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Bears place franchise tag on Matt Forte

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The Bears announced Friday evening that they've placed the franchise tag on Pro Bowl running back Matt Forte.

The deadline to make the move was Monday afternoon.

Forte's agent, Adisa Bakari, issued a statement.

"It is not a surprise at all," Bakari said. "Matt's a phenomenal running back, whether as a ball carrier or receiver. There are few players who share his skill set."

New Bears general manager Phil Emery also offered a glowing statement of Forte.

"Matt is an important part of our football team and we chose to utilize the franchise tag to ensure he remains a Bear," Emery said. "We believe in Matt as a player and a person. Our intention is to continue to work to find common ground and keep Matt as a member of the Chicago Bears in 2012 and beyond."

The franchise tag for a running back is worth $7.7 million, more than a $7 million raise for Forte from what he made in 2011. But, Forte and Bakari have been pushing for a long-term deal, which would provide him long-term security and provide him more guaranteed money.

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He got a 7 million dollar raise and he is not happy. Only in Pro sports. "Hey here is 7 million dollars for one year." "How dare you? Good day sir! I said good day sir!"

Emery is short handed on the pro player side, he is going to have to comeback to Forte after taking care of some of the other FA's on the Bears, and shopping for players in free agency. Boy that just sounds wrong saying your shopping for people. Anyone got any better suggestions on how to phrase that?

The more you spend on Forte the less you have for the rest of the team. I don't think he will get that 8-10 million a year he is looking for, but we will see. Averaging 4.33 rushing TD's a year for the last three years does not scream 7-10 million a year to me. I know maybe he could bounce the contract outside for a big gain.

Hey there, Creighton. Good to see you as always haha. I've gotta say, my God did you do a number on Kevin Armstead for liking Omiyale and Gearhead for (still) hating on Peppers in the previous posts. I almost feel bad for them after such a public flogging; almost.

So, Matt Forte...I understand the Bears want to be cautious with a back like that who's had so much mileage on him, but personally even if he starts to slow down I think he should be rewarded for his admirable past use and abuse. There were seasons where Matt Forte WAS the offense, one on eleven it seemed, like in '08. He'd run the ball with the backups rarely spelling him, he'd catch the ball because the receivers were useless...and he'd always act very professional about doing his job while giving it his best. Plus, he's had crap offensive lines blocking for him his entire pro-career and he still gets his yards.

One more thing, Matt could have easily held out for a bigger contract in the offseason but instead he suited up and played. I think that type of attitude should be applauded and taken into consideration also.

Happy Saturday All,
If 7 Million Dollars Does Not Grant One "Long Term Security"?.. Then Please Open The Locker Room Door, For Him To SCRAM!! Now I'll Agree, He Has Done More Than Most 'Professional' Players Would Have In This Situation, But What He Has Not Done (Creighton's Stats Of 4 Touchdowns Per Season) Screams Much Louder To Me. I've Enjoyed His Special Talents On Our Team, But I Do Truly Believe The Offensive Game Plan Has Much More To Do With That, Than Matt Forte' Himself. (Let Us Not Forget How Many '1st & Goals' We Have Watched Disappear Into Heart Breaking Losses?)

Bottom Line Is, This Team Is Poorly Coached And Any 'Blessing' That HC Hands Out To An Individual Player??.. Only Makes Me Distrust That Player's Abilities, Even More.

BEAR DOWN!

If I were the Bears, I would work on a long term deal until March 12th, and then put a hold on it until after the draft. The bottom line is this is a very thin team, and we have been skating by with substandard talent at WR, OL, DL, CB, TE, and S for several years. We need a lot of help, and the $7.7 mil for one year, while a big number, is not that bad. If we have $28 mil like is being talked about, we can go after at least one big free agent with the remaining $20+, and still bring in some depth and re-sign some of our own free agents.

After the draft, you go back with the room you have left, and try to work out a deal, making sure you don't handcuff yourself to his contract and leave no room to bring in guys for injury replacements. Forte has the most leverage he will ever have, but it still isn't a lot comparatively. The Bears can leave the tag on him, and he really has no other option but holding out, and that hurts Forte more than the Bears financially. On the field, it kills us not having him, but if we can get a couple of receivers, and an improved OL, we can get by with Kahlil Bell or Barber for a few weeks. if Forte doesn't report by week 10, he loses a season of service, so he will eventually show up.

