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The Bears should send a 2011 first-round pick and perhaps an additional conditional pick to the Broncos for receiver Brandon Marshall. That's just one of five moves that Mike Florio of profootballtalk.com and The Sporting News believes should be made before the draft.


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Step away from the phone Angelo and ack like it was never ringing.

I know Brandon Marshall is an all pro but his track record for getting in trouble is something you cant look past. Cedric Benson after getting picked up for a possible DUI and the the boat thing he was released because of his actions. Same with Terry "Tank" Johnson, he could not behave after he was on probabtion got put in jail, House was raided and the He was at a night club where is best friend was shot. Tank was released.

If the Bears werent gonna deal with those issues then my commen sence is telling me the Bears wont want to deal with Marshall.

Helo? Yes this is what Ive been saying sense the begining. Way to take my idea Florio.

Marshall is a beast at WR like no other and hi es in his prime. Cutler would be unstoppable with a big probowel target like that and not these loosers like Hester Davis Bennet or Knox. They all suck. In fact trade Hester too sense he is worthless. Here's Marshall over three years.

2007-08 Denver 16 102 1325 82.8 13.0 68 5.4 70 7
2008-09 Denver 15 104 1265 84.3 12.2 47 4.2 65 6
2009-10 Denver 15 101 1120 74.7 11.1 75 5.2 56 10

Herer is Hester:
2007 Chicago 16 20 299 18.7 15.0 81 7.0 11 2
2008 Chicago 15 51 665 44.3 13.0 65 4.2 29 3
2009 Chicago 13 57 757 58.2 13.3 48 4.7 34 3

A total bust. He cant even return kicks anymore.

Also the bears should move tillman to FS like Ive been saying for what three years now? He is natural saftie anyway. If it works for me in madden it should work for the bears.

When will people start lisening to me? I've been 100% write on everything like rod at D coordinator, Martz at O and the singing of Peppers. Do what I say. It will work.

The Bears dont need this guy as I said the reasons upabove. One more reason why Bears shound not get Marshall. He would be in a Mike Martz system. Not only will he not have free range on the field but he would probably be in the dog house very quick with Martz.

The Bears wide out while not looking steller last year there was a couple of them that showed they can show up and be NFL wide outs.

Im not talking about Hester or Bennett. Im talking one is Johnny Knox! This guy is in the right system for his qualitys. He is quick and fast knows how to run a route and has good body and hand control. Knox was not utilized in Ron Turners system. I think Knox will not only have a Break out year but also a pro-bowl year in Martz system..... Thats if the offensive line gives Cutler time to throw to Knox and not the other team.

This guy is an idiot. He's saying the lame duck management should trade away the next staff's resources in a desperate attempt to save their own necks. Angelo should not be allowed to trade any future picks on his own at this point.

It's funny how all of these people are saying they said this a long time ago. I don't remember anyone but me saying these things. I even mentioned this trade on WSCR 1 month ago and was ridiculed. I also broke this down in the Sun-Times last month as well. I broke down the 3 year total combined trade and saw how it weighed heavily in the Bear's favor.
In 3 years the Broncos would get:

Robert Ayers {Bear's 1st round draft slot from 09} He did nothing his rookie year.
Richard Quinn {Broncos used the 3rd rd pick from the Bear's to move up and draft this guy. No stats from 09.}
Rolando McClain (projected): Bear's 2010 1st rd pick.
Bear's 2011 1st round choice.

Bear's would get:
Jay Cutler, Brandon Marshall, and Johnny Knox.
Hmmm...wonder who wins that one?
One last thing. I guess "Hooked On Phonics" is not required to post on here.

Creighton...learn how to spell, then maybe someone will listen to you...

Creighton,

Would you rather see Tilman at FS, or see the Bears sign Otogwe keeping Tilman at corner? You know they can't draft a decent FS.

What is the scouting report on Sims? What have you heard RE Sims not being missed in Seattle?

Anyone.

That "hooked on phonics" line was classic! Any one in particular?

