the last time rex got injured was in st. louis during preseason. so i'd probably start griese first so the rams wont be so anxious to come after rex. but as far as the rest of the season goes, rex all the way baby, he's goin through this funk right now mainly b/c of the media pressure. if everyone would just shut up about it and let him get his mojo back, we should be alright, b/c i personally feel that if rex gets back to his rhythm like he did in the first 5 games around playoff time, the bears will be the number 1 team to beat!
I would like to see Brian Griese to start at half time if Rex is doing poorly.
Rex !!!!!!
Remember everybody had to see Stenstrom, Hutchinson or Burris to name a few,
come in to save the day??
Griese is average at best, and is no upgrade. Except I would have liked to see a switch at halftime, in New England because Rex hurt his hand. Thats the only reason. Rex can be to Chicago, like Bret was for Green Bay. I have confidence in Rex!
I say we go with Griese! What have we got to lose?!?!? Grossman is averaging almost 3 interceptions a game! If it wasn't for our defense I think we would lose some of the games we won. And on the other hand we are barely beating teams that we should be blowing out. I say we go for it and let nature take its course, who knows Griese might surprise us. It's a lot better to try something new than to keep having these interceptions every game and having us bite our nails every 4th quarter.
collectively the Bears have a great football team, I believe they need a quarterback that has the ability to manage the game, Griese is the role player the team needs, manage the team, move the chains, just don't give it away like Rex, the trend in the NFL for the quarterback position is to extend the play, Rex is like a statue in the pocket, he does not have any mobility, he is too short too stay in the pocket and make reads over the tall lineman, Griese has big stage experience and a quiet demeanor, Rex is a head case, he really thinks he is good, sorry Rex I wish you were.
I believe the answer is obvious, yank Rex out. If the previous four games were not proof enough, take a look at the game vs. Minnesota. Most of the points were direct result of the defense or special teams. The only touchdown produced by the offence was due to a defensive play.
Well... we still have a few games before the playoffs. Let's see if Grossman bounces back. My only fear is that he looks good in the next few weeks and goes south in the playoffs, or that he ruins our home field advantage in the playoffs if he continues to suck the rest of the season. All I want for xmas is a consistant QB.
First of all, I don't agree to this stupid poll!! What? Do you think you can force Lovie into changing his mind by pressurinbg fans to vote on it....cheap try!! I'm ashamed to say I purchase the Sun-Times. Second, leave Rex alone...he hasn't even completed one season of play yet. If he's our future we have to go with him. If you take out and put in QB's a lot of psyc comes into play, anyway...that's one girls opinion!!!
I think that Brain Griese should be the quarterback because he's the man for the job,and the coach never use him in the regular season.
Does Lovie Smith even realize that the temperature Sunday was almost ten times higher than Grossman's rating? The choice is quite simple...Brian Griese. I think that the bad game vs. Arizona shot down Grossman's confidence and his head has been scrambled ever since.
Does Lovie Smith even realize that the temperature Sunday was almost ten times higher than Grossman's rating? The choice is quite simple...Brian Griese. I think that the bad game vs. Arizona shot down Grossman's confidence and his head has been scrambled ever since.
Grossman is a good quarterback but when he gets under pressure he throws interceptions. So, I vote for Griese.
I would start Grossman in the first half, and then I would put him on the bench. No mater how he played. He needs to know that his job is not guaranteed.
grossman is alright but sometimes your awesome sometimes you suck we cant take those chances in the playoffs I think griese should start.
Griese!!! If not griese then Kyle orton. I've seen Orton throw darts last night and he's got an arm :)
I THINK THAT THEY SHOULD STAY WITH GROSSMAN, BECAUSE THEY WERE COMMITTED TO START THE YEAR WITH HIM, WIN OR LOSE. HE SHOULD BE ABLE TO FINISH THE YEAR AND BUILD CONFIDENCE. YOU CANT TAKE HIM OUT HALF WAY THROUGH THE SEASON. IS HE ON A GAME BY GAME TRIAL OR YOU GONNA LET HIM PLAY THE SEASON OUT. GOOD THINGS COME FROM BAD EXPERIENCE"S AND HE"S HAVING BAD EXPERIENCE"S NOW.
I've been sticking up for Rex all season long. My confidence is finally gone. Give him the first half of St. Louis. if we get GB, San Fran, NFC player of the month Rex in the first half, stick with him...if not, then it's time to Griese the wheels.
They have to stick with grossman. The Bears organization and we the fans need a great uarterback here in chicago. We all have seen what Grossman can do when he is at his best. I think he's going through rookie mistakes and remember this is first full season (hopefully). I think the bears should stick with grossman this year and throughout the playoffs. We are not going to go anywhere with griese. he doesnt know the system and lets face it if he was that good why has every team he's been on let him go? There's obviously a problem with him. Griese is a good back up, but thatsall hell ever be. He can not be the leader of this offense or this team. If the bears want to have a steady quarter back for the nest 10 years they'll keep Grossman.Obviously that's why they are keeping him there. And those who want griese whould use their head before they think because obviosuly they don't know what they're talking about.
The Bears beat the Vikings despite Rex Grossman. This against a team with the 31st-ranked pass defence in the NFL! A corpse has a quarterback ranking of zero. What was Grossman's? The steady decline in Grossman's numbers corresponds to the steady decline in the Bears' Super Bowl prospects. Mr. Griese deserves a chance and so do Bears fans.
I think the bears would be 12-0 if Lovie Smith had sat Rex Grossman down in the second hafe in both games we loss. I do not think Rex should lose his starting job, but if he is playing bad and he is, then put Griese in, and give Rex time to think and see what he is doing wrong. Lovie is putting to much on the defence and special teams to cover up and make up for Rex mistakes. The only thing Rex has to do is manage the game!If the Bears played Dallas Sunday, they would lose, not because Dallas is a better team, but because they have a better QB. Lovie Smith said sunday " We're 10-2 and we just won the division with Rex as our quarterback" that is true, but with this Defensive team and your special team, I could had been the quartback!!
All we are saying is give greis a chance... well, look on the bright side, rex didn't fumble or drop any snaps, so he has that going for him. And he wore gloves so maybe he could grip the ball a bit better, although his accuracy seemed worse, so maybe he needs one glove for not fumbling and one glove for not throwing interceptions.
also on the bright side, mondays game is indoors so rex should look better and be able to hold and throw the ball a bit better may not even need gloves. Although, he still won't be able to see over line or move in pocket and he's more likely to get hurt on the fast track turf there. If only he played in someplace warm with slow natural grass, that would best suit his limited attributes. So maybe rex, lovie and angelo can all go to say tampa bay after this year. then if the mcaskies sell the team the bears can start fresh and bears fans will have only lost 4 or five more years from their lives. Which is worse being a cubs fan or a bears fan, tribune vs mcaskies? And if you are both it may be best to just move up north and take up ice fishing and the puckers.
All we are saying is give greis a chance... well, look on the bright side, rex didn't fumble or drop any snaps, so he has that going for him. And he wore gloves so maybe he could grip the ball a bit better, although his accuracy seemed worse, so maybe he needs one glove for not fumbling and one glove for not throwing interceptions.
also on the bright side, mondays game is indoors so rex should look better and be able to hold and throw the ball a bit better may not even need gloves. Although, he still won't be able to see over line or move in pocket and he's more likely to get hurt on the fast track turf there. If only he played in someplace warm with slow natural grass, that would best suit his limited attributes. So maybe rex, lovie and angelo can all go to say tampa bay after this year. then if the mcaskies sell the team the bears can start fresh and bears fans will have only lost 4 or five more years from their lives. Which is worse being a cubs fan or a bears fan, tribune vs mcaskies? And if you are both it may be best to just move up north and take up ice fishing and the puckers.
Leave Grossman in! Rex is the key to New England's slim Super Bowl victory hopes. Go Pats!
I think you should put in Griese. Rex Grossman looks like he has lost all confidence in the passing game. I mean you can't just do a running game all day,they will just read you like a book. Brian Griese on the other hand will do better in the passing game. And really Grossman had like 15 or more turnovers in the last 7 games. It just hurts to watch the game. But I still watch the games because I love the Bears. But that's just my comment.
I lived in Denver when Griese was quarterback. He was great,had a better record than Elway. If you want to win the Super Bowl go with a PRO GO WITH Griese!
I say go with Griese. Take turns.
How ungrateful can one city be? The Bears are doing something special and the people in this city still find a way to make this team feel like they are two and ten, not ten and two. But in recent Bears seasons, they have been bottom feeders of the NFL with a playoff appearence here and there before going one and out. That's reason to boo. Or is it? The fans at the Bears game were booing a team that finally has a decent QB in Grossman, a dominating defense and an unbelieveable special teams unit. The only reason why fans and writers alike want Griese is because he's not Rex Grossman, meaning that they just want the back up QB in the games. My question is what happens if Griese flops or gets hurt? That would make Kyle Orton next right? Well if the fans don't want Grossman and Griese gets hurt, Orton would then be the starter correct? No. He won't be and neither will Griese. Grossman has had a a couple games recently, but doesn't every athlete have a few bad games here and there? Grossman will bounce back and prove all the ungrateful fans and sports writers wrong.
Go with the coach! He said we would beat the Pack and did. He said we would win the division and did. He said we would win the superbowl and we will. He has made some great decisions so far and he will do what is best for this team. We are in the playoffs again. Lets enjoy that for now and allow him to manage the rest. We haven't enjoyed this type of success in years Bear Down Chicago and support your team!
lovie smith should put in brian griese for the game against the st.louis rams because rex grosman made a lot of turnovers the last couple of games.
