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Bears project four to six players they like in 29th spot

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After numerous meetings, Bears scouts were dismissed to take a break and head back home.

With the draft a week away, the Bears plan for the NFL Draft is largely in place.

"For the most part, we feel pretty good about our preparation and where we stand going into this draft," Bears general manager Jerry Angelo said.

Team player personnel director Tim Ruskell said there are four to six players, based on grades, that could be available with the 29th overall pick.

Asked if his team would trade down, Angelo said, "If there are enough players on our board, and it makes sense, then it's something we could consider seriously.

"We're always going to be flexible. Trading down is easier to do."

Meanwhile, Angelo said they are open to four positions with that top pick, although he later expanded his answer to six. My guess is, those top four positions are offensive tackle, defensive tackle, linebacker and cornerback.

But Angelo warned that the odds of hitting a "home run" aren't as high, given that they're at the end of the first round.

Still, his goals are the same as always.

"We want to come out of this with four starters. That's our goal every year," he said.

Angelo said the draft is deep at defensive tackle, and Marvin Austin of North Carolina is a player some draft analysts have projected to wind up with the Bears. But Austin has been dogged with questions about his character.

Angelo said head coach Lovie Smith and defensive line coach Rod Marinelli visited with him and that other team representatives also helped in doing due diligence on the player.

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On addressing Austins character concerns and other player character concerns I believe Angelo said we are not looking for guys with Halo's.

I found his comment on offensive line the most intresting when he said offensive linemen don't glitter. That bothers me a little and I know Jerry has always felt that way about the O-Line but it still bothers me that he is still saying it after what happened last year and the year before and the year before.

I have a list of guys they are probably looking at in the 29th spot and if they are gone they will trade down.

Wilkerson
Austin
Aaron Williams
Camron Heyward
Sherrod
Solder

I believe those are the 6 guys they believe they have a shot at and are willing to take at that pick. Although I am on the fence about Williams. If someone better falls of course they will go after that player but this is who I think will be there. I think Angelo believes he can convert guys who should be 5 techs into under tackles. If they don't work there he can use them a swing man or as a big ends to rotate with Peppers and Izzy.

In the case of Williams and Hayward I think it is more than likely they would use them as trade bait.

I don't know who ranks higher on their board out of those six but my guess would have Wilkerson and Austin at the top followed by Sherrod and Solder.

OK, so the Bears mostly likely will take someone on defense. That's their MO. No one will be surprised if that happens.
Everyone says they'll take a tackle at No. 1, but I'm not so sure. After the Chris Williams miss, and now under Tice's tutelage, I think they feel they can develop a lineman or two from the later rounds (like Webb).
Here's what I've been feeling. Maybe this year, with Mike Martz going into his second year, they take an offensive playmaker at 29 -- if one is available. Especially a running back, a guy like Mikel Leshoure, or Mark Ingram if he falls that far, or even Daniel Thomas.
Somebody who can make a difference. A back that's a great pass catcher, too.
I wouldn't be surprised.

They won't take a RB in 1st round....they have a RB that is a great pass catcher in Forte. No doubt OL is need #1.

Chicago would probably like to come out of this draft with a young talented player to man the three technique, especially now that the Tommie Harris experiment is over. It wouldn't surprise me if the Bears take Marvin Austin at #29, the fact Lovie Smith and Rod Marinelli went down and had a visit with him really make you think Austin is gonna be their guy. The character issues do raise a red flag, so the Bears really need to do their homework on Austin. But, if Austin does have his head on straight, he could set Chicago's defense over the top. Austin has that elite burst off the snap required to make Chicago's defense work. The key to Chicago's defense is up front, Julius Peppers proved that, Peppers came in and took the Bears defense from being rated in the middle of the league to a top 5 unit. The better play up front, the better this defense is.

I see Henery Melton being the Bears new three technique, Melton coming on this season was probably a big reason Tommis Harris got the axe. Also, Angelo said this draft is deep with DT's, their might be someone late they like at DT?