Shelf life on a running back is not terribly long, and Forte has a lot of touches so far in his career, like Eddie George level touches...Eddie went downhill in a hurry too, but he was more physical than Forte. Which brings up the other side of this. We had to give Marion Barber $2.5 mil per year to get us a 3rd and 1 conversion. If I were the Bears, I would use that as leverage too to keep Forte out of the premier back conversation. That is the one weak spot in his game. He can't run low enough behind his pads to get the tough yard when we need it. Now Chris Johnson isn't that guy either, but he managed a 2,000 yard season with no passing game to speak of, and Kerry Collins and Vince Young playing QB. Good OL though.

Should be an interesting discussion as we go along. We were asked whether we should consider signing Mike Wallace to a deal, and giving up our first rounder. Do you think a team like Cleveland or Cincy (2 1st round picks, and not much in the way of running backs) would be interested in making a play for Forte? Would Andy Dalton or Colt McCoy look a lot better with Forte behind them? Probably. If Cleveland doesn't want to mortgage as much as the Skins for RG3, why not take Blackmon at 4 and trade for Forte with the 22nd pick, and then look at Foles, Tannenhill, Cousins, or others for the QB spot in round 2 or later? Makes their offense a lot better than if they were to draft RG3 and have to wait until the third round to do anything else. Ced Benson is a free agent, so Cincy will be interested in getting a back early. Instead of Lamar Miller earlier than he should go, why not give up the 17 or 21 for Forte?

Not saying the Bears should bite on any offers, but since there is discussion about going after restricted free agents and giving up a pick and a big contract, so why wouldn't teams inquire about franchise players? No one is getting 2 1sts any more for these guys, so there is a market value established for them. I have to admit, I am more excited about this offseason than I thought I would be, mainly because we finally have someone other than Angelo calling the shots. I am anxious to see how Emery's plan comes together.

I would have liked to see the Bears lock Forte up to a long term deal, but at least they have him for another season. All the Bears are really doing is denying the inevitable, if Forte comes in next season and is again one of the leagues top 3 rushers (like he was when he was healthy) and has 50 plus catches, they're gonna have to pay him.

Awww, is poor Creighton still mad because Forte made the Pro-Bowl and he (Crapton) didn't like him coming out, he wanted Mendenhal?? Ha ha!!

Oh and Mike, you keep bringing up Gearhead for hating on Peppers, but you seem to forget Creighton didn't think Peppers was a good fit in Lovies defense back when Peppers was a free agent. Here we are 2 Pro-Bowls later in Chicago?? I think he's a good fit. Oh and Mike, I like how you worry about everyone elses opinion, but you don't seem to ever have one of your own, unless of course Creighton proclaims something, then its all right, you guys remind me of ol Pinky & the Brain. GO BEARS!!

Isn't anyone else devastated by the departure of our Pro Bowl HOF tackle Frank Omiyale?!! I wrote a masterful elegy on it, but Mark Potash still hasn't posted it yet. What is up with that dude? Earth to Mark. Earth to Mark. Wake up and release some of your blog comments, dude.

So I am Crap-ton again? Hmmmm, well lets just look into that.

Oh wait here is a post from last week from Sean saying I am not him. Thanks genius.

http://blogs.suntimes.com/bears/2012/02/johnny_knox_on_pace_to_return_.html

Ummm I don't see anyplace I sounded mad in my post, could you point it out. I just don't think he is worth 7-10 million a year. I don't think Williams is worth his contract either. It's just the position, Kevin get over it. He does not score enough and he has problems in short yardage, he has also gotten taken down from behind on to many big plays. A nice player but he is just not worth the money, it looks like the Bears agree. You favorite GM of all time also agreed. Jerry offered him a 30 million dollar contract. Thoughts?

As for Mendenhall? I still like him. Over the last 3 years he averages over a 1000 yards per season, close to 10 rushing td's a year, more that twice what Forte has done, and solid 4.2 average, and he can run between the tackles which is nice. Oh and I forgot a Super Bowl ring. Forte does have almost twice as many funbles the last three years. So that's good to know.

You find me a post where I said I don't like Julius Peppers, yes I said I don't think he would fit the system, and honestly he is not a perfect fit for it. But he is making the most of it. I don't see how saying a guy "may not be the best fir for a system is a big deal." Explain how it is please. I can do this all day with you Kevin you basically named almost every player the Bears every drafted or signed as being the greatest ever.