This situation is interesting. Marshall is a terific receiver who makes catches in traffic and of poorly thrown balls as well or better than anyone else. Yes, he does have issues regarding his off-field behavior and occasionally on the field as well, but I wonder how much of that was due to his disenchantment with a new coach and Cutler's exit. He was great even with Orton throwing the ball and has the capacity to make any quarterback look better than he actually is. Even so, I guess I would prefer to stick with the receivers we have if the team's future picks would be impaired,but getting Marshall would not upset me greatly unless he brought too much baggage with him and hurt the team that way.

Madden??? Really??? You should be banned from any football related message boards for making such an absurd comment. This is a perfect example of what happens when parents let video games and DVD players babysit their children.

No question Marshall is worth a little more than a first round draft pick plus something.

It could be the difference between the Bears actually going to and winning the Superbowl or maybe not even winning the Norris Division. Marshall is that much of a talent, he knows Cutler and Cutler knows him, Marshall is just starting to reach his prime, he could be one of the most dominant receivers in the NFL for the next 5-7 years.

Marshall has got to rate as one of the top 5 receivers in the league. With him the Bears would be unstoppable or it would have to take a tremendous defense to stop the Bears with Marshall as the true number 1 the Bears truly need for superiority.

If Angelo could get Marshall, I would quit trashing Angelo with my comments for the entire next season.

Do it JA, get er done, you pulled off one great move with Cutler, make it two with Marshall.

Creighton I used to respect your points of view, but you have gone over the edge with the "Isaid that" and "I told you so" There are 10-20 bloggers who could make the same claim and now with the inclusion of your horrible spelling you have become an annoying blowhard. Those players you dissed are someones friend or family and your disrespectfull rants have become self serving and quite ridiculus. What happened to the knowledgeable insightful fan with a relevant point of view? Can you get rid of the blowhard on the high horse and bring back the other guy? Man who are you?

This would be great for the Bears... Marshall would be no problem off the field and the reunion with Jay.... look out....not sure if McStupid would let him go to the Bears, it would make him look more insane....Loony Bowlen however may let it happen.

If Angie and Lovie Dovie want to keep their jobs, they better keep adding talent to the roster becaue there will be great difficulty drafting decent players. I would love o see Marshall in a ears Uni, but I doubt the Bears will spend the loot. We without a doubt need a nuber 1 receiver and Marshall would be it. I mean could you imaine Marshall on one side, Aromashadu on the other and Bennette rotating with another. Martz would be a pig in crap. But lets not kid ouselves either, we also need some front line protectiong for cutler and the running game. our D also needs a great amount of tweeking as well. I hope we do well, but the great skeptic within me says third spot again. But I hope for the best. Go Bears.

The Bears are not done yet, we will see more moves. What will they be? I guess only Creighton nose (I mean knows) sense hes nose evbreeting. I guess if I'm going to try to imitate the resident blowhole, I should have a couple more shots of Crown Royal.
Go get Marshall, he would definately be worthy of next years number 1. Hopefully, Otogwe holds out until after June 1. I don't think he wants to be a Ram and would like to be playing for Lovie. Can we get Sims? I hope so! Go Bears!!!

Yes...the bears trade away the future draft picks to help save Angelo's and Lovie's job.

They still go 5-11 for the season and get fired at the end of this year....leaving no draft picks for the next regime.

Now there is a novel idea. There is no guarantee that he will work out in this new offense, none.

I got a better idea. Wait till September and you will get him for nothing..assuming the bears are interested.

Not having a 1st round pick this year really stinks. Doing it again will stink even more.

For some reason I think this might be a crazy deal for the Bears to make. Trading there second round, and perhaps a 4th round pick or Brandon Marshall which should counter the trade that the Ravens made to acquire Anquan Bolden, as a matter of fact this would be a better trade than that of Baltimore's only because, For one this would give Marshall a fresh start playing else where, and two, he's been healthy throughout the whole season, unlike Bolden who would get hurt just before the playoffs, and not play in it which might have cost the Cardinals a Super Bowl victory two years ago. So yes, I would say go for this deal, for the Bears only have a couple of needs to make this team a legitimate playoff contender.

