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Tag, you're it: Rams safety Atogwe not an option in free agency

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Go ahead and take another name off the list of potential impact free agents the Bears could have targeted to fill one of their several needs.

St. Louis announced it has placed the franchise tag on safety Oshiomogho (O.J.) Atogwe, meaning he's out of the picture. Atogwe was considered the top safety heading to the free-agent market but there are some scouts who don't believe he's in an elite category.

Bears running back Matt Forte blew past him on a long run at St. Louis during the regular season and considering the premium teams pay in free agency (see the $33 million, six-year deal Madieu Williams got in Minnesota last year or the $39 million, six-year deal Gibril Wilson got in Oakland for examples), missing on Atogwe might not be the worst thing that happens to the Bears in free agency. Yes, he'd be an instant upgrade over anything the team has but at what cost?

That leaves Tampa Bay's Jermaine Phillips as one possible target but he's played strong safety for the Bucs and the Bears have a greater need at free safety. The Bucs made it official and will use their franchise tag on wide receiver Antonio Bryant. Re-signing Phillips is one of the priorities for them in the next week but it might not get done.

The deadline for franchise tags is 3 p.m. Thursday. Keep an eye on Julius Peppers in Carolina. Stay tuned.

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With the economy the way it is now these players getting the TAG are lucky most pure free agents have a rude awakenng ahead of them as the offers they get will not be what they hope for, the list of available players could present some bargains for the BEARS to shop with, BRAD fire up that list once things settle down so we can review to see which bloggers can find a bargain to buy for the BEARS......There are plenty of manhole covers in Chicago to remind all of us who we are rooting for the BEARS on the blog, spending outrageous sums of cash on players is not and never has been The BEARS style.....I know, I know, some of you say that why we have not won a Super Bowl in 25 years, but that's not really the truth, it about knowing what we do and doing it well, look at the Steelers, Pats, and Giants all doing well and fiscally responsible, look at the Raiders, Broncos, and Redskins for examples of teams with deep pocketbooks, no identity, and a lack of Wins.....this guy may have been a player but with the tag he's stuck, guys like McAllister, Leftwich, Garcia, Our own Mike Brown, and others with something to prove will be the steals this season for the G.M. that makes the right moves my hope is that the pow-wow Lovie and the boys had targeted what we need and they have the balls to try and get it, we need a playmaker on defense, another lineman, darn snit Tait how about 1 more season, a receiver (no sh_t) and someone to get to the QB, man I feel like I'm making a x-mas list for Santa, still we draft well normally so if we pick up some solid bargain priced Free agents we can make a run at the playoffs anything less and spring cleaning may be coming to Chicago in 2010....Go BEARS

After further review......Orton still SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

In my opinion, I think the Bears would be better off drafting a safety, and signing a free agent tackle, someone young enough that could be around awhile, not a stop gap type. I say go after Miami's Vernon Carey, Carolina's Jordan Gross, or maybe Atlanta RFA Tyson Clabo. Any one of these tackles could come in and start for Chicago at right tackle, and are all NFL proven, unlike a draft pick would be.

Angelo has proven in the past he can bring in a rookie safety that can start, and I don't see why he couldn't do it again this year. Theres a couple possibilities in Alabama's Rashad Johnson or Western Michigan's Louis Delmas, one of these guys should be available for the Bears in the second round.

Even if Chicago does sign a free agent tackle, they will still have to draft one, just not as early. A tackle I like later in the draft is Kent state's Augustus Parrish, Parrish has nice size at 6-6 308lbs, and scouts say he is one of the more athletic linemen in the country and an effective run blocker. Parrish could be a good one for the Bears to bring in and develop while someone like St.Clair holds the right tackle spot down for a season.

In the end signing a free agent tackle would open a lot of things up for the Bears draft wise, and allow them to focus on other needs, like FS, WR, and the defensive line. Also, I agree that it might not be a good idea to go into the season with two rookie tackles, Chris Williams will basically be a rookie this year, having an established free agent to line up opposite of him might be a better idea than going with two rookies. GO BEARS!!

Well put chitownbear. I cannot wait until next Friday to finally see what they will do and how aggressive the team will be. Lovie says we are a few pieces away and here on this blog we all know what they are. Taits pending retirement definately puts some strains on what the team will do.

