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A Chicago lawyer has facetiously suggested in private conversations that the government should build concentration camps to house sex offenders who have completed their prison sentences.

His thinking: As more and more residential locations are ruled off limits to sex offenders, concentration camps would at least provide them with housing. In some areas, sex offenders - homeless because they can't find a legal place to live - already gather in unofficial (and unauthorized) camps.

Governments at various levels have gradually been narrowing the areas where sex offenders may live. Now, Congress is poised to further complicate housing for sex offenders.

On June 10, the U.S. House voted 420 to 10 in favor of an amendment sponsored by Rep. Chet Edwards (D-Texas) that would bar those guilty of sex of a sex offense against a minor from obtaining mortgages through the Federal Housing Administration. (A similar ban already is in effect for Section 8 subsidized housing.)

The argument in favor: Why should taxpayers help subsidize sex offenders?.

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Welcome to the new brave world: Nazi style US democracy.
last year we had 705,000 sex offenders in USA. This group is growing fast, about 6% a year. Now we may have 755,000, next year 800,000.
You think you will continue stupid joking, think again.
This is real problem. No country in the world have Megan Law.
Think why. Nobody wants to be named Nazi style state.
Americans are very selfish, know everything of course.
Good luck with concentration camps.
Usually people who passed concentration camps laws got there first.

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All experts in corrections know that one of the most important factors in preventing recidivism is stable housing. It seems that politicians and many in the public do everything they can to prevent former offenders from having stable housing. They would rather score political points even if it means making communities less safe.

I am glad that lawyer was being facetious!

Why should FORMER sex offenders be the only ones restricted from FHA loans? FORMER sex offenders are FAR less likely to offend again, than any other class of felon (Dept of Justice Statistics). We don't restrict former murderers, or former heroine addicts, or even former CHILD ABUSERS, from FHA loans. Those people serve their time, and get a chance to set their lives on a better path. Why not FORMER sex offenders?

Sex offender hysteria in this country is totally out of control!

They should be placed in concentration camps or never be allowed out of jail. If they wanted to live with the rest of the society they should of thought about that before committing the crime. Why should these people live among us if they are obviously violent people!

Well I guess the question could be asked "Why subsidize housing for anyone?" But if we are going to subsidize anyone then what is with this blatant "profiling" of sex offenders. Once a person has paid for his crime why knock him down when he is trying to get his life back on track...why penalize his wife and his kids and his grand kids?

MOM: You obviously know very little about this subject. Not all Sex Offenders are child rapists, predators or molesters.

If you have a daughter that sends nude pictures of herself to her boyfriend, she is considered a sex offender (producer, distributor and possessor of kiddie porn)

If you have a son that is 18, 19, 20 or up that has sex with his 16 or 17 year old girlfriend, under the law about statutory rape he is now a 'rapist' even if it was consensual between him and his girlfriend and despite him not hurting her, statutory rape is considered 'violent' by the scum ball lawyers.

Getting drunk and urinating in public is a sex offense, especially if the 'victim' is a man-hating, shadow-jumping feminist

Having sex with your man at a park in your car and getting caught? You are now a sex offender.

The problem is regular people are being put on a worthless registry next to the scum of society and being judged as no better than the worst on the list.

And the concentration camps will cost money, and not really generate any revenue. As a result of spending more than what it is earning, taxes will be necessary to maintain the camps and provide for the residents. This of course means that the costs will be high and then you will whine and moan about high taxes and the Worst Type Sex Offender of all will promise to cut taxes if you vote for them. When elected, the Worst Type Sex Offender who has whored for your vote will then cut taxes, meaning that there is fewer money, offenders will be released resulting in a few bad apples released, committing a serious crime starting the cycle again with you complaining why this happened leading to more 'tough on sex offender' BS. To discover what will happen, start at the beginning of this paragraph and repeat.

I do agree with MOM on the fact that they should have thought about there actions.But at the same time say you get drunk you get caught pissing in public then boom your an offender.I think they should really look at the seriousness of the crime.I Mean pissing in public is totally different from rape.The camps should be for the more serious offenders

I can't believe we are even discussing this in -what used to be- a free, democratic nation??!! Remember the Japanese concentration camps during WWII? Do you think any politician is saying, "Wow, I'm glad we thought of that prison camp thing. That really saved our nation a lot of trouble." Do you? Then there was the whole cold-war McCarythism: find and destroy all the Communists. Yeah, I'll let you know the minute I find one hiding under my bed. Don't we ever learn?