Step away from the keyboard and act like you can spell at a 4th grade level. The mere fact that one of the best wide receivers to come into the league in the past 10 years is being compared to Tank Johnson and Cedric Benson is absurd. Speaking of which, both players have been model citizens since moving to new teams.
There are maybe 5 "Brandon Marshall's" in the league. Him, Larry F. in AZ, Calvin J. in DET. S. Rice in MINN, A. Johnson in Houston, And Randy Moss up till 2 years ago. {Maybe Crabtree in the next 2-3 years..we will see.} These are guys that are uncoverable. I don't care who the DB is. They're freaks. The word at the Pro Bowl was that Marshall had cleaned up his act and had been a very good team mate since the blowup with McDaniels in training camp. And since 2 of the 5 guys mentioned are in our division, wouldn't it be nice to have one as well?
One last thing. I am so sick of people bashing the Cutler trade. For starters, no one on here bashed the trade. And second of all, you couldn't find one NFL pundit or analyst who said "what are the Bear's doing"?..they ALL said.."what are the Broncos doing?" Every arrow on Cutler was pointing up. What changed? Maybe the inept coaching staff in Chicago and the lack of overall talent on the team. What would Angelo have done with the 2 first's and 1 third round picks traded for Cutler? Drafted guys with bad knees, backs, or taken guys he could have found 50 picks later.
It seems as though due to the past indiscretions of Marshall's, not many teams are willing to part with a 2010 first round pick. Some of that might be due to the the deep draft from all the JR's coming out. It might only take the Bear's 2011 first and a conditional 5th or 6th. And as I have stated on here and the radio as well, I would then put Hester on the block. Speed does garner draft choices. If you could get a low 2nd or high 3rd for him??...See yah later. My WR's would be Marshall, Aromashodu, and Knox in the slot. 4 WR sets would have Bennett or Iglasias. Anyway, great comment Mick. Everyone have a Happy and safe Easter.

just because someone's illiterate does'nt mean their opinions are'nt as valid as the next man's. I know my keys stick and I rarely go back and correct or use spellcheck so shut up,macho up, and bear down! I beleive we can not fill the holes on our O-line starting with Over-rated Olin. our secondary still needs help. and our hole offense has to learn Martz system. so' to borrow a line from the stinking cubs. Waite til next year!!!!

Brandon Marshall came out and said he would love to be a bear! all the problems with marshall with denver started when they traded his QB Jay Cutler to the bears, he still has a big painting in his house of cutler and him after there first TD! I think it would work out great!! but i don't think lovie and angleo has the balls to do it.

Marshall is definitely elite WR (one of top 5), and would gladly trade next years first rounder for him. But I don't think Angelo will take a risk on him because of supposed character issues.
Angelo is better at later round picks; I think we can all agree on that. This team has a lot of holes to fill. Last year we were blown out of several games (Cinn, Balt, AZ). While I think the Offense will improve, I think the defense has a lot of question marks (esp in the secondary). Bowman is the only bright spot. Manning at FS? "Please say it ain't so Joe!" That has disaster written all over it.

I like the idea. Give me a bad guy who catches a hundred balls. Chicago will embrace him and he will like Chicago so much we will quiet down his attitude and behavior. But why a first. Why not Hester and a second?

I like the idea. Give me a bad guy who catches a hundred balls. Chicago will embrace him and he will like Chicago so much we will quiet down his attitude and behavior. But why a first. Why not Hester and a second?

The Bears will not go after Marshall, while I love his game he doesn't fit the new offense. He isn't fast enough and he doesn't make the quick cuts of smaller recievers. If they do go after him it will not be for this year but next. Rumor has it McDaniel wants a first round pick in the top 15 this year for him. Next years first round pick only holds second round value at this point, why would he take that for Marshall. Doesn't really matter sense he doesn't fit the system. According to Martz "Speed equals space". According to a lot of people speed equals space, Marshall just doesn't fit, as good as he is its not a good match for a big bodied Flancker/Split End.