Remember Kevin you asked for thoughts. I gave you my thoughts. Don't get mad when you don't like them. That's on you man. It's not like you don't know me on this site, or how I am. You try really hard to be a clever smart ###, your not good at it, your crazy enough to ask for my opinion when you know what's going to happen and then you get mad when it happens.

Anyone reading your post can tell your frustrated. Dude just let it go. Why do you keep wanting to fight with me. You want to debate a point that is fine but you get so upset about stuff. Believe I could be a lot worse, I treat you with kit gloves for the most part. I mean look your mad cause I defended Peppers who you like. What's up with that? No offense I did a better job of it than you evere could

Your trying to make fun of Mendenhall, why? His rushing numbers are almost identical to Forte's the last three years except he scores more and fumbles less. Oh no not that. Now you could blame the O-Line but you said the O-Line was great, and you could blame Martz, but you said Martz was great. Good luck figuring it out.

What 7 million is not a reward? They are trying to get him a deal, but he wants a lot. Letting the players dictate the contract is never a good idea. It's should be a comprimise. Forte has also threatened to sit if tagged, I am not a big fan of that. I think someplace between what Wiliiams got and the intial offer of around 30 million is more than fare. Williams got over payed. When you start over paying players you cripple your cap.

I am not saying don't pay the guy, I am saying don't over pay the guy, that's all. I am just pointing out that it's just not worth it. I think the Bears could find another back to get them 4 td's a year and maybe one that did not consistantly have to bounce everything outside. They take Forte off the field in short yardage. They take him off the field on the goal line.

Hey did you read what Kevin said to you?

"Oh and Mike, I like how you worry about everyone elses opinion, but you don't seem to ever have one of your own, unless of course Creighton proclaims something, then its all right, you guys remind me of ol Pinky & the Brain. GO BEARS!!"

You thik one day Kevin will realize he is the guy worried about everyone's opinion, and that he is dying to find someone who will agree with him. When do you think he will realize that you disagreed with me in your post? I swear Mike he makes things up in his head.

By the way Pinky and the Brain? I always thought we were more like the Goodfeathers. Hey I think Kevin is Cooing at us, he you Cooing at me Kevin? You cooing at me. Kevin if we are Pinky and the Brain does that make you Snowball the evil Hamster? God that was good show.

I sweart Kevin you just always have to try and be the center of attention. Okay everyone stop having a nice normal conversation about football, it's upsetting Kevin. Lets all just nod our heads and agree with him before he starts crying. Here your mommy just posted this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DgbUBoxa48&feature=related

Now I know two reasons why I will never name a child Kevin.

Before I gow Kevin I want to say thanks for refering to me all be it on a subconscious level as a genius. The Brain was a genius after all. That's why he was called the Brain. "One is a genius" That's the line from the show. I am so inside your head at this point.

Kevin go back to focusing on the draft, these little tantrums of yours never work out well for you. Now I need to go do something more intresting than talk to you. I gotta clip my dogs nails and clean there ears.

Now you just got a bunch of attention from your favorite Blog genius who you worship, so your weekend is off to a great start make the most of it. Tell you what, i'll give you a project. Do a Bears mock draft, doesn't that sound exciting? Yeah mock draft time, or as I like to call it "Kevin going ot the land of make believe." Your a little crazy Kevin but you have a wondferful imagination. If your a good boy I will let you clean out the dog run. Wait my nephew got a C on his last Bio exam. "Oh Aaron, uncle Creighton has a treat for you, grab a plastic bag."

Well The Pinky and the Brain was a good show so I'll take that as a compliment, Kevin. But I gotta agree with Creighton that maybe Goodfeathers is a better comparison. For example, you would be Squit.

Now, putting Steven Spielberg directed 90s cartoons on hold for a sec, Kevin you said Creighton wasn't crazy about Peppers being a Bear. While that may be true or not, he is a fan of #90 now after seeing what he can do while Gears for Brains still hates on him for some reason. Big difference.

Also to say I agree with him on everything is a bit of a stretch. For instance, here I'm disagreeing with him on Forte's payday; I'm actually agreeing with you. And during the 2010 season we battled back and forth on how good that season's team really was. Also if I remember correctly, you on the other hand were writing love poems about Todd Collins around that time.

