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Picking a combination of players for the Bears' top 2 picks

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Time to get down to projections. Mock drafts are fun and provide plenty of fodder for discussion. When it comes to projecting to No. 49 and then to No. 99, where the Bears are selecting, that's madness. But we're going to give it a shot. First, our wild guess at the top 10.

1. Detroit, Matthew Stafford. Hey, we got one right.

2. St. Louis, Jason Smith. Didn't take long to replace Orlando Pace.

3. Kansas City, Tyson Jackson. This is what you call a selection in no-man's land.

4. Seattle, Aaron Curry. The Seahawks' defense got bad in a hurry.

5. Cleveland, Mark Sanchez. As much buzz as there is with him, he has to be drafted in the top 5, right?

6. Cincinnati, Andre Smith. Bengals get the lineman scouts believe is the most talented.

7. Oakland, Jeremy Maclin. Elite ability as a return man gives him the edge over Michael Crabtree.

8. Jacksonville, Michael Crabtree. Jaguars badly need some help at this position.

9. Green Bay, Malcom Jenkins. Packers need some youth in secondary and get the draft's best defensive back.

10. San Francisco, Brian Orakpo. The Niners get a pass rusher.


Now, let's get to business with the Bears' picks. The whole issue here is what kind of combination of players general manager Jerry Angelo can get with his first two selections. He and coach Lovie Smith have talked about the expectation for players to come in and contribute immediately and they're looking at these first two picks for that. Knowing that makes it easier for us to target positions--wide receiver on offense and defensive line and secondary on defense. Could someone emerge from elsewhere? Sure, if the Bears have a really strong grade on someone that is too good to pass up, but to project that we could be here from now until the Bears are on the clock about 24 hours from now and not hit on the right guy.

College scouting director Greg Gabriel talks in terms of a combination of players and by that he means what kind of receiver can the Bears get at 49 vs. 99? What is the difference at other positions? For weeks now we have hashed and rehashed the different receivers and defensive backs that could be in play for the Bears. It's been more difficult turning up defensive linemen that could be options. The Bears have a specific profile they seek. Missouri defensive tackle Ziggy Hood is an interesting guy. At end, it's hard to find a player that looks like a fit. Georgia Tech's Michael Johnson doesn't look like a match. Utah's Paul Kruger might not be enough of a pass rusher. It will be interesting to see what impact new line coach Rod Marinelli has on the process.

So let's go over some possible combinations. One source said he expects some downward pressure on receivers in this draft. In other words, he says Maclin, Crabtree and Percy Harvin might be the only wide receivers to go in the first round. If that happens, you'll see a rush on wideouts early in the second round and it's a matter of waiting to see what falls to the 17th pick and the Bears at 49. Among Darrius Heyward-Bey, Hakeem Nicks, Kenny Britt, Brian Robiskie and Mohamed Massaquoi, how many slip through to the Bears?

How does this look?

No. 49--Mohamed Massaquoi, WR, Georgia
No. 99--Sherrod Martin, CB, Troy

I don't know if Martin goes that far down the board, but by the time the Bears would come back on the clock the safeties they could target at No. 49--Missouri's William Moore and Oregon's Patrick Chung--could be long gone.

Let's say there isn't a push down the board on wide receivers and all the ones we've mentioned above are gone. Badly needing a wide receiver, do the Bears select the ninth wideout in the top 49 picks, or do they go elsewhere?

No. 49--William Moore, S, Missouri
No. 99--Kevin Ogletree, WR, Virginia

The Bears like Oklahoma's Juaquin Iglesias, but there is a big gap between 49 and 99 and he'll likely go in there. Florida's Louis Murphy could be off the board by then. It's a roll of the dice.

So, what's your combination of players for the Bears with the first two picks?

We'll get to Four Down Territory here in a little bit and then we're going to take a little break.

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Brad,

I think you're right on the money that the Bears will pick some combo of DL, secondary, or WR. Although it's impossible to tell what the draft pool will look like at 8pm tomorrow night, my bet right now is the Bears' recent luck will run out on draft day. If no major moves are made by teams at the end of the first round, I see either Miami, New York, or Tennessee starting the run on WR that will carry over into the 2nd round. This means the likes of Nicks, Britt and Robiske will be long gone by pick 49. Knowing Angelo's history, I see him picking a DT like Hood, or reaching for a DE (hopefully not in the Dan Bazuin mold) to give Rod Marinelli a player to develop. With pick 99 I think the Bears then take the best WR on the board and wait to fill safety until the later rounds, where they've actually found somewhat consistent success in recent drafts. Of course, this prediction will likely be completely wrong, but that's the beauty of the NFL Draft!