Take Grossman out!!! The defense is winning the games.Griese will lead the Bears to the Super Bowl!!
100% brian griese would do good against the rams.
Grossman has gotten worse with each game and we better start Griese now instead of in the play offs. We have to have proper footing entering the play offs
Leave Rex alone. How can anyone have any confidence when he is constantly berated and harrassed by the media? In the end, it is up to Lovie and not us, so get a life media.
How much worse does Rex have to be before Lovie gets the message? Do we really need to pay the ultimate price in the playoffs for stubborness? Who cares if Rex was supposed to be the center of an offense for the next few seasons. Last time I checked, the only point of playing seasons is to get to (and be successful in) the playoffs and try to win it all.
Lovie also says that you don't get better by riding the bench, well if Griese is our best bet, that is all the more reason to get him in there and get him in there and fast. If he can do better than Rex, (which isn't a high standard at this point) we should use the next few games to get him used to the pressure, so he can be that much better when playoffs come around.
Anyone that thinks wrecks should still start is a moron... 1.3 QB rating against the 31 ranked pass defense and you want to rely on this kid who trips and doesnt even try to get up. Can someone give me lovies email address because i have some choice words for him. This is our chance to win it all and the only QB who can get us there is GRIESE!!!
HOW ABOUT TRACKING DOWN JIM MCMAHON AND ASKING HIM TO SUIT UP IT IS REALLY ASHAME THAT THE BEARS CAN ATRACT POSITION PLAYERS AT ALMOST EVERY POSITION EXCEPT QB
IN LIEU OF JIM MCMAHON I'D BE HAPPY WITH KYLE ORTON HE IS A CHICAGO PROVEN QB I HAVE NO OPINION ABOUT
GRIESE EXCEPT TO SAY THAT
HE WOULD BE A REFRESHING CHANGE FROM REX THE HEX
HIS NUMBERS SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES AND LAST WEEK WHAT AN ABOMANATION I THINK THAT LOVIE SMITH SHOULD START THINKJING ABOUT HIS FUTURE W/THE BEARS IF HE BLOWS THE OPPORTUNITY TO GET TO A SUPER BOWL GAMELET ALONE WIN ONE W/THIS EXTREMELY TALENTED DEFENCE AND SPECIAL TEAMS I'M SO FREAKING TIRED OF HEAR HOW REX HAS TAKEN US TO A
10 AND 2 RECORD THIS YEAR IT INPUNES THE OTHER 44 PLAYERS ON THE TEAM
ED KHAMIS
GLENVIEW,ILL.
Tragically, not every athlete has a 1.3 QB rating (probably the lowest since they implemented the system) that has followed 2 other pitiful showings. All the Bears need is a QB that is consistent with pass completions, and DOESN'T TURN THE BALL OVER! The Ravens had it with Dilfer and the Bucs had it with Johnson. IF, and I do say IF, Griese goes in and gets hurt, we will deal with it then. For now, we HAVE to deal with this problem. GRIESE gets my vote because he will be more consistent and smart with his decisions than Rex.
I say stick with Grossman and let him turn it around. If you remember, he was awful in the preseason games and started the first 5 games as an outstanding quarterback. He's hit a slump and it doesn't help with the fans booing him. I'm sure Lovie Smith knows what he's doing and will put Griese in when the time is right and if needed.
Stay with Rex 10-2 they are winning thats what its all about Did Dan Marino,Peyton Manning,get benched for having a few bad games i can't remember but i don't think so!! Give the guy a break True Bear fans shouldn't give up on him yet
Mike North should shut up with his comments to about Rex he's starting to sound like "S-D" Jay Mariotti Mr. Never Played a Sport!!!
I say get Rexie out of there he is just hurting the team and their change to the superbowl. Put Griese in. Next get Lovie some glasses make sure he is seeing the same plays we are seeing, the ones that his boy is messing up. I say BOO with Grossman! Yeah with Griese
GRIESE all the way! Lovie Smith says no quarterback change because the Bears won the division with Rex. Didn't the Bears win the division with Orton last year? He didn't hesitate to replace him with Grossman!
gotta go with #8 and change the play calling, dont we have a tight end!?!? Stop throwing hail marry's and use the field..screens, slants, etc.!! If that doenst work....go with Griese!! GO BEARS!!!!
Grossman is the future, hopefully for many seasons. There is only one way to get there, on the field.
Must stay with Grossman in St. Louis, if he fails to ignite what seems to be some great recivers on our squad then we must try Greise.
There is no way that Rex should still be playing. Look at Dallas, they were struggling, and they brought in Romo, and now they are looking better than anyone in the NFC. The Bears will not win a playoff game with Rex. BRING IN GRIESE.
To bad Rex there is no minor league like in Baseball so they can teach you how to be a Quarterback GRIESE ALL THE WAYYYYYYYYYYYY
Griese should get one chance. If he doesn't throw as many interceptions as Grossman, than he should stay in. We can make it to the playoffs and possibly the superbowl without Rex. What is Lovie thinking??? Why is he leaving Rex in!!!
It's time to make a change just to make sure you have the best QB in the game. At this rate the Bears will make the playoffs but they need to score. This offense cannot put points on the board. How much longer can the defense do all the scoring for this team. It's time for a change!
I have been a Bears fan through thick or thin for over 40 Years.
I am so sick of the Fair weather fans who want a QB Benched at the first sign of a RUT.
Give the kid grossman a chance for Cripes sake he is only playing his First R?EAL Year of football and this will only make him better.
Try looking up Brett Favres, troy aikmans, John Elways First year Full season stats you will all be Highly surprised!
We are 10-2 thanks mostly to the defense. I would start Rex and if he isn't getting it done by half, then put Griese in. Rex has led the team all year and deserves to continue starting. I think he has a sense of security right now that may need to be tested. I always believe if you are not getting it done, there is someone else who can. We should have changed Grossman out in the New England game since he was playing so badly. ... I know conflicting opinions ... start Rex but replace him if his play warrants it.
I say leave Grossman in if he losses then there is no reason not to take him out after the game but he keeps winning so why not go with him. He is bound to get his stride back, and if he doesn't he's out.
Look, I'm a die-hard Chicago Bears fan, but I don't always agree with Lovie's decision to put Grossman in the whole game.Give Greise a chance--I mean you have to give him some playing time; see how he is in a regular season game-if Greise does good then I would stick with him. I agree with John F., I would play Grossman the first half and then put Griese in the second.Yea-- the line has to back Rex up and all, and the defense has to get good field position for him to get us some points, but I mean Grossman has got to pick up the pace a little bit; maybe pass the ball a little more and don't just run it. Grossman's got a good arm, I just think that sometimes he's afraid of it. He has made so many good passes down field to Muhammad and you don't see that too often anymore.I would:
1. Start Greise for a game; see how well he works with the plays and as well as the players. Has he gotten good field position? Has he scored points? Is he interacting with the players well and finding the open man?
2. Go to Grossman as soon as as Griese starts to get tired. Don't make Rex throw too much on the sideline, stretch him out, refresh his memory on the plays, make him watch the defense, let him figure them out; if he does this we'll probably have that game beaten in no time.
3. TRY to give Griese and Grossman equal amounts of playing time. Let Ron Turner see who has the better stats in the game. Whoever has the better stats; start him in the next game.
GO BEARS!!!
greise is better than grossman
I believe that lovie should bench grossman for the next two games and give brian Griese a chance to see how well he plays against two strong opponents.
Stick with Grossman for two more games. If he doesn't improve, go to Griese. That would give him two full games and two more weeks of practice with the first string(if they get the bye)before their first playoff game,plenty of time to shake off the rust. Actually, Rex has had two good games and two bad games over the last four(QB ratings of 105,82,23 and 1). Griese is no sure thing either. He has had two good seasons(only 10 games in each) and five mediocre seasons. Believe it or not, Rex has more playoff experience(one game to none).
rex is a bum i vote for griese
My vote is for Griese - he won't lose games. Rex has lost games (Miami/New England) and has almost lost games (Arizona/Minnesota - 2x). Lovie is foolish when he gives Rex credit for the 10-2 season. If Rex is our QB going into the playoffs, we are "one and done" again (and Lovie may lose his job).
As a relevant side note, I understand from some U-Florida fans that Rex was very inconsistent in college too. Some days he was great, others terrible. I haven't gone back to check his stats, but it wouldn't surprise me.
Rex.
I wish some of you BEARS fans would show some bear heart. Rex had a few bad and good Orton had no good and Griese is a real pro but he is a back up not our CUB. We have to show some loyalty. RIDE OR DIE!!!!
Man I can't wait until January. You guys are off the chain!!!!10-2 and people acting like we're the worst team in football. Rex had 3 staight bad games and everyone is ready to throw him to the dogs. So what happens if Brian Griece comes in and throws a couple of ints? Yall gonna bash him too. Give the kid a chance to get his confidence back. He started off hot. And Yall were holding up signs apoligizing for booing him in preseason. Now that he has hit a wall. you guys are clammering for Griese and comparing Lovie smith to dusty Baker. I'm speechless. William, please break it down for'em again.
I think Brian Griese because he has more experents. He has a super bowl ring. He also is a good quaterback.
I would start Griese to see if I really have the best quarterback out there. There is an old saying a lot of coaches use in football that goes " to what degree of failure can we get a way with". Every week Rex gets worse and that degree of failure shrinks and it will catch the Bears in the playoffs.
Lovie has done a a great job in coaching the Bears. That has included talent selection.
I trust Lovie to make the right decision at the right time
The Bears already have the title, what harm is there in giving Griese some playing time? What if Grossman gets injured? Griese will be totally unprepared.