Deputy if you don't know who the real me is at this point, then you are all but lost already. Then again thats probably not the real you.

Why not? Are the Bears considered 'skilled' at finding players in the first round = answer is NO
Question 2: What are prolific wide out (other than Jerry rice) hasn't been a 'head' case

Don't worry BEARS fans, the BEARs management has a plan that makes sense =
cutting Ron Rivera
cutting Mike Brown
trading for Cutler with no O-line
paying Tommie Harris for 4 years of nothing
and our secret weapon Henry Melton

Not for a 1st rounder. Maybe for next years 2nd and maybe a throw in pick from this year, but not another high pick. No matter if Marshall isn't a good fit in Martz's system, he'd still be a terror with the outside speed of Hester, Knox, and Aroma to compliment him.

Creighton- sorry to beat a dead horse, but you have to stop claiming "it was my idea" like an immature 7-year old. There were probably 10,000 other people saying the same thing. Get off your high horse and come down here with the rest of us commoners.

24/7 Bears- I'm not sure what the deal with Hawk fans saying Sims is trash, cause he was rated as the 8th best guard in the entire NFL by ProFootballFocus.com.

http://profootballfocus.com/by_position.php?tab=by_position&season=2009&pos=G&stype=r&runpass=&teamid=-1&numsnaps=25&numgames=1

Owners need to veto this, why would they allow current GM to trade future away, this handicaps the next head coach and GM.

Put Devin Hester on Kickoffs And Trade THE 2011 FIRST ROUNDER,Devin Hester will give us great field position every game!!and give Cutler & Marshall with mike martz calling the plays and not ron turner Field Position!!DAMM!! OVER 30 POINTS A GAME!!

Dahli,

Calm down, dude. If you get my hopes up before the season starts just to be majorly disappointed again, I'll never forgive you. :)

The Bears still need an offensive line, a better running game, and a defense if they're going to be serious competitors for the Super Bowl. Getting a top receiver like Marshall would certainly help, but this team is not just a player or two away.

Mike Florio is an idiot! Pure & simple & for this publication to post a link to anything of his, especially that involving the Bears trading for Brandon Marshall, makes you guys bigger idiots! Judging by the small amount of comments this silly ass topic hasn't done its job of generating interest anyway. Earn your damn money instead of posting tabloid opinion from a nit wit!

To everyone saying go for this trade, you are all morons!!!

The Offensive line is a much bigger NEED and in several spots. The WR is not a need for the Bears. Our WRs are not the best, but are capable of catching the ball. Devin Aromashodu and Johnny Knox both are good enough to get the job done. However, spending the 2011 1st round pick on something other than an O-lineman or a FS is stupid. Our O-line is in such bad shape, it will only be worse after another year without adding younger talented players to it. Left guard is a much bigger need than Marshall. So is a right tackle. Everyone saw how Cutler had to run for his life most of last season, and so how does trading for a baby like Marshall solve that?

You fans that think WRs are weapons need to learn something about football. How can WRs be weapons when they are so far down the line of importance. First, the QB is the most important, than goes to the O-linemen because they must protect the QB so he can make a good throw. The running backs come in third of importance because they need to be able to read a blitz and help pick it up. So what does that leave, oh yeah, those so called “weapons”. However, without the first three doing their jobs, those so called weapons are worthless.

Some WRs are able to make some great catches or break tackles and score. That’s fine, but remember who the real weapons are, the OFFENSIVE LINEMEN! When you have two WRs already that can make great catches and have break away speed like both Aromashodu and Knox have, than focus on the more important issue, PROTECTING THE QUARTERBACK!!!!!!!