"Children" that lose their virginity later are more likely to experience sexual dysfunction. Those who wait until 21 or later have a high likelihood of experiencing sexual problems. The study that demonstrated this was in the American Journal of Public Health (January 2008 issue).

Having a high age of consent laws increases the danger to young teens. The Canadian AIDS Society has said, “Increasing the age of consent could result in young people being more secretive about their sexual practices and not seeking out the information they need. This will place youth at an increased risk of contracting HIV and other sexually transmitted infections.”

“Under aged” individuals are deprived of sexual relations. Why is 16 old enough to drive but not old enough to enjoy one of Gods most precious gifts?

America has become a fascist police state.

That makes no sense whatsoever. We incarcerate, rehabilitate, then make it next to impossible for them to get homes, jobs or any kind of stable life. It is getting to the point where I don't let my kids out of my reach or sight, and trust no one. Including our idiotic government and elected officials. This is about the stupidest thing I have heard.

I used to think the worst makers of sex offender laws were Republicans but Democrats have quickly come up the ranks, and now the battle is with the senseless hate laws (that is what they are) placed against anyone given a sex offender label by both Democrats, Republicans, and other political mush heads.

Even though it is well known without any doubt that all people having that label are not pedophiles, child molesters, child rapists, or sexual predators, the public, and legislators continue to give to the term "sex offender" those labels.

Now, it is only when some of these senseless people have the label themselves, or someone they love has the label or is about to get it, does it all make sense that the term "sex offender" has been highly abused and misused.

I would love for someone to publish the actual bill, and more info.. where I can download the bill.. to publish on our site... Great Reporting...

If anyone who is here reading is being abused by these laws, please come tell your story.. so we can get the laws changed
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I must ask, as per the comment about taxpayers having to support sex offenders..
Well, why do taxpayers have to support the cost related to 18 THOUSANDS of alcohol related deaths each year?
Why do we make government officials beyond lawsuit for negligent behaviors in lawmaking?
If a law harms thousands of people collaterally, innocent little children banished from society, from their peers at school simply due to the media frenzy create hype and stigma of being a child of an ex sex offender....
18,000 DEATHS OF INNOCENT PEOPLE DUE TO ALCOHOL RELATED ACCIDENTS.
WHY IS ALCOHOL LEGAL?
Why are there no alcohol registries?
How about the thousands of murders of innocent little late term babies, dissected using doctor tools to break and tear apart the little arms, legs and in the end, cut off the head.. all pulled out from the woman's body... screaming at first while they tear off the arms... then with the head comes peace... Those silent screams,

These politicians are not all over the media creating laws to protect society from the 18 thousand deaths which will predictably occur this year from Alcohol being legal...They are not protecting all those little babies who are murdered by Doctors...But these politicians have time to run about pushing laws on SEXUAL MATTERS. Does anyone besides me find something quite ODD ABOUT ALL THIS SEX OFFENDER ATTENTION when 1his year 18,000 men, women and children will die needlessly due to SOFT ON ALCOHOL legislation in America Dave Smith, Citizens for Change, America

I hope this is for the most serious of sex offenders, and not the 18 year old caught with his 16 year old girlfriend.

I personally think adult sex offenders of children should be shot on site, but unfortunately it is Unconstititional.

That is a stretch restricting them from loans, and is probably a violation of their Constitional rights.

The only way it seems to be Constititional is if they are not allowed into residential areas, WHILE on parole or probation. Once their time is served, they paid their dues to society.

However, it is kind of a cool idea to let them all live near each other, sexually offend each other, and let the sharks swim with the sharks.

NOT ALL SEX OFFENDERS ARE PEDOPHILES AND RAPISTS.

Let me repeat that for those of you hard of thinking.

NOT ALL SEX OFFENDERS ARE PEDOPHILES AND RAPISTS.

MOST sex offenders are not dangerous. There has been study after study after study. California and Georgia both just completed independent studies. They both had the same results. Less than 5% were dangerous. That number, interestingly, matches what the Department of Justice publishes.