As far as offensive tackles, I like Nate Solder the 6-8 tackle out of Colorado, but he is rising up many draft boards, Solder probably won't be there at #29 for the Bears to pick. There is a chance Wisconsin's Gabe Carimi could slip to #29, he'd be a nice addition. But once them first couple tackles go off the board, teams start nabbing up every other tackle available, especially if their is a lot of teams with a need for tackles, which there is. Hopefully either Solder or Carimi slip, would be nice, but unlikely.

I'd love for Colorado cornerback Jimmy Smith to slip to #29, Smith has the size, 6-2, Chicago needs at corner to play some of the bigger receivers they face like a Calvin Johnson up here in the NFC north. Smith is also very good at knocking receivers off their routes. My favorite player is Penn States Stefen Wisniewski, the c/g would be a great addition and much needed young center prospect to bring in and replace the aging Olin Kreutz at center. Chicago needs to nab him in the second GO BEARS!!

Good stuff, Guys, Although Creighton I'm not sure if 'Wilkerson-Temple really fits what our needs are inside, from what I hear he's more of a 3-4 nose guy than 4-3 tackle.

I would like to see them address the interior of the o-line in round 2, if we go defense in round 1, as far as corner is concerned I don't see us addressing that spot until the third round unless we trade down and get multiple 2nd rounders where there will be great value at corner. Whoever we get in round 1, must contrbute this season.We can't afford a redshirt year with this pick........I miss Free Agency, the league really has screwed the FAN over with this lockout....they better get it settled soon, or they may see a revolt when Football finally is played....Go BEARS

P.S. How about that schedule, somehow or another the pundits will still say it's a weak schedule if the BEARS win 10 games that how they are......

Kevin Armstead | April 21, 2011 1:49 PM | Reply
"Chicago would probably like to come out of this draft with a young talented player to man the three technique, especially now that the Tommie Harris experiment is over. It wouldn't surprise me if the Bears take Marvin Austin at #29, the fact Lovie Smith and Rod Marinelli went down and had a visit with him really make you think Austin is gonna be their guy."

"I see Henery Melton being the Bears new three technique, Melton coming on this season was probably a big reason Tommis Harris got the axe. Also, Angelo said this draft is deep with DT's, their might be someone late they like at DT?'

So let me get this right, Austin is gonna be the guy cause the Bears need a 3 tech. Seems like a pretty sound theory Kevin.

But if you believe Austin to be the new 3 tech why do you say Melton will be the new 3 tech? Which is it? In fact if the Bears were so happy with Melton at 3 tech why are they doing so much scouting of 3 techs? You say Austin is the guy but Melton is the guy also plus you never considered the reason they are looking for a 3 tech in the first place is because they don't have one on the roster. Melton was the third string 3 tech swing player, Tommie was the second stringer. If Melton is the guy in your opinion why are the Bears looking at first round 3 techs. You must think Angelo is an idiot doing something that stupid, looking ot waste a pick when your guy Melton is so slearly the guy. I know maybe Angelo can use a first round pick on Melton and redraft him to show how great he is.

What a wonderful form of Logic you have discovered Alice, tell me was it the Cheshire cat or the Mad Hatter that helped you come up with that brain storm.

Oh and don't go getting all offended because I was mean to you again, after all your a big boy and you do post as Crap-ton all the time, so don't go crying to Neil and Sean again about how mean I was to you again you big sissy girl you. Your worse than a smelly kid hiding behind a teacher.

Ps. Raiders are taking Stefen Wisniewski in round 2, he's basically family in the Al Davis house.

Bears project four to six players they like in 29th spot??? Someone needs to tell Angelo you can only take one player per turn.

My guess at the 6 over 4 positions in order are
Carimi
Pouncy
Paea
Austin
Sherrod
Baldwin
If either of the first 2 are available they make pick immediatly. It the rest are available they will try to trade down because I don't think they will fall in love with any of them. The wont care which they get.
Solder is lower on the board too much of a project.
Wilkerson and Heyward dont make it because they just dont fit well enough to be 1st rounders for the Bears.
No corner backs because Bears dont value the position. I would not expect them to ever take a CB in 1st round

I'm not an expert at this - But I'd like to see them do something like

First Pick - Be willing to trade up (using #1 & #2 to get to #18/#19) for an OT they REALLY like OR stay at #29 and take a solid interior OL guy G/C

Second pick - would then either be a late 2nd or late 3rd rounder - if late 2nd, they should go OLB - if late 3rd they should go WR

They really need to stop reacting and start planning. Now that they have Cutler, they need to be building around him (O-line) and planning for future needs where they are aging (e.g. C, LB)

There are times where they strike gold or at least silver. Melton was a mysterious pick at the time; and Knox was a great late pick. But these are exceptions, not the rule.

http://www.drafthistory.com/teams/bears.html

A quick review of the last four (or 11) years is downright scary. Hopefully the changes in scouting will bear some fruit; but the talk of four starters is blue and orange kool-aide.