Anyway, I'll admit my feelings on the Forte contract aren't based on making good business decisions, but rather fairness. I think you would have seen Bears fans rioting in Soldier Field like they do in foreign countries after soccer (futbol!) games if Forte didn't carry the ten other players on offense with his talent and professionalism. I understand $7 mill a year is a nice figure, but compared to the other star players I think he should get at least a four year contract with more money and long term security. Think about his accomplishments: he makes lines with the likes of Frank Omiyale, Chris Williams and Roberto Garza look good sometimes. He is a special player.

Well, just my two cents. Narf!

Smart move by the Bears. One good season, two mediocre ones, six great games, four mediocre ones, and then a season ending injury does not add up to a blockbuster contract. The popular thing to do would be to give him a big contract because he's been such a good guy, but that's not how real organizations operate. Check out the Steelers, getting rid of two of their long-time stars, because they've lost a step and are too expensive. Cold hearted? Maybe, but that's one reason why the Steelers are always relevant.

Maybe this is a sign of things to come and the Bears will start acting like a grown up team.

Forte is a long term risk. He has been over used and will soon slow down. Tag him next year and let him go.

WHAT A DISASTER!

With this signing the Bears GM Emery is already a failure, but since he seems to be a puppet of Lovie Smith's, this is just more failure from the Smith regime.

If Bears ownership wants to test for themselves that this is just another blunder, they need to try and trade Matt Forte and see what other teams will offer. Sean Jensen wrote before that Forte might be worth a 2nd round pick.

$7.7 million for a guy worth a 2nd round pick?

I don't think the Bears will find ANYONE willing to trade for Matt Forte because nobody is going to want to pay him $7.7 million! Forte is worth $3.5-$4.5 millon a year at best! And I STILL wouldn't pay him that because we can get the same if not better production from Barber, Bell, Unga and Clutts. And for the same or less money of $4.5 mil for 4 players.

When the Bears find out nobody will trade for Forte unless the Bears eat half the cost of the contract, then they will know Forte's true worth and the mistake they have made.

The right thing to do would have been to let Forte test the Free Market to see what the NFL wants to pay for a guy who can't run up the middle, make short yardage or score touchdowns.

Lovie Smith and the Bears haven't a clue on how to run an offense. He and Anglelo wasted 2 years of Cutler's career while getting him hurt, because they hired Mike Martz. The only thing we learned about the O-line was that they couldn't run a Martz offense.

Cutler forcing the Bears to hire Jeremy Bates was fantastic. Eventually, I expect the Bears to fire Smith and make Mike Tice the new head coach and Bates the OC. But I think Cowher or maybe Brian Billick would be better as HC.

If you don't want to fire Lovie, just make him the DC. You can trade head coaches to other teams for draft picks and players, but who would want Lovie? Anything you can get would be great. He should have been gone years ago.

Jeremy Bates is going to install Mike Shanahan's Denver offense here and Mike Tice is going to go along with that. According to Dan Pompei, Tice is thinking along the lines of what Joe Gibbs did with the Washington Redskins.

The thing the Mike Shanahan offense is known for is using many different AVERAGE RB's and getting 1,000 yards of production from them a season.

THERE IS ABSOULTELY NO REASON TO PAY BIG MONEY TO A RB UNDER THE SYSTEM THE BEARS ARE GOING TO RUN! NO REASON!

What was more important last year when Cutler went down was not Matt Forte, it was your backup QB! Forte got hurt and the other RB's easily replaced him. But your backup QB was terrible and the season was a bust. Getting a really good backup QB may not come cheap. We could have spent some of that $7.7 million on a good backup instead, but now we can't.

We could have spent some of that money on a new O-lineman like Carl Nicks or instead of signing one free agent WR, how about 2? But now you're stuck with Forte instead, making it harder to win.


There is a Free Agent QB on the market right now I think, who knows how to run a Shanahan offense. His name is Rex Grossman. He took a team to the Superbowl once. The Bears should look into him.

Since we need tall WR's and they take 3 years to develop once you draft them, I think we need to go the Free Agent route if we want to win the Superbowl before this defense gets too old.

But not just that. We need to trade for Brandon Marshall no matter what. Marshall will automatically be the best WR the Bears ever had the minute he puts on the uniform. Cutler already has a perfect chemistry with him. Cutler said Marshall is unlike any WR he's worked with, that Marshall will change his routes on his own once he sees what the defense is going to do.