So if 95% of the people are not dangerous, wouldn't it make more sense to take off those 95%, and focus on the 5%?

While that might make sense, politicians are actually finding ways to add MORE people to the registry, not less. And they are taking MORE rights away.

As soon as we get before Supreme Court with a non violent case, SORNA will come down. And you can thank your local politicians for passing THESE type of laws that will bring SORNA down.

If you think this only applies to hardened pedophiles, you probably still believe in the Easter Bunny.

These laws are being applied to 1000s of Americans who NEVER HURT ANYONE. There are actually more 'victimless' laws on SORNA, then there are 'victim' laws.

All it takes is for someone to send you some bad porn, and you are on this for life. You think everyone convicted of child porn is a pedophile? Well, that would be because you think the justice system is fair. Go to Center for Missing and Exploited Children. They will tell you right there, that they know for a fact people who are not pedophiles are getting busted for child porn because they are careless. Yet these same people, who Center for Missing and Exploited Children says are not pedophiles, still lose all their civil rights.

This whole craze has gotten so far out of control it is no longer about justice, child protection, safety, or anything.

If you think this is about child safety, you probably supported the witch trials in a past life. This is NOTHING to do with safety. This is pure and simple political pandering at its worst. This is human rights violations that would rival anything North Korea, or Iran has ever considered.

Pedophiles are the minority in the group being affected by laws like this.

With 18 thousand deaths each year in America due to Alcohol
With countless babies murdered each year due to Legalized Murder, called Abortion
Here we have one group of people singled out for banishment, anyone who is labeled a Sex Offender.
Just one incident of what a sex offender is:
My daughter's boyfriend had sex with a girl he thought was 17 when he was 19. It turned out that she was 14.

As soon as he found out her true age, there was no more contact with her.

She didn't say anything for 3 months and then when someone else was going to go to her mom she told her. Her mom went to the police.

This girl had things written on her books that she loved this boy, she admitted she lied to him about her age and they still charged him with unlawful sexual conduct with a minor.

He is serving 6 months incarceration.

When he gets out, he will have to register for 25 years as a sex offender, a child molester.

He will have to report to the grand jury room every Halloween so he isn't a danger to children out trick or treating.

Also when he has children he won't be able to go trick-or-treating with them.

He will not be able to:

Go to city, state or national parks. No fishing, swimming, swinging or playing frisbee in grassy fields, not in government parks. His children will suffer under these laws.
Attend many churches as once it gets out he is on the registry as a child molester, no church will accept him as too most states are or are in the process of disallowing anyone who falls under SORNA from attending church where children attend.
Get a job, nobody will hire a person on the registry as child molester.
Get an apartment..same thing, nobody will rent to a person convicted under SORNA
Get federal money to help purchase a new home
Get Grant Money
Live in a great number of places in any city or county as residency restrictions prevent a person from living in a lot of places.
Work in a lot of professions
Join any military service
Own an gun, no hunting with his kids, no protection in the home in case of violent threat from a criminal
Go to his kids sporting events, no matter, his children will probably not be in sports as children of ex sex offenders typically are shunned, friendless once the parent is on the public registry...
Have friends, once a family member is on the registry, they become detached from society.. no friends, no close relationships with neighbors, classmates and locals.
Own or Run a successful business.
The list is so long, so huge.. I fear I will bore you with details.

It is so unfair.

For lying to the boy about her age and willingly having sex with the boy, the girl was viewed as totally innocent in the whole matter.

She goes about her life to this day unblemished by the horror which the boy now is living.

She is carefree and fancy free.We are appealing because his public defender was a piece of crap who did nothing for him and he thought he was going to plead guilty to a misdemeanor and then they pulled the rug out from underneath him. Nothing about this is right.

I am sorry but I am not afraid to live next to a kid that had sex with another teenager that looked older than him by the way..

The laws really need to change!

These are those who are labeled SEX OFFENDERS
Do you really want to lock these people away in a concentration camp? Link to this article: http://bit.ly/c7CrxW

The broad definition of the term "sex offender" has devastated many individuals who are guilty of no more than a one time lapse of good judgment. Contrary to popular belief, many so-called "sex offenders" are of no risk to the communities in which they live and work.