Here's the way I'll grade Jerry

2 quality players = C = JA's average
3 quality players = B = I'd be very happy
4 Starters = a miracle

Just once, I would like to see the Bears draft all lineman. All 6 picks for lineman. Hopefully, they get 3 good players out of it. You figure half your draft will be good. Draft all lineman, and be set for the future.

Wilkerson is good enough to play either and the reason I mentioned him is because Greg Gabriel mentioned the Bears would probably take him if he fell. I am sure the guy still has some firends up at Halas hall.

Outside of that, let us remember they have signed and drafted 5 tech guys before. Gillbert and Izzy. Both were tried at the 3 tech, plus don't forget the best 3 tech in the game Kevin Williams who is a lot like Wilkerson. 6-5 311 pounds does not scream 3 tech but he does get it done. He was a 5 tech tweener coming out of college. Wilkerson and Williams are a lot alike. Although Williams is a littel more athletic, I would be surprised if Wilkerson falls that far but who knows.

Very true about the Corner position and Angelo, but they are not in a good place in the secondary and Jerry knows it. Same with O-Line Jerry will avoid drafting O-Line early at all cost most of the time. But when he has little or know choice he will pull the trigger. Bears are high on Heyward and Wilkerson, Gillbert didn't fit either. I like Wilkerson. Not a Heyward guy myself either but its what the Bears like not what I like. If your don't think they would take a big end like Heyward, see Peppers and Izzy for examples.

Tillmans career is coming to an end and he is getting slower every year. They don't have a number two corner to begin with and Manning is a FA and nobody is sure about Wright. Not to mention Chris Harris had a decent year but he is also slow and playing out of position. Bears secondary is not in the best shape.

I like your list but I don't know how many of those guys will be there. Pouncey will probably be long gone, I can't see Carimi being there either. Paea does not have the hips to play 3 tech he either comes at you or stuffs a run coming at him, strong as a horse though, he is a undersized 1 tech.

I like the Baldwin pick but I think recievers apply to the same catagory as DB's with Angelo, its a rare first round move for the guy. If Greg Little falls to the the 3rd round or later he may be an option. But if I had to guess it would be Edmond Gates in round 3 if he is still there.

Doug chances are its going to be a trade down if they can find a partner. Angelo likes to get as many picks as he can. He probably would like to get 5 picks in the first 120 and he only has 3 right now. Angelo is more a draft as many guys as you can and hope some of them stick GM rather than a talent guy.

Can you name the last time the Bears got 3 quality starters out of one draft?

Creighton, as far as me thinking Henery Melton will be the starter at the three technique, and the Bears still wanting to bring another one in, its simple, they cut Tommie Harris, that means Melton is really the only guy left on the roster who could man the position. In Chicago's style of defense, which relies heavily on one gap penetrating types, especially at the 3-technique, you gotta have more than one player to man the position. Another reason as far as Melton being the guy and wanting to bring another 3-technique in is simple, competition. It would be nice to have a player pushing Melton there by making both players better, you always want competition on your roster. Another reason you don't want Melton being the only 3-tech is depth, what if Melton goes down with an injury, wouldn't it be nice to have another player behind him? My only point above was it wouldn't surprise me if the Bears take a player to man the 3-tech in the 1st, IF, a 3-tech is the best player available. And again, yes, a 3-tech is a need with the loss of Harris even with Melton being the guy because of a need for depth and competition at the 3-tech position. So please stop taking what I say, twisting it around, and trying to make me look dumb.