I vote for Rex!
Keep him on a short leash. If he struggles again, it's time to see Griese. Rex deserves another shot, one more shot!
Here we go again with theses QB issues. And, just in time for Monday Night Football for everyone to see. Despite our record, Griese deserves a chance to prove himself. Besides, Grossman hasn't been winning the games-it's the defense (and special teams)! GO URLACAHER & CO.!
With all of the high praise that Griese is receiving, I can't believe this guy was let go by other teams! With all his popularity, the Bears should try to trade Griese for a first and second round pick!
Rex...is just gross man! Give Griese a shot. What are they waiting for? yeah, we're 10-2; but Griese needs play time big time or "that's a 10-4 big buddy." What's Griese got to be thinking if he can't even get in the game with Gross Man's lousy record!?
I am a huge Bears Fan. We have waited a long time for a good qtrback. Least we forget Kordell Stewart. Rex is that qtrback. Remember Rex lead FSU to an SEC game in 2001. Griese is what he is Griese. We can not say for sure that he is the answer. Look at what happen to Denver. The Press got to the Coach and he switched. Chicago is our city, Bears are our team, Lovie is our coach and Rex IS OUR QUARTERBACK. I believe in Rex as Lovies does. Hopefully Rex believes in Rex. We need to support them instead of dividing them. We don't want a team like the Giants. True Bears fans should support Rex as we did Jim Hardbrough,and Kordell Steward with out winning records. REMEMBER WE ARE 10-2 not 2-10
Stick with Rex but change up the offensive game plan. It's too predictable....run the ball!
take grossman out ,ride Griese all the way to the superbowl............
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My vote is for Lovie Smith. As a defensive coordinator he led the Rams to two super bowls, winning one. So far Lovie Smith has accomplished more than half his goals he set when he became the Bears head coach, beat Green Bay, win the division, and winning the super bowl. Just one more to go. As far as Rex is concerned, if he doesn't relax and just play smart, safe football I think Lovie will make the change. Just ask R.W. Mcquarters, Mike Green, Chris Harris, Chad Hutchinson, Bobby Wade, Jonathan Quinn(he's horrible),Terry Shea and Kyle Orton. If Rex forces Lovie to make the change he will. The good thing is we have a two game lead and four games left to make things right.
Everything is clinched except homefield advantage and we have a 2 game lead there so that shouldn't be too hard to attain. Stick with Rex he obviously needs the experience. Bring in Griese in the 3rd or 4th and let him get his feet wet. Remember he is coming off of major reconstructive surgery.
griese's experience and competence gives us a better chance to get to the superbowl.....I VOTE GRIESE IN GROSS MAN OUT!!!!!
Rex has a little more than 1 season under his belt, and the first time he has been somewhat healthy at this point in the season. Let the guy at least do one full season before dumping him. It has been 21 years since the last time the Bears won a Super Bowl and to be honest, besides McMahon, who has had the job that long and won anything? I think we need to let Rex worry about football and less about trying to over impress the media and fans. If Griese is the Savior, then why did Tampa, Denver and Miami let him go? Enough said!!!!
I vote for Griese....heck I'd vote for Daffy Duck if he was a choice. Grossman has proved that he has no staying power. With each game his performance weakens, and if it weren't for special teams and Urlacher's defensive team, Grossman wouldn't be able to fight his way out of a paper bag. GET GROSS MAN OUT OF THERE AND LET COMPETENT QUARTERBACKS PLAY BALL....34 YARDS, BAH!!
Take this friendly advice from a Denver fan... there is nothing more painful than watching Griese QB a team to one disappointing loss after another. Never call for the never-quite-made-it-in-the-big-time washed-up QB over someone who could be your franchise QB. If he were actually good then one of his teams would have kept him as a starter. Grossman will come around.
If Griese was such a great quarterback, then why is he a backup and been on 4 different teams? Everyone forgets he was booed off the field in Denver. Experience counts for a lot in my book, and there's only one way for Rex to get that experience - by playing! (oh yeah, let someone else do the play calling also)
Grossman. Everyone was his number one fan in the first five games. He is still the same guy. He needs improved playcalling until he gets his confidence back, and when he does, he'll be back to his 250+ yard games with three TDs. It also doesn't help when 50,000 people boo after every incomplete pass.
Let's face it. The Bears are not about a powerful passing game. They are team designed for good defense and a solid running game. The special teams this year has been an unexpected bonus. We need a QB who will take care of the ball.
I say give Grossman one half next Monday and have Turner change his stupid play-calling. If that doesn't cut it, bring Griese in and see how he performs.
I think it's time to replace Rex with Brian Griese. Rex had his opportunity to prove himself. But he failed last three games. He no longer has his confidence. I do not see Bears will go to Superball with Rex. Let's go with Brian from now on. He has more experience then Rex.
I say leave Rexie in. He's just putting too much pressure on himself. He was really bad in preseason and now look, we are 10-2...yes, defense helped out a great deal, but no one is giving Rex credit for how great he was playing in the beginning of the season, He also has helped us get to where we are now, along with the defense.
1 more week with Rex, 2 interceptions and he's done for the year (baring an
injury). Please pass this message on to the coach.
Grossman needs to be bench already. You would think after sitting on the sidelines for three seasons he would of learned the defence of his oppenets. This is his first full season and it shows that he does not have what it takes to be a #1 QB. The Bears are only 10-2 this season because of Hester on Speical teams & the defence.
A couple of things I'd like to add:I have faith in Lovie Smith and believe he'll do what's best for the Bears to win in the playoffs. Grossman deserves a couple more games to straighten things out. He's had a lot more good games than bad and has shown he can play brilliant at times. People like to point out Parcells and Romo. He stuck with Bledsoe a long time before he made a change. The QB position is not a revolving door. If you look at Rex's statistics, his four worst games are when he threw the ball 30-40 times. That is not Bear football. They need to get back to smashmouth football especially the way Benson has been running lately, and keep the passing plays to the 20-25 range. Also, find a way to get Devin Hester 4-5 touches a game on offense. The Bears will go to the Superbowl, no matter who QB's because the NFC is weak (Romo and the 'Pokes will come back down to earth) and the Bears should have home field advantage. And if they play San Diego, the Bears will have one big advantage, Marty Schottenheimer and his record in big games.
The grass is not always greener, we're 10-2 for god sake!
All you anti-Grossman's sure were praising him at the beginning of the year. He is a good quarterback and he needs our support now. He is basically a rookie. He's learning still, and Lovie obviously sees something in him that is worth the pains we are going through now. QB'ing is more than just throwing a pass, it's about being able to command an offense, and ours supports Rex.You got this Sh#@ Rex!!!! Go Bears
i would give grossman the benefit of the doubt and try to get his groove back, but yank him out if he has a bad first half. lovie needs to toughen up and let his QB know that if he can't fix his mistakes then he should have a seat next to klye. grossman has use to the idea that no matter how bad he performs he will still be starting the following week,and that is because of Coach Lovie Dovie. so i say stick with rex, pending on the first half against the rams.
i am a grossman fan but i think lovie needs to do what is best for the team and put in greise. he had faith in orton last year and he pulled him for grossman well do the same now
GO with Grossman. If Griese was that good, the coaching staff would be smart enough to start 'em... wouldnt they?
The Bears have been winning in spite of Grossman, not because of him. Time to let Griese take a shot & and see what he can do!!
I say stay with grossman he is our qb and a former first draft pick...so the guy has had bad games recently not even favre was awesome his first games besides what is ovie supposed to do if griese fails? go to orton ( no offense intended) I mean you can't keep changing Qb's everytime one does not work there is alex smith..the kid dint started great but he is there and besides grossman has taken this team to a 10-2 season so far. let's give the guy another chance before drawing final conclusions and rex just relax boy and throw the way you know..come on boy you are a QB in the nfl that's not a job that's a privilege.
Let us begin to analyze the logic being used by Lovie in wanting to keep Wrecks as the QB. He says the Bears are 10-2 with this guy, but aren't the Bears 10-2 "IN SPITE REX??" If it weren't for the Defense and Special Teams last Sunday, we would have been 9-3 for sure. If we count the Cardinals game too into that same category, we would be 8-4. I don't have the stats at my disposal at this moment to determine how much lower we would be in the win column in regard to a few of the other games, but I can only feel we would be even in a worse scenario, especially when I see the great columns written by your Sports Writers where Rex has played "awful" in the last 4 of the 7 last games.
What is Lovie thinking? If we look back at the Pre Season, I saw that Brian was throwing the ball much sharper than Wrecks, even with the long throws. Isn't the Pre Season the time when the coaching staff determines who the starting QB is going to be and the player annointed to the position had to earn the right to be the "starter?" How did Rex "earn" that right?
When Lovie says Rex is 10-2, how don't we know we could be "undefeated" at this point in the season, had he started Brian at the position instead of Rex? Lovie certainly would not make it in the baseball world, if he always wanted to keep his starting pitchers in the baseball game no matter how bad they stunk up multiple innings. I used to be a BIG FAN of Lovie, but Lovie if you are reading this, you are losing me as a fan each week that you keep Rex as the QB and I feel you are turning me into an outspoken critic of yours. If you doing this to one of your former biggest fans, you must stop to think how many other fans are starting to feel the same abou you. Just as the fans are booing Rex at Soldier's Field, you will become their next target, Lovie and I am sure you do not want that.
A great manager creates an environment that is uplifting for his employees and providees them with incentive to perform at their best. How do you feel the morale of your Defense and Special Teams is doing right now, Lovie, by leaving Rex as your man? Didn't you see the look on Brian Urlacher when he was interviewed after the game last Sunday? Having Rex in the game is no doubt tearing the hearts out of his teammates at all the positions. This in essence would be creating a very low morale for the teammates, which is never good.
