The veteran fisheries biologist for the Forest Preserve District of Cook County also explains the whys and wheres and hows of doing that sort of nature photography, down to the basics of his camera.

He also gives one of the great images heard on Outside so far when he describes what it looks like when a bird eats a dragonfly on the wing.

Speaking of images, he brought along some wonderful photographs to the WKCC recording studio. I may have to scan a few.

Phillips, also an avid birder, touches on some the changes in birds around the area, especially the big changes during his quarter century for the forest preserve district.

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