Okay, I have to comment on creighton's april 2nd post. First things first learn to spell! My 9 month year old son can spell better than that. Second, I hope you were drunk when you posted that because if you weren't you really don't know a thing. Third either way you don't know a thing. Fourth, we don't need Marshall nor can we afford him, or afford to lose another first round pick. We don't even know if Cutler will rebound from his worst season ever. Fifth, our horrible young group of recievers aren't that horrible their just young. It took Sydney Rice and Miles Austin three years to be somebody and look at them now. I agree Hester is not a #1 reciever, move him to the slot and let him return all kicks and punts. As for the rest, Bennett has solid hands and Kxox has great speed they both compete for the second spot. Our #1 reciever you forgot to mention, its the other Devin, Devin Amoroshadu, you know the same guy that Cutler told reporters was his favorite target in preseason. The same guy that had two monster games at the end of the year once the Bears finally gave him a chance. Sixth, as far as the whole Rod, Martz, Peppers deal that was all pretty darn obvious right from the begginning so it really pains me to see a shmohawk like you take credit for that. And finally seventh, please tell me why we would take our best cover d-back, one of the best corners in the league, one of our biggest defensive playmakers and move him out of his position now in his career at cornerback and switch him to free safety. I really think that is my all time personal favorite statement of idiotacracy.

Jay Laundry,

I'm glad you pointed out to all the morons that we need a O-line as top priority. I agree.
In saying that, there are other things to consider.
We have a defense that plays cover-none...and every team knows exactly how to play against it. We have a D-line that lost 2 DEs and gained a 1 great one. One still doesn't equal two and there are also issues in the middle. I keep hearing the word "if" when talking about the D-line, too many times out of halas hall and the sports writers of the Suntimes and Trib. One player isn't going to fix the D-Line and a middle round draft pick safety isn't going to fix the backfield this year.
That being said...the bears promote the oh and 16 coach from D-line to DC and for what? Did he fix the D-line like this savior was suppose to? NO. Answer is...no one in the league wanted the job.
Martz on the other hand has to teach and reshape the offense and have it ready to go on all 8 cylinders by september. I that going to happen? Never has been done in the history of the NFL.
To top all of that, the bears have to play 8 opponents that went to the playoffs this past season. All much better teams than the bears. In addition, they also have to play 3 division champs from the 2008 season. That leaves 5 games that they should win and 11 games that they will loose. But wait...of the 5 games that they should win, 2 are with the much improving Lions. If you recall the last game of the season....the lions without their starting young QB, were able to stay with the bears thru the 3rd quarter. This next season, their young QB will be back. The Lions own the 2nd overall pick in the draft (will be picking a tackle) and a very very high second round pick. They will surely be able to address areas of need with these players. What are the chances of the Bears splitting the two games with the Lions? What are the chances of the Bears replacing the lions as the worst team in the NFL?
If all goes well with my predictions, we will see a overhaul of the front office at the end of this season.

I agree with you val, years of absolutely horrid drafting has caught up with this team.There are FAR too many holes to fill in one off season, and giving away another first round pick is the LAST thing Jerry Angelo should be thinking about. At this point, I'm all for trading Hester and Olsen and can't understand why the Bears place such a high value on them. Hester is certainly not a #1 and Olsen has more value as trade bait than he does at TE , since he dosen't block. Offensive linemen, particularly RG and DB's, particularly FS are needed before the Bears can even BEGIN to think they can be legitimate contenders in the NFC North.

If you guys haven't noticed Creighton is trying to say that it wasn't him that wrote that April 2nd post and I'm inclined to believe that it wasn't him. I kind of knew it right off the bat but ,hey , that stuff is allowed on this board and I think it's a crock. Let's be men and post as ourselves. I don't know why an imposter is needed to generate conversation on this board but it's grossly phony. If I have to go thru captcha/craptcha to post and someone can delete my post for language and personal attacks then imposters should be deleted as well. Let's man up and be ourselves. Love or hate a guy be yourself and let's talk about the sport. Guy's why trip about what ifs since there is absolutely no gaurantee of anything about anything. Is there a gaurantee that every single person on opposing teams will play all 16 games? Every year teams lose one ot two players. It might break a team losing one good player. It might happen to anyone, anywhere. There are no gaurantees so why speak as if there are.