Please also consider that Brian is
6' 4", which is a more desirable height for the QB position than Rex' height of 6' 1". When the opposing defensive line starts collapsing around Rex, he apparently is not tall enough to see beyond them, so his gun slinging tendancy to throw the ball down the fleld in an apparent attempt to "throw the ball up for grabs" is not too advisable.
I find it paradoxical that Rex still has a giant ego by feeling he is the greatest by the outward appearance he is trying to display, yet you can tell his inward confidence has been shaken by the demeanor he displayed when being interviewed, which cannot be hidden by his body language. Rex has had way too many chances to pull out of the slump and he should not be given any more, PERIOD. He apparently does not play well at the world stage (look at the last Monday night game in Phoenix), so why should he be trusted in next Monday's game in St. Louis?
It has to be inevitable that Rex will be replaced by Brian if Rex continues his streak of bad games, but if we start losing more games, we have the potential of losing home court advantage, so why would we want to risk it? Also, Brian needs to have enough games under his belt to carry him into the post season in his own streak (hopefully a winning streak).
Brian needs to start playing with the first team offense right now in practice instead of taking a few reps with the 2nd or 3rd string. If Lovie is trying to save face by not officially pulling Rex from the starting lineup, then maybe he and Rex ought to talk in private about putting Rex on the Injuried Reserve for some phantom injury or ailment that is hard to diagnose. I am actually suprised that the Defense has not already put a hard hit on Rex in recent days during practice like they did to Cedric Benson in the Pre Season practice that kept Cedric out of a few games with a shoulder injury, but maybe Lovie put a stop to that type of hard play action. Please note that I am not saying the defense should do this, but I am just expressing my surprise that number 8 ("Ocho" as the Bengals' Chad Johnson would say) doesn't have an invisible bulls-eye tacked onto him by the defense.
Why can't a coach decide to switch QBs on their own at any given time, like the Minnesota coach did last Sunday? Some years ago back in the late 1980's I attended a Bears game when Da Coach, Iron Mike, was at the helm at a Tampa Bay game when it was Tampa's Vinny Testaverde v the Bears Jim Harbaugh. Jim was not playing too well for most of the game and I was sitting not too far behind the Bears bench, near the 40 yard line, when I started to chant "T Zak." I couldn't believe it, but Da Coach did put in Mike Tomczak to replace Jimmy H. Mikey put up three quick TD's in just a few minutes and the fans were going wild in the stands. I never saw that much excitement in the stands in my life (yes, if I did not leave the Cleveland game early a few years ago with about 2 minutes to play with the Bears trailing by 14 points, I would have been a witness to an even greater comeback excitement). Lovie should be empowered to replace a QB whenever it is the right thing to do.
In closing, Rex has to go and Brian must be given the opportunity to help us win. Rex has had too many years to "learn" on the job and it is "inexcusable" that he is playing this poorly this late in the season. If he started the season winning, he should have developed the "momentum" and still be on the winning streak, but that has not happened. Something is wrong in Lake Forest and it needs to be fixed, now!!
Griese..Lets see what he can do before its too late.
Greise is not the answer, he's a competent back up with a 39-33 regular season record. Grossman showed flashes of brilliance in september, plus I consider this his rookie season, I think you have to grow with the kid, he just has to learn to slow down and let the game come to him, he's overthinking and trying to make something happen every play. Brett Farve threw 24 ints in his second full year as a starter. Payton Manning threw 28 ints his rookie year. just a case of guys trying to do too much with the ball. Greise has never played a full 16 game season in his "illustrious" 9-year career, how does he become the savior of a 10-2 football team? I couldn't tell anything was wrong with them by looking at their record, which equals the Colts record, I dont see anyone trying to bench Manning.
What many of you favoring griese are forgetting is that grossman doesnt call the play, the coaches do. when orton was playing last season, how many times were the bears going for deep pass plays? they werent, and the only reason they are now is because rex got that arm. i promise you, if rex had just a little better protection from the line, and better play calling from the coaches, i GUARANTEE you all that he would continuously be compared to favre. he has the arm, and he has the accuracy. if peyton didnt have the protection he has, he wouldnt be as dominant as he is. no disrespect to our line, but they arent picking up the blitz very well, and giving him enough time. i say its all on the coaches, they arent doing a very good job right now. and if they dont calm down and strategize better (on offense and defense) THEY ARE GONNA BE THE REASON WHY THE BEARS DONT REACH OR WIN THE SUPERBOWL - NOT REX! stick wit rex, keep griese as back up!
Not much else to say besides 18 turnovers in 7 games. Lovie is like Tommy Lee Jones (two face)in Batman Forever. He takes out Orton after a series of bad games last year in the middle of the game. Now he is sticking behind the Gator Rex! How can the Bears avoid a one and done in the playoffs with a quarterback that should be playing on the North side with numbers like that!
I have been saying play Rex for a half since the Arizona game. Now all the people who thought I was nuts are calling for his head. You can have it both ways because by the half you know what Rex your going to get. Play Griese!
As difficult as this has been the last few weeks, this game against the Rams is a great opportunity for Rex to step it up. If not, I am for trying Griese in the second half. The turnovers simply must end this week. Either the "good" Rex shows up or it could be "wait until next year" for the Bears. They can't afford to give up so many turnovers going into the playoffs.
Just because Grossman had a few rough games now everybody wants to jump off the bandwagon. He's still young & learning, everybody loved him early in the season & was talking about how he was the best Bears QB ever. Give the kid some time to learn & get off his back after every single mistake. He will be the future QB to lead the team for the next decade if you idiots would get off his back & let him learn.
Rex needs the reps and we have already clinched the division, so in effect what we have here is a free pre-season. Rex has by far the best potential to take us all the way. Lovie and the Rons are doing fine, too. As for the Sun-Times calling the shots for the Bears, hey, you're my favorite newspaper and all, but we have seen how fabulously a newspaper runs a big-league sports franchise in this town, so if y'all don't mind, stick to reporting the sports news and let the sports guys stick to producing it, ay? Ay?
Give the man another chance; we have played teams with average records. Let him finish out a full season, then when the play- offs come let him play the first half. If his performance is good leave him alone to develop and play. If not put in the grease lightning. Then let Rex stand on the sideline and learn from a vet. If Rex is the future you have to give him a season to show something. If all goes well this would be his first full season as a starter right. He is young and still learning!!!! Lovie knows what he is doing and remember he is under paid too!!!!!!
Grossman. This is almost storybook. QB is wunderkind, QB loses touch, village wants QB burned at stake, then, at the last moment, all his magical powers return and he wins the Super Bowl with an amazing performance and the villagers crown him their king.
The NFL is a business since when do sports writers get to pick who starts. There 10&2 let Rex play there not losing. quit stirring up the pot.
SIT REX DOWN FOR A GAME OR TWO, TO GET HIS HEAD SCREWED ON STRAIGHT, AND TO CORRECT HIS MECHANICS. IF GRIESE DOES WELL, LET HIM START UNTIL GAME FIFTEEN, THEN GO BACK TO GROSSMAN. AT THE END OF THE REGULAR SEASON EVALUATE BOTH QBS AND PICK ONE AND STAY WITH HIM THROUGHOUT THE PLAYOFFS.
Grossman. This is no time to tinker with the offense by changing QB`s.Brian Griese is not in starting shape.They should start to work him in the last three games of the season and see if he is over his knee problem he had when he came here.Grossman have a bad half monday nite yank him fast no hesitation.Go Bears!
Its not rex's fault the league has figured out his weaknesses and how to play him. Rex hasn't gotten worse the league has adjusted how it plays against him and now takes away what he had been doing well and has exposed his weaknesses which are obvious to anyone to see. Like Denny Green said, the bears are what we thought they were. Now king rex has had him crowned by angelo and lovie. I have zero confidence that the bears coaches will be able to hide rex's "shortcomings" and "get a grip" on "seeing" the problem and "moving" on. Now opponents don't even have to defend the short underneath routes because rex can't see his receivers and if he tries to zip a short range pass, without lofting it, he has to throw it at o line helmet level. He can't reach up high enough to throw a flat trajectory pass over the o line, its just geometry. So unless the bears coaches can put him on a platform or get him some elevator shoes, he's limited to longer, higher trajectory passes. Remember the flat pass he threw straight to taylor? Do you think the rest of the league can't see these things? Go ahead keep playing him, he may have good games against coaches like coughlin who won't adjust their schemes to beat the bears, but for any good coaches its an easy gameplan. Do you want to keep playing rex or do you want to win the super bowl?
Rex is like ben bennett and danny weurfal, spurrier guys, remember them? I'd play Rex and Griese the next 4 games, and make opposing coaches game plan against both of them. Try to put the pressure on the opposing coaches and defenses for a change. Why does the bears offense seem to always put pressure on the bears own defense, its like the jauron game plan all over again. If the opposing team just prepares for griese and rex plays, then rex has a better chance of success, and vice versa. Play them both until the play offs, then go with the guy who will get you the win, survive and advance!!
