Reporting with Natasha Korecki and Dave McKinney
Rod Blagojevich is contending he used the word 'tangible' often to describe benefits he might get for citizens.
"I use the word tangible a lot when it comes to good stuff for people, government stuff, getting good stuff for people," Blagojevich tells his lawyer Aaron Goldstein.
Blagojevich is contending he always intended to appoint Illinois Attorney General Lisa Madigan to the Senate seat in exchange for getting her father, House Speaker Michael Madigan, to pass a legislative package.
He was just using Jesse Jackson Jr. as "negative leverage" to get pols in Washington to back him up on the 'Madigan deal,' Blagojevich said. Besides, Jackson was a double-crosser Blagojevich never intended on appointing, Blagojevich said.
He also said he never asked Jackson for any funds.
"Everybody knows he never raises money for anybody," Blagojevich testified.
With Blagojevich once more defending himself, many jurors have started taking notes again. Another yawns.
The defense is wasting no time is racking up objections from the prosecution, nearly all of which Judge James Zagel has sustained so far.