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Rookie minicamp report: Day 2

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Not much to report today, actually, but I did have an interesting conversation with Mike Tice, who doesn't believe the Bears need to add a veteran offensive linemen.

That led to the following story:

Don't count Mike Tice among those clamoring for the Bears to sign a veteran offensive lineman. In fact, the new Bears' offensive line coach said adding a veteran can hurt more than help.

"Here's the problem with bringing veterans in: Right now, I'm a month in with our veterans here and I'm trying to get them to do things the way I want them to do it," Tice said. "They've accepted that and adapted to it pretty well. Now you bring a bunch of young guys in and you're teaching them from scratch the way you want to do things.

"Sometimes, you bring in a veteran guy with somebody like me who is set in his ways and who wants things done a certain way, and I have to spend too much time breaking bad habits and sometimes you can't break those bad habits because veteran guys want to tell you how they do things and how they want to take care of things," Tice said. "At this stage of my career, I don't want to do that. I want to be with guys who will do things the way I'm asking them to do it and buy into what I'm selling and move forward and put together a really great line."

Tice was back doing what he loves best on the second day of the Bears three-day rookie minicamp at Halas Hall on Saturday. Last year, he coached the Jaguars tight ends and served as Jack Del Rio's assistant head coach before leaping at the chance to return to his roots as an offensive line coach and instruct the Bears much-maligned unit.

"I graded the whole season last year and I didn't see the line as the only problem, and we'll leave it at that," Tice said when asked if a line that appeared to be a weakness last season could turn into a strength despite few personnel changes. "Everybody on the offense needs to improve --- coaches, players, play-calling, the whole thing."

One of the areas of perceived need that has received little attention is the offensive line. Blocking tight end Brandon Manumaleuna should add bite to the running game. Other than that, however, the only addition has been seventh-round draft pick J'Marcus Webb and rookie free-agents Tim Walter, a center, and tackle Levi Horn.

The biggest concern is at left guard. Josh Beekman, Lance Louis and second-year guard John Asiata appear to be the leading candidates to replace Frank Omiyale, who moves to right tackle. There's a chance the Bears might sign Dolphins guard Justin Smiley when and if he becomes available. They could also stand pat, which is fine with Tice.

"Everybody who can walk and talk is going to get a chance to prove they can be the starting left guard," Tice said. "Right now, we're putting in the way we want to do things --- hands, footwork and assignments. We're not going to know who is going to be our starting left guard until we get pads on."

Tice spend most of Saturday's practice on a far corner of the practice field, just him, his linemen and a blocking sled. It is what he loves to do.

"I'm 51 years old," he said when asked why he wanted to coach linemen again "You don't know how long you're going to do it. You want to go back to being a teacher. Coaching tight ends and being assistant head coach in Jacksonville was wonderful. Jack and I are very close. Obviously, I had his ear and helped him with evaluations. He would run the schedule by me. I'd do anything he asked me to do.

"Here, I'm back to coaching a lot of guys, and getting a chance to teach and have an impact and be a teacher. That's what I am, really. My wife will tell you, I wake up in the morning teaching, coaching my kids, my cat, my dog and whoever is standing next to me"

Webb, the cousin of former Dolphins standout Richmond Webb, is 6-foot-8, weighs 338 pounds, has 36-inch arms and wears size 19 shoes.

"He's been picking up things pretty well," Bears coach Lovie Smith said of Webb. "You can't get too high or too low with these types of practices but you don't want to see a lineman come in who is a big-step guy who can't move. You definitely won't say that about him. He's a big athlete."

Quarterbacks Dan LeFevour and Juice Williams looked a lot better during Day 2, by the way. Not having winds gusting up to 30 m.p.h helped, no doubt.

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Tice is one tough hombre and the OL will be his reflection. This was a crucial addition.

What a bunch of BS. Sorry but Tice says " Right now, I'm a month in with our veterans here and I'm trying to get them to do things the way I want them to do it," Tice said. "They've accepted that and adapted to it pretty well. Now you bring a bunch of young guys in and you're teaching them from scratch the way you want to do things."