I'm shocked and apalled at all the great armchair coaches-that we have here in Chicago. I've been on these blogs since preseason and I can remember every guy that voiced his displeasure with Rex and every one that thought that Lovie was a bad coach. It was easy to defend them because we only had a few that disagreed that they were Good or great. Now we have guys writing personal letters to Lovie about how he BETTER make the change or he's fired. Really. Say it to his face. I'm not saying that he's BILLY-BAD-A$$ and would break you in half. NO. I'm saying some of you guys are cowards and hide behind TAGS instead of names. My mother named me William so I go by that. I don't go by"RINANDSTYMPY4LIFE" or anything like that because I like my name and I'm not gonna hide from it. Especially when I'm calling a man out and threatening his livelihood . All these new bloggers on and it's amazing. Last count 371 logs. Wow. Where were you guys? If you have been reading these blogs all along you'd see who has been on the bandwagons and who has been against us all along. Where did you guys come from? Do you run into another BEARS fan and say;"Man I'm Pissed about this crap with the BEARS where can I go to vent"? Because here you are. Also,let me go to the game and chant something and see if it comes true."Pay my rent "or something like that. Only in Chicago do we actually think that if we chant hard enough it will happen. Forget prayer,let's chant. I'm sure if Dusty Baker read these blogs he'd say;" leave my name out of it.I wish I was winning." But if winning wasn't enough he would've been fired anyway. You guys are something else. Give Rex a little chance. He got back from a three game road trip and you guys attacked him right off the bat.Didn't show him no love. I expected him to fail after that. The man has no tangents. We don't know if weather is his thing.If noise is his thing or if defenses are his thing . We're just throwing out variables and saying what we think. Maybe loud obnoxious drunk fans is his kryptonite. We have a lot of that here. Maybe being on the road will get him back in gear. In the nice warm climate. Maybe he'll surprise you guys and you'll be like Emily Latella from Saturday night live and say after these rants "NEVER MIND". We have absolutely NOTHING TO LOSE with him starting the NEXT game. If Griese is a solid veteran and he has the respect of his players he'll be ready if needed. If we lose and every one else in the NFC win we'll still be ahead with games against inferior NFC talent to play against. Now, I'm not completely sold on Rex but it's easier to let him start without all the hostility that you guy are exhibiting. I don't see why people Bit-h and complain so much when they know that they hate when people bit-h and complain to them. Have you ever had a friend call and start to complain about his wife or girlfriend? Once he says "guess what she did" you find an excuse to get off the phone because you don't want to hear it. But I guess if my name was rinandstympy4life I'd do more complaining and letter writing to get someone fired. Do you guys do that at the Taco Bell and the JC Penney? Now I see why so many people can't keep jobs. You all get bugs up your butt and get them fired. Get a life ,man. I know it wasn't exactly 371 posts. Some of you guys pushed send too many times. I guess it's more like 325 but,WOW, that is a lot. Just like roaches. When I turn my lights on I wonder where did they come from. Keep the faith. GO BEARS!!!
I think it's great that we have so many die-hard fans. I love Chicagoans but it makes me sick sometimes that we don't listen to people who know better. I read these blogs and a guy will make a great point and I'll say that's it all of it in a nut-shell. End of story . And another guy will come out and make such an asinine comment and it grow legs. You guys are so hard-headed. We have the greatest theorists and some of the most pointless people in our city. But I love you guys. You change with the weather. But please leave Dusty Baker out of your comparisons to Lovie. You're gonna make his comments right about you. I'm not gonna comment on what those comments are but please think before you talk. I know it's hard but give it a chance. Just once. You can do it. Are you doing it? Good. Don't you feel better now? Hold on to that feeling!! That Said,GO BEARS!!
Bears are 10 - 2.
Bears are Division Champs (2nd straight year)
Bears coach, Lovie Smith, that accomplished that says Rex is QB
Works for me.
BTW, IMO- Rex Grossman plays "on the edge". Guys that do that are fabulous when "on", and horrific when "off". Let Grossman settle in at the position and he'll be fine.
GO BEARS!
Stay with REX. He has the ability. Greise hasn't done anything to prove he is the go to guy. But Lovie should have put Griese in last week when the Bears were up 21-6 and let him get the rust off and have game time experience
He is not a kid,been playing football for 20 years. (Griese)
Griese.Forget trying to develop Rex, we need to win now and shut up all the Bear haters.
see what greise can do ,I said stay with rex before minn. but after that showing we need to look further
Lovie wakkke Uppppppp
Grossman reminds me of a Brittany Spears song (Oppps I did it again).He has become timid and scared.You can see it in his eyes.Hes been saying I'm going to look at the film and fix it.BAA HUM BUG
Leave Grossman in there! I'll be the first to admit that he had a horrible game last week. Many times I see fault in the offensive line but not last week. However, if Griese is the answer why isn't he the answer for other teams. Why hasn't he been the answer lately in the NFL. He doesn't have it. Grossman is still playing as a rookie quarterback. One problem with Chicago sports fans is they want rookies to save the world. We learn by making mistakes. Let's stay confident as a city and give Grossman the support he needs to suceed rather than bury him. He's obviously pressing to impress the city. Let's relax take the pressure off of him and let him know we're in his corner. He had no pressure from the city at the beginning of the season and he performed well. Another thing that hurt his performance was the Vikings run defense. They've got a strong front and killed our running game. I stick with the kid!
play rex it's in a dome. there was a comment near the top that i agree with saying that lovie should save griese for if rex stinks in the playoffs.
with that said lovie's comments lead me to believe that rex is on a short leash
I say stick with Rex. Such short memeories you yank him for Griese people have. He has played exceptionally well in 6 games and they are 10 and 2 with him as the starter, unlike Griese who went 6 and 10 his first year with Denver. If Griese is so good why did Shannahan dump him for Jake Plummer, shy did he leave Miami and why did Gruden dump him in Tampa Bay for Chris Simms. If they pull Rex now he will never be the same. He is a good QB. You need to stop whining and look at where the Bears are right now. Lets give our QB the chance to prove himself we all saw how good he played at the beginning of the year. I believe he can do it again.
Better play calling would really help Rex as well. They started out the Vikings game right, giving him short passes to build up his confidence, mixing in a bunch of runs, doing the rollouts to get him out of the pocket. After that, the play calling got really inconsistent, and Rex got downfield-happy again.
Look, as long as the Bears keep winning, keep Rex in....why? B/c he is still a 'rookie' QB that needs the reps. And as long as our Bears keep winning, we are not in jeopardy of losing homefield during the playoffs. Yeah, yeah, I can hear some of you yelling that our D deserves equal respect by giving them [our D] a QB that gives them time off the field. I really can’t argue with that. But, it just seems to me that if the management really and truly believe that Rex is the franchise QB they’ve been after all these years, then he needs to be groomed and the only way you get that is by giving him reps. HOWEVER, having said that, I’d replace Rex if homefield advantage is in jeopoardy b/c of a loss DUE TO HIS POOR performance.
After reading all the posts on should Rex Start or not, I think I speak from an advantage since I've lived in Florida for the past 20 years and have seen Brian Griese play week in and week out on local TV. Believe me when I say this but what you are feeling right now about Grossman is Exactly what Buc's fans were thinking about Griese. I think that the proper perspective is to look at this like a baseball game. Pitchers don't always go out with thier best stuff, but do come away with wins. Ask Greg Maddux, Mark Prior, etc. The point being now is the time to work out the kinks while other teams are pouring on the blitzes and pressuring him so when the playoffs come around you have some kind of sceme to counter the "book" they have on Grossman. Lovie is right, we need to be patient and work through this. When Rex finds his mojo again, all this will be a distant memory.
Rex is the Quarterback and it is time for the suntimes & all of it's reporter's to understand that they are not the Head Coach of the Chicago Bear's & shut up. the end.
Stick with Grossman since we are 10 and 2 and just clinched the divisions he deserves to go out there ande shouw us that it was just the bacd weather on sunday, although it will not be an excuse for the playoffs because anything goes. I believe that we should have grossman at least finish off the season and see what he really is made of then make the adjustments as needed, if we have to play Brian or even Kyle to win we must take it into consideration. As long as it gets us to the SuperBowl... GO Bears!!
I had Griese on my fantasy football team years and years ago when he was in Denver. Believe me, you don't want to play him in fantasy football or in real life. Sitting Grossman down for a couple of games is not the way to get him his reps. Also, I've never heard anyone mention McMahon in the same group as Favre, Manning, Elway. But the Bears won a Superbowl with McMahon, a great running game, and a devastating defense. Sound familiar?
The bigger question regards the Bears' future, which Griese has no part in no matter how you twist it. Lovie is smarter than many coaches and most of the folks that have opined here. Rex has proven capable of being the best Bears QB since Wade or Luckman (MacMahon had charisma and confidence, but wasn't all that terrific), and capable of the worst play by an NFL QB. The latter is far easier than the former. And luck, my dimwitted friends, had nothing to do with his first 5 games. Rex is truly a Bears QB because he's proven himself a "head case". Now he has to learn to control his mental game and Lovie knows best that the only way to do it is to work through it. Superbowls for years to come trumps a quick win with Griese.
I have seen just as much anger in this blog at Lovie, Turner and Angelo as there is at Rex. I guess we should fire them before the playoffs too. Quick, everyone in the blog start sending in your resumes to Hallas Hall so the Bears can find coaching replacements!!!
Yeah, Griese would be a better choice at this time, they could make the playoffs with him. Oh, Yeah, they already did that. But, they ain't winning a superbowl with a GAME MANAGER!
SIT REX DOWN FOR A GAME OR TWO, TO GET HIS HEAD SCREWED ON STRAIGHT, AND TO CORRECT HIS MECHANICS. IF GRIESE DOES WELL, LET HIM START UNTIL GAME FIFTEEN, THEN GO BACK TO GROSSMAN. AT THE END OF THE REGULAR SEASON EVALUATE BOTH QBS AND PICK ONE AND STAY WITH HIM THROUGHOUT THE PLAYOFFS.If we want to win,we must do this.