Lets get another thing straight, I'm not Crap-ton. You seem to be suffering from some type of paranoia about this whole Crap-ton thing. I mean look at the way you come after me. Why? I think one reason is you make this blog out to be like its one big contest to see who knows the most about the Bears...its not. Well, not to me, I simply come on here, read the info on my favorite team, and give my 2-cents, thats all, end of story. Oh, and by the way, I have never ever said anything to Neil or Sean about you, (this is in your own words) "being mean to me", give me a break, I've never even e-mailed Sean or Neil. Like I've told you before Creighton, get out, make a friend, heck, go for a walk in the park, that computer screen is gonna drive you insane bro. Someone is playing with your head on here, you need to calm down about it, its not me, but it is funny =-) Oh yeah, GO BEARS!!

@ Creighton -

The last time they got 3 decent OR 3 quality players? Just running down the last 5 years; I grade the selections below; Yes-Quality-Q, Yes-Decent-D, Incomplete-I, or No - N, irrespective of when the players was drafted. Others would grade these players differently.

I think 2009, 2010 is still a little premature to fairly evaluate - e.g. Al Afalava, Lance Louis, D.J. Moore. So I'd say 2008 as an answer to your question - assuming Chris Williams gets angrier -as that year also included Forte, Bennett, Bowman and Davis -

But if we were to add a fourth category of Impact player - there would only be 3 - Hester, Forte, and Knox.

2010

Major Wright - I
Corey Wootton - I
Joshua Moore - N
Dan LeFevour - N
J'marcus Webb - I

2009
Jarron Gilbert - N
Juaquin Iglesias - N
Henry Melton - D
D.J. Moore - I
Johnny Knox - Q
Marcus Freeman - N
Al Afalava - I
Lance Louis - I
Derek Kinder - N

2008
Chris Williams - I
Matt Forte - Q
Earl Bennett - D
Marcus Harrison - D
Craig Steltz - N
Zack Bowman - D
Kellen Davis - Q
Ervin Baldwin - I
Chester Adams - I
Joey LaRocque - N
Kirk Barton - N
Marcus Monk - N

2007
Greg Olsen D
Dan Bazuin N
Garrett Wolfe N
Michael Okwo N
Josh Beekman I
Kevin Payne N
Corey Graham I
Tru McBride I
Aaron Brant N

2006
Danieal Manning D
Devin Hester Q
Dusty Dvoracek D
Jamar Williams D
Mark Anderson N
J.D. Runnels N
Tyler Reed I

If you know anything about Angelo and have followed him over the years, then you know he basically told you above what he is going to do next week. If they like 6 players at 29 and he wants 4 starters out of this draft, then he's trading down. Maybe Cincy would want to jump into 29 to get Ponder or Dalton.

The ONLY player I would take at 29 if he happens to slip is Carimi. I know, I know, all the scouts say he's a RT. Funny how he played against 4 guys who are going to be drafted in the first round due to their pass rush ability. Carimi is the opposite of Chris Williams. He is strong, has good feet, good bend, he's mean as a snake, and seems to be coachable. If he is capable of playing LT, he will give it his all.

If he isn't there then trade down. I like Austin and he seems to be saying all the right things in his interviews, but is he worth enough at 29 to have to wait until late in the 2nd round to draft again, or would you be better served to trade back 5 or 6 spots from 29, get an additional high 3rd and have 4 picks in a relatively short time frame. Who knows, you might still get Austin in the high 2nd round. If not, that McClain kid from South Florida has been on the Bear's radar. Marinelli ran his workout a few weeks ago and he impressed everyone.

You could very easily get a nice WR, DT, OG/C, and CB with those first 4 picks. And they can be in any order. Baldwin might be there, or the guy I like at WR, Little might be there in the early 3rd round.

We have 4 to 6 players targeted for the pick. Let's just hope Jerry doesn't let slip who those 6 guys are to teams like GB like they did with Morgan Burnett last year. The Bears front office is among the worst in the league at sending smokescreens, so their interest in players (Austin, McClain at DT, Carimi and Moffitt on OL, etc.) is widely publicized. They need to just stick to their board, and if the guy they want at 29 is gone, take the next guy. We have way too many needs to lock in on a specific position group in round 1. McClain will be their second rounder in my opinion, even though they should be able to get him in the third. So the first round will come down to OL, CB, and even potentially another DE so they can move Izzy back inside to help at DT. I would be surprised if they take a DT, but that seems to be their SOP, and the best players on the board will probably be a DT. They did it with Tank and Tommie, so why not try it again?


