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In the trenches with Mike Tice

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Bears offensive line coach Mike Tice provided some real insight, in my opinion, on the communication problems that contributed to protection issues last week. I thought he made some very interesting points, and I felt I learned something. Check it out for yourselves:

"The center lines them all up, and changes the calls. But, there's times when different guys work to different guys. There are some protections where it's only us five guys, and we're trying to sort out the five guys that we think are the most dangerous. Well, when [opponents are] moving around, doing those things, those five guys change, guys see 'em differently. If you communicate, you can see it the same. Some of that went on in the game."

It sounds like the inexperienced right side of the line may be the primary culprits. The right tackle is J'Marcus Webb, a seventh round pick, and the right guard is Edwin Williams, an undrafted player in 2009 who initially signed with the Bears practice squad in September.

Neither of those players did a very good job of verbalizing what they were seeing, Tice said.

"There's a reason sometimes, young linemen look like they don't know what they're doing because, usually, they don't. They're growing," he said.

"One guy sees it, and doesn't pass it along, it kind of hurts the mesh of things," he separately said. "The more they play together, the more they get confidence in what they're seeing, and when they believe what they see, they'll be able to blurt those things out."

Tice said the young players sometimes lack the confidence of trusting their instincts.

"On the field," Tice said, "they don't speak because they're not positive they know what they know what they think they know that they know, and unfortunately, if they would just believe themselves, they'd be right, nine out of 10 times."

Got that?

But, this isn't entirely a surprise to Tice or the other coaches.

"We knew that when we went with the young guys, that we were going to have some pains," he said.

But that's why Tice -- and Bears coach Lovie Smith on Monday -- stressed the importance of trying to keep the starters in tact.

That's particularly important on the offensive line.

"Communication things hurt us," Tice said. "We just got to hear the play called, and block the play better."

Moving forward, Tice said the key is to find what his players do well and continue to challenge them to improve.

"It's early in the season," he said. "We're fortunate to be 4-2, as poorly as we've played at times, up front. But you have to look at the tape and see the good things. I thought in the second half [against the Seattle Seahawks], we protected our butts off."

Finally, Tice downplayed any issues between him and offensive coordinator Mike Martz.

Asked about their relationship, he said, "Fantastic.

"We're trying to work through who we are. We're trying to work through together, what we can ask the guys to do, not just in the o-line but across the board."

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So what does this have to do with veteran Frank Omiyale making several costly, boneheaded blown assignments??

Worst O-line in the league.

PLAY KEVIN SCHEFFER ! ! !

He is the offensive tackle we have.

"Interesting" maybe, but I don't see how that equates to "giving us the best chance to win now" comment that Lovie and so many other coaches love to say, which Lovie doesn't utter as much lately.

Oh boy Sean you wrote this thread in the form of quotes and listed them. Lex is gonna have a cow.

"There's a reason sometimes, young linemen look like they don't know what they're doing because, usually, they don't. They're growing," he said."

Actually I think he means they are learning.

"One guy sees it, and doesn't pass it along, it kind of hurts the mesh of things," he separately said. "The more they play together, the more they get confidence in what they're seeing, and when they believe what they see, they'll be able to blurt those things out."

It's not just on the line the TE's, Backs and recievers also have to communicate. But when the QB goes into his cadence non-verbal becomes a factor. Which none of them seem to know how to do.


"On the field," Tice said, "they don't speak because they're not positive they know what they know what they think they know that they know, and unfortunately, if they would just believe themselves, they'd be right, nine out of 10 times."

I ummm, that, what he ,means is. Well you see I think what he is trying to say is he likes the word "know".


I agree with Jerome E. If the right side is so bad due to inexperience, then why was Omiyale blocking the same guy Chris Williams was on while blitzing DBs ran right past him?

I am shuddering reading this and thinking about what will happen when we go to Minnesota, play in that dome and have to go with a silent count. Ouch!!!!

If they're that dumb and uncommunicative after high school, college, etc. what they should do is quite simple.
Make a circle (circle the wagons, Tex), shoulder to shoulder and give Cutler only 1, 2 or 3 step drops. Maybe they can protect that long. After all, playing the line ain't brain surgery on offense or defense.