Sit Rex out a game and let him watch it from the sidelines
Is the goal to win the Super Bowl THIS YEAR?
If so, Smith is clearly not correct in blindly sticking with Grossman.
Of course, he can change his mind with another bad performance by Rex in a loss on national TV but if he doesn't give Griese significant PT over the last 4 games, he is both arrogant AND stupid.
Pro sports these days are all about quick-fix, win now mentality. Why then, for Christ sake, are we waiting for Grossman to improve? Griese is a proven winner- a seasoned veteran. We don't need Mr. Big Play, Deep Ball, Touchdown on every pass Grossman. We need someone to just take care of the ball and move the chains. Let the defense and special teams do the rest. Grossman can't even do that. He throws terrible balls when he isn't even being pressured- balls behind the receiver, out of bounds, into the 3rd row, over their heads, I mean, he's brutal. Get Griese the reps he needs NOW while we're resting against this cake 4 game schedule. This could be decision that could make or break Lovie Smith's career in Chicago.
Grossman has been inconsistent in too many games. Its time to give Griese a shot. He DEFINITELY could'nt do any worse!
i think we should stick wit rex were 10-2 in the season if we trade QB now we might not have a chance. i've been looking in the website i found my friends blog i don't agreee with him. i have been seeing how many people have voting on what people want rex grossman/brian griese the score is rex wit 95,brian wit 65. so keep voting rex rules brian stinks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Griese proved he can move the football during the preseason. He is a proven, experienced NFL quarterback.
Bottom line: who would you rather have start in the playoffs? Gunslinger Rex or Brian "Mr. Consistant" Griese. To me its a no brainer. We can't chance that Bad Rex shows up against a quality team in the playoffs. Get Griese some snaps now so he's ready for the playoff run. Hell, Trent Dilfer won a Super Bowl for the Raves when theor D was insane. We need the same kind of performance to go all the way.
has anyone stopped to think maybe it's not Grossman but instead the plays called for him? true a QB should be able to read a defense and change a call at the line but Rex is still basically a rookie. give him a game plan that exploits his capabilities and increase his confidence and decision making not one that invites bad decisions. complain all you want about Rex but let's not overlook the fact that he does not call the plays and 5 and 10 yard passes still get you down field and also eat up the clock keeping the best defense in the league fresh and ready to do thier devestation to the opposing offense. instead of calling for Rex's head look at the offensive co-ordinator!
We are winning games, stick with Rex until we are behind in a game and then bring in Greise. R. Turner's play calling is pathetic and has alot to do with Rex's 1.3 rating. Passing on 3rd and 2? Passing late in the 4th when we need to run down the clock? Passing on 1st down? Ron Turner is the main problem, he sucked at U of I and he sucks here.
What if Rex is benched and Griese starts and he does bad? What then? I am sick and tired of the Bears QB musical chairs! I think the first 5 weeks show that Rex needs to work out the kinks and they'll be fine. The problem with us Bears fans is that we panic too much. They're 10-2 and we act like they're 2-10.
The way Rex has been playing, we need to try Griese for a while. Rex has not been playing smart. We can't expect the defense to win every game for us.
In some ways, Grossman has been hurt by the dumbing down of Ron Turner’s offense, just as Orton was a year ago. That only makes a QB unsure of himself and throws a hint of doubt into his decision-making under pressure...It's the play calling...Rex is fine!
10-2, end of story.
Start Griese...He will struggle which is a good thing, as long as the Defence keeps the game in control. Rex will watch the game form the sideline until Griese needs to be bailed out....at the right time send Rex in to save the game...a few passes to D.Clark to warm him up and I'll bet he puts points on the board - regaining his self confidence and back on the road to the QB he was at the beginning of the year.
There is a reason you guys are sports writers and not football coaches. Weren't you the same idiots that said the Bears would't win more than 6 games last year and no more than 8 this year? You are almost as good at your job as Rex has been at his. Let's start a Blog to replace all of you.
You can't find the winning chemistry if you don't try different formulas. GIVE GRIESE A TRY !!!!
My main problem with the situation is simply, why not play Greise for series or two during a game when Gross-man 's rating 1.3 . Put Gross-man [gross could mean UGLY] back in and if no improvement: bench his sorry behind. Just one question, Why is everybody so down on ORTON?
Hey Dale, under your theory ORTON should be the QB. He was 8-2 or something like that last year, wasn't he? I liked Grossman when he was draftted, but I'm losing faith rapidly. If this were the CUBS i'd say bring back an old-timer like SID LUCKMAN
UGLY-MAN OR GREISE? GIVE ME JUICE WILLIAMS.
They have the division, what happens if Rex goes down??? You have a person who has played, but if Rex gets hurt? Then what? We should have will start coming out! Start the G man for maybe one game
Yea i just want to say that I think rex is a great quarterback, we've seen what he can do, and we know what Griese can do. We need to stop making so much news about this controversy because it is just hurting rex' play. He needs to settle down and play his game like earlier in the year. Griese is not the answer. Grossman needs to keep playing to get better, and i know if they dont overload him with info he can. Our offensive numbers are far better than last year, we just need to run the ball. But I'll be the one telling you i told you so when Rex is the hero of Chicago again, when they win it all. DA BEARS
Yea i just want to say that I think rex is a great quarterback, we've seen what he can do, and we know what Griese can do. We need to stop making so much news about this controversy because it is just hurting rex' play. He needs to settle down and play his game like earlier in the year. Griese is not the answer. Grossman needs to keep playing to get better, and i know if they dont overload him with info he can. Our offensive numbers are far better than last year, we just need to run the ball. But I'll be the one telling you i told you so when Rex is the hero of Chicago again, when they win it all. DA BEARS
Stick with Rex. It's early enough to give him more time to right the ship. He's earned that much and when he's on, provides the best chance to win. Worst case, throw in Griese against Detroit and Green Bay.
Brian Griese? Really?
THIS is part of why the Bears haven't had a "franchise QB" in, well, eons.
The fans get too impatient at the first sign of trouble, and ever eager to pander, the Bears brass dumps their young guy for a new young guy or a re-tread or other spare part.
Rex gave us a taste of what he can do. He really hasn't had the time to develop mentally and face NFL adversity. He is paying his dues now.
Think about Troy Aikman...26 games in as an NFL starter he had completed about 55% of his passes and had 20 TDs to 36 INTs. In his first 2 seasons in Green Bay, Brett Favre had 37 TDs and 37 INTs. Elway? 52% completions, 25 TDs, 29 INTs.
Rex? 20 games in, 54% completions, 22 TDs, 23 INTs.
Let the D and the Benson/Jones duo win the last four games. Let Rex figure it out. I bet he does.
Grossman Sucks!!! We want a Change!!! Grossman has demonstrated his ability to quarter, and if it wasn't for our vicious defense, we wouldn't be division champs. We are not asking to keep Griese but give him a chance. Well.. and let time tell..
We're lucky the Bears can afford some Grossman clunkers right now because there HAS to be some in the kids first full season. Get 'em out of the way and there's plenty of time to get back in stride before the playoffs. He needs to play through it. We've seen what he can do in the right situations. Turner needs a better West coast game plan and Rex needs to find his rhythm in it. Come on, last week there were two 3rd and shorts and they called a pass on both of them and both failed. Maintaining momentum is important to rhythm and consistancy and that starts with play calling.
The thing you have to keep in mind is, Rex was shaky in the preseason, then "turned on" during the early regular season. 1) Did anything think he was really "working on things"? 2) That there's an "on" switch that'll be turned on?
Way I look at it, play him, and this can help defeat this "Rex is our QB no matter what" thing, that permeates from at least Angelo, and upwards...
Griese!! We need somebody to take the Bears to victory!
Put Greise in lets see what he gots, REX ain't worth squat!
Rex Grossman should remain Starting QB. Fans can be fickle but the only way to build a winning team and a winning player for that matter is live game experience. I'd love Rex to be error free but few QB's are. Let him play. Remember a guy named Jim Harbaugh, he had some bad games as a Bear QB too but we let him go and flourish elsewhere. Let's not run our best shot at a franchise type QB out of town after what amounts to his first real extended playing time. Also remember this guy has lined up under center now for 12 straight games.
Stick With Rex!
At the 49er game leading 41-0, they put in Griese for the second Half. What Happened? We were outscored 10-0 in second half. Griese could not move the ball. We will be 14-2 and I for one look forward to seeing the Cowgirls get their asses kicked right here in Chi-Town. The Shark and his D prevail!!!!!!!
KEEP GROSSMAN IN A COUPLE MORE GAMES. TECHNICALLY, THIS IS HIS FIRST FULL SEASON. EVERY ROOKIE HAS THEIR UPS & DOWNS. HE'LL SHAKE IT OFF AND GET BACK TO WHERE HE WAS AT THE BEGININNG OF THE SEASON. ALSO, FANS SHOULD SHOW MORE SUPPORT FOR HIM AT THE GAMES INSTEAD OF BOOING ALL THE TIME. THAT DOESN'T HELP EITHER.
For the love of all that is good and holy, give Griese a go! He can't be any worse, can he? You can always put Rex back in if he is (perish the thought).
I love it when people who have never played a down of competitive football become experts. The bears are 10-2 and although he is making mistakes he is our QB. He has been making bad decisions and his mechanics are fine. He is looking off the FS and not throwing off his back foot unless there is pressure. Bears fans should be happy, but instead they are showing their ignorance. Maybe if the Sox had won another WS all of the moronic fans who are screaming for Rexs head would be in a drunken stuper of euphoria. Leave him in...and when we win the super bowl dont hop back on the bandwagon! stay on the Southside and root for the Cards!