So when asked if he was ok with bringing in a vet he responded he didn;t want any young guys because he has to breal the vets he has of bad habbits and get them to work the way he wants. So on a team where his entire line is made up of Vets he has never worked with, he is complaining about having to break them of bad habits, but doesn't want any young guys to mold. Does he realize that his starting Center has not worked with him yet because he is recovering from injury.

Its all double talk. Watch, if they get Smiely all of a sudden he will be like oh I love vets couldn;t ask for a better player."

The guy literaly complained about Vets and young players in one comment. So what does he want? He doesn't want vets because he has to break them of bad habbits and get them to buy into his style even though his line is basically all vets who have never worked with him. But doesn't want young guys either. WTF? By the way the biggest concern better be RT, then LG and then C, I wouldn't be surprised if Garza fell off a bit more this year too.

I also saw in another article that Tice likes Shaffer at LG, not because he is a good bender or fits the position but because he is clever. He also said there is no way Williams can't be a stud. I guess he didn't watch film of him last year, or see what happend the year before. He also said if you can play LT you can play RT, again I point to Williams.

At least he pointed out everyone needed to play better. Good luck with your vets that you don't want.

Hard to argue with that. He's the one on the hot seat for the o-line and says he wants to go with the talent he has on hand. It's hard to imagine Angelo doing much more to the roster when the coach is saying he already has what he needs. I guess we will have to wait and see.

There is no doubt that Lovie has a much different coaching staff this year. These guys exude the confidence of people who have been there and done that. He is definately right about one thing. We won't know what kind of line they have until after they put on the pads. The good news is Tice has been around long enough to know. The bad news is that after they put on the pads, it's really too late to do much to add to the roster. I guess we will have to wait and see.

Problems solved. We're going to the superbowl.

Rig-ga-jig, jig, jig and ah one-two-three, rig-ga-jig, jig, jig and ah one-two-three.


choke...cough, cough, puke, puke.

Wait till Tice runs up against real football teams this season...hopefully in week one, but if not...week two with the cowboys and week three with the packers, week 4 with the giants and the panthers in week 5. Then they get a few breaks before the second half of the season...where the real football is played..

Vikes
Dolphins
Eagles
Lions
Pats
Vikes again
Jets
Packers


Midway the season, we will have a pretty good idea whether the bozos running this club will be fired at the end of the season.

Creighton:

How come you aren't O-Line coach, GM, Head coach, head scout, Def. Coordinator, etc.

You seem to know everything about everything.

:-)

Rig-a-jig-jig, hysterical :-)

The Cool-aide is being serve early year; drink responsibly

Been reading these posts for a while now. What I want to know is how is Creighton not an NFL coach? This guy knows everything about football and especially the Bears! He is a master evaluator of talent AND of coaches! I am going to start calling him Grandpa Creighton because he reminds me of a senile old Grandpa. You listen to what he says and realize none of it makes any sense! Can't wait for your next post Gramps!!!

As always, GO BEARS!

creighton, please learn how to read before posting your comments because you clearly didnt disifere what he said please reread and try to come up with something inteligante to say


Ummm, Roscoe, ..... to ME he comes across as an adolescent, who lives in his mom's basement and has never had a date.

When you correct someone elses grammar and spelling, yu need tu mak sher yers is easily DECIPHERABLE. What the heck is "disifere?"
Now having taken care of that, Mike Tice is a blow hard company man sucking up to the coach and GM that gave him a job. You have been at Halas Hall for one month and I would assume the majority of that month was draft preparation {wait, it's Angelo drafting, nevermind.} so just how much have you been able to work with this group of guys? And it's got to be so disconcerting for guys like Shaffer, who clearly outplayed Omiyale on the OL last year {when given the chance} but the Bear's management is going to shove this guy down our throats again. Not that Shaffer is the beat all, end all, but he clearly works harder than, and gets better results than Omiyale. Thankfully we only have one more season of "Jerry Angelo's Flying Circus" or who knows, they might try Omiyale at center next year. When JA's 50 million dollar QB is lying on the field writhing in pain, and Hanie is scrambling to find his helmet, then maybe every person posting on here will blast Jerry Angelo for his lack of OL concern. But instead they will blast other people who clearly see the problem.

You mean decipher? So Tice didn't say this?