Prediction: Pick 49-Ziggy Hood, DT, Mizzou
Pick 99-Louis Murphy, WR, Florida

Ryan Y.
Columbus, OH

It has GOT to go safety then wideout (unless an absolute stud WR is available). The upgraded O-Line and the addition of Cutler will automatically make the offense better (not to mention Forte will be a year older and wiser!).

BUT, what have they done to fix their dismal defense? Practically nothing (in fact one could argue they've gotten WORSE with the release of Mike Brown).

SO, if they want to win games in this division, they're going to HAVE to improve their D. And I honestly think that a 99th overall safety is unlikely to fit the bill. Sure, they could get lucky, but I don't think you can leave it up to that.

Everyone is talking about NFC North Championships and Super Bowls and whatnot, but unless the defense gets a LOT better, not even the almighty Cutler will be able to put up the 30+ points every game it will take to win.

(Sorry, Lovie, I don't believe that you calling the plays is going to make that much of a difference)

"It will be interesting to see what impact new line coach Rod Marinelli has on the process."

Hopefully he doesn't go anywhere near Angelo on draft day. I know position coaches have some say on the draft choices, and if that's the case, Marinelli has nothing to speak of. I put together a list of high (rds 1-3) draft picks the Bucs used on d-linemen during Marinelli's tenure there:

1996 1st round (12th overall) - Regan Upshaw, DE. Spent a whopping total of 4 years with the Bucs. Has a career avg. of 4.3 sacks per season.

1996 1st round (22nd overall) - Marcus Jones, DT. Totaled 24 sacks for his six year career. All with the Bucs.

1999 1st round (15th overall) - Anthony "Booger" McFarland. Spent 7 years with the Bucs (hey, that could actually count as a successful pick!). Has a career avg. of 2.5 sacks per season (wait, never mind).

2003 2nd round (64th overall) - Dewayne White. 4.5 sack per season. Nothing special with Tampa, somewhat decent with Detroit.

And for all the Rodaholics out there who point and scream at Warren Sapp as proof that Marinelli descended from the heavens to temporarily coach defensive lines here on earth, Sapp was drafted in '95, a year before he joined the Bucs.

This guy is a fraud! Why is everyone so high on him????
Not to say Marinelli was the sole reason these guys were selected, but he did have some input on their selection. And he did "coach them up!" as some people have clamored.

By comparison, Tommie Harris has a carrer avg. of 4.9 sacks per season. Alex Brown averages 5.3. Wale Ogunleye averages 7.1 sacks per season in his five years with the Bears. Even Mark Anderson has an avg. of 6 sacks per season.

Ok. here we go.

49. Massaquio/Iglesias
99. D.Bruton/C.clemmons

or.

49. L.Delmas/Rashad Johnson
99. Mike Wallace/Kevin Ogletree

GO BEARS!!!

I'm going out on a limb:

#49 Phil Loadholt OT/OG

#99 Kevin Ogeltree WR

No matter what happens it's a great draft. They got a Franchise QB! How many teams have been looking for years with no success.

Just for fun;

#6. Bears trade Matt Forte to Bengals and pick OT Andre Smith.

#28. Bears trade Frank Omiyale and 2010 2nd or 3rd pick to Buffalo for C/OG Alex Mack.

#49. Pick OG Duke Robinson.

In later rounds Bears draft a RB good enough to help us win 3 Superbowls.

And we're off to a DYNASTY!

GO BEARS!


49. Michael Johnson, DE-Georgia Tech
99. Kevin Ogletree, WR-Virginia
We will take the best DB on the board in 4, and then take Mitchell with one of the 5ths, and use the other one on Alex Magee, DT-Purdue

This is assuming that the Rams take a WR with their second rounder, which will start the run on wideouts earlier than we want.

If the Rams stay on defense in round 2, we will take:

49. Massaquoi, unless by some miracle Nicks falls to 49
99. Clemons, FS-Clemson

We will take one of the developmental DEs late, like Westerman or Melton in the 5th with the pick from Denver, and the other will be on another wideout, like Kinder.

Strange how St. Louis is going to control the direction of each of the first two rounds. If Spags get his way, the Rams will go about building the DL early and often. He wants a DE on the other side of Long, and needs a DT to play next to Carriker. He will probably wait until round 2 to take the DE (Michael Johnson or Connor Barwin, unless someone like English slides), and then try and get the DTs in the 4th and 5th. They will need a wide receiver, but I see Barden in the early 3rd, or Patrick Turner, so he gets his Burress to play opposite Avery.