You guys are suppose to report the news, not coach the Bears. To be fair, there needs to be someone looking over you shoulders 24/7 letting everyone know every time you mess up. Leave Grossman alone, if he has a confidence problem, it's because of your newspaper.
Those of you who have ripped on Griese and said he is a career back-up and average at best dont know one thing about Griese. Your too far up Grossman's ass to know anything but what you want to believe.
As a rookie, Griese was a member of the Super Bowl champion Broncos, though he primarily watched from the sidelines. Elway retired after that season, and Griese then became a starting quarterback, earning a place in the 2000 Pro Bowl, the same year his QB rating of 102.9 earned the NFL QB rating title. (That was HIS first year, BTW Gross man fans)
Griese's performance declined after injuries and he was cut (see why he left Denver - Hmmm I am sure Denver would have cut Grossman after the 3rd year of injury) but later signed to the Miami Dolphins and then to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. His stint with the Dolphins, where his father Bob Griese was a legend, was brief. Griese was given the starting job when the Dolphins starting quarterback Jay Fiedler got injured. Griese had an excellent start as a Dolphin, passing for 3 touchdowns and 0 interceptions in a blowout victory against San Diego. But he was less impressive in later games due to lack of pass protection by a weak offensive line and was benched for the less capable but more mobile Jay Fiedler.
He was able to perform well for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, and provided a catalyst for the jumpstart of the Tampa offense. Griese helped them to their only victories in 2004 with a 97.5 QB rating and to a 5-1 record in 2005 before succumbing to a torn ACL. Griese was cut by the Buccaneers in 2006 after his injury to his knee in order to free up money for the salary cap. On March 21st, 2006, he signed a five year contract with the Chicago Bears.
He Ranks 14th in NFL history with a career passer rating of 84.8, compiled by completing 1,463-of-2,318 passes for 16,344 yards, 103 TDs and 78 INTs. His career totals in passing yards, pass attempts and completions are more than any QB in Bears history (Thats right Grossman fans - ANY Bears QB, oldest team in the NFL). Owns 16 career 300-yard performances, 33 multiple TD pass outings and 16 games of compiling a completion percentage of over 70%. Recorded superb totals during two seasons with Tampa Bay - the two years before coming here Grossman fans- (2004-05), registering a passer rating of 91.4 while completing 67.6-percent of his passes for 3,768 yards, 27 TDs and 19 INTs.
So, lets all shut up about the Brian Griese is a back-up crap because with that logic, Sid Luckman should be backing up Rex Grossman. You people are a bunch of jokers! Free your head from your asses now and breath in victory. Does not surprise me that people in chicago dont know what a good QB looks like.
Later!
If Rex performs the same way during the next two games, then I would say we have to go with Griese the rest of the way. I know players go through slumps, but this is getting rediculous. People are saying the defenses are making adjustments to Rex,..but when will Rex make adjustments to the Defenses. I say,"Griese in Two, if Rex keeps playing like Poo". Go Bears!
Ummm, I think Brian Griese should start. Thats all I got to say.
Sincerly,
Rex Grossman
People keep saying to keep Rex because he's a "rookie" and he's just going through a slump, and we should if it was 2002, but we have a SuperBowl defense, and we can't let it go to waste for some QB project. Right now we need someone who can take care of the ball, and that guy is Griese
Note to all Lovie haters:
You are MORONS! Whether he decides to stick with Rex is not JUST his decision. Hello, I think a guy named Ron "my offensive scheme sucks" Turner may have something to say about the starting QB as well.
Additionally, what the heck are the Bears doing throwing the ball as many times as they rush the ball. That's right! The Bears, pass the ball as many times per game as they rush. THAT'S NOT BEAR FOOTBALL!
No my friends, the blame lies at the feet of Turner and Rex, but mostly at the feet of Turner. Don't get me wrong, Turner is much improved over Shoop, but not much.
Finally, get off Rex he is really a QB with 1 1/2 years playing experience.
Go Bears!
As far as I'm concerned a TRUE Bears fan like myself, or Chicago sports fan needs to learn what the word Appreciation means. Where's the appreciation for a TEAM (including Bad decision-making Rexy) that's currently 10-2, Divisional winners and sits atop in the NFC... Every Sunday I'm screaming for the BEARS to run, run, run the darn ball. Give CED the ball and block as he's trying to punish defenders. That being said I'm calling out the Coaches mainly aloof Turner but in the End - passive Lovie to take this Gift of a team and use it to the Maximus become Gladitors of the MidWest (Monster were of the past, time to move on...) If we go into games running the ball with Cedric and Thomas, throwing to the tight-ends and backs in the flat and keeping our good core of receivers in the back ground waiting for the chance for a give and go route once teams start pressing - this whole City would be better off. Demand that your starting QB controls the game or we might just lose the Big One. It's time for the Coaches to take the next step and LEAD this TEAM to the Big Dance. Defence and ST can't do it alone. The buck stops at the top and the Coaches needs to QB this team and not Mr. Rexy. Give the rook some time and play him like he should with a leash!
Potential doesn't win the Super Bowl. Granted that the Bears are in the Playoffs but we all know how easily that can slip away. I think by pulling Rex's plug after the first interception of a game can certainly stop the bleeding and possibly wake him up. It's kind of like a puppy that keeps peeing on the carpet. If you don't remove the dog and put it out immediately after the offense, they're not going to learn where to go. Honestly, it's for his own good and should caulked up as a lesson learned.
Grossman should sit till the playoffs and let him get his mechanics together. Griese should start so Grossman should watch a veteran you are doing good at 10-2 but Griese should start thank you.
Keep Grossman give the guy a chance to pull it together. All the kids in my school agree.
Brian needs to start in the mf games.# 14 is raw!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! GO BEARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This is Lovies team. But someone else needs to coach if Lovie dont put in # 14. We gonna go all the way if we put # 14 in more!
If anyone recalls, it wasn't Rex who cost the Bears the playoff game last year. It was the defense getting shredded by Steve Smith. So before anyone says Rex can't win in the playoffs, just remember that the defense needs to show up as well.
I choose Rex Grossman beacause I like the way he plays the game. P. S. GRIESE SUCKS!
What is lovie seeing that we don't? Grossman will never be a top QB no matter how many seasons they give him .What a way to wreck a team,Rex's is a selfish player,he's more worried about the long bomb and not puting the team first ( doing the little things )also what has he done to EARN the starter position? Hey lovie guess what rex dose not give the team the best chance to win!You would be better off bringing Steve Fuller back than having Gross-Man,wake up lovie!Another one and out,what a shame.
the first half of the season rex was not that bad.lately he has been screwing up.now i am not goin to say that rex grossman is a bad player, but i will say because of him the the bears have no offense. the WRs are not getting the stats they deserve. i say lovie is a good coach, but right now he is making a terrible decision keeping rex in. i say since rex is not doing his job, i say take him out and give brian a shot.i say give him a chance to shine. rex had his turn and he messed it up. now its a griese shot. if rex stays in the rest of season the bears will not win the superbowl.
I give gross man 1 more half. If no success after 2 quarters against Rams, there will be no success, ever.
Walt
Definitely Grossman! He is our guy and he needs to play himself out of this slump. Plus the O-line needs to step it up, too. Also, maybe Des Clark should have caught some of those balls last week, ya think? Please do not blame the entire inept offense on one guy. When the offense was doing well, Rex certainly did not take all the credit. Nor should he take all the blame. He will get better -- he's a great potential! Look at Favre's 2nd year...18 TDs and 24 Int. P. Manning 1998 1st year with the colts 26 TDs and 28 Int. Rex is 18 and 17 right now. Seems like the great ones struggle early, don't they? Get off his back and just enjoy the winning season! Go Rex! Go Bears!
Let Griese come in when Rex is having a bad day. That is what a back-up is suppose to do
Okay, you morons that think Griese is so great. Here are his overall stats for his career. He has 103 TDs and 78 Int. Pretty average if you ask me. He's a good BACKUP but right now we don't need a backup. If Rex gets hurt, God forbid, then it's time to play Brian. End of subject. Let Lovie coach all you wannabes!
Apparently Lovie Smith has a case of memory loss i.e.the Bears defense has won all the games thus far and their two loses were the result of defensive breakdowns. We need a viable offense and will not get it with Rex Grossman. I could Quarterback the Bears and have the same results as "Rex the Hex".
Choose Brian because it seems like the good idea right now for the bears.Brian is a better QB than Rex because Brain doesn't throw 18 turnovers.Besides it seems like Rex is doing dumb choices . Rex is holding back the bears of winning games.
Smith is underpaid for a reason he has not proven anything, yet. I think Angelo has more to do with who plays and who doesn't than Smith. Rex is his boy and will play as long as Angelo says so. You CANNOT wait until the second half of a playoff game to make the switch as somebody in a previous post had stated. You can't put Griese in at that point with no "warm up" games and excpect him to "save the day" The switch needs to be made soon. I am for giving Grossman the first half of the ram game to show something if he still is not getting the job done then the switch should be made at that point. This should be his last chance as the playoffs are getting close and we need to wrap up home field advantage.
Is Grossman really what the Bears have waited and hoped for over the last three injury plagued seasons? If so, time to rethink the game plan and put in our winning quarterback and stop this disasterous display!
If the Bears want to win their first playoff game since 1991 Griese needs to play and NOW!
I have never been on the Rex bandwagon, he was a punk at Florida and he is still a punk today! Get ready to hold the clipboard buddy...
Griese:
It's now or never. He 's gonna need to get some 'reps'in before the playoffs start.