Team Checklist:
RT many in draft and FA
WR only ones worthwhile are via trade and draft. FA is terrible.
FS the FA list keeps shrinking so draft may be only solution if so draft 2
DE draft
G draft or FA
SLB draft

GO BEARS

Tomk4054.....I agree with your list, but you're forgetting the most important position.....QB!!!!!..We must fix that position or we will be nothing but average-below average....Let's hope the Viqueens don't before we do!!!!!!!!!!

Bears need to target two x-Phins, V. Carey at RT and Y. Bell at FS. Also go after M. Jenkins from Atlanta. He's not a star, but he would give them a big, possession receiver opposite Hester. These 2 signings would give them a lot of flexiblity in the draft, plus would help fill our most glaring needs. Then I'd still look to trade down in draft to gain even more depth in all areas. BE AGGRESSIVE ANGELO! THE FANS AND TEAM DESERVE IT!!!!

Neck Beard,

Until you have something constructive to write, will you please refrain from writing at all. Your name and your tired comments are offensive. Besides, while Orton isn't great when compared to other teams' QBs, he's nowhere near the worst we've had here in the last, well, (nearly) 90 years . . .e specially the last 20.

Tomk,

Maybe you can do the drafting for us.

Kevin why would you draft a saftie in round one? As it stands there is not a saftie in this draft that anyone thinks is a first round pick. You might as well just waste the pick. Gross is all but signed with Carolina. Oh and Vernon Carey blows, Miami was forced to use the Wildcat offense because there line could not hold up in the running game. Dude he sucks. Franchise tag is flying around the NFL today. Kevin if the Bears were better at drafting they wouldn't need to go into free agency and would not have all these holes.

Chi, what do you mean the Bears draft well normally? They suck at drafting why do you think there in this mess. There thin at every position and have not drafted a pro bowl position player in 5 years. Your saying they draft well at the same time your saying they have a lot of holes. They have a lot of holes because they suck at drafting.

For news on what the Bears are doing, two of the guys they spoke to today at the combine are Mike Oher and Phil Loadholt. It looks like Peppers has been taged for 16 mil, Suggs is also taged, and Haynesworth is looking for more than 12 million a year and 30 mil guaranteed. From what I have read recently the Bears are not actually 100 percent on Williams and asked both Oher and Loadholt if they could play both Tackle positions if they needed to. There first interview at the combine was with Oher, so that may give you an idea as to what direction they are looking at drafting Oher is a first round talent and Loadholt is 1-2 rd talent. Oher said he had a good interview. Oher is inconsistant but probably has the most talent. But the Bears are definatly looking at guys who they think can play both tackle positions.

The teams top needs are in this order:
1. WR
2. OT
3. DE
4. FS
5. C/G
6. LB
7. NT
Combine value+need+avalability and you will have there pick.

Tom was smart not to put QB on the list, the Bears are not looking for one in this draft and are giving the starting job to Orton this year. Wait till next year for yet another QB change.

All you bloggers are blind & dumb...........ORTON SUCKS!!!!....You'll see!!!!!!!!

Now appearently the Panthers have tagged Peppers, and Boldin has had a change of heart about the cardinals. The choices are running absurdely thin. And the money the players presently demand on the FA market, the Bears are not remotely going to produce. The vikings though for some reason, don't seem to have a problem with spending money on some valuable players, though some might say their spending like drunken sailors on players (no pun intended with their name) is what will be their main problem with their upcoming stadium saga with the state. Can't wait to see how that unfolds.

NeckBeard....you are a rude and crude dude....but I think you are right.....we will be an average team with Orton as our starter....I would like to see Hanie get a good, long, fair, look this training camp!

Creighton, thanks dude, with the last two sentences of your last blog "...the Bears are not looking for one (QB) in this draft.....Wait till next year for yet another QB change.."...You are saying what I'm saying...ORTON SUCKS....why waste another year of this crap??????...CHANGE QB'S NOW!!!!!!....you all know I'm right, you're just scared to admit it...just like Jerry and the boys.....ORTON SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

NeckBeard relax man, there are some people like myself who don't like Orton and there are some who like him. You can combine all us and you still couldn't change or keep the QB. It's not my call it's Angelo and Lovie's call and there is the root of your problem. There hanging there hat on Orton and there draft picks this year. IMO let emm do it, the quicker they do that, the faster there gone, the sooner we can get a real GM and Head Coach. There are a lot of Coaches and potential GM's waiting to be hired by the Bears.