Is that why we gave up 9 sacks against the Giants? Because these overpaid dorks dont communicate?

Bears have to man up and admit the obvious: The rest of the league has caught onto their scheme and has made adjustments.

During the first three games, teams were making too many adjustments to the Bears' offense. Starting with the Giants game, defenses quit worrying about matching up with the Bears receivers and instead just started focusing on getting to Cutler as quickly as possible.

The Bears better figure out what needs to change because the difficult part of their schedule remains ahead. The odds of Cutler making it thru the remainder of the season are not promising.

I hope Lovie, Martz and Tice are updating their resumes because they all will be looking for jobs come January.

So why would the right side get blamed when the left side is where the hits come from? Edwin Williams and Webb do fine blocking guys. It's Omiyale and Chris Williams that are usually on the ground, opening up huge holes, or inexplicably down field that's causing the screwups. Of course, if Tice were to blame those two, his job wouldn't be for much longer, what with those two being guys Angelo picked up and drafted.

Seedy,
You have hit on the core of this whole issue (but not leading with the helmet, so no fine/suspension). The rest of the league has caught up with what the Bears are trying to do on both sides of the ball, and they are kicking the crap out of us when we try and do it.

Martz and Lovie are way too stubborn/proud/arrogant to change what they are doing, so this is going to continue to get worse as the season wears on, and will result in a very high draft pick, which we will probably spend on a defensive lineman...

We ran the ball against Carolina, but that was it. Martz proved his point that he could run the ball IF he wanted to. Lovie had two solid performances by the defense early in the year, so he PROVED the Cover 2 still works...That was the extent of their adjustments...

If they do change it up, I will be shocked. But they will deserve all the credit in the world if they can right this ship and drive this team to the playoffs. I wouldn't bet on that though.

PFF has their Bears breakdown up. Time to see who caused the sack problems this week. I like PFF because they actually let me know who was the problem, if the QB caused himself to get sacked they tell you.

Brandon Manumaleuna 1 Pr on 29 snaps

Frank Omiyale 3 sacks, 3 Pr, 60 snaps

Chris Williams 1 hit, 2 pressures 60 snaps

Olin Kruetz 1 Pr, 60 snaps

Edwin Williams 1 Hit, 60 snaps

J'Marcus Webb 3 sacks, 5 Pr, 60 snaps.

Jay Cutler 2 Pr, 60 snaps.

What's intresting is Tice says it was the right side of the line pointing out Edwin Williams and Webb. However Edwin Williams for the second week in a row played the best of all the linemen. He was the only linemen with a positive grade in pass protection and run blocking. He was in fact the only linmen with a positive grade. Everyone else graded out in the negative for run blocking and Kruetz and Williams recieved a flat grade for pass blocking.

Here is a real good question. When the Bears tried to run the ball, guess who they kept trying to run behind? Greg Olsen. Explain that one.

Mike Martz "Shhhhhhhhh, lets surprise the Seahawks, we're gonna run behind Olsen, HAHAHAHA I am a mad genius."

Mike Tice "WE'RE GONNA DO WHAT?"

By the way PFF can't explain why Omiyale and Webb kept doubling to the inside. Cause it makes no sense. Unless they thought it was a run play.

Frank Omiyale was trying to show Chris Williams who to block. Thats why Frank was doubling C.Williams guy. Frank Omiyale should be benched when Lance Louis comes back. Move Chris Williams back to left tackle and bench Omiyale.

I give up on these morons. Every Bears fan KNOWS what the problem is, in fact I believe that even the Chicago sports media know what the problems is, except if they came right out and say it , they may have their Halas Hall press passes revolked. Jerry Angelo has systematically ruined this team. An NFL organization cannot continually miss on 1st, 2nd and 3rd round picks and honestly expect to remain competitive. There is no point in going over all of the BUSTS Jerry has drafted because of their "Ceilings". Unfortunately, he has left the Bears in the basement, talent wise.

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