Countless history lessons, throughout our educational years, have focused on a group of individuals to persecute. They have included, but are not limited to, Lepers, Christians, Hebrews, Jews, Blacks – both in the form of slavery and as a segregated group in the 1950’s, American Indians, etc. Let’s not forget the so-called Witches of Salem. Laws were cast upon them that were unfounded and absurd today. In the 2000’s where we have much more technology and we’re ‘smarter’, we have begun the persecution of sex offenders.

Research the facts. Educate yourselves. The laws, as currently structured, have created an over-blown registry that will continue to grow out of control. It is time for fact-based laws that will benefit society as well as the offender.

This is insane. The hysteria continues. Out of control witch hunt that will not end sex offenses.

When you look at the registry today, it is so overblown with 1000's that are not a threat to anyone, how can you even tell who a danger is anymore?

I see too many 18/19 year olds on the registry with 15/16 year old "victims". 18/19 year olds that are homeless, when I'm sure many of these were consensual relationships.

I am appalled that a 15/16 year old can't consent to sex, but is "mature" enough to keep her baby if she gets pregnant, have an abortion in many states without parental permission, get birth control without parental permission and the 18/19 year old boyfriend becomes a sex offender!

If parents approve of their younger daughter going out with an older boyfriend, who gives the government the right to say it is wrong???? Too many of our rights as citizens are being taken away and I can't believe how much of the public is blind to this! People better educate themselves about who can become a sex offender before they find themselves or a loved one caught up in this hysteria!

It's time for the general public to WAKE UP!! Most of the people on the "sex offender" list have never done anything to a child. My terrible crime was to have an email of a naked little girl sent to my inbox - without knowing what the email was to be (Thank you, Yahoo! Groups!). I'm gay! I didn't want any picture of a little girl (or any other kid) in my inbox. How many other people has something like this happened to? How many are on this famous registry for having sex with an underage girlfriend/boyfriend?

Everybody better wake up before these self-righteous congressmen, trying to get re-elected, implement laws that have "sex offenders" totally isolated from society. You all know what happens when you start putting people against the wall? Orderly (or disorderly) disobedience and a lot of social turmoil. This is becoming a civil rights issue.

Why should taxpayers help subsidize sex offenders?

1) Because we do not get to pick & choose where our tax money goes. Only one class of felons has been singled out as being undeserving of FHA loans -- sex offenders who committed crimes against children. Why not murderers, "gang bangers," or drug dealers? Do you think most Americans would readily subsidize an FHA loan for someone who has committed a murder against a minor or someone who repeatedly sells drugs to kids?

2) Due to restrictions & the stigma attached to their crimes it is already more difficult, and in some cases virtually impossible, for RSOs to get decent-paying jobs & opportunities for decent housing situations. If any group of people is in need FHA loans, it's RSOs. The idea of concentration camps being needed because RSOs have no place to live is ludicrous. Giving RSOs the same opportunity to freely live where they want would solve that issue.

3) This is yet another form of punishing ex-SOs beyond the terms of their sentences. These laws make it that much more difficult for former SOs to buy a home of their own. Stable, decent housing is an important factor in reducing the recidivism rate. Eliminating options for affordable housing increases the risk of re-offending, exactly what our lawmakers say they are aiming to prevent.

4) For every law passed that imposes restrictions on a former SO, that person's family is adversely affected. If a parent is unable to find a home, the family suffers. This damages not only the SO but their spouses & especially their children. Out of the 700,000+ RSOs in our country, many have families who depend on them. Are their children not worthy of stable housing?

Before blindly following the hype about SOs & being willing to banish them from just about all aspects of society, first do some research. Many SOs are decent people just trying to get on with their lives and provide for their families.

America is notorious for mistreating others out of fear. In Georgia, we hung the Jewish Leo Frank after he was falsely accused of raping a coworker.

We killed blacks and forbid them to live in our communities.

We forced American-Japanese into concentration camps during WWII.

We dropped bombs on a group of citizens in California because we feared they were too militant.

We poisoned the Indians with alcohol and tobacco and pushed them into rural camps.