Anyway the Combine has started and the draft is a couple months away, thats all I am focusing on in terms of Bear football. Most big name FA are not even hitting the market and the franchise tag is flying around. If you want to talk football, and the Bears this a is good enough place to do it. If you want to say Orton sucks all day long go ahead, but throw in your two sense on the team or the draft or the combine or other players. Fine you don't like Orton but who do you like? Is s there a FA QB out there your high on or is there a guy in the draft you like. What about the OT position? Or WR, DE, LB CB, FS, C, OG lots of needs lots of other things to talk about. Don't need to focus on old Good ankle bad ankle Kyle 100% of the time.

By the way when I have to tell someone to relax it's a pretty bad sign, breath dude, just breath. Being a Bear fan is like passing a kidney stone, it's painful.

Creighton, if you look at the roster you will see it is filled with draft picks by Angelo, most of them on the field are playing well, yes we have holes as I said they are coming from players getting old (Tait), not stepping up (Anderson), injured (Mike Brown, williams), or satisfied with the money they got (Vasher).....come on man I know you have some hard feelings based on mistakes clearly made by Angelo Grossman, Haynes, Roosevlet Williams, to name a few but the roster Bears out my point, have you forgotten names like Hester, Payne,Grahman, even Beekman has got on the field and produced..... all angelo draft picks by the way, and there are others also.....Now for where we agree, I too think its a no-brainer this year o-line 1st round, with ability to play both sides, and look to strong-arm Tait into another year need to have solid line play if Kyle is to have any chance at a good season that's for sure.....I think we can get McAllister and would like to see us do with him what the Raiders did with Rod Woodson and move him to free with a starting job and guaranteed 3yr deal around 14-19 million with bonus that would quickly shore up the back-end and allow for Tillman and Payne to play their best spots...as for other additions I'll wait till the rest of the list comes out, but to me McAllister is target number 1 on the d-side of the ball........

Creighton,

WR is the LAST position we need to draft!!! After the QB on your list, I think its a good list. QB, OL, DE or FS would be the top priorities, however, their's not a good FS in this years draft, at least to use a first day pick on.

I still like our defensive line, especially, having Coach Marinelli to get Tommie Harris' head on straight and work with Mark Anderson. Last year's 3rd round pick, DT Marcus Harrison will be a stud and probably a future Pro-Bowler. I would like Mel Kiper's pick LSU DE Tyson Jackson but think OT is the priority. I can only DREAM of the Bears using back-to-back 1st round picks on Offensive Tackles, how great that would be for Matt Forte and Hanie.

AGAIN, Free Saftey is the top priority, but that's going to have to wait. All we have on the team as of now are SS, if we keep Manning as a KR.

I want the Bears to began working towards Caleb Hanie becoming the starter, he's got a good arm, he's accurate, a good head and seems to have good field presence. He made great decisions in last year's preseason games. I don't care if it was a bunch of 8th string players, that doesn't really affect those things I mentioned. I DON'T know if he is the future, but he needs to be given a shot. Orton is NOT the future. He has a good head, but lacks the mechanics.

Back to this WR notion. Are you going to make me give several examples of why WRs are OVERRATED and should NEVER be 1st round picks? How about Calvin Johnson for the Lions (and their many other 1st round WR picks), how about all three stud WRs the Cardinals have, how about when the Giants beat the Patriots in the SuperBowl? In all of these examples, the WR counted for nothing or could not help the team win. Adding an ALL-PRO WR will do NOTHING for the Bears if we do NOT have a QB and an Offensive line!!! Again, how does a WR help when the QB can't make plays or is on his ass?! It starts with the QB and not the WR, as Mr. Angelo said.

BTW, I DO believe the Bears have drafted well the last couple years and have drafted players I think will be future ALL-PROs. TE Greg Olsen, TE Kellen Davis, CB Zachery Bowman (health is a major question but GREAT Talent), Chris Williams (my favorite pick), SS Kevin Payne, CB Corey Graham and DT Marcus Harrison. Oh yeah, can't forget RB Matt Forte!