Maybe we give Roy Williams another shot opposite Marshall since he was hurt last year and will come cheap. Randy Moss? T.Owens? Ochocinco? Plaxico Buress?

And forget the fad of non-blocking TE's in the NFL for this team. Our TE's will need to block not catch most of the time. We will pass 60% and run 40% according to the way Bates runs things. Bates will try to build around the talent we have, but we don't have much.

It's time for Bears to start spending the majority of cash on the offense now after wasting so much money and high picks on defense with poor results. We've got the best QB the Bears have ever had. It'd be a shame to waste him.

I don't get it. What the heck is a meme? Wait never mind I don't care, I don't twitter, I don't Facebook, I meme and I don't tap dance.

I don't understand the whole Get real/Creighton thing either. Your post makes no sense.

Wait did some guy just pretend to be someone named get real, then forget to post under his own name and accuse me of being get real. Are you a freakin tard? You tried to write a post as me pretending to be someone else, and then tried to accuse me of doing this, but forgot to change your name from "get real" to something else. You idiot.

Well Mike that is true he did help make the line look better at times. You will never see so many missed blocks as you will on a Bears run play. It's amazing how often you see Bears O-Linmen laying on the ground grabbing at peoples feet. But Forte was offered a long term deal and he said no. I am guessing he has said no more than once.

You do realize Kevin hears things in his head. I forgot about that Collins thing, who was that other QB they drafted? They had him for like a month before they cut him? Remember Kevin was saying the Bears would get a first round pick for him after they developed him a little? Got it, Laflavor of the month Dan LaFavor. Oh man did he love him. He had him replacing Cutler and everything.

He also had that defensive end he really liked and would not listen to reason about. Guy was on the practice squad for awhile. Short and not veyr athletic. Anyway I 'll be here all day if have list the all the busts he has loved.

Personally, I think seven million or so would provide me with a good deal of "long term security."I sometimes wonder if pro athletes are actually living in the same world as the rest of us. Even if seven million comes down to four or so after taxes, I think I could make do without too much belt-tightening. Forte is a great player and deserves a long-term contract, but if he is going to pout and complain about seven million, he should perhaps be reminded that there are a lot of good young running backs, who can catch a ball thrown by the likes of Jay Cutler, who would be delighted to be drafted.

OVERPAYING FOR THE RB POSITION IS GETTING POPULAR!

Marshawn Lynch, the 12th pick of the 2007 draft for Buffalo, seems to have gotten a 4 year contract for $31 million with $18 mil guaranteed from the Seahawks. He was acquired for a 4th and 5th pick. He is a few months younger than Forte and had 1,200 yards and 12 TD's this year.

Here's the immediate reaction from Buffalo fan Ryan on the yahoo message board of the story:

" This is a terrible signing. You can find about 30-40 RBs that if you give them 250+ carries will break the century mark. There is nothing special about last season for Marshawn other than he finally got to carry the ball over 250 times. He still only averaged 4.2 a carry and his longest run was under 30. He's a durable, reliable RB, but he's not worthy of nearly 8 million a season!!!! He has terrible hands out of the backfield, isn't that good of a blocker, so essentially the Seahawks have set the standard that if you are a mediocre RB, you get a fat paycheck?

This is exactly why this team hasn't been relevant for a very long time. It took my team getting rid of him, and bringing in a new GM to realize you dont' build your team from the skill positions. Fantasy geeks love skill positions, but you win football games on the line of O and D. This is just 7.75 mil a year that they can't put into an offensive line. "

Seattle can afford to overpay people, seeing as they have the richest owner in the NFL in Microsoft's Paul Allen. But they may feel he's worth it because he was a high number 1draft pick and played behind a very poor, injured O-line and still did well.

And I don' t really trust Seattle's HC Pete Carroll's judgement as he is quick to make massive changes to his roster and a lot of people think he gave up on Jeremy Bates too soon.

But get this, they say Lynch goes into "Beast mode" because unlike Forte, he CAN run up the middle, move the pile, break tackles and SCORE! What he did against the Saints in the playoffs was a thing of beauty. He is a BEAST. A word that does not come to mind when you think of Matt Forte.

But Ryan from Buffalo is right. It's just plain football stupid to overpay the position and especially on a player like Forte with his limited abilities.