In CT, we fear the Italians may have lineage to the mafia back in Italy so many of them aren't able to work with the government.

So if you think that we don't have concentration camps for Registered Sex Offenders, then you are WRONG and ignorant. Look at the Sex Offender Map in Chicago and you will see that Chicago's most dangerous and poorest communities have the highest concentration of Registered Sex Offenders. Type in the zip codes 60621 Englewood or 60617 Roseland communities and you will see that Concentration Camps already exist. Is this coincidental? I don't think so...

More people just need to realize that the registry, as it is currently structured, is like a big fishing net capturing more than intended. To believe that each individual's labeling is 100% correct is to believe that the government can ever be 100% correct. Hundreds of people have been exonerated from death row. Thus the assumption that the government doesn't make serious mistakes is invalid. If they can make a mistake with someone's life, I think it's plausible enough to assume that mistakes are made with the registry, but with all the fear that comes with these people it makes us lump them into the worst case scenario offender and justify not doing the right thing in having a review and appeal process (a violation of constitutional due process). If we mandate anyone to do anything we need to continuously review our decisions and allow the mandated to appeal our decisions. If we don't care about the liberty of others then we really don't care about liberty at all.

I don't have the time right now to include all the links to my claims, but you can look them up. They are readily available on the internet.

Recidivism for sex offenders is the second lowest of all crimes at 5.3 percent. It's a fact.

Sex Offenses (the real ones not Romeo Juliet or tree pissers) have been on the DECLINE since the mid 90's and continues to do so. The increase you see in sex crimes are not real sex crimes. You can look that up on the internet too.

Rehabilitation works! For those sex offenders who complete therapy, there is a 93 percent success rate. That is available info that you can get from any psychology group. If they don't have it available when you call, they can get it. It's being widely disseminated.

Everything I have just pointed out is for what is known as the Level III's (the worst of the worst so society says). Yes....that's right. You have been lied to by the POLITICIAN's and the media.

Leave the diagnosis to the professional's if you want your streets to become safe again. The other thing you need to do to protect your family is to VOTE OUT those politician's who keep up the practice of sex offender hatred and bashing. They will come for YOU next. Trust me at this. I know!!!

Why we don't just shoot them, and then there would be no need for such a stupid conversation. Unless you have lived in their shoes you have no right to make judgement-we keep making up new laws, new laws, new laws, we have become Nazi Germany-yet the Department of Justice statistics show that this group is the least to commit a second offense. So unless you know the laws and what they continue to do to these people-SHUT UP-we need to change some of these laws, because not everyone convicted of a sex offense is a sex offender.

How the Illinois Sex Offender Registry has been destroyed by Politicans and the Media

; my name is Mark Perk i saw a DR Phil show on march 17, 2010 about the horrendous case of a small child raped by someone who was on the sex offender registry and the extensive damage he inflicted on the family and the whole tragic issue of sexual predators.

I am on the sex offender registry for having a consensual relationship with my now wife, in 1998.We now have two beautiful children.There is an answer to the question ",why cant the police watch these guys and prevent future horrors."?
The answer is not what people want to hear as this subject is driven by hysteria and knee jerk legislation to appease a roman colliseum, mob type mentality.

There are thousands and thousands of consensual,statutory cases on the sex offender registry in each state,Plus juvenille cases(19 year olds with 15 year olds) ,public nudity,exposure,prostitution,indecent behavior,public peeing etc.

There simply are not enough police to monitor all these cases. Because the states wont interject rick assessment hearings, all sex offender registrants are lumped together and there simply isnt enough police power to monitor all registrants,nor should they.!!!!!!!!
I have been on television numerous times on this subject. I know what i did is socially taboo and illegal, yet i am not a threat to children or women.To put me next to a child rapist on this list, is like putting a casual marijuanna smoker ,caught with a bag, in the same arena s a meth lab gangster!!!!!!!.

List of police time waisted on my case:
:ive been on this list for 11 plus years,ive had 100 plus probation appointments,40 plus home checks,done over 17 police station check ins,police monitoring our home frequently,pulled over (with my wife,both of us in cuffs)11 plus times etc.Stickers on our home on Halloween,lost 6 jobs,various acts of vigilantism etc.