Creighton: "Kevin why would you draft a saftie in round one? As it stands there is not a saftie in this draft that anyone thinks is a first round pick."

Au contraire! I believe Mizzou's William Moore at 6'1" and 230 has great range and ball hawking ability. I had him rated over USC's Taylor Mays and I am a huge USC fan. If Jeremy Maclin is gone at 18 then pull the trigger on his teammate Moore. In the 2nd round there is still a chance that Chicago could land a big, intermediate WR in Brian Robiskie or Kenny Britt.

Also, thanks for the insight on the combine interviews.

"The teams top needs are in this order:
1. WR
2. OT
3. DE
4. FS
5. C/G
6. LB
7. NT
Combine value+need+avalability and you will have there pick."

No ... combine value+need+availability and you have a NORMAL INTELLIGENT PICK. When it's Jerry Angelo drafting you have a better chance of playing pin the tail on the bust or drawing names out of a damn hat.

Creighton, you said something like let them screw up so they are gone faster so the Bears can get a real GM and coach.

What makes you think with Mike "Manhole Cover" McCaskey as owner that the next first timers brought in for the job will be any better than the current?

McCaskey is the root of the problem. The Bears could win a total of 3 games the next 2 seasons and McCaskey would not be willing to "eat" the remaining money on their respective contracts. He has sabotaged the team since Halas died. He wanted Ditka gone the minute he took over. He fired Ditka the soonest he could despite the coach averaging 10 wins per year.

He has absolutely no idea about what to do with this team, and only has a Superbowl ring from inheriting Halas's brilliance of choosing a great set of front office personnel. The Bears will win again when McCaskey is dead.

Though I hope he doesn't die, I wish he would just sell the team. But he is a smart business guy. Why spend a ton if the fans show up anyways? Why risk overspending if the fans will buy any and all Bears products regardless? He doesn't have to, and he knows it. He will always settle for less so his profit margin is bigger. I guess I can't blame him, but why not sell for 1 billion dollars to someone passionate about the team, the city, and giving the die hard fans of Chicago a winneer? Can't he live on 1 billion the rest of his life?

Whatever. It ain't gonna happen. Angelo will again pick the only tackle picked in the first round to not start the first season. There will be no pro-bowlers just like in the past because McCaskey knows that players with injury histories will settle for less money.

Too bad.

Oh well.

Go Bears

Jay: "I still like our defensive line, especially, having Coach Marinelli to get Tommie Harris' head on straight and work with Mark Anderson. Last year's 3rd round pick, DT Marcus Harrison will be a stud and probably a future Pro-Bowler. I would like Mel Kiper's pick LSU DE Tyson Jackson but think OT is the priority."

First, Tyson Jackson is a RUN STUFFING defensive end on a team that CAN'T GET TO THE QUARTERBACK! Jackson is not a pass rusher so why would you like that pick? More importantly, why would "expert" Mel Kiper think the Bears would like that pick??

Second, what is with this idea that Rod Marinelli will go from Capt of the Titanic to Chicago Bear defensive line savior? I have posted several times about the first round talent that comprised the Tampa Bay defensive lines of old. If he can get the line playing better I'm all for it. It just seems to me it's another body to help Lovie rearrange the deck chairs on this Titanic.

"BTW, I DO believe the Bears have drafted well the last couple years and have drafted players I think will be future ALL-PROs. TE Greg Olsen, TE Kellen Davis, CB Zachery Bowman (health is a major question but GREAT Talent), Chris Williams (my favorite pick), SS Kevin Payne, CB Corey Graham and DT Marcus Harrison. Oh yeah, can't forget RB Matt Forte!

I cannot even begin to address how full of FAIL this statement is ... Here are DAY 1 picks in the last 3 years:

2006
2 Daniael Manning - a good nickelback and return man but never going to be a full-time starter.
2 Devin Hester - great return man turned mediocre wide receiver. If he improves at WR I still don't see this guy being an elite guy but I hope I'm wrong.
3 Dust Dvoracek - May make the NFL ALL-IR team!