What I do not get is that with Marshall you are getting one of the top 5 receivers in the league. With a first round pick next year are you guaranteed to get the same level of talent as you would with Marshall. NOPE, you may even get a bust.
I know the offensive line needs help at particularly Left OG, Center and Right Offensive Guard and getting some youngsters would be good.

The point is this that the Bears could still make this Rob Sims deal happen, the o line would be serviceable not perfect but decent.

I agree with both WRD's comments and dahlillama's. The personal vendetta nonsense simply weakens the whole blog, and people should have enough courage to put their own names on their entries. I suppose that means some loser will put my name on a post, but that's the chance one takes I guess.dahlillama's points about a first round pick being a possible bust is absolutely valid, and he is not overlooking the other important needs. I keep hoping that Williams and some of the new guys will shape up the O line, as well as Martz's play-calling compensating for some of their weaknesses. Good blocking backs and tight ends should also help.

r some of youse guys just addled brained a lil???
Give me a break, HECK YES!
Marshall is probably the top WR in the game besides Fitz when with Cutler, and he's got a little more maturity as a player now, With Cutler now, and the men we just picked up, Our Offense would be unstoppable people, Everyone here knows that. So why would we need a first next year with an unstoppable Offense - thats still young.
Everyone here knows - if the Martz offense is that high powered - whoah....we would have basically the same package as the Rams back in the day! Remember what they did - right? Get that OG and Martz would have his Offense in place.

Except, Florio: shut up (to be nice about it) - about Cutler being a failure, yuo based your entire trade eppisode on the fact that YOU believe that Cutler failed,
Read my lips Florio, Cutler did not Fail - Florio

Go Cutler!!

go dahli!, why people would actually think we are morons (like the movie - mohrons) lol
A 1 for one of the best WR in the game? with a little sugar on top?? Why the F not? Head games? The man was mad AFTER Cutler was gone. And what position will the Bears draft with that 1st? That also leaves a good young WR for trade bait at the draft. We wont draft Oline at that spot. So we better hope we get Oline now as I dont feel we would draft a Guard or Center at No. 1 anyways. We have 3 new Tackles, so what position that we draft in the 1st would be addressed? Thats a high skill RB/WR/QB/OT/DE spot, not any of our needs. So actually that No. 1 would be used on a Safety? Nope we will address that this year. A OG? Nope not till the second, and we still will get one this year, no matter what. A LB? No, we have good LB. A DE? Nope we just dropped one lol, A DT? We better hope not, but maybe...We just drafted that position how many times? So really that Nop. 1 will be traded down anyway, as our needs are not skill positions especially if we grab Marshall. We will get our OG this year, mark that down and Safety at 2,3 or sign. Look at all the chatter about the Bears interest in those 2 positions lately, they will get those this year, and we can still address other needs next year.

First Creighton I was never lost at all second reading is fundemental I said "What happened to the knowledgeable insightful fan with a relevant point of view? Can you get rid of the blowhard on the high horse and bring back the other guy? Man who are you?" never was I lost and yes it is me. Now to football teams are built from the trenches out and that is were we have been taking a beating, Marshall cannot block a DT or a LB so he is only a luxury idea a real idea is two large established young interior offensive linemen not a WR even with Marshall's talent. I'll take two roadgraders over one WR anyday no matter who he is.

The question isn't about how talented Marshall is, most on this board know I am a big fan of his game. The question is does he fit the offense? Marshall makes a living on jump balls and fighting for position, thats not what Martz does. Thats one reason TE's don't work well in his system either, it doesn't take advantage of size matchups, but it does take advantage of speed and flooding a zone defense with more recievers than can be covered properly. Its based on speed and timing, so you need seperation. As good as he is he just doesn't fit the offense, if it was Reggie Wyane that would be another story.