For the OL, I like Carimi best to play against the teams in our division at LT. Jared Allen is not a blazer, but he is quick, versatile, and doesn't quit. Vanden Bosch is a bigger end who uses hard work and power to get to the QB. In Green Bay, they will have a rookie (Brooks Reed anyone?) playing their ROLB spot opposite Clay Matthews. Carimi matches up well with all three. He has strength to anchor, power to drive off the ball, and enough quickness to stay with all 3. He is not the "dancing bear" that Mayock says you should look for, but he also does well moving forward instead of backwards, which is something none of our tackles can do today.

For CB, I don't really like any of the options there at 29, assuming Smith, Harris, Amukamara, and Peterson are gone. I would rather see them move back and look at guys like Burton, House, Marsh, Curtis Brown, or wait until later in the draft and take a Jalil Brown from Colorado.

At DL, Liuget will probably be gone, and I think Creighton's list is about right. Austin, Wilkerson, and Heyward will be the guys who have a chance to still be there. Austin is the best fit for our 3 technique style, but he might not be the best fit as a player for our team. Do we really need another player that has questionable work ethic, and some scouts have questioned his passion for the game? Tank and Tommie both had the same issue. The upside is Austin is not rehabbing an arthritic knee, or any injury as far as I can tell.

I think Angelo will want to get out of that spot, and get another second rounder or third rounder out of this draft. Then he can get his most desired players: Terrell McClain, and Austin Pettis. He will take both a round ahead of where he should (McClain in the second, Pettis in the third), and pass up more highly rated players. But the Bears will need to come out of this with a center of the future, and at least one tackle or guard. I would love to see us trade back, and take Wisniewski in the early second, and then get McClain at 62. 2 starters out of the 4 Jerry is looking for. Wiz can play guard if we bring back Kreutz, or take over as a rookie with his pedigree. I am concerned about the tackles, and do not want a Jah Reid type player, who is J'Marcus Webb part 2. I want a player who can play this year, and that would mean getting lucky and having Sherrod or Solder fall to 29. Carimi, Castanzo, and Smith I think will be long gone. Carimi has a chance to slide, as teams won't like his cockiness, but Tice values that type of attitude in his players, so he has more value to us.

I am preparing myself to see the Bears not draft on Thursday, but if they do, I can only hope it is to stop a free-fall, not to settle for who's left.

We have 4 to 6 players targeted for the pick. Let's just hope Jerry doesn't let slip who those 6 guys are to teams like GB like they did with Morgan Burnett last year. The Bears front office is among the worst in the league at sending smokescreens, so their interest in players (Austin, McClain at DT, Carimi and Moffitt on OL, etc.) is widely publicized. They need to just stick to their board, and if the guy they want at 29 is gone, take the next guy. We have way too many needs to lock in on a specific position group in round 1. McClain will be their second rounder in my opinion, even though they should be able to get him in the third. So the first round will come down to OL, CB, and even potentially another DE so they can move Izzy back inside to help at DT. I would be surprised if they take a DT, but that seems to be their SOP, and the best players on the board will probably be a DT. They did it with Tank and Tommie, so why not try it again?


For the OL, I like Carimi best to play against the teams in our division at LT. Jared Allen is not a blazer, but he is quick, versatile, and doesn't quit. Vanden Bosch is a bigger end who uses hard work and power to get to the QB. In Green Bay, they will have a rookie (Brooks Reed anyone?) playing their ROLB spot opposite Clay Matthews. Carimi matches up well with all three. He has strength to anchor, power to drive off the ball, and enough quickness to stay with all 3. He is not the "dancing bear" that Mayock says you should look for, but he also does well moving forward instead of backwards, which is something none of our tackles can do today.

For CB, I don't really like any of the options there at 29, assuming Smith, Harris, Amukamara, and Peterson are gone. I would rather see them move back and look at guys like Burton, House, Marsh, Curtis Brown, or wait until later in the draft and take a Jalil Brown from Colorado.