2007
1 Greg Olsen - Solid pass-catching TE who needs to improve his blocking. Pro-bowler? Maybe some day.
2 Dan Bazuin - out of the league
3 Garret Wolfe - special teams player
3 Michael Okwo - out of the league

2008
1 Chris "I come pre-injured" Williams - the guy couldn't make it through a full NON-CONTACT practice and you have him being your "favorite pick" and a future All-Pro? Wow ... that's special right there.
2 Matt Forte - good running back but not an all-pro. He's more like a Raymont Harris than he'll ever be a Neil Anderson.
3 Earl Bennet - He couldn't find the field playing on the worst receiving corp in the NFL and that's a good pick?

As for the guys you mentioned:
TE Kellen Davis - How is this guy going to be All-Pro?
CB Zachery Bowman (health is a major question but GREAT Talent) - He played one game and no matter how good it was he's an unknown at the very best!
SS Kevin Payne - Couldn't tackle me carrying Biggsy on my back and absoultely brutal in coverage.
CB Corey Graham - A good pickup in the 5th round who seems to be coming on strong.
DT Marcus Harrison - A good pick of a guy with 1st-round talent and "Do you want fries with that?" desire. If Harrison can find the motivation he could be really good ... or he could be the next Mark Anderson.

Angelo's drafts are horrendous and that is underscored by the alarming number of guys that Chicago uses HIGH DRAFT PICKS on who spend their career (all 0-3 years of it) in Chicago, get cut, and then are out of the league. Day one picks should be starters within 2 years not out of the damn league!

Well Da Church of Da Coach,

Our opinions will have to differ, but to me, you have always sounded like a very bitter person that just wants to be a hater. Your last post, just proves that.

I guess you would agree with me if I posted a bunch of negative stuff. I really do like Coach Marinelli and think he can do for our D-line what he did for the Bucs D-line when they won the SUPERBOWL.

As for the guys I mentioned, they WILL become ALL-PROS or be very close to it. I will remember to share this with you when it happens.

If you hate the Bears and what is going on at Halas Hall so much, then I would recommend you find a new team. Your anger has clouded your judgement. I think I posted something before about the fact that all 31 other teams have had many players they too have drafted on the first day which were cut.

Jay: "Our opinions will have to differ, but to me, you have always sounded like a very bitter person that just wants to be a hater. Your last post, just proves that."

Once again this is your often wrong opinion. My "opinion" was based on FACTS instead of pulling "future All-Pro" players out of my arse. Big difference. Look up Tyson Jackson's numbers ... Look at the draft picks Angelo has made over the last several years (or you can find the post I did or Creighton did of the colossal farkups). It's not an "opinion" when it is based on FACTS.

"I guess you would agree with me if I posted a bunch of negative stuff. I really do like Coach Marinelli and think he can do for our D-line what he did for the Bucs D-line when they won the SUPERBOWL."

Great, he was the Bucs d-line coach when they won the Super Bowl! He was also the coach when they went 6-10,7-9,8-8,9-7, and 5-11. That and a quarter will get you a cup of coffee. The year Rod Marinelli single-handedly won the Super Bowl (that no-name Gruden chump can get bent) his starting defensive line: Simeon Rice, Booger McFarland, and Warren Sapp ... all first-round, blue-chip talent. If you want to bring up his Super Bowl ring because going 10-38 (0-16 in 2008) in 3 years in Detroit really doesn't lend any wait to your opinion now does it?

"As for the guys I mentioned, they WILL become ALL-PROS or be very close to it. I will remember to share this with you when it happens."

Once again your OPINION not supported by FACT is grand. Can you at least explain how these guys will become All-Pro? Like we have Greg Olsen being All-Pro AND Kellen Davis ... so Chicago will have 2 All-Pro TEs??? Zack Bowman and Corey Graham will BOTH be All-Pro CBs? And of course Matt Forte will beat out guys like Adrian Peterson, Steven Jackson, Michael Turner, Deangelo Williams, Clinton Portis, Brandon Jacobs, Johnathan Stewart ... just to name a few? And finally Chris Williams? THE Chris Williams? The guy with a history of back injuries who couldn't make it through one non-contact practice will be All-Pro? That word you keep using it ... I don't think it means what you think it means.