If the deal is out there for a first round pick next year, which I don't think it is, then they could pull the trigger for the move. We all know how bad they are with first round picks. But what I or some would like is not actually what the Bears would like or even need. It probably wouldn't be a great year for Marshall in this system. Moss struggled with the Raiders and a lot of that was the system used. You know some corners are great playing man and some are great playing zone. Bodden was horrible with the Lions but really good with the Pats. Some guys fit in certain systems and some don't. Unless the Bears are going back to a Walsh type system I don't think the Bears will grab him or that he would make a difference in this system. Its not that Marshall isn't great, he is but he doesn't fit really well. Chad Johnson would be a better fit in this system. They could also use more speed at RB as Taylor and Forte are not Burners.

In fact if you look at the old greatest show on turf, that team was to a man better at every starting position except maybe Cutler(and thats a maybe) than the Bears.

Projected Lineup. I use a 3 reciever set because that is the most common set for Martz.

QB Cutler
LT Williams
LG Beekman
C Kruetz
RG Garza
RT Omiyale
WR Knox
WR DA
WR Hester
RB Taylor
TE Manumaleuna

Rams 99-00
QB Warner (Prime)
LT Pace (Prime)
LG Nutten
C McCollum (Better than Olin at this point)
RG Timmerman
RT Tucker (the good one)
WR Bruce
WR Holt
WR Hakim
RB Faulk
TE Williams

You could also argue the Rams had better players on defense that year.
Kevin Carter 17 sacks, he's not Peppers but he was pretty darn good for the Rams. He has had a very productive career and played both End and tackle, at this point in his career he was as good if not better than Peppers is now.
Demarco Farr, playing better than Harris at this point but their careers are very similar.
Grant Winstrom, A solid starting calibur end. The Alex Brown of the Rams. To bad Alex is gone.
London Fletcher, not better than Urlacher, but at this point in his career he was about as effective as Urlacher is now.
Todd Lyght, better than Tillman or Bowman.
Dexter McCleon better than Bowman at this point in his career
FS Kieth Lyle, better than any one on the Bears at safety, easily.

They also had better depth.

When I hear that Brandon Marshall won't fit into Martz's system I have to pick myself up off the floor laughing. Reggie Wayne's 40 time was an unimpressive 4.45. Marshall's was 4.48. All this goes to show is that there is "combine speed" and then there is "game speed." I don't watch all the Denver games, but I have seen enough to know that not only does Marshall catch the 12-15 yard out, but he also runs past people and when he does, he's rarely caught from behind. If Martz couldn't find a place for a guy 6'4" 230# who can't be covered, then he should be fired before the draft. And looking at Martz's track record, I can't see him sticking around much past 2 years and that's if Lovie, Jerry, and the rest of the gang survives. When Walsh was the coach of the 49er's, Rice wasn't a "typical" west coast receiver, but he seemed to flourish {understatement of the year} in Walsh's scheme. The miss-matches Marshall would create, along with the emergence of DA, JK, and the steady improvement of Hester would make the Bear's offense one to be feared.
When you listen to media idiots and ill-informed fans, you think the Bear's lack of draft picks is ALL due to the Cutler trade. But it was the incredibly stupid move to aquire Gaines Adams with a highly coveted 2nd rounder that has screwed this draft for the Bear's. {Based on what Boldin, Lucas, and Cromartie went for this past year, you can see how Angelo got taken to the cleaner's on that one.} If they still had their 2nd round pick, they could do many different things, including trading up into the late first round if they saw a player they liked slip that far.
I wouldn't mind seeing them make a play for Ken Hamlin. He's got good size, and that would let D. Manning play SS and I think he's a much better "in the box" safety than he is a cover safety. Then with the 75th pick you could take either the best Guard {or T} available, or the best WR {provided the Marshall thing doesn't happen.} You can find a starter ready guard in the 3rd round.
One last thing. If the Bear's wanted to get rid of some dead weight and salary. They could move Beekman to Center, cut that idiot, Olin, and move Louis into the LG spot. He or a drafted guard.

