Reporting with Natasha Korecki

Defense attorney Sheldon Sorosky asks Glynn if there was "some legitimate basis for Mr. Blagojevich to say what he said about these men?" The prosecution objects and Zagel sustains.

Glynn agrees Rod called them BS-ers because they didn't contribute what they should.

"There's nothing wrong about that, is there?" Sorosky asks, prompting another objection.

Sorosky points to a time when Blagojevich refused to call Jerry Reinsdorf, saying that's an indication that the ex-governor didn't get involved in fund-raising.

"No, he just didn't like to make calls," Glynn says with a bit of bitterness.

Sorosky jokingly suggests it was because Rod was a Cubs fan and Reinsdorf owned the White Sox.

"I don't know the reason," Glynn says calmly.

When Glynn gets off the stand, she looks a bit relieved. She whispers to someone with her, "That's Deb Mell," as Patti Blagojevich's sister walks out of the courtroom.

Glynn then notes aloud she was going to see "Pat" on the 4th floor of the courthouse. Her lawyer said she wouldn't be commenting when she left.