At DL, Liuget will probably be gone, and I think Creighton's list is about right. Austin, Wilkerson, and Heyward will be the guys who have a chance to still be there. Austin is the best fit for our 3 technique style, but he might not be the best fit as a player for our team. Do we really need another player that has questionable work ethic, and some scouts have questioned his passion for the game? Tank and Tommie both had the same issue. The upside is Austin is not rehabbing an arthritic knee, or any injury as far as I can tell.

I think Angelo will want to get out of that spot, and get another second rounder or third rounder out of this draft. Then he can get his most desired players: Terrell McClain, and Austin Pettis. He will take both a round ahead of where he should (McClain in the second, Pettis in the third), and pass up more highly rated players. But the Bears will need to come out of this with a center of the future, and at least one tackle or guard. I would love to see us trade back, and take Wisniewski in the early second, and then get McClain at 62. 2 starters out of the 4 Jerry is looking for. Wiz can play guard if we bring back Kreutz, or take over as a rookie with his pedigree. I am concerned about the tackles, and do not want a Jah Reid type player, who is J'Marcus Webb part 2. I want a player who can play this year, and that would mean getting lucky and having Sherrod or Solder fall to 29. Carimi, Castanzo, and Smith I think will be long gone. Carimi has a chance to slide, as teams won't like his cockiness, but Tice values that type of attitude in his players, so he has more value to us.

I am preparing myself to see the Bears not draft on Thursday, but if they do, I can only hope it is to stop a free-fall, not to settle for who's left.

Joe would you be at all surprised if the Bears were hoping that one of the 5 OT's don't fall to them so they can do what they actually want to do.

Everything I am seeing today suggests that Miles Austin is their guy but they are hoping he falls out of the first round and they can trade down for him. Wilkerson is also high on there list as he does everything well and has played in both a 3-4 and 4-3 and excelled in both he can play 5 tech, 1 tech and 3 tech. Teams love guys like that. Plus the MAC has been known to spit out a stud every know and then.

I think Carimi is perfect for Tice, but I don't see Martz being a fan as he will look pass blocker before run blocker. I like Carimi but I like him as a RT and I would be fine if he was the pick. Carimi is Joe Thomas without the amazing athletic ability, Thomas was a better technician but Carimi is pretty good as well.

On the other hand you have nate Solder, Solder has the Joe Thomas athletic ability however he needs more time in a weight room, but not much more. What he lacks is technique, he has shown flashes but is inconsistant. Which may have to do with his motor. I saw an interview with Solder and he was as nice a kid as your gonna meet, but he didn't seem really thrilled about the NFL. It seemed more like something he had to do rather than something he wants to do. That's my big concern with him.

I think Smith will be a durability concern in the nfl.

Costanzo is likely to be a decent tackle but nothing special.

Sherrod, I don't know why but I am not fan.

Miles Austin is an ideal fit for the Bears defense and seems to have sold himself to the team. Maybe he will be drafted before the Bears pick which means they will probably trade down.

Wilkerson, I here the Bears like him but all the buzz is around Austin.

I have also heard the Bears are high on Love at OT.

I think the Bears want Wilkerson to fall along with Austin, then they are probably hoping a 3-4 team makes a trade offer to them for Wilkerson so the Pack, Pit, Pats, Jets, and Buffalo all will make a move for him or Heyward. I think they hope Buffalo trades up. GB has plenty of picks, Pats have a ton of picks, Buffalo also has a lot of picks. However I don't really see to many teams trading up. I think because the draft is deep but lacks a lot of elite players that everyone is looking to move down. Which means the Bears may be stuck at 29. Some team is really gonna have to love Wilkerson to trade up for him. I still think Buffalo is a perfect fit for the guy given he can play both 3-4 and 4-3.

In other news word is that the Pats, and Cowboys are intrested in Manning to play safety for them. Its a two man race for the Cowboys between Huff and Manning, Word is whoever the Pats and Boys don't grab the Texans will.

Its also nice to see the Bears low balling Dave Toub, maybe Lovie's cousin needs a job. Or Babich may want a shot at coaching Special teams.

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