Griese:
It's now or never. He 's gonna need to get some 'reps'in before the playoffs start.
i like grossman as the bears QB but it seem like when the bears really need the offense he never show up i agree with lovie the bears are winners with grossman ( i understand it being a team game and sport) but how many games did the bears win with the help of the defense and the offense never show up all that said i still favor grossman as the bears QB
GROSSMAN - get on the BENCH
Grossman, but I agree with those who say pull him at halftime if he isn't getting it done...His performance early in the year, plus his ability to
throw deep and stretch defenses, has me willing to give him one more shot...But one more game like last week and it's time to put Griese in.
Stay with Rex. Be careful what you wish for. if you get Griese, just remember this...the coverage will come in tighter, there will be many dink and dunks, and 4 yard passes on third and 5. Oh yes, the occasional INT. Trust me, Rex is the deal. Just be patient. Griese has shown he is a career back-up.
Rex has star potential...He's the best choice at QB. When is the last time we've see a quarter back that can throw for more than 200 yds? Go Rex....Go Lovie....Go Bears!!!!!!!!!!!!!
while we bears fans debate on which QB should start, Cowboy fans are alread talking Superbowl. Check this out from a Cowboy fan blog;Forgive me. I just don’t buy into the theory that the Chicago Bears will waltz through the NFC Playoffs, even if they lock up homefield advantage as expected.
Unless you’re the ’85 Bears or the ’00 Ravens, history shows you typically have to exhibit some sort of offensive and defensive balance to reach the Super Bowl. One can argue this year’s club is the reincarnation of the “Monsters of the Midway�. But the way Rex Grossman is playing, I don’t think they’re guaranteed a spot in Miami. He’s just too inconsistent, and at some point, he’s going to cost them another game. Their defense can’t be a surrogate offense week in, week out.
So where does that leave the Cowboys? We might find out in Chicago sometime in January, who knows. The Cowboys look like they’ve got enough talent, depth and balance to compete with anyone in the conference, anywhere. They still have some tough games ahead, but a wild-card berth at the very least looks probable.
Then we might see what happens against ‘Da Bears...
It's funny they are already looking ahead for a matchup against us.
most of you fools need to learn how to spell before calling anyone dumb. keep grossman, I am thinking just like lovie is, long term, imagine the unthinkable the bears being knocked out in the playoffs with Griese at QB then were back to step one again next years, but this time with a QB that has shattered confidence and we all know that Greise is not the answere and did I forget to tell you how young and inexperienced Rex is. Keep T-Rex despite his performance lately, hey think back to when Rex replaced Orton, do you want to go back there again? if yes vote for Greise.
Go Bears
from AZ
Rex is his own wost enemy right now.
Start Griese and put the kid on clipboard duty before he plays himself out of the league.
He has already become a national Joke as a QB on a high profile team and I listen to all of the sports media from overseas!
If Lovie truly cares about the kid he should sit him and allow him the opportunity to come in in a gunslinger save the day kind of game, if one should occur (via the Kyle Orton situation)
He is playing against ghost right now and he will not win knowing the next time they lose....all that he has lived to become will be comming to an end.
I'm a Cowboys fan, but I feel for the kid.
Have a heart Lovie and shoot the horse.
Grossman has proven that he cannot quarterback on a consisitent basis in the NFL. The Bears will not win a single game in the play-offs with T- (terrible) Rex at the helm. Bobby Douglass looked like a hall-of-famer compared to T-Rex.
Start with Grossman. NO MATTER IF HE IS GOOD OR BAD, play Griese in the second half. FOR 2 REASONS!
first rest Grossman and don't get him hurt playing a full game. Second, Griese needs to get kinks out in a REAL game. Let him have the second half. What if we stay with Grossman and he gets hurt? This way you have two QB's ready to play.
It is very obvious Grossman is not the Bears future, and probably was not a wise pick. Just compare him to Lienart stats of AZ...and AZ has absolutely nothing in regards to an offense or defense. He makes Grossman look like a high school QB.
The press conference after the last game said it all..Rex has no clue what he is doing in the NFL. I vote for Griese.
I would start Greise. Maybe that might light a fire under Rex's arse and get him to develop a slight smidgen of patience and a tad bit of common sense. LOL! We need a QB that won't lose game for us back there.
Play Greise. Grossman is too small and floats all his deep passes.
Leave Rex Grossman In. All the People that are calling for him to be pulled were singing his praises earlier in the season. Give the guy some time; he has only played in what 18 or 19 games his whole NFL Career. Grossman will find his pro bowl form like he had at the beginning of the season. Just put your trust in him and things will surely turn around. Coach Smith would not stay with Grossman if he didn’t have the certainty that things will turn around. Go Grossman and Go Bears!!!
I think that Rex peaked early, the defenses were not quite ready for his quick release.
He just has to discipline himself.....have Rex carry a footbal with him wherever he goes, just a a reminder that he must protect the ball at all times.
Yeh, I'd like to see him with his dinner ball at the table.
L.R.
It's time for Griese to take over and for the Bears to put Grossman into a 'development program."
Lovie Smith keeps insulting Bears fans' intelligence when he deadpans into the camera that the Bears are 10-2 with Grossman I would like to hear him say that his team is 10-2 BECAUSE of Rex Grossman. I think they're 10-2 DESPITE Grossman.
I have been a Bear fan for longer than most of you have been alive. I am sure Rex Grossman appreciates your kind words and all of the support that you are giving him. I hope that you are all perfect in your lives and never have to ask anyone to go to bat for you. Where are the "real" Bear fans?
We're here Marvin. I've been a fan for over 40 years. What do you think the Bears should do?
Lovie is doing the right thing by staying with Rex.
Griese has won a Championship in college and was a quarterback in the Pro Bowl. He's not really old and last season before getting hurt was a league leader (again). Rex Grossman hasn't achieved anything remotely close. There shouldn't be a debate.
The Bears will ride Grossman right into a 1 and done playoff LOSS. I hope I'm wrong but I doubt it.
Relax everyone. Greise will get a chance to start...when the Bears have secured homefield advantage for the playoffs! Go Rex! Go BEARS!!!!
How can anyone have watched this season unfold and possibly say Rex should start. First of all, I have Tivo'd all the games and watched and analyzed them. Rex has had 4 decent games this year and in those games he was indeed fortunate not have at least 8-9 picks that were very risky throws or just plain dropped by DB's and LB's. Secondly, he is just to erratic, too short, rarely makes the correct read and just flat out is not what this team needs. Griese, however is a proven performer ,who minimizes mistakes. When he first came up with Denver he was a special player. He had some off field problems(drinking) which sidetracked his career and almost-if it weren't for his NCAA Championship and pedigree(Dad), he would be out of the league. That said, he is healthy and ready to lead this Bear team to the SB. With Rex, the Bears will get throttled by a playoff caliber defense. They need to go with Griese and run Benson and TJ all the way to Miami.
I haven't seen quarterback play like Rex put up in the first 5 games in my 30 years as a Bears fan. I have to believe Rex's "upside" is higher than that of Greise. That being said, I NEED TO SEE THE "FIRST FIVE GAME REX" IN THE FIRST HALF OF THE RAMS GAME. If not, it's time to get Greise ready for the play-offs. The Bears cannot squander this Super Bowl opportunity for the development of the "Quarterback of the Future."
The future is now! Anything less than a Super Bowl birth (in my mind) is a complete failure.
The bar is high!
GO BEARS!
Why is this all about Rex Grossman? The Bears' offensive line could certainly stand to improve its pass blocking. Meantime, there's so little upside to benching the QB you'd like to build around and resorting to a quick-fix journeyman you've hired as strictly an insurance policy. Above and beyond all of this, the numbskulls at Soldier Field simply have to stop booing whenever Grossman stubs his toe. As a lifelong Bears fan, that's a far great embarrassment than anything Rex has done.
LEAVE REX GROSSMAN IN HE HAS TALENT ENOUGH TO WIN IT ALL.BRIAN GRIESE HAS SHOWN NOTING.
Griese - unless Grossman can prove on Monday night that he can protect the football, check-down to underneath routes, stop throwing off his back foot, and throwing up-for-grabs college-style deep balls, he should be pulled. It's an indoor game against the Rams. No more excuses. This is the Bears' best chance of winning the Superbowl. Put Griese in, use Benson more and watch us win it all.
Everybody is talking about Griese as if he's a 31 yr old BOB Griese sitting on the bench.(unbeaten season, 3? Super Bowl wins for the Dolphins in the early 70s)
Unfortunately we don't have him. We have his son, Brian, who's had an up-and-down career. He'd be another experiment.
As a guy who usually likes the working guys over the million-dollar babies, like Steve Walsh and that guy that passed for the second-most yards in Bears history against the Vikes one day, Jim Miller, but had to "wait and see how practice went that week". What a joke that was, the second-most passing yards ever and they weren't sure he was their best quarterback for the next week.
Anyway, as little faith as I have in Grossman, I like to see the defense outscore the offense and I like those long bombs when Berrian is healthy, so I say stick with him.
Don't jump ship. Leave Grossman in. With the Bears No.1 defense, their very successful running duo, a favorable end-of-year schedule and a lot of parity in the NFC, the Bears are in a unique sweet spot to at least get to the NFC championship game. Leaving Grossman in enables him to develop for long term success with the Bears and the Bears need a long term solution to their year-after-year quarterback problem. Leaving Grossman in also enables him to overcome his judgement deficiencies. Should he be successful in overcoming these problems, I'll be heading back to Chi-Town to watch the Bears / Patriots 1985 Superbowl rematch.