The Bears can't afford to keep wasting money like this when it's so badly needed at other positions.

Can the Bears rescind the offer before Forte signs it yet? Oh, how I wish it were so!
Unless there is actually a team that will make a trade for him. And with all the crazy things teams are doing nowadays, who knows? But you can't trust the Bears to do the right thing.

Lovie Smith and his handpicked GM don't seem to have a clue, and maybe even Tice doesn't even realize, that under the Shanahan Offense that Bates and Cutler are installing, you don't NEED a big money superstar RB (which Forte is not, but he'll get paid like one) they can take nobodies off the street, plug them in and get at least 1,000 yards!

Cutler and Bates must take it for granted that Emery, Smith,and Tice know this about this new Offense. Obviously, there is a SERIOUS lack of communication going on.

But with all the blunders this team keeps making is it any surprise?

I told you all a long time ago that the Bears needed to be told what to do and last year Jerry Angelo came right out and said it straight to the sports media in some statements like, "If you have ideas, tell us what to do!" In his frustration he actually admitted it! They can't see the forest for the trees.

If it weren't for Jay Cutler and the NFL being of such poor quality, the Bears would be going 4-12, 6-10 every year. And the house cleaning that still needs to be done would have been done already by now.

Kyle Orton was not going to take you to the promised land.

Oh, and here's another kick in the head! Because the Shanahan Offense can take average low paid RB's and get a thousand yards, Forte (being average enough) will get his 1,000. But the Bears will be tricked into thinking it was because Forte is so good. The Bears won't give anybody else a chance unless Forte gets hurt or holds out. So, not understanding that it was the scheme that was the reason for the success and not the player, the Bears will foolishly pay $8-10 million to Forte, when they could be paying Bell $1 mil !

Even under the Martz offense, Barber and Bell and others did very well when Forte got hurt.

I just saw a mock draft showing RB Trent Richardson going at the 16th pick. I would rather go all out and do what it takes to draft the man called the "next Adrian Peterson" , who IS a BEAST, IF we MUST have a star RB than overpay a non-star RB $8-10 million.

At least THEN we'd have some good old fashioned SMASHMOUTH FOOTBALL to watch.

And Forte ain't gonna be smashing nothin' for sure!

Except the Bears budget!

GO BEARS!



Mikey,

I see you still have the hots for me...and trust me...I can see why, but I am STILL not interested. I also see you are still a suck up. {"oh Creighton, will you sign my yearbook...yayy...he said yesss" Boy, we know who your Danny Zuko is} As I have publicly stated many times. If you, Creighton, or anyone else believes 8 sacks, several games where his stat line was as empty as your mind, and even former Super Bowl winning QB's are wondering where he was for certain games, qualifies as success, I want none of you running my company. Too many games {Redskins, Dallas, and Seattle are 3 that come to mind right away} where Peppers is harder to find than your girlfriend. Granted, last season was better, but still, for the money they dished out, 19 sacks in 36 games really doesn't cut it.

Here's another brilliant statement by Mike to Kevin: {BTW, thanks, dude for making defend Kevin}

"And during the 2010 season we battled back and forth on how good that season's team really was." Really, Mike?...and might I ask, which side of that argument were you on? If i remember correctly, It was I who pointed out repeatedly that the 2010 was an illusion. 7 or 8 games against 2nd or 3rd string QB's, winless teams, and teams whose players had given up on the team. You were accusing me of being a packer fan Mikey and his revisionist history. Next thing you will tell us is that you really like that internet thing and texting is the bomb and you knew it would be all along.

Let us know Mikey when you have an original thought. Until then wear some more chapstick, keep sucking up on here, and dont forget to bring up all the empty 2 liters and pizza boxes from the basement.

What your saying 19 sacks in 36 games does not cut it for you. For the rest of the nfl they are pretty happy. Any coach in football will tell you it's not all about sacks. Now you brought up Mario Williams, not me, you wanted Williams, those werer your words. Well his numbers are not better than Peppers and he will cost you as much or more than Peppers.

If you problem is nfl players are over paid, you need to get over that. They are and that's the nfl. Free Agents also always get big money and that's way it is.

Now the way I see it you have entrenched yourself in an argument. Before Peppers came here, you took a stance on him and you don't want to back down from it. You use Mario Wiliams as an example of what you want in a player, even though Peppers is the better player? The numbers are there, there is no argument. 8 sacks bothers you?