How about S. Smith from Utah at 49 (6'2" with corner speed and cover skills) and M. Wallace or B. Gibson at 99.

Plus, don't discount moving up 5-7 spots using the 4th pick in 5th round if H. Nicks finds himself sliding into the 40's and then looking to convert big corners like Bradley from Iowa or Underwood from Cinci to free safety at 99. (Remember these last two names cause I think you'll see them: they have the big size JA said he's looking for and they have flexibility to play corner.)

No way Martin or McBath will be there at 99.

Ok fellows I'll take a stab, what the HELL it's draft time....

49-DE-Michael Johnson-G. Tech
99-WR-Ramses Barden-Cal-Poly 1st option

49-S-Louis Delmas-W. Mich
99-WR-Massaquoi-Georgia 2nd option

49-S-William Moore-Missouri
99-WR-Kevin Ogletree-Virginia

At this point to me any combination of these six players and we should have at least one start and get production from the other this season......Go BEARS...

Dream scenario
#49-Hakeem Nicks
#99-Darcel MacBeth

I'd be really happy with
#49-Brian Robiskie
#99-Lawrence Sidbury JR
(followed by a FS in rd 4)

Others i'd like
#49-Rashard Johnson/William Moore
#99-Ramses Barden/Brandon Gibson
(and add Ogeltree in the 4th or 5th)

#49-Michael Johnson/Ziggy Hood
#99-Ramses Barden/Brandon Gibson
(and add Bruton or another FS in 5th)


what do you guys think..i think all of these combo's are solid..however JA will probably draft someone that none of us expected in the 2nd haha...i can see him picking Inglesias.

On that # 6 pick that we trade and get from the Bengals; if we don't trade Forte then Chris Williams would need to go. And then we have to give up picks as well. I just said Forte because it's an easier trade.

And I believe we just need a good running back to win, not a Superstar. Because with our brand new fantastic run blocking O-line whoever would replace Forte should have a rather easy time getting yards. And that's why a low round pick has a good chance to succeed. Not to mention what the Bears already have.

Once you have an "Elite O-line" with Cutler, I think you need to see how it works out with the other players you have on offense. You may not need new WR's or RB's except for depth. See what you have first then make changes if you have to.

IT CAN BE DONE! BUILD THE DYNASTY!

49-Brian Robiskie WR Ohio St.
99-Brandon Williams DE Texas Tech.

49-Hakeem Nicks WR NC
99-T.J. Lang OT E Michigan

49-Juaquin Iglesias WR OU
99-Sherrod Martin FS Troy

49-Brian Robiskie WR Ohio St.
99-Brandon Williams DE Texas Tech.

49-Hakeem Nicks WR NC
99-T.J. Lang OT E Michigan

49-Juaquin Iglesias WR OU
99-Sherrod Martin FS Troy

Lets try this on for size.
49-Bryd/FS/Oregon
99-Collie/WR/BYU

If we go receiver with the first pick

49-Massaquoi/WR/Georgia
99-Moala/DT/USC
Then we take Burton/FS/ND with the 4th round pick.

Here's my mock for this weekend.

2nd rd Mohamed Massaquoi Georgia wr 6-2 210lbs
3rd rd T.J Lang E. Michigan ot 6-4 316lbs
4th rd David Bruton Notre Dame fs 6-2 219lbs
5th rd Zack Follett California lb 6-2 236lbs
5th rd Vance Walker Georgia Tech dt 6-2 304lbs
6th rd Pierre Walters E. Illinois de 6-4 269lbs
7th rd Ellis Lankster W.Virgina cb 5-11 191lbs
7th rd Taurus Johnson USF wr 6-0 201lbs

Chicago will take Brian Robiskie of Ohio State if he falls to #49, but in the end, I don't think he'll make it past Miami at #44. I like Massaquoi, he did have his drops early in his career, but that wasn't a problem this season. Had a streak of 33 games with at least one catch. Chicago needs a split end that could come in this season and help. I think Massaquoi could be that player. A scouting report on Massaquoi says he has no trouble digesting a complicated playbook, this is key for the Bears. He's a big physical prototypical split end with smarts. I think he could help out this coming season. I wouldn't wait to take a receiver in the 3rd at #99, the Bears need help now, and Massaquoi might be their best bet, we'll see. Lang in the third would be a great pick and allow the Bears to bring in another young lineman to develop. The rest of the way I went defense with players like Bruton, Walker and Follett, Chicago needs a lot of help on defense. It should be a very intersting day, I see the $hity Lions made the right choice already, oh well GO ANGELO!! GO BEARS!!