"Here's the problem with bringing veterans in: Right now, I'm a month in with our veterans here and I'm trying to get them to do things the way I want them to do it," Tice said.

But Olin isn't in camp yet is he? But he is still willing to work with him. But he is a vet, all of them are and he has never worked with any of them before.

Then he said this.

"Sometimes, you bring in a veteran guy with somebody like me who is set in his ways and who wants things done a certain way, and I have to spend too much time breaking bad habits and sometimes you can't break those bad habits because veteran guys want to tell you how they do things and how they want to take care of things," Tice said. "At this stage of my career, I don't want to do that. I want to be with guys who will do things the way I'm asking them to do it and buy into what I'm selling and move forward and put together a really great line."

How does he even know if they bring in a vet he won't do it his way. The vets he has now appear to be doing what he wants.

So for the guy who doesn't speak english very well, I deciphered it just fine. You could always point out to me where I wrong. Oh thats right you couldn't find it could you perdedor?

A guy named Roscoe Grabowski calling me grandpa? No offense but I question guys who ghost boards but don't have the stones to post. Then when they do post its all about me and not about football. No offense but you have post once on this board and never talked football. Don;t be mad cause I have a long history of being very accurate and very very right about this team. You can't handle the truth and judging by your name you also like living in the past. I would say you are rather grandpa like, after alzheimers.

Gosh Mick, your complaining but not actually pointing out where I am wrong. That sounds about right for you. "There going to be really good cause the coaches said so in mini camp." "Whats lip service?" "I'm Mick and believe everything I am told, like a good little Bear boy." "Its to hard to think for myself." "I hate that Creighton he makes the brain pain."

You know whats funny Mick? You complain like crazy when they are loosing. But once the season is over you enter fantasy land. Last year you said the same stuff to me about Rod. Oooops! In fact everyone did, guess who was right again?

Come on now people be easy on Creighton. His third grade level rants and raves are so funny I cant help but to laugh at him.

creighton: just shut up. you can't read or spell and you know alot less than you think which is obvious from your asinine comments. The Lions are looking for fans, send them your reume, such as it is. Maybe they will take a flier on you.

creighton: just shut up. you can't read or spell and you know alot less than you think which is obvious from your asinine comments. The Lions are looking for fans, send them your reume, such as it is. Maybe they will take a flier on you.

You know I love reading posts about how another poster is not contributing to the thread. Makes me realize that many idjits on this board know even less about hypocrisy as they do football.

So a few of us are having trouble buying into Rod Marinelli ... crap force of habit I meant Bob Babich because ... darn it did it again, I mean Tim Ruskell because of the past ... SON-OF-A ... I mean Mike Tice because we seem to hire retreads from failed programs (or promote from within) who say all these great things but do not perform.

When we are looking at an offensive line with an unproven LT, a center well past his prime, a regressing RG, an open competition at LG, and a RT who couldn't block out the sun for Vern Troyer ... Yeah I would say that not adding a veteran - no matter what asinine reason Mike Tice gives us - is about the most idiotic thing he's uttered. Of course, I'm sure our 7th-round pick will come in and make a huge impact and all will be A-OK.

So pass me the kool-aid Dave, Timmer, mick, tom, et al. ...

Creighton rocks!

The Real Dave.

Look. If Louis or Beekman jump in and do a great job at guard, then great! Mike Tice did his job and then some.

It's just that Beekman outplayed Omiyale..which says nothing and Lance Louis was a project.

It just sounds just like the rhetoric last year that we were fine with the wideouts we had. How many of Cutler's picks don't happen if Hester and co run the right routes?

But hey, fine. We'll see. If the lack of Pace, the constant doses of DA, and the addtion of Taylor and Mansdklfhjsldslfhshuma fix the offense, kudos.

I reserve my right to be doubtful.

I try not to be skeptical but the Bears still need some help on the O line particularly at Left OG. Tice follows the company line about how wonderful everything is in OZ but the wizard has left town and the wicked witch is hanging out ready to pounce on those innocent unsuspecting victims, the fans that believe all of this stuff.