Reggie White was the best defensive end I have ever seen in my life, he had 8 or fewer sacks 3 times in his career, Jared Allen two times in his career, LT had fewer than 9 sacks 5 times in his career, Bruce Smith had fewer than 9 sacks 6 times, Dent 3 times, Michael Strahan 8 times, Chris Doleman 6 times.

The basis for your argument is he had 8 sacks last year and didn't get a sack in every game? Well then I guess every player I just listed sucks too. The guy has played great for tha Bears and you are one of the very few poeple that thinks otherwise. I don't need his numbers to tell me he has been great, I watch him play. I have no problem with the job he has done, I have no clue why you do, because none of your arguments hold up.

What is with the hate? What I do notice is your looking at the the stat lines to see how he performed in a game. I look at the games, then I use the stats to back up what my eye already told me. You going to have a game where a player does not show up at the nfl.com stat line, but that does not mean he did not have a good game.

That's all I am gonna say about this subject, your entrenched in your view, no point in arguing anymore.

I got a question, when did me and Mike ever get to the point where he agrees with me on everything? I remember the conversations I have with people on this site, as sad as that may be, I still remember them, just like Kevin remembers most of the conversations he has in his own head. With me and Mike it's about 60-40. We agree on Angelo but so do many fans, we disagree on Lovie Smith. We agree about Kevin but so do you Gearhead and might I point out you are running with a long standing Kevin rant about me and Mike. You really think that is the best answer? You know Mike thinks I am a funny guy sometimes and far be it for me to argue with that kind of brilliant insight. I think Mike is funny.

But I don't see the whole agrement thing. I disagree with a lot of people and it's not an argument. Dahli hates Cutler and I don't but it's not a fight, me and Joe don't agree on everything and again it's not a fight. Same for Paul and many others. I am not fighting with you Gearhead, we just disagree on something and it's not a fight. Not everyting has to be an argument. But I am not a big fan of people making stuff up about someting that has not happened and when it involves me, that makes it personal. I don't like people telling me what my relationships are with anyone, that's for me and that other person to decide and that's it.

Don't tell me my relationshiip with Mike, Sean, Dahli, Joe, Paul or anyone else on this board again. I don;t make many things personal, but nobody and I mean nobody will dictate who I talk to or how I relate to them. Kevin acts like an idiot when he says things like that Gearhead, do you want to jump into that hot mess? How me and Mike get along is not your damn buisness. I don't tell you how to relate with Mike or Kevin or anyone else. Me and Mike have a long standing disagreement with Kevin that dates back to before you ever posted on this site and that is our buisness.

When I disagree with Mike I don't drag you into it, when I disagree with Kevin I don't drag you into it. You telling Mike he kisses my @@@ is an insult to Mike and myself, that suggests I create an enviroment for people around me like that, which I do not and I think I would know.

Look clearly you can say what ever you want it's a free world, but don't think when you get me involved I am not going to say something about it. You want to fight with Mike? You fight with Mike he can take care of himself, that's your problem with him. You want to fight with Kevin, that's your damn buisness. But you want to use me to insult Mike or anyone else, then we got a problem. We all have relationships on this board good or bad doesn't matter, we have them.

I come here to talk about football and have a few kicks, that's it. I have more than my fare share of morons to deal with already, I don't want another one, so don't be one. You and Mike want to go at? That is your buisness, why don't you keep it that way. You want to talk football I am always around. I am actually kind annoyed with the whole lets get Creighton involved with are fight thing, or lets start a fight with Creighton thing, or lets pretend to be Creighton and say sick thing like " I wish Knox had died."

You think mike was sucking up to me when he wrote this? "Hey there, Creighton. Good to see you as always haha. I've gotta say, my God did you do a number on Kevin Armstead for liking Omiyale and Gearhead for (still) hating on Peppers in the previous posts. I almost feel bad for them after such a public flogging; almost."

Was that the actual result of him saying that? You think I am sitting here going wow he really sucked up to me? Or am I sitting here going? "wow he easily baited them into getting upset, they should both know better" He got the result he wanted, did you?

No you came up with he is a suckup and I am some kind of user who has minions following him around. Little bit of insight into me, I hate suckups.