I too feel Marshall can fit Martz system as Marshall can catch any ball thrown anywhere near him, that is a feature that right now only Aroma. has for the Bears, The route running does not have to be precise for Marshall bc of that aspect of his game, nor does the pass have to be precise, tell me what that is worth? Surely a No. 1 and sprinkles thrown in.
And I totally agree with gearheatdboye, we basically gave away our 2nd for what? A DE that was maybe worth a 4th, (and in my opinion not worth us picking up at all)
We do have some very good players Creighton, look at Forte/Taylor - They should be as good as Rams had, thats saying alot I know but still they are not slouches by any means, and we have a good LT in Williams who is young, he still is growing, and our TE are better, wait till we get our OG to make judgment on our line. The QB is getting as good as the Rams QB, we have a young team, but they will learn and grow alot this year alone.
Usually I am a half empty type of poster, but when we get our OG/Safety this year, then we will be heads above where we were last 2 maybe even 3 or more years. DT needs to improve their play for us to really go far, but with one of the Top DE in the game along with a new Safety will help DT alot.

Creighton:

I have to respectfully disagree about Marshall not fitting the system. With Hester, Knox and Aromashodu you have plenty of speed and Marshall isn't exactly a slow receiver.

Marshall really reminds me of T.O. when T.O was dominant and Marshall isn't half the flake that T.O. is, I truly believe that Marshall will be a model citizen on his next team which I hope is the Bears.

So, hypothetically lets say the Bears get Marshall, so how do the defenses in the league defend Marshall on one side who can beat probably every corner in the league (except maybe Revis),imagine Aromashodu, Hester and Knox on a four receiver set with Marshall or you pick the receivers who line up with Marshall who should be on the field for the majority of the snaps.

On third downs the Bears would have Chester Tayolor or Forte as receivers or runners, along with the receivers as mentioned above the Bears offense could be pretty much unstoppable.

with Marshall and somehow fixing the LOG and FS position, the Bears will be formidable, maybe capable of doing some things like win the division and possibly causing havoc in the playoff, who knows what else.

With some pass rush pressure off of the edge with Peppers, the D will be good as long as injuries do not derail this team. The linebackers are good and Peppers will make the defensive backs better than they actually are which is still OK. except

Yes, the Bears have some weaknesses, which I believe is the three stooges of Lovie, Angelo and Phillips in that order and an owner in the McCaskey family that should sell to a real owner that will win with the team for the great city of Chicago.

I am tired of below a mediocre performance of the last three years as should every Bear fan in the world.

i agree with randy! would you rather see the Bears spend alot of money on a unproven college player or a player like Marshall?that cutler had alot of success with!and its not like hes old hes young and in his prime!

Creighton:

I have to respectfully disagree about Marshall not fitting the system. With Hester, Knox and Aromashodu you have plenty of speed and Marshall isn't exactly a slow receiver.

Marshall really reminds me of T.O. when T.O was dominant and Marshall isn't half the flake that T.O. is, I truly believe that Marshall will be a model citizen on his next team which I hope is the Bears.

So, hypothetically lets say the Bears get Marshall, so how do the defenses in the league defend Marshall on one side who can beat probably every corner in the league (except maybe Revis),imagine Aromashodu, Hester and Knox on a four receiver set with Marshall or you pick the receivers who line up with Marshall who should be on the field for the majority of the snaps.

On third downs the Bears would have Chester Tayolor or Forte as receivers or runners, along with the receivers as mentioned above the Bears offense could be pretty much unstoppable.

with Marshall and somehow fixing the LOG and FS position, the Bears will be formidable, maybe capable of doing some things like win the division and possibly causing havoc in the playoff, who knows what else.

With some pass rush pressure off of the edge with Peppers, the D will be good as long as injuries do not derail this team. The linebackers are good and Peppers will make the defensive backs better than they actually are which is still OK. except

Yes, the Bears have some weaknesses, which I believe is the three stooges of Lovie, Angelo and Phillips in that order and an owner in the McCaskey family that should sell to a real owner that will win with the team for the great city of Chicago.

I am tired of below a mediocre performance of the last three years as should every Bear fan in the world.

YESS dahlillama!! I AGREE!!THANK YOU!!

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