Now, Blagojevich and Harris are talking about a position with a foundation supported by organized labor -- the Change to Win Federation. Harris is heard explaining to Blago that it would give him a good salary and could provide potential to go back into politics later, if he wanted.

Furthermore, Tom Balanoff and Andy Stern, the union leaders advocating for Barack Obama's pick for the Senate, could hook him up with the job, he said.

Harris said the job would probably have to wait until the end of his governor's term, though. He was worried about Blagojevich stepping down to take a job in the private sector.

Blago proposed a solution -- Patti could run the Illinois branch of Change to Win, and after his term is over, he could take over the national branch.

"Would that be too stupid?" Blago asks.