We have had DCFS called on us 3 times by an anonynous neighbor because im on the list and have had numerous threatening calls to our home. Addittionally we have had to call the Crestwood Police and bother them numerous times because of suspicious cars in front of our home, snapping pictures,gawking etc.All this police time for one consensual case ,AND WE ARE MARRIED .!!!!
( We were married by the same judge who gave me the original misdimeanor,who did not consider me a threat!!! He later helped seal our case to "protect this family and the children" )

If the public is wondering why law enforcement cant even stop violent registered offenders from re-offending,the answer is that these predators are like a pin hiding in a haystack.The haystack is thousands of non violent cases like mine, that would be removed immediately if risk assessment was employed.

No media figure has the courage to tell it straight: time to weed out the predators from the registrants who simply broke the law. Then the police can triple their time up on monitoring violent offenders.( Its not the police who make these laws its the congressional and Governor wannabes,who want to appear to look "tough on crime.",yet have no clue of the ramifications of their legilation on families nor care.)

Its always the same pattern, the media likes to cry wolf,get the public excited (for sensationalism)and then the lawmakers legislate an already blotted system ,while the real predators know this and use it in their hunting techniques as camoflague.
my name is Mark Perk, l Google in" Lets seperate the Misguided from the monsters" Eric Zorn ,Chicago tribune. This is our story.

our daughter is 4 years old,ironically I am as scared as anyone of true sexual predators. The story of any young child raped is heart breaking ,frightening yet tragically will happen time and time again. No one has the courage to seperate the wheat from the chaff.or the "misguided from the monsters". Mark and Krissy Perk

once sex offenders have done the time QUIT Punishing Them for the crime. My husband will come out of prison a Sex Offender simply because an ex-girlfriend cried wolf and they DIDNT doublecheck her lies to realize there wasnt a shred of truth to them.
We couldnt afford a decent lawyer, so a Vietnam Vet awarded two Purple Hearts sitting in prison and will end up on the Sex Offender Registry for something he DID NOT do.
Concentration camps for SO's??!! this country's sinking to a new whole new level of LOW. So sad to see freedoms that were so hard won taken away by just the stroke of a pen.

The camps they had for the Japanese are still there. The government has them all over the United States and they are empty of course but still they are alive and doing well. So this is not to far fetched of an idea. Not saying its a good idea it just could happen faster then people think. But why would we go back to an idea that didn't work then and cost the government tons in retribution for the families they imprisoned back then. Personally I hope someone challenges the FHA law. This is purely hateful and really has no purpose in a qualifier for a home loan. That would be like saying we will give one to anyone but green people. Why green well we don't like green so why would we. Fact is as the list grows everyday. Fewer people will ever be able to make use of a FHA loan. So is this a good thing? Maybe as just to make it harder for someone and impossible for others cuts down on the number of loans out. Not sure that is a good thing or a bad thing but it comes down to money and really that's all they are interested in anyway. An ex offender can still buy a home. I know I did it. Several times and the FHA loan that you had to pay extra for in the long run was not that good of a deal. You have to pay for the FHA insurance every month to get a little lower rate. So is it that big a deal? They make it sound like it is but really in the long run if you can afford to buy a home you can find a way. Its just a hateful way to get a law passed. If you add some penalty for being an ex sex offender to any law they eat it up. Good way for politicians to get their agenda. Maybe at some point the people of this nation will sees what they are doing. Its only a way to work things to get laws passed that might not get an over whelming vote to do so. I would think many more laws will be passed that are bundled with other things and also this is bad for sex offenders and they will vote in favor of them as not one politician has the guts not to in an election year.

Those who think all these people deserve to be punished the rest of their lives are just ignorant. My fiance was just registered as a sex offender. He committed no crime; rather, his relatives were just angry because he got the real criminal in his family in trouble several years back. The result? He had to take a plea deal to save himself a lifetime in jail for a crime he never committed. One moment, we were happy and free, but as soon as we signed paperwork meant to "help" him be free from jail, we can no longer even walk in a park together. What kind of life for us is this? The soon the U. S. shapes up and stops being so ignorant, the better. Why are things better even for murderers than sex offenders? If a person's probation/prison is over, let that be that. Half the people at least on these lists are probably innocent, just like my fiance.

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