I'm probably drinking to much kool-aid of one kind or another but can't we all just get along? lol No really. The fact we're here means we all love Bears football, want to win another superbowl. I don't know how many times i've sat here and spent the time to put a load on someone i've disagreed with and deleted it cause it won't change their way of thinking. Don't waist your time.
Now let's talk football. Williams looked pretty good at left tackle in the last 2 games. Kreutz was hobbled all last season with bone spurs in his heel. try walking with that pain let alone moving three hundred pound guys out of your way every weekend. Garza was the highest rated lineman. Beekman has a few games of experience under his belt. Omygolly is back where he belongs and anyone is probably good enough to take his place if he doesn't improve. The addition of our new tight end should help the run game and pass blocking.
Our running game should be great. I don't see wolf being here unless he makes special teams. Forte Taylor and Bell should handle the work load fine. I like Martz think we have a fine group of receivers even if we make Hester a kick returner again. Lovie didn't use them as rookies until he had to or it didn't make a difference . I think they performed pretty well considering the Bears recent history of developing receivers. Said my bit GO BEARS!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm not terribly worried about Garza and Kreutz, if Kreutz can come back well from injury. Both guys graded out pretty well last year.

As for RT, if it's not Shaffer (who acquitted himself pretty well there last year and graded pretty well too), I'd like to see a competition between Omiyale and Webb. Maybe the big athletic rookie can show us something.

Shaffer could be an option at LG as the guy can definitely run block and plays mean, but I don't know why guys don't give Beekman his due. He graded decently last year when he played, and clearly outplayed Omiyale at the position. He's also fairly young and he's bound to get better this season. Why not give the guy a chance?

To the detriment of Beekman, he is getting all the reps at center while Kreutz is out rehabbing. We need to know whether Beekman can play C after this season, when it is likely we will not re-sign Kreutz. But the bad part is that Josh gets almost no time at LG, so he will be way behind in the competition. I actually really like the idea of Shaffer at LG, as I am not convinced that Asiata or Louis have any shot at the job. Shaffer is stout, nasty, and a solid run blocker. We need to put some guys that can hold the point or drive defenders off the ball on the inside, and Shaffer is the only guy we have who has shown an ability to do that.

Garza could start to slow down at any time, and we are all taking on faith that the Olin Kreutz of 2010 will be markedly better than the Olin of 2009. I am not sure he is capable of "out-quicking" defensive tackles any more, even when fully healthy. Sooner or later, we will need to overhaul 4 out of the 5 spots on the line, if you put Williams at LT and leave him there. Left Guard and Right Tackle are our most immediate concerns, but center and right guard are 2011 problems to fix.

Tice and Marinelli were both touted as great teachers of the game, and their respective positions. Looking at the results, you might say Marinelli didn't get it done, but when you look at the technique the younger guys used in games, it is clear he is changing the way they attack the line of scrimmage. Just because Ogunleye and Brown didn't get any better results, it doesn't mean Marinelli wasn't having an impact. Those two stayed on the field too much, so there was no way to see the full impact. We will see this season how much good Marinelli did.

If Tice can have a similar effect on the young players we have, while it may not be dramatic this year, it could make us a lot better in future years.

The fact that someone is a good position coach does not necessarily mean that his position will play well; it takes good players, too. It's not that Marinelli and Tice aren't good line coaches, they are. But they haven't been given anything to work with, so you can't expect good results. This idea -- just bringing in good position coaches without adding better players will fix a lousy position -- is delusional. Lovie Smith's comment last year that Rod Marinelli was the Bears' best acquisition that off season made many of us feel like puking for that reason.

The Bears will field a better team than last year. If you can't see that, well, I question your knowledge.

I don't know if the Bears are a play-off team or not. As of today, they do have better, healthier players than last year.

As for Tice, he has to use "double-talk". If he goes public with his desire for a veteran, it hurts the GM's negotiating ability. Agents will key on every little detail when contracts are being discussed. Going public with a desire for a veteran also diminishes his ability to get his own players to drink the proverbial kool-aid. If Tice knows that management might be looking for a veteran lineman, he can't dismiss the idea. Again, a prospective player may key on the fact he is not wanted. The offensive line needs cohesion and cooperation.

Creighton, you should know these things. So don't bash Tice for doing his job. Also, you have no business correcting the spelling, grammar, and punctuation of others. Jesus, man.

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