This is the second appearance by the executive director of Stillman Nature Center in the last three weeks.

We delve into many forms of the fear of the outdoors and some possible cures.

There is the overreaction to West Nile Virus and ticks, and much more.

We have two different perspectives because he does not have kids and is an educator, while I have kids with various levels of interest in the outdoors.

"Outside" airs from 4:30-5 p.m. Mondays on WKCC-FM (91.1) in Kankakee. Rebroadcasts of the show are at 12:30 p.m. on Sundays.

Laurel Soper, the web tech and digital media person for KCC, has put together the podcast system here.

Otherwise, click here for online listening options.

The Facebook page for "Outside with Dale Bowman" is at http://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/Outside-with-Dale-Bowman/241327739268720