I got a question, when did me and Mike ever get to the point where he agrees with me on everything? I remember the conversations I have with people on this site, as sad as that may be, I still remember them, just like Kevin remembers most of the conversations he has in his own head. With me and Mike it's about 60-40. We agree on Angelo but so do many fans, we disagree on Lovie Smith. We agree about Kevin but so do you Gearhead and might I point out you are running with a long standing Kevin rant about me and Mike. You really think that is the best answer? You know Mike thinks I am a funny guy sometimes and far be it for me to argue with that kind of brilliant insight. I think Mike is funny.

But I don't see the whole agrement thing. I disagree with a lot of people and it's not an argument. Dahli hates Cutler and I don't but it's not a fight, me and Joe don't agree on everything and again it's not a fight. Same for Paul and many others. I am not fighting with you Gearhead, we just disagree on something and it's not a fight. Not everyting has to be an argument. But I am not a big fan of people making stuff up about someting that has not happened and when it involves me, that makes it personal. I don't like people telling me what my relationships are with anyone, that's for me and that other person to decide and that's it.

Don't tell me my relationshiip with Mike, Sean, Dahli, Joe, Paul or anyone else on this board again. I don;t make many things personal, but nobody and I mean nobody will dictate who I talk to or how I relate to them. Kevin acts like an idiot when he says things like that Gearhead, do you want to jump into that hot mess? How me and Mike get along is not your damn buisness. I don't tell you how to relate with Mike or Kevin or anyone else. Me and Mike have a long standing disagreement with Kevin that dates back to before you ever posted on this site and that is our buisness.

When I disagree with Mike I don't drag you into it, when I disagree with Kevin I don't drag you into it. You telling Mike he kisses my @@@ is an insult to Mike and myself, that suggests I create an enviroment for people around me like that, which I do not and I think I would know.

Look clearly you can say what ever you want it's a free world, but don't think when you get me involved I am not going to say something about it. You want to fight with Mike? You fight with Mike he can take care of himself, that's your problem with him. You want to fight with Kevin, that's your damn buisness. But you want to use me to insult Mike or anyone else, then we got a problem. We all have relationships on this board good or bad doesn't matter, we have them.

I come here to talk about football and have a few kicks, that's it. I have more than my fare share of morons to deal with already, I don't want another one, so don't be one. You and Mike want to go at? That is your buisness, why don't you keep it that way. You want to talk football I am always around. I am actually kind annoyed with the whole lets get Creighton involved with are fight thing, or lets start a fight with Creighton thing, or lets pretend to be Creighton and say sick thing like " I wish Knox had died."

You think mike was sucking up to me when he wrote this? "Hey there, Creighton. Good to see you as always haha. I've gotta say, my God did you do a number on Kevin Armstead for liking Omiyale and Gearhead for (still) hating on Peppers in the previous posts. I almost feel bad for them after such a public flogging; almost."

Was that the actual result of him saying that? You think I am sitting here going wow he really sucked up to me? Or am I sitting here going? "wow he easily baited them into getting upset, they should both know better" He got the result he wanted, did you?

No you came up with he is a suckup and I am some kind of user who has minions following him around. Little bit of insight into me, I hate suckups.

It wasn't an insult aimed at you, but I call them as I see them. You may not encourage mikey as a minion, but thats basically how it is. As for my argument, If you read, I don't base my argument only off of sacks. BUT when the stat line is empty for several games out of 16, that to me is a problem. If he had 2 or 3 tackles for loss or something like that when he had no sacks that would be fine.

Since you brought him up, take Jared Allen for instance. Peppers has never as a Bear, dominated the way Allen has. Granted he plays on artificial turf vs grass, but that doesn't account for 33 sacks in 2 years vs 19. And since you brought him up, he hasn't had one of those 8 sack years since signing the big contract with the Vikings. And when is the last time, Peppers had a series like Allen had against the Bears last year where seemingly every play he was in the backfield. Its not a question of players getting paid too much. That is all relative. The market dictates the salaries. It has always been a question of getting the best value for the money and how much performance you get vs. the dollars spent.

As for it being personal. It always has been between Mike and I. That's his deal. I didn't start it, but whether behind a computer screen or in life, I won't ever back down. You and I have never had anything personal, just good banter that I enjoy. I don't make up fake names to blast someone. What are we?? In 10th grade?

Hopefully the Bears have a plane ticket for Jackson and Nicks. A less expensive move at G might be Ben Grubbs. Anyway, have a great night.

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