I see the Bears trading down to the bottom of the 2nd round. The run on WRs could encourage them to do so, and still get "their guy" at a more appropriate slot. I don't see a decent DL guy falling, but I really hope I'm wrong about this because I would love the Bears to go D for the right guy at 49. They know they need WR, and may not want to risk the next best guy at 99.

So add a pick. That being said:

60: Iglesias WR
99: Sherrod Martin FS

Or

49: Michael Johnson DE
99: Ogletree WR

Or

49: Massaquoi WR
99: Best D available

I'm on board with Joe I would just add in the 5th Sammie Lee Hill from Stillman NT 6'3" 330 lbs. as my future NT move Harrison to rotation with Harris that's a solid tackle rotation of Hill and Adams at NT and Harrison and Harris at 3 tech Johnson being groomed for Wale's spot. Melton is a good call also could be that strong-side/situational rush specialist and special teamer.

Protect the QB said
"On that # 6 pick that we trade and get from the Bengals; if we don't trade Forte then Chris Williams would need to go. And then we have to give up picks as well. I just said Forte because it's an easier trade."

Wow!!! We are trying to build a better team not tear it down before its built. Why would you move a player that you know can play (Forte) for a player that has no history of NFL success? Do you have any idea how fortunate we were to find a running back in the 2nd round with Forte’s skill set? You might want to get the benefits of this very, very good player for a few years before you even think about such a scenario. Hopefully it will be several years from now. Again Wow!!!

Forte's value may never be higher than right now. We can win 3 Superbowls without him. Trust me, he can be replaced.

Talents like C/OG Mack and OT Smith won't be there next year or the year after that. They only come around once every 5-10 years if not longer. Smith is the "next Orlando Pace". You've got to give value to get value.

But things are heating up if you want the "Elite" talent that is OT Andre Smith. We may have to trade with Cleveland for the 5th pick and send Forte there. They seem eager to trade.

Yahoo Sports reports: By Jason Cole

"NEW YORK – The Cincinnati Bengals are expected to select former Alabama OT Andre Smith with the sixth overall pick, even if more highly regarded tackles Jason Smith or Eugene Monroe fall to them, according to two sources with the organization.

...the Bengals sources are at least saying that team officials think Smith is the best tackle on the board.

"By far, it's not even close," one team source said.

Many people predict that Smith, once considered a possibility for the No. 1 overall pick in the draft, would fall out of the top 10 and cost himself close to $30 million. While Smith is still losing millions at No. 6, he stands to get more than $20 million guaranteed at that spot."

BUILD THE DYNASTY JERRY!

Yes, Cleveland is looking to deal!

From Yahoo Sports April 20:

"Survey: Browns looking to move down

By Jason Cole

Three NFL coaches interviewed by Yahoo! Sports during the weekend said they believe the Cleveland Browns are most interested in trading out of the top 10 of the NFL draft, which starts Saturday.

"Every team in the top 10, especially the first seven picks, are at least doing the 'If you're interested, we'll listen' speech,' " one AFC head coach said. "You know what that means, 'Please take our pick.' … [but] Cleveland is the most motivated.

Cleveland wants more picks because they want to do a complete makeover on the offense and upgrade the defense. Everything is in play with the Browns, Braylon Edwards, their pick, everything."

Yes, a "DYNASTY" CAN be built!

GO BEARS! MACK, SMITH, ROBINSON---VICTORY!

This is a repost. I'm not sure the first went through.

Yes, Cleveland is looking to deal!

From Yahoo Sports April 20:

"Survey: Browns looking to move down

By Jason Cole

Three NFL coaches interviewed by Yahoo! Sports during the weekend said they believe the Cleveland Browns are most interested in trading out of the top 10 of the NFL draft, which starts Saturday.

"Every team in the top 10, especially the first seven picks, are at least doing the 'If you're interested, we'll listen' speech,' " one AFC head coach said. "You know what that means, 'Please take our pick.' … [but] Cleveland is the most motivated.

Cleveland wants more picks because they want to do a complete makeover on the offense and upgrade the defense. Everything is in play with the Browns, Braylon Edwards, their pick, everything."

Yes, a "DYNASTY" CAN be built!

GO BEARS! MACK, SMITH, ROBINSON---VICTORY!

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