"If you hate the Bears and what is going on at Halas Hall so much, then I would recommend you find a new team. Your anger has clouded your judgement."
Yes, I am EXTREMELY ANGRY RIGHT NOW!!! I can't judge things like I normally could because all I base my "opinion" on is - you know - FACTS. I mean I need to pull rainbows out of my arse and speculate on the sheer number of All-Pro prospects that the Great Angelo has drafted.

"I think I posted something before about the fact that all 31 other teams have had many players they too have drafted on the first day which were cut."
Please name them. My bet is those with the most are bottom-feeders in the league. Of course that would entail you doing actual fact-finding instead of just spouting off with nothing but your "opinion" to back it up so I won't hold my breath waiting on that list.

Da Church..you are a Da Jerk....NeckBeardSucks...you are a out of control but 100% correct...although they way you say it is wrong, you're point is on the nose, The Bears will go nowhere with Orton at QB!!!!....I wish you were GM!!!!!!!

Da Church of Da Insane,

My posts are my opinions, sure I don't know if the players I mentioned to be future All-Pros will actually make it to Hawaii, but you have your head so far up your ass you forget your commits are too just opinions. Your little describtions of the players I mentioned is pure speculation as well. I'm just going by the talent these players have, I'm sure you were one of the many fans out their that complainted about Hester when Mr. Angelo drafted him.

Fans like you always think you have the answer and could do the job better. Fans like you always read what you post and think its pure genius, but its not any better nor worse than anything else other "fans" are posting. You need to understand your not god and are definitely not any better than me or others that post here. You have a right to your own opinions as I do, but you need to remember to take your medication before posting here again.

Creighton, as my #1 stalk... oh I mean fan, you need to understand something, slow down when you read my post before critiquing me. This is like the 30th time you have misread one of my post, then gave your two cents about it. I didn't say anything about drafting a safety in the first, here's what I said:

Kevin said: "Theres a couple possibilities in Alabama's Rashad Johnson or Western Michigan's Louis Delmas, one of these guy's should be available for the Bears in THE 2ND ROUND!!!!!"

See, I broke it down for you so you could understand it better. What I meant was, I think the Bears would be better off signing a free agent tackle, and drafting a safety, again, I didn't say anything about drafting a safety in the first. Creighton, its hard to say right now who Angelo is gonna take in the first, Im gonna wait till free agency gets going to pick who I think the Bears are gonna go with. Right now tackle is the Bears number one need, as of right now, I say draft a tackle in the first, if a free agent tackle is signed, that the Bears see as a starter for awhile at right tackle, then you go with the best player available. If Angelo signs a free agent tackle to be the starter, I say the Bears use the #18 pick on either Missouri receiver Jeremy Maclin, or Mississippi defensive tackle Peria Jerry, depends on who is available, your guess is as good as mine, but please slow down when reading and critiquing my post as always GO BEARS!! and just for you Creighton GO ANGELO!!

Tripper,
You know, when your contributions include more than calling me "Da jerk" and fellating a guy who has no more cogent thought than repeatedly writing "Orton sucks" on the board like some kind of perpetual Simpson's intro reel ... then I'll take your criticism under advisement. Until then, why don't you go outside and play hide and go fark yourself?

Jay: "My posts are my opinions, sure I don't know if the players I mentioned to be future All-Pros will actually make it to Hawaii, but you have your head so far up your ass you forget your commits are too just opinions. Your little describtions of the players I mentioned is pure speculation as well. "

Hmmm ... like when I said Tyson Jackson is a run-stuffer and not a pass rusher? Yup just my opinion not backed up by his career numbers or scout evaluations or common sense ... nope.

Or maybe when I said Jerry Angelo drafts poorly and has too many first day busts ... nope that has to be my opinion because there is no way in heck you could ever look that one up ... nope, just opinion.

Or how about using common sense that tells me that Chicago will not have 2 All-Pro tight ends on the same offense? I mean it could happen let's look at all the NFL teams in history who have had that ...

"I'm just going by the talent these players have, I'm sure you were one of the many fans out their that complainted about Hester when Mr. Angelo drafted him."

And you know this how? Actually I complained when Angelo used a 2nd-round pick on a guy like Mark Bradley with two major knee injuries and very little collegiate experience at the WR position. I had actually seen Devin Hester play at Miami and knew quite a bit about him ... but of course your assumption is that I complained about the pick so of course you must be right? You know what they say about making assumptions right? It makes an arse out of you and Umption.

"Fans like you always think you have the answer and could do the job better. Fans like you always read what you post and think its pure genius, but its not any better nor worse than anything else other "fans" are posting."

Except "fans like you" ... who are now writing opinions about my opinions and FACTS while bring nothing to the table except uninformed opinion.

"You need to understand your not god and are definitely not any better than me or others that post here."

Wait just a second here! Let's be fair and honest ... I never said I was god! HAHAHAHAHAHA

"You have a right to your own opinions as I do, but you need to remember to take your medication before posting here again."

If you're going to plagiarize my insults could you at least footnote them?

Anyhoo, that's some great contributing you are doing. Maybe we could get you, Tripper, and NeckBeardSucks to form your own NFL Think Tank. Each week you guys could debate a key issue facing Chicago. I'll even get you started with a list of helpful topics:

Kyle Orton suckage: Hoover-esque or Gaping Black Hole - discuss

Jerry Angelo's Greatest Picks: Pre-Injured Chris Williams or Florida sprinter who never showed up to camp - discuss

Fact-based NFL Posts: For Losers, For Morons or both - discuss

Awesomest Bear Fans: Mouth-Breathers vs. Meatballs - discuss

Best DCODC Insulting Name: Da Jerk vs Da Church of the Insane vs Quit Making Me Sad I'm Telling Mom You're Not Better Than Me So There!!! - 3 enter, 1 leaves - discuss

Actually Kevin I was responding to this:
"In the end signing a free agent tackle would open a lot of things up for the Bears draft wise, and allow them to focus on other needs, like FS, WR, and the defensive line."

I was responding to this, so I didn't mis-read anything, but it was a nice try on your part to twist it. You don't say what round but because you have been talking about a first round tackle I asumed first round sense you were replacing the tackle with one of these three choices. Oh and Kevin I respond to everyone not just you. It just happens you are a draft junkie like myself and you post here a lot like myself. Oh and stop trying to ripoff my one liners. You stalker. Shame on you, there is only one guy on this board with a stalker and thats me. When I start bugging you on other web sites then you can lay claim to that. Call me a stalker, I am the guy that first planted Ebon Britton in your head now all I ever hear from you is gotta Draft Britton.

Here is an idea for you to play with Kevin. I know you like Orton and I know you like Bennett. But sense the Bears don't like Bennett enough to use him would you trade Earl Bennett last years third round pick for the Patriots third round pick last year. San Diego State QB Kevin O'Connel, the Pats liked him enough to draft him in the third round, for the Pats thats like a QB walking on water. He spent all last year as there number 2, he was the most athletic QB in last years class and has a cannon for an arm, plus he is 6'5 230 and spent the whole season being trained by the Pats QB factory. The Pats need a slot reciever and we need at least one more QB. The Pats can't afford to keep 3 stud QB's. Me I would pull the trigger, but what would you guys do?

Chi Williams was injured when drafted so that is on Angelo, as for draft picks, what has Graham done? Beekman is not that good in fact if you read an earlier post by Biggs and you read that article by Muli, you see the Bears used a 3 step drop all year to help nulify the pass rush and were unable to execute 5 or 7 step drops because Orton would wind up on his back. I'll also point out a 24th ranked rushing offense. Not that good for a running team. I pretty sure Forte was not the problem and Beekman graded out at the bottom of the line. As for draft picks Da Coach already spoke for me. As for injury problems, Angelo is not drafting guys who get hurt on the Bears, he is drafting guys with known injury issues and then they are getting hurt again. Harris, Bowman, Williams, having guys start on a team doesn't mean anything if the team is not good and they suck. Like I said he has not drafted a Pro Bowler in 5 years. Also building a line like he did in 2004-2006 via declining free agents is expensive, and only lasts a couple years, proof are the lines from 2007 to now. Again as for Angelo and drafting, I do not need to point out his past over and over, but every sports writer in this town including Biggs has nailed him on it. The Bears have tons of holes because of bad drafting. I didn't forget Hester. A 500 yard reciever, be still my heart.

Oh and as for the list I put up for team needs. That is not my list or what round I would take them in. That is a list of depth and lack of talent. I called this team last year before the draft and I was right. I named every weak spot on the team and I was right. I also said Williams wouldn't start this year because of his back and I was right. I said the Defense would be bad and it was, I said WR would be a huge probelm and so would QB and the line. After the Panther game I was the guy that pointed out they were weak in the middle and teams would start running slants on them to counter that 4-3-4 Stack they were running.

Some guys have been making claims like Kevin said Williams will be an All Pro in his first year and that the Bears were going to win the Super Bowl in 08. Nothing wrong with being positive mind you. But I just look at the players and the talent and the system and I am not blown away. As a Bear fan I would like to be blow away by talent. If any of you claim the talent the system and the coaching blows you away, you got issues.

Chi you are trying to say Angelo has drafted well but in the second weakest division in football the Bears with only a few injuries couldn't make the Playoff's and controled there own fate. Now either there are a lot of good player's and the coaching is bad or there are a lot of average players and the coaching is bad. Either way it is not a good team. They have no core players they can rely on. The Best guy you can name is a Kick Returner who got moved to WR and is average to below average there.

The Bears secondary was among the worst in the league Yet you list Payne, Graham and Tillman, you also say Brown when healthy is good. By the way Angelo didn't draft Brown. You name the four starters in the secondary and say there all good yet they were one of the worst secondaries in the NFL. You talk about the talent on the line, like Mark Anderson. Who has had 5 sacks in 2 years, one year he was a starter and got benched for Brown. He was a one hit wonder. The Bears were the second most Blitz happy team in the NFL and couldn't generate a pass rush. If they have all this talent and all this coaching why are they not one of the best teams? They did not deal with many injuries. Angelo can draft kick returners all day, but maybe that is Taub, more than it is the talent, sense everyone the Bears put back there seems to excell. If Orton is so great and Hester is so great and Forte is so great and the line is so great and the coaching is so great. Why is the offense so bad? Why is the defense so bad. Special team was the lone bright spot last year. If not for there big plays and field position the Bears don't win many games.

I hope Taub gets a shot at being head coach after Lovie is fired. Which he will be along with Angelo. This team is not getting better it is getting worse.

Anyway this is really the last I want to talk about Angelo and his drafting and and Lovie and all that other garbage. The combine is here and I would rather talk prospects the draft and trades. So why don't we all just agree to disagree. Cause even I know nothing is going to change till after next season. Just keep in mind I called year and was right and I will call this year too.

For all youse guys that think it's all Orton's fault, how about all the other QB's that failed in Chicago? were they like related to Kyle? or could it possibly be !gasp! the other members of the offense? All those great ProBowlers at the other offense positions? The ones that Jerry drafted and we all were so happy with? The great Tackles/Guards/Running Backs/WR - doh! none of them were ProBowlers huh?

Creighton, don't be stupid, your taking one part of my blog and saying "this is what I was answering." You basically admitted to my whole point I was trying to make to you, READ MY WHOLE BLOG BEFORE CRITIQUING ME!!!! Im twisting things around, your the one taking one part of my blog, and trying to say I said something I didn't, look in the mirror there buddy about twisting $hit around.

Also Creighton, get off this I put Britton in your head $hit, you act like you recruited the kid out of high school or something, theres only so many tackle prospects out there, so what if we actually agree on one for once?????

Creighton, I would not trade Bennett for O'Connel, Bennett is going to be a pretty good receiver for the Bears, we don't need O'Connell, we got Orton.

Lastly Creighton, I never once said Chris Williams was going to be an all-pro in his rookie season, but he could be one within the next couple seasons. And Creighton, get real their buddy, it doesn't matter who the Bears had or what scheme they had, you would crybaby on the Bears no matter what till there perfect, which isn't ever gonna happen, no team has ever been perfect like you would like them to be. I say support the current players and scheme, the heck with being a fair weather fan and only rooting for the team when their awesome, why be a hypocrite, bash the Bears like your a Packers fan, then root for them on sunday, not gonna do it buddy